A different kind of extreme runway

[David Megginson]

I just noticed an interesting airport in the CFS (Canadian A&FD).
I glanced at the airport diagram for CAJ2, Eagle Plains/Wiley, Yukon
Territory, and noticed that the runway was on top of a road. A glance
at the CAUTION section confirmed that:

CAUTION Rwy forms part of Dempster hwy (mile 244)

The runway is 2500x60 gravel (pavement isn't common north of 60), so
basically, the highway just gets wider for a half mile and there's a
wind sock sitting beside it. Has anyone reading this group visited
this airport (either by plane or car)? I wonder how it's signed on
the highway, and how pilots feel about fighting with trucks for the
right of way.


All the best,


David

[Wolfgang K.]

http://www.afpm.org/Faucon-atterrissage.mpg

be patient, about 13 MB, but landing on a steep sloping hill, great mpg.
field: faucon/provence/france

wolfgang, loww, vie, vienna, austria

[Dan Thomas]

David Megginson > wrote in message >...
> I just noticed an interesting airport in the CFS (Canadian A&FD).
> I glanced at the airport diagram for CAJ2, Eagle Plains/Wiley, Yukon
> Territory, and noticed that the runway was on top of a road. A glance
> at the CAUTION section confirmed that:
>
> CAUTION Rwy forms part of Dempster hwy (mile 244)
>
> The runway is 2500x60 gravel (pavement isn't common north of 60), so
> basically, the highway just gets wider for a half mile and there's a
> wind sock sitting beside it. Has anyone reading this group visited
> this airport (either by plane or car)? I wonder how it's signed on
> the highway, and how pilots feel about fighting with trucks for the
> right of way.
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
> David

Little pavement north of 60, and few trucks and cars, too. Pilot
just gets a good look at the highway on either end of the strip and
makes sure nobody's coming.
Alaska highway has similar strips.

Dan

[Jay Honeck]

> CAUTION Rwy forms part of Dempster hwy (mile 244)

Wow, a rare instance of governmental common sense. Imagine, actually
trusting a pilot to make sure there are not trucks on the highway before
landing! :)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[David Reinhart]

The runway on Gibraltar used to be the same way. Traffic had to be
stopped on the "road" when the"runway" is in use. I don't know if that's
still the case or not, but it was back in the sixties.

Dave Reinhart


David Megginson wrote:

> I just noticed an interesting airport in the CFS (Canadian A&FD).
> I glanced at the airport diagram for CAJ2, Eagle Plains/Wiley, Yukon
> Territory, and noticed that the runway was on top of a road. A glance
> at the CAUTION section confirmed that:
>
> CAUTION Rwy forms part of Dempster hwy (mile 244)
>
> The runway is 2500x60 gravel (pavement isn't common north of 60), so
> basically, the highway just gets wider for a half mile and there's a
> wind sock sitting beside it. Has anyone reading this group visited
> this airport (either by plane or car)? I wonder how it's signed on
> the highway, and how pilots feel about fighting with trucks for the
> right of way.
>
> All the best,
>
> David

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>> CAUTION Rwy forms part of Dempster hwy (mile 244)
>
>
> Wow, a rare instance of governmental common sense. Imagine, actually
> trusting a pilot to make sure there are not trucks on the highway before
> landing! :)

Any road in Montana that is not Federal can be used as a runway. Just
look both ways.

[EDR]

In article <b7Emb.21615$mZ5.81261@attbi_s54>, Newps
> wrote:

> >> CAUTION Rwy forms part of Dempster hwy (mile 244)
> >
> > Wow, a rare instance of governmental common sense. Imagine, actually
> > trusting a pilot to make sure there are not trucks on the highway before
> > landing! :)
>
> Any road in Montana that is not Federal can be used as a runway. Just
> look both ways.

In Alaska there are signs that state "Airplanes Have Right-of-Way On
Road".

[Big John]

Have been stationed at a number of Air Force Bases that had roads
going around the end of the R/W across the overrun. They had red and
green lights on the road and if a bird was landing or taking off, the
red light was on and traffic stopped. If green, all traffic moved on
road.

Must have worked ok as never heard of a collision between someone on
the peripheral road and an aircraft.

Big John


On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:14:04 GMT, David Megginson
> wrote:

>I just noticed an interesting airport in the CFS (Canadian A&FD).
>I glanced at the airport diagram for CAJ2, Eagle Plains/Wiley, Yukon
>Territory, and noticed that the runway was on top of a road. A glance
>at the CAUTION section confirmed that:
>
> CAUTION Rwy forms part of Dempster hwy (mile 244)
>
>The runway is 2500x60 gravel (pavement isn't common north of 60), so
>basically, the highway just gets wider for a half mile and there's a
>wind sock sitting beside it. Has anyone reading this group visited
>this airport (either by plane or car)? I wonder how it's signed on
>the highway, and how pilots feel about fighting with trucks for the
>right of way.
>
>
>All the best,
>
>
>David

[Martin Hotze]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:24:28 GMT, EDR wrote:

>> Any road in Montana that is not Federal can be used as a runway. Just
>> look both ways.
>
>In Alaska there are signs that state "Airplanes Have Right-of-Way On
>Road".

http://www.airport-directory.com/bilder/rightofway.gif

#m

--
>> Are these pilots going to court and what
>> is their fine/penance/restitution/etc.?
> They are sentenced to spend an entire day with Bush.
Wouldn't shooting be more merciful? [Brian Burger in r.a.p.]

[Jay Honeck]

> In Alaska there are signs that state "Airplanes Have Right-of-Way On
> Road".

I want one of those signs for our upcoming "Backwoods Suite"!

I wonder if the Alaskan DOT will sell me one...?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[goy]

I recall seeing back in the '80s sections of highway near some towns in
Nevada that were set up to be runways, as well.

I've always thought the scheme quite reasonable from an operational
standpoint; it would require some education of the driving and flying
public, and may benefit from some 'technology' - which we already have:
radio activated lights that would also drop a barrier across the road to
temporarily stop auto traffic.

And it provides a means of making aviation accessible for thousands of small
towns and communities throughout the country who otherwise cannot afford it.

george

"David Megginson" > wrote in message
...
> I just noticed an interesting airport in the CFS (Canadian A&FD).
> I glanced at the airport diagram for CAJ2, Eagle Plains/Wiley, Yukon
> Territory, and noticed that the runway was on top of a road. A glance
> at the CAUTION section confirmed that:
>
> CAUTION Rwy forms part of Dempster hwy (mile 244)
>
> The runway is 2500x60 gravel (pavement isn't common north of 60), so
> basically, the highway just gets wider for a half mile and there's a
> wind sock sitting beside it. Has anyone reading this group visited
> this airport (either by plane or car)? I wonder how it's signed on
> the highway, and how pilots feel about fighting with trucks for the
> right of way.
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
> David

[EDR]

In article <RuQmb.7210$d87.5998@okepread05>, goy
> wrote:

> I recall seeing back in the '80s sections of highway near some towns in
> Nevada that were set up to be runways, as well.

Brings a whole new meaning to term "airport security", doesn't it?

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> I wonder if the Alaskan DOT will sell me one...?

There are probably quite a few Alaskan teenagers who would sell you one. :-)

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

[vincent p. norris]

>> CAUTION Rwy forms part of Dempster hwy (mile 244)
>
>Wow, a rare instance of governmental common sense. Imagine, actually
>trusting a pilot to make sure there are not trucks on the highway before
>landing! :)

I've flown the Alaska Highway to Fairbanks, twice. I was told that
aircraft have the right-of-way on it, and I believe, other Alaska
highways, too.

Fortunately I didn't have to test that. But although there were some
cars and trucks on the highway, there was plenty of space between them
for a landing (in May and June).

vince norris

[vincent p. norris]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:58:30 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> In Alaska there are signs that state "Airplanes Have Right-of-Way On
>> Road".
>
>I want one of those signs for our upcoming "Backwoods Suite"!
>
>I wonder if the Alaskan DOT will sell me one...?

Hell, Jay, it would be easy enough to make one.

Be sure to shoot a few holes in it, though, or it won't look
authentic.

vince norris

[Jim Watt]

David Reinhart > wrote in message >...
> The runway on Gibraltar used to be the same way. Traffic had to be
> stopped on the "road" when the"runway" is in use. I don't know if that's
> still the case or not, but it was back in the sixties.

It is, but it works.

--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[David Johnson]

I recall riding a bus on a freeway in South Korea some years ago, and was
surprised to pass over a section of it painted with runway markings. I guess
they were planning to use it for military purposes when the North invades.

[Bob Martin]

David Johnson > wrote in message
om...
> I recall riding a bus on a freeway in South Korea some years ago, and was
> surprised to pass over a section of it painted with runway markings. I
guess
> they were planning to use it for military purposes when the North invades.

Yes, South Korea has several dispersal strips built into the highways, for
use in a war (spreading the aircraft out to the small highway strips makes
it harder to knock them out all at once on the ground). I believe Sweden
has a similar strategy.

[Paul Sengupta]

RAF St Athan is like that...except the road goes through
the middle of the runway. We also have some airstrips which
have public footpaths going across them.

It has on at least one occasion proved fatal:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y4F252C56

Sometimes things can get a bit close.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?E3B252C56

Paul

"Big John" > wrote in message
...
> Have been stationed at a number of Air Force Bases that had roads
> going around the end of the R/W across the overrun. They had red and
> green lights on the road and if a bird was landing or taking off, the
> red light was on and traffic stopped. If green, all traffic moved on
> road.

[randall g]

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:14:04 GMT, David Megginson >
wrote:

>I just noticed an interesting airport in the CFS (Canadian A&FD).
>I glanced at the airport diagram for CAJ2, Eagle Plains/Wiley, Yukon
>Territory, and noticed that the runway was on top of a road. A glance
>at the CAUTION section confirmed that:
>
> CAUTION Rwy forms part of Dempster hwy (mile 244)
>
>The runway is 2500x60 gravel (pavement isn't common north of 60), so
>basically, the highway just gets wider for a half mile and there's a
>wind sock sitting beside it. Has anyone reading this group visited
>this airport (either by plane or car)? I wonder how it's signed on
>the highway, and how pilots feel about fighting with trucks for the
>right of way.



I have been there, by car, in 1986. On the highway are signs that say
"Watch For Aircraft Using Highway". This road is not at all busy so I am
sure there is not much trouble with right of way.

Here is a picture, taken from the north looking roughly south. There was
a small plane parked there that day.

http://www.telemark.net/~randallg/eagle_plains_airport.jpg

[David Megginson]

randall g > writes:

> I have been there, by car, in 1986. On the highway are signs that say
> "Watch For Aircraft Using Highway". This road is not at all busy so I am
> sure there is not much trouble with right of way.
>
> Here is a picture, taken from the north looking roughly south. There was
> a small plane parked there that day.
>
> http://www.telemark.net/~randallg/eagle_plains_airport.jpg

Thanks -- that's a great pic.


All the best,


David

[Carl J. Hixon]

Isn't all of the Alaskan highway considered a runway? I have seen photos of
planes in auto gas stations fueling up...presumably with the proper STC.

Also, regarding the planned use of highways in times of war. I also thought
that was an option here in the US. Someone once told me that interstates
intentionally had straight sections suitable for a runway at fairly regular
intervals by design.

"randall g" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:14:04 GMT, David Megginson >
> wrote:
>
> >I just noticed an interesting airport in the CFS (Canadian A&FD).
> >I glanced at the airport diagram for CAJ2, Eagle Plains/Wiley, Yukon
> >Territory, and noticed that the runway was on top of a road. A glance
> >at the CAUTION section confirmed that:
> >
> > CAUTION Rwy forms part of Dempster hwy (mile 244)
> >
> >The runway is 2500x60 gravel (pavement isn't common north of 60), so
> >basically, the highway just gets wider for a half mile and there's a
> >wind sock sitting beside it. Has anyone reading this group visited
> >this airport (either by plane or car)? I wonder how it's signed on
> >the highway, and how pilots feel about fighting with trucks for the
> >right of way.
>
>
>
> I have been there, by car, in 1986. On the highway are signs that say
> "Watch For Aircraft Using Highway". This road is not at all busy so I am
> sure there is not much trouble with right of way.
>
> Here is a picture, taken from the north looking roughly south. There was
> a small plane parked there that day.
>
> http://www.telemark.net/~randallg/eagle_plains_airport.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Brian Burger]

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Carl J. Hixon wrote:

> Isn't all of the Alaskan highway considered a runway? I have seen photos of
> planes in auto gas stations fueling up...presumably with the proper STC.
>
> Also, regarding the planned use of highways in times of war. I also thought
> that was an option here in the US. Someone once told me that interstates
> intentionally had straight sections suitable for a runway at fairly regular
> intervals by design.

Not according to Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/airstrip.asp

Strange, the things you read late at night that suddenly become
semi-relevent a week later! :)

Brian.


>
> "randall g" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:14:04 GMT, David Megginson >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I just noticed an interesting airport in the CFS (Canadian A&FD).
> > >I glanced at the airport diagram for CAJ2, Eagle Plains/Wiley, Yukon
> > >Territory, and noticed that the runway was on top of a road. A glance
> > >at the CAUTION section confirmed that:
> > >
> > > CAUTION Rwy forms part of Dempster hwy (mile 244)
> > >
> > >The runway is 2500x60 gravel (pavement isn't common north of 60), so
> > >basically, the highway just gets wider for a half mile and there's a
> > >wind sock sitting beside it. Has anyone reading this group visited
> > >this airport (either by plane or car)? I wonder how it's signed on
> > >the highway, and how pilots feel about fighting with trucks for the
> > >right of way.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have been there, by car, in 1986. On the highway are signs that say
> > "Watch For Aircraft Using Highway". This road is not at all busy so I am
> > sure there is not much trouble with right of way.
> >
> > Here is a picture, taken from the north looking roughly south. There was
> > a small plane parked there that day.
> >
> > http://www.telemark.net/~randallg/eagle_plains_airport.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Morgans]

"Carl J. Hixon" > wrote in message
news:RsFpb.1408$Zb7.824@fed1read01...
> Isn't all of the Alaskan highway considered a runway? I have seen photos
of
> planes in auto gas stations fueling up...presumably with the proper STC.
>
> Also, regarding the planned use of highways in times of war. I also
thought
> that was an option here in the US. Someone once told me that interstates
> intentionally had straight sections suitable for a runway at fairly
regular
> intervals by design.
>

Yes, every 10 miles is to have a straight mile, with no overpasses or
overhead wires.
--
Jim in NC

[John Mireley]

Morgans wrote:


>>that was an option here in the US. Someone once told me that interstates
>>intentionally had straight sections suitable for a runway at fairly
>
> regular
>
>>intervals by design.
>>
>
>
> Yes, every 10 miles is to have a straight mile, with no overpasses or
> overhead wires.
> --
> Jim in NC
>
>

If that is the case, is there a reference somewhere that points
these out?

[Gig Giacona]

"John Mireley" > wrote in message
...
> Morgans wrote:
>
>
> >>that was an option here in the US. Someone once told me that
interstates
> >>intentionally had straight sections suitable for a runway at fairly
> >
> > regular
> >
> >>intervals by design.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Yes, every 10 miles is to have a straight mile, with no overpasses or
> > overhead wires.
> > --
> > Jim in NC
> >
> >
>
> If that is the case, is there a reference somewhere that points
> these out?
>

Here's a reference that contradicts the statement.

http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/airstrip.asp

[G.R. Patterson III]

Morgans wrote:
>
> Yes, every 10 miles is to have a straight mile, with no overpasses or
> overhead wires.

Try driving from Asheville to Knoxville. Tell me how many straight sections you
find in the Blue Ridge and Smokies.

George Patterson
If you're not part of the solution, you can make a lot of money prolonging
the problem.