New Piper Aircraft Designations

[EDR]

A Cherokee Six is a PA32-300
A Piper Lance is a PA32-300R (?)
A Piper Turbo Lance is a PA32T-300R or a PA32R-300T (?)
A Piper Saratoga fixed gear is a PA32-301 (?)
A Piper Saratoga retract is a PA32-301R or a PA32R-301 (?)
A Piper Turbo Saratoga is a PA32T-301R or a PA32R-301T (?)
A Piper 6X is a PA??-???
A Piper 6XT is a PA??-????

Does anyone know of a website that provides all the different
designations by model?
Piper's and Cessna's websites are useless for finding this information.

[Ron Natalie]

"EDR" > wrote in message ...
> A Cherokee Six is a PA32-300

PA32-260 (at least the early models).

> A Piper Lance is a PA32-300R (?)

PA-32R-300 for the stragiht
PA-32R-300T for the T tail.

> A Piper Turbo Lance is a PA32T-300R or a PA32R-300T (?)

PA-32RT-300T

> A Piper Saratoga fixed gear is a PA32-301 (?)

PA-32-301 (Saratoga)

> A Piper Saratoga retract is a PA32-301R or a PA32R-301 (?)


PA-32R-301 (Saratoga SP)
PA-32R-301 (Saratoga II HP)

Note the HP and the SP in tpar

> A Piper Turbo Saratoga is a PA32T-301R or a PA32R-301T (?)

PA-32R-301T (Turbo Saratoga SP, Saratoga II TC)
There's also the turbo fixed Saratoga PA-32-301T (Turbo Saratoga)

> A Piper 6X is a PA??-???
> A Piper 6XT is a PA??-????

I believe the 6X is also going to be a PA-32-301
etc...

Note that the PA-32R-301 comes in three flavors (Lance, Saratoga SP, Saratoga II HP).
These are seperate models on the TCDS which all have the same number. The FAA seems
to use HP and SP after the model number ot separate them in some contexts but just ignores
it in others...you really have to look at the serial number to see which TCDS applies to your
plane with those models.

[blanche cohen]

It's not a Piper or Cessna or any other vendor issue. It's an
ICAO requirement. The manufacturer still gets to name the
aircraft but they must also provide an ICAO designator for
ATC.

Check the FAA website for aircraft designations. The entire
list is there (sorry, don't have the URL handy).

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, (blanche cohen) said:
>Check the FAA website for aircraft designations. The entire
>list is there (sorry, don't have the URL handy).

http://www.awp.faa.gov/fsdo/icao.htm doesn't agree with my understanding.
I remember a few years back that the FAA announced that the
non-high-performance Cherokees would be P28A, but the high-performance
Dakota would be P28B. But they've got P28A for all of them.

http://www.alaska.faa.gov/fai/afss/ACFT%20Designator/7340.1T-P.htm has the
P28B as I remember it, but doesn't mention the new Pipers specifically.


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looking at their watch.

[Ron Natalie]

"blanche cohen" > wrote in message ...
> It's not a Piper or Cessna or any other vendor issue. It's an
> ICAO requirement. The manufacturer still gets to name the
> aircraft but they must also provide an ICAO designator for
> ATC.
The ATC designators aren't any thing like the Piper (or frequently
anybody else's) model numbers. The manufacturer in general
did NOT have anything to do with the ATC designators. These were invented
by the FAA.

There are only 3 PA-32 designators PA32 (for the straight leg ones turbo or not)
P32R (retract non-turbo), P32T (retract turbo). There are 10 different PA-32
models (as of the 1997 revision to the type certificate, don't know about the 6X).
Eleven if you count the PA-32S-300 sea plane.

[EDR]

In article >, Ron
Natalie > wrote:

> There are only 3 PA-32 designators PA32 (for the straight leg ones turbo or
> not)
> P32R (retract non-turbo), P32T (retract turbo). There are 10 different PA-32
> models (as of the 1997 revision to the type certificate, don't know about the
> 6X).
> Eleven if you count the PA-32S-300 sea plane.

Thanks for clarifying all these Ron.
Can you tell me where you found them?

[Ron Natalie]

"EDR" > wrote in message ...
> In article >, Ron
> Natalie > wrote:
>
> > There are only 3 PA-32 designators PA32 (for the straight leg ones turbo or
> > not)
> > P32R (retract non-turbo), P32T (retract turbo). There are 10 different PA-32
> > models (as of the 1997 revision to the type certificate, don't know about the
> > 6X).
> > Eleven if you count the PA-32S-300 sea plane.
>
> Thanks for clarifying all these Ron.
> Can you tell me where you found them?

I have a CDROM from Summit Aviation which among other things has the TCDS's
on it. You can also find them on the FAA web site:

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet

The ATC designators come from the contractions order: 7340.1V. Again this is on the Summitt
CDROM (this thing has just about every FAA document you can imagine). I'm sure the FAA has
this online somewhere (maybe Steve knows off the top of his head). I can't find it in the FAA
search engine.

[Greg Goodknight]

All the Piper model numbers have a dash after the PA.

-Greg
PA-28-161 N2115R, a type P28A /U

"EDR" > wrote in message
...
> A Cherokee Six is a PA32-300
> A Piper Lance is a PA32-300R (?)
> A Piper Turbo Lance is a PA32T-300R or a PA32R-300T (?)
> A Piper Saratoga fixed gear is a PA32-301 (?)
> A Piper Saratoga retract is a PA32-301R or a PA32R-301 (?)
> A Piper Turbo Saratoga is a PA32T-301R or a PA32R-301T (?)
> A Piper 6X is a PA??-???
> A Piper 6XT is a PA??-????
>
> Does anyone know of a website that provides all the different
> designations by model?
> Piper's and Cessna's websites are useless for finding this information.

[Mark Kolber]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:32:56 +0000 (UTC), (Paul
Tomblin) wrote:

>http://www.awp.faa.gov/fsdo/icao.htm doesn't agree with my understanding.
>I remember a few years back that the FAA announced that the
>non-high-performance Cherokees would be P28A, but the high-performance
>Dakota would be P28B. But they've got P28A for all of them.

Apples and oranges, Paul. The shorthand designator that you are
referring to are for flight plan filing, where they are grouping
multiple models under the same designator. The just don't care whether
the C172 you are flying is a 172A, B, C, D, ... P, R, S, RG, XT or
other variation.

The designators being talked about in the thread are the
manufacturer-model designations for each individual make and model in
a group.

And I try to say "Thank you" for the CoPilot database every chance I
get. So, thank you.

Mark Kolber
APA/Denver, Colorado
www.midlifeflight.com
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