Re: Flight Simulator now being used by flight instructors

[John T]

"ArtP" > wrote in message

>
> It is very useful for maintaining proficiency as opposed to currency.

I would agree only as far as IFR instrument scan and procedures.

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John T
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[ArtP]

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:27:49 GMT, "John T" > wrote:

>"ArtP" > wrote in message

>>
>> It is very useful for maintaining proficiency as opposed to currency.
>
>I would agree only as far as IFR instrument scan and procedures.

That is pretty much what keeps you alive in IMC.

[John Clonts]

S Herman > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "kallijaa" > wrote:
> >
> > Simming can be a lot of fun and it is an engrossing hobby. It can
provide
> > simulated flight experience to those who cannot participate in the real
> > thing, but for non-flyers it can hinder or even destroy any chances they
> > might have at success in subsequent flying training. If you want to
learn
> > to fly in the real world, put the toy away.
> >
> > Kalijaa
>
> I don't know that it will permanently damage anyone, BUT - I am a new
> student (~12 hours). My instructor told me to stop using the flight sim
> when I mentioned i had been a fan of them for years. i dont have the
> time now any way!
>
> Since the panel ususally fills most of the screen on the sim, your main
> clues are the instruments. So, i will agree that it appears that my
> penchant for observing the instruments is not helping me learn the
> visual and physical clues for performing the basic manuevers. Most of
> the manuevers for the PTS seem to be much harder to execute by
> instrument!
>
> And of course, i have to add that my real flying has inmproved my flight
> simming greatly! :-) just kidding!

Same here. My experience with flight simulators around 1983 was a major
factor in deciding to get my PPL. I was rarely able to land the sim
successfully until after I learned to land the real plane!

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

[flightsimcfi]

look folks, I am a CFI, and I am a flight sim guy.

Learning to fly involves learning a huge volume of information. A
flight simulator, when properly used, can help a student to learn some
of this information.

I encourage my students to try things in the simulator, to practice
lessons, to practice procedures, to fly cross countries. The ones that
do this end up saving time and money in the real plane.

The simulator in your PC is not exactly the same as the real plane. But
neither is chair flying, or reading a book about flying, or watching a
King Schools video. MS flight simulator is a training tool, nothing
more, nothing less.

I saved tons of time and money because I flew flight simulators when
growing up (back in the Apple ][e days). I know it works, I also know I
learned bad habits, but when I started to learn to fly the real thing, I
quickly learned what transferred directly from simming and what didn't,
thanks to my CFI.

For those of you that want more out the window view and less panel, try
seeing what the "W" key does. Also the +/- keys for zooming.

For those of you that want to fly their cross countries more quickly in
the simulator, accelerate time, or use the "Y" key to activate Slew mode
so you can move the plane around instead of flying it around. This is a
nice way to view the scenery.

Please also consider hitting "Shift-Backspace" and "Shift-Enter" to
raise and lower your seat when in the cockpit.

For you CFI's who worry that your students will build bad habits.....
you are right. Pilots build bad habits when they fly simulators, but
they also build bad habits when they fly real airplanes. Pilots learn
bad habits when they read newsgroup articles, and they learn bad habits
when they read magazines about flying.

The only way to avoid bad habits is to teach them early on to never stop
learning, and to never stop being vigiliant of their own habits and
behaviors.

I also tell students to get a yoke, and if they can afford it, rudder
pedals.

[kallijaa]

"flightsimcfi" > wrote in message
news:gLimb.19722$Fm2.9676@attbi_s04...
>
> look folks, I am a CFI, and I am a flight sim guy.
>
> Learning to fly involves learning a huge volume of information. A
> flight simulator, when properly used, can help a student to learn some
> of this information.
>
> I encourage my students to try things in the simulator, to practice
> lessons, to practice procedures, to fly cross countries. The ones that
> do this end up saving time and money in the real plane.
>
> The simulator in your PC is not exactly the same as the real plane. But
> neither is chair flying, or reading a book about flying, or watching a
> King Schools video. MS flight simulator is a training tool, nothing
> more, nothing less.
>
> I saved tons of time and money because I flew flight simulators when
> growing up (back in the Apple ][e days). I know it works, I also know I
> learned bad habits, but when I started to learn to fly the real thing, I
> quickly learned what transferred directly from simming and what didn't,
> thanks to my CFI.
>
> For those of you that want more out the window view and less panel, try
> seeing what the "W" key does. Also the +/- keys for zooming.
>
> For those of you that want to fly their cross countries more quickly in
> the simulator, accelerate time, or use the "Y" key to activate Slew mode
> so you can move the plane around instead of flying it around. This is a
> nice way to view the scenery.
>
> Please also consider hitting "Shift-Backspace" and "Shift-Enter" to
> raise and lower your seat when in the cockpit.
>
> For you CFI's who worry that your students will build bad habits.....
> you are right. Pilots build bad habits when they fly simulators, but
> they also build bad habits when they fly real airplanes. Pilots learn
> bad habits when they read newsgroup articles, and they learn bad habits
> when they read magazines about flying.
>
> The only way to avoid bad habits is to teach them early on to never stop
> learning, and to never stop being vigiliant of their own habits and
> behaviors.
>
> I also tell students to get a yoke, and if they can afford it, rudder
> pedals.

I agree in some parts, disagree in others. There's room for that. As a
CFI, you have to deal with the current pool of flying students as they
evolve. When they become CFIs the process will be complete. Good or bad?

[Ed Forsythe]

I agree completely with all except "yoke" <bg>. I hate yokes, love sticks
but I am a relic from the past - IP F-86, F-100s
--
Happy Flying,
Ed
"flightsimcfi" > wrote in message
news:gLimb.19722$Fm2.9676@attbi_s04...
>
> look folks, I am a CFI, and I am a flight sim guy.
>
> Learning to fly involves learning a huge volume of information. A
> flight simulator, when properly used, can help a student to learn some
> of this information.
>
> I encourage my students to try things in the simulator, to practice
> lessons, to practice procedures, to fly cross countries. The ones that
> do this end up saving time and money in the real plane.
>
> The simulator in your PC is not exactly the same as the real plane. But
> neither is chair flying, or reading a book about flying, or watching a
> King Schools video. MS flight simulator is a training tool, nothing
> more, nothing less.
>
> I saved tons of time and money because I flew flight simulators when
> growing up (back in the Apple ][e days). I know it works, I also know I
> learned bad habits, but when I started to learn to fly the real thing, I
> quickly learned what transferred directly from simming and what didn't,
> thanks to my CFI.
>
> For those of you that want more out the window view and less panel, try
> seeing what the "W" key does. Also the +/- keys for zooming.
>
> For those of you that want to fly their cross countries more quickly in
> the simulator, accelerate time, or use the "Y" key to activate Slew mode
> so you can move the plane around instead of flying it around. This is a
> nice way to view the scenery.
>
> Please also consider hitting "Shift-Backspace" and "Shift-Enter" to
> raise and lower your seat when in the cockpit.
>
> For you CFI's who worry that your students will build bad habits.....
> you are right. Pilots build bad habits when they fly simulators, but
> they also build bad habits when they fly real airplanes. Pilots learn
> bad habits when they read newsgroup articles, and they learn bad habits
> when they read magazines about flying.
>
> The only way to avoid bad habits is to teach them early on to never stop
> learning, and to never stop being vigiliant of their own habits and
> behaviors.
>
> I also tell students to get a yoke, and if they can afford it, rudder
> pedals.

[Quilljar]

Ed Forsythe wrote:
> I agree completely with all except "yoke" <bg>. I hate yokes, love
> sticks but I am a relic from the past - IP F-86, F-100s


I agree, IRL I won't fly a plane with a yoke if I can help it. They turn a
flying experience in to some sort of limosine; Yuck!



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