FAA Knowledge test

[Dave]

Passed the Private pilot Knowledge test today. Been flying in the US on the
basis of my foreign licence for the last couple of years.

I decided that I ought to show willing and show I have the knowledge too.

Probably go the whole way next time in the US and do the three hours of
training before doing the flight test and hold the US PP certificate in my
own right rather than on the basis of the foreign licence.

Scored 97% which was OK the only real problems being a question on weather
over South Indiana.

Florida and California I know but South Indiana?
So I got that wrong. I will need to get the atlas out to work out where that
is. The other question that involves a place everyone's heard of but has no
idea where it is Kentucky, thankfully that did not turn up.

The other deficiency was on the purpose of the weather depiction chart

Dave

[Cecil E. Chapman]

Congratulations!!! By the way,,,, I HATE those weather questions with those
8th generation Xerox maps... Geez, half the time it looks like their
weather maps in those FAA written exam books have a bad case of fleas, the
copy is so lousy.

Even still!!!! BIG CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

--
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Good Flights!

Cecil E. Chapman, Jr.
PP-ASEL

"We who fly do so for the love of flying.
We are alive in the air with this miracle
that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"

- Cecil Day Lewis-

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"Dave" > wrote in message
...
> Passed the Private pilot Knowledge test today. Been flying in the US on
the
> basis of my foreign licence for the last couple of years.
>
> I decided that I ought to show willing and show I have the knowledge too.
>
> Probably go the whole way next time in the US and do the three hours of
> training before doing the flight test and hold the US PP certificate in my
> own right rather than on the basis of the foreign licence.
>
> Scored 97% which was OK the only real problems being a question on weather
> over South Indiana.
>
> Florida and California I know but South Indiana?
> So I got that wrong. I will need to get the atlas out to work out where
that
> is. The other question that involves a place everyone's heard of but has
no
> idea where it is Kentucky, thankfully that did not turn up.
>
> The other deficiency was on the purpose of the weather depiction chart
>
> Dave
>
>

[Robert Moore]

"Dave" wrote
> Florida and California I know but South Indiana?
> So I got that wrong. I will need to get the atlas out to work
> out where that is. The other question that involves a place
> everyone's heard of but has no idea where it is Kentucky,
> thankfully that did not turn up.

Kentucky is the next state east of South Indiana. :-)

Bob Moore
Native Son of KY

[Dave]

"Robert Moore" > wrote in message
. 7...
> "Dave" wrote
> > Florida and California I know but South Indiana?
> > So I got that wrong. I will need to get the atlas out to work
> > out where that is. The other question that involves a place
> > everyone's heard of but has no idea where it is Kentucky,
> > thankfully that did not turn up.
>
> Kentucky is the next state east of South Indiana. :-)
>
I will look it up

Dave
Native son of Yorkshire

[Barney Rubble]

But the thing is you are not required to display a knowledge of US geography
to sit the knowledge test. Nowhere does this requirement exist, so why not
just say what if the ceiling in the weather depiction chart area 3? IMO
these geography based questions are unfair. I also got the same question
wrong on my knoweldge, and filed a complaint. Still waiting to hear back
though.

- Tim
"Dave" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Robert Moore" > wrote in message
> . 7...
> > "Dave" wrote
> > > Florida and California I know but South Indiana?
> > > So I got that wrong. I will need to get the atlas out to work
> > > out where that is. The other question that involves a place
> > > everyone's heard of but has no idea where it is Kentucky,
> > > thankfully that did not turn up.
> >
> > Kentucky is the next state east of South Indiana. :-)
> >
> I will look it up
>
> Dave
> Native son of Yorkshire
>
>

[vincent p. norris]

>But the thing is you are not required to display a knowledge of US geography
>to sit the knowledge test. ....... IMO these geography based questions are unfair.

Gee, I should think any high-school graduate would know where the
various states are, especially with folks on the weather channel
reminding us day after day.

vince norris

[Morgans]

"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> >But the thing is you are not required to display a knowledge of US
geography
> >to sit the knowledge test. ....... IMO these geography based questions
are unfair.
>
> Gee, I should think any high-school graduate would know where the
> various states are, especially with folks on the weather channel
> reminding us day after day.
>
> vince norris

Read the whole series of posts. We are talking England, you know that place
6 time zones east of Indiana?
--
Jim in NC

[vincent p. norris]

>> Gee, I should think any high-school graduate would know where the
>> various states are, especially with folks on the weather channel
>> reminding us day after day.
>>
>> vince norris
>
>Read the whole series of posts. We are talking England, you know that place
>6 time zones east of Indiana?

Yeah, I've heard of England. In fact, I'm an anglophile. My paternal
grandmother was raised there.

Perhaps I didn't get all the posts. The first one I got was a
complaint aobut having to know the location of southern Indiana.

Then Bob Moore said it's just west of Kentucky.

That was the entire thread on my computer screen when I posted my
response.

vince norris.

[G.R. Patterson III]

"vincent p. norris" wrote:
>
> The first one I got was a
> complaint aobut having to know the location of southern Indiana.

That post also contained the line "Been flying in the US on the basis of my
foreign licence for the last couple of years."

That's your cue. You can't expect a foreigner to know where Indiana is.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

[John Harper]

Why not? I'm one (when I'm in the US anyway) and I know
where Indiana is. If I didn't before I did the written (which actually
I did) I certainly would do afterwards! There's only 50 of them,
it isn't that hard.

John


"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
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>
>
> "vincent p. norris" wrote:
> >
> > The first one I got was a
> > complaint aobut having to know the location of southern Indiana.
>
> That post also contained the line "Been flying in the US on the basis of
my
> foreign licence for the last couple of years."
>
> That's your cue. You can't expect a foreigner to know where Indiana is.
>
> George Patterson
> You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the
mud.

[Dave]

"Saryon" > wrote in message
...
> I can see your point, but IMO since area forcasts themselves say
> things like:
>
> OH LE
> NRN HLF OH LE ... SCT <blah>
> SWRN QRT OH <blah>
> CHIC FA
> ND SD NE KS <blah>
>
> you do kind of have to have some basic knowledge of US Geography to
> know the boundaries of the areas they are referring to, even when
> comparing them to the depiction charts....
>
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:22:31 -0600, "Barney Rubble"
> > wrote:
>
> >But the thing is you are not required to display a knowledge of US
geography
> >to sit the knowledge test. Nowhere does this requirement exist, so why
not
> >just say what if the ceiling in the weather depiction chart area 3? IMO
> >these geography based questions are unfair. I also got the same question
> >wrong on my knoweldge, and filed a complaint. Still waiting to hear back
> >though.
> >

Thing is with only the likelihood of only one or two questions coming up
then it really a question of playing the percentage game.

Remembering back to the test I did I had two questions on aileron positions
in quartering winds.

The first involved a quartering head wind and the second involved a
quartering tailwind with a high wing tricycle airplane. That's no problem
as it is about something you do.

The geography is less practical. Frankly Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri
and some of those other mid continent States are a complete mystery.

Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Nevada and California are OK as are Alaska and
Hawaii and Florida.

I reckon I could place Georgia and New York and the Carolinas plus or minus
a state or two.

Mind you I can do every country in Europe all the way to the Urals and most
of Africa.

One question though, one the car license plates each state tends to have
some state slogan like
The Sunshine state, The Liberty State, etc, etc, out of interest which state
would claim the slogan " The Redneck State"?

[Morgans]

"Dave" > wrote in message >
> Mind you I can do every country in Europe all the way to the Urals and
most
> of Africa.
>
> One question though, one the car license plates each state tends to have
> some state slogan like
> The Sunshine state, The Liberty State, etc, etc, out of interest which
state
> would claim the slogan " The Redneck State"?
>
>
>
That would be Klinton's home state of Arkansas. <g>
--
Jim in NC

[vincent p. norris]

>That post also contained the line "Been flying in the US on the basis of my
>foreign licence for the last couple of years."

Now that you remind me, I do recall reading that line.

>That's your cue. You can't expect a foreigner to know where Indiana is.

Weeeeelll, I can locate in a general way at least the major areas of
the UK and Ireland, the major cities; and I can locate the major
countries of Europe (but I'd have trouble with the Balkans and the
smaller republics of the former USSR); and unlike another poster, I
can identify only a handful of African countries.

But I may be more interested in geography than most sensible people,
and I'm a cartophile, if there's such a word; I can sit and stare at
maps for hours. And do, on occasion.

If you recall, I expressed mild horror a few weeks ago at people who
let a computer plot their cross-countries for them, saying that
sitting down with a bunch of charts and plotting a route to Fairbanks
or San Francisco (from central PA) is almost as much fun as making the
flight.) No doubt I've learned some U.S. and Canadian geography from
doing that for many years.

And at age 75, I've had half a century longer to learn geography than
the poster.

vince norris

[Montblack]

("Dave" wrote)
<snip>
> The geography is less practical. Frankly Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri
> and some of those other mid continent States are a complete mystery.
>
> Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Nevada and California are OK as are Alaska and
> Hawaii and Florida.
>
> I reckon I could place Georgia and New York and the Carolinas plus or
minus
> a state or two.


Indiana is the state that ISN'T Ohio, Michigan or Illinois.

Iowa is the state directly under Minnesota.

Minnesota is in the (top) middle of the US, next to the western (square)
states that border Canada. Minnesota is so in the middle of the US, the
Mississippi River - which splits the country into East and West, starts
(headwaters) in the "middle" of our state. Mississippi River flows south
from Minnesota and forms the eastern boarder of Iowa.

Missouri sits directly under Iowa. Think St. Louis, Missouri. They have the
giant Gateway Arch on the Mississippi River (Gateway to the West) .

My 4th grade trick for Colorado, Utah, New Mexico and Arizona (Four Corners
Monument) is to put the vowels on the vowels, and the consonants on the
consonants. Utah sits on Arizona, Colorado sits on New Mexico.

I can't even begin to tell you the trouble I have with Europe :-(

--
Montblack

[Sylvain]

> "Saryon" > wrote in message
> > I can see your point, but IMO since area forcasts themselves say
> > things like:
> >
> > OH LE
> > NRN HLF OH LE ... SCT <blah>
> > SWRN QRT OH <blah>
> > CHIC FA
> > ND SD NE KS <blah>

I experienced the same problem with some FAA knowledge tests,
(not only about some obscure geography issues, but also in
interpreting weather reports and symbols on charts); my
instructor pointed out to me a 'must read' publication from
NOAA and FAA which I didn't know about before (to my shame,
I only found out about it after starting to study to become
a CFI...) and which answers all these questions: Aviation
Weather Services -- AC 00-45E (which you can also download
here in PDF format:
http://www1.faa.gov/avr/afs/afs400/ac00-45e.pdf)

In particular, a foreigner like myself, would find the
map on page 4-45 (Figure 4-11) to be particularly useful;
not only does it show the location of the states, but also
the commonly used geographical terms in aviation weather
reports (and in FAA knowledge tests! :-) and you'll be able
to understand all the funny looking rarely used abreviations
that sometimes show up on weather reports :-)

--Sylvain

[Dave]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave" > wrote in message >
> > Mind you I can do every country in Europe all the way to the Urals and
> most
> > of Africa.
> >
> > One question though, one the car license plates each state tends to have
> > some state slogan like
> > The Sunshine state, The Liberty State, etc, etc, out of interest which
> state
> > would claim the slogan " The Redneck State"?
> >
> >
> >
> That would be Klinton's home state of Arkansas.

I thought I was being rude and cheeky asking the question but reading the
posts about shots being fired at aircraft just stuns me.

What sort of people would do that and why? More over how is it that such
people are allowed to own guns? But then here, only criminals have guns
and if we issue guns to the police, they shoot the criminals and there is
not too much fuss Law abiding people have no need of guns so if you have a
gun you are not law abiding.

Only a few police are allowed to be issued guns anyway and only a few would
want to be issued with guns. Nothing worse than being shot with your own
gun.

Dave