The insane spitfire video clip

[gatt]

If you haven't seen this yet give it a look. It's a Spitfire practically
mowing the lawn during a wheels-up flyby at the camera. WTF?!

This is rated R for (wholly appropriate) use of strong language.

http://alexisparkinn.com/oh_my_god.htm

[Jay Honeck]

> If you haven't seen this yet give it a look. It's a Spitfire practically
> mowing the lawn during a wheels-up flyby at the camera. WTF?!
>
> This is rated R for (wholly appropriate) use of strong language.
>
> http://alexisparkinn.com/oh_my_god.htm

Glad you like it -- I think it's the best one of the bunch! (I'll bet they
ever used that footage in the documentary they were filming -- at least not
with sound! :-)

Sorry about not being able to save the video -- I've received several
requests for instructions on how to save it. For some stupid reason, my
setting the video up on its own page seems to eliminate the ability to
"right click and save" it.

I'll be working to fix that.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Peter Duniho]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Uw0nb.38133$Tr4.79133@attbi_s03...
> Sorry about not being able to save the video -- I've received several
> requests for instructions on how to save it. For some stupid reason, my
> setting the video up on its own page seems to eliminate the ability to
> "right click and save" it.
>
> I'll be working to fix that.

Just include the full link somewhere on the page:

http://alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/ohmygodSpitfire%20pass.wmv

For that matter, anyone who wants to can use the above link to save it.

Pete

[David Dyer-Bennet]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> Sorry about not being able to save the video -- I've received several
> requests for instructions on how to save it. For some stupid reason, my
> setting the video up on its own page seems to eliminate the ability to
> "right click and save" it.
>
> I'll be working to fix that.

It's because you used the "embed" tag (which is obsolete, having been
dropped from the HTML 4 specification in favor of the "object" tag),
instead of just linking to the file. I pulled the information out of
the source code, and could view (and save) the file directly just
fine:

<http://alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/Migcrash.mpg>
plays the mig crash video directly, for example.
--
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RKBA: <noguns-nomoney.com> <www.dd-b.net/carry/>
Photos: <dd-b.lighthunters.net> Snapshots: <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
Dragaera/Steven Brust: <dragaera.info/>

[Jay Honeck]

Thanks, guys. As always, I'm learning "on the fly" with this stuff. I'll
be making those additions shortly...

Gee, while you're at it, could you take a look at my new "floor plan
schematics" and tell me what you think? (See them at
http://alexisparkinn.com/floor_plans_&_descriptions.htm ).

Mary seems to think that they are the best thing on our site, since they
give potential guests a chance to see EXACTLY what their suite will look
like, from a "God's Eye" view. In this regard, photos of the suites don't
work as well...

I'm not done with all of them, yet (it's fairly labor intensive to measure
the suites and create the schematics) but I'm hopeful that visitors to the
site will find them useful. Certainly more useful (if perhaps not as fun!)
as our popular "Aviation Videos" page! :-)

Any suggestions are welcome, however!

Thanks...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Teacherjh]

Another thing - .wmv files are nasty. Much better to use a .mpg because an
..mpg is just the video, but .wmv files can contain embedded web links and the
players can't fliter them out.

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

[Jay Honeck]

> Another thing - .wmv files are nasty. Much better to use a .mpg because
an
> .mpg is just the video, but .wmv files can contain embedded web links and
the
> players can't fliter them out.

I didn't know that. Any advice on how to convert a .wmv file to an .mpg
file?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[John T]

"Teacherjh" > wrote in message

>
> Another thing - .wmv files are nasty. Much better to use a .mpg
> because an .mpg is just the video, but .wmv files can contain
> embedded web links and the players can't fliter them out.

The only problem with using MPEG over WMV is that WMV gives you greater
compression - at least that's been my experience. If somebody knows of a
method to get a comparable image/sound quality into an MPEG clip for about
the same disk space, I'm all ears.

RealMedia gives video quality similar to WMV but lower audio quality for
about the same disk size. Unfortunately, RealPlayer installs background
tasks that border on spyware.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
__________

[John T]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:XDanb.42009$e01.97595@attbi_s02
>
> I didn't know that. Any advice on how to convert a .wmv file to an
> .mpg file?

I don't know of any direct converters. I've had to convert the WMV clips to
AVI and then to MPEG in the past.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
__________

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:05:17 GMT, "John T" > wrote in
Message-Id: m>:

>Unfortunately, RealPlayer installs background
>tasks that border on spyware.

RealPlayer is so invasive as to be disabled on my system.

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:15:03 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote in Message-Id:
<XDanb.42009$e01.97595@attbi_s02>:

>Any advice on how to convert a .wmv file to an .mpg
>file?

The usual:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?x=op&va=convert+wmv+to+mpg&va_vt=any&vst=0&vd=all&fl=0&ei=ISO-8859-1&vm=p&n=20

[Jay Honeck]

Check out the page http://www.alexisparkinn.com/oh_my_god.htm now.

I've now added a method of saving the file for off-line viewing -- thanks
guys!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Peter Duniho]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:WC9nb.40657$Tr4.83989@attbi_s03...
> I'm not done with all of them, yet (it's fairly labor intensive to measure
> the suites and create the schematics) but I'm hopeful that visitors to the
> site will find them useful. Certainly more useful (if perhaps not as
fun!)
> as our popular "Aviation Videos" page! :-)
>
> Any suggestions are welcome, however!

The one comment I have is more of a question: when making reservations, are
guests able to guarantee a specific suite?

If not, I wouldn't bother with the floor plans, since all they do is create
expectations that may not be fulfilled. If they are able to, then
sure...having the floorplans is a nice enhancement to aid in selecting one's
suite (though I don't know if the amount of effort you put into it is worth
it :) ).

Pete

[Peter Duniho]

"Teacherjh" > wrote in message
...
> Another thing - .wmv files are nasty. Much better to use a .mpg because
an
> .mpg is just the video, but .wmv files can contain embedded web links and
the
> players can't fliter them out.

That's silly. As long as Jay doesn't embed a link in a WMV file, it won't
have one. Presumably he's only posting WMV files he's actually played
himself and knows don't include any malicious scripting.

Two big advantages to using WMV: widely available player; excellent
compression.

Pete

[Teacherjh]

>>
> Another thing - .wmv files are nasty. Much better to use a .mpg because an
> .mpg is just the video, but .wmv files can contain embedded web links and the
> players can't fliter them out.

That's silly. As long as Jay doesn't embed a link in a WMV file, it won't
have one.
<<

.... and those who filter out .wmv files in their entirety (because of payloads)
won't get to see them.

If a format is not trustworthy, it shouldn't be used.

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Peter Duniho" > said:
>"Teacherjh" > wrote in message
...
>> Another thing - .wmv files are nasty. Much better to use a .mpg because
>an
>> .mpg is just the video, but .wmv files can contain embedded web links and
>the
>> players can't fliter them out.
>
>That's silly. As long as Jay doesn't embed a link in a WMV file, it won't
>have one. Presumably he's only posting WMV files he's actually played
>himself and knows don't include any malicious scripting.

Jay didn't create the file. Therefore he has no way of knowing what it
does or doesn't include.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Diplomacy is the ability to let someone else have your way.

[Don Tuite]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:26:32 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
> wrote:

>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>news:WC9nb.40657$Tr4.83989@attbi_s03...
>> Any suggestions are welcome, however!
>
>The one comment I have is more of a question: when making reservations, are
>guests able to guarantee a specific suite?
>
>If not, I wouldn't bother with the floor plans, since all they do is create
>expectations that may not be fulfilled. If they are able to, then
>sure...having the floorplans is a nice enhancement to aid in selecting one's
>suite (though I don't know if the amount of effort you put into it is worth
>it :) ).

OTOH, Jay is promoting a destination, a "Honeckland in America's
Heartland." When you land there, your life is suddenly in
Technicolor. Filling the Web site with stuff means the adventure
starts before you ever leave home. (Look at that hot tub! There's
Jimmy Doolittle and the B-25s from the Tokyo raid taking off from the
deck of the USS Hornet!)

Don

[gatt]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:Uw0nb.38133
use of strong language.
> >
> > http://alexisparkinn.com/oh_my_god.htm
>
> Glad you like it -- I think it's the best one of the bunch! (I'll bet
they
> ever used that footage in the documentary they were filming -- at least
not
> with sound! :-)

I've only watched it about a hundred times now. Let's see...ballpark
estimates would put the prop diameter at around 7', and he appears to have
been some fraction of that off the ground, GEAR UP...

Good God. I just can't imagine who would do that. Reminds me of Piece of
Cake where they're flying under the stone bridge (best flying footage in
anything I've ever watched, really.)

Do you know any details about the shoot? What airplane was it?

-c

[Jay Honeck]

> I've only watched it about a hundred times now. Let's see...ballpark
> estimates would put the prop diameter at around 7', and he appears to have
> been some fraction of that off the ground, GEAR UP...
>
> Good God. I just can't imagine who would do that.

It really IS insane, isn't it?

That's what makes it so incredible.

Big John -- or VLenoch -- you reading this? Care to comment on this crazy
Spitfire driver's pass?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Peter Duniho]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> Jay didn't create the file. Therefore he has no way of knowing what it
> does or doesn't include.

It is silly to claim that just because someone is not the creator, that they
have no way of knowing what's in the file.

[Peter Duniho]

"Teacherjh" > wrote in message
...
> ... and those who filter out .wmv files in their entirety (because of
payloads)
> won't get to see them.

Why not just set your security settings so that the scripts contained in WMV
files aren't run?

> If a format is not trustworthy, it shouldn't be used.

The format is perfectly trustworthy, just as much as any "web-friendly"
format is, as long as you have a clue about what you're doing with your
computer. If you don't trust WMV files, you shouldn't ever open any web
browser.

Pete

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:08:38 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
> wrote in Message-Id:
>:

>The format is perfectly trustworthy, just as much as any "web-friendly"
>format is, as long as you have a clue about what you're doing with your
>computer.

The majority of video compression formats do not support windows
scripting. In fact, I know of no other.

>If you don't trust WMV files, you shouldn't ever open any web
>browser.

You don't have to open a browser; WMV files will do that for you
whether you want it or not.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Peter Duniho" > said:
>"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
>> Jay didn't create the file. Therefore he has no way of knowing what it
>> does or doesn't include.
>
>It is silly to claim that just because someone is not the creator, that they
>have no way of knowing what's in the file.

It is? How would he know what's in it, then? I tell you what, I'll put a
file on my web site. I'll bet you $10,000 that Jay won't be able to tell
if it has malicous code in it.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
You'll get access to my computer room right after you pry the Halon test
key out of my cold, lifeless hands.
-- Simon Travaglia

[Jay Honeck]

> It is? How would he know what's in it, then? I tell you what, I'll put a
> file on my web site. I'll bet you $10,000 that Jay won't be able to tell
> if it has malicous code in it.

Hey -- for $10K, I'll take the time to learn whichever programming language
is necessary to beat that bet!

And, by the way: You misspelled "malicious"...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Peter Duniho]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> The majority of video compression formats do not support windows
> scripting.

So what?

> >If you don't trust WMV files, you shouldn't ever open any web
> >browser.
>
> You don't have to open a browser; WMV files will do that for you
> whether you want it or not.

You are missing the point. First of all, WMV files won't open a browser on
my computer; if you choose to allow that on your computer, that's a choice
you have to live with.

Secondly, my comment about not opening a web broswer was simply addressing
the fact that you have the EXACT same vulnerability when playing a WMV file
(if you've chosen to expose yourself to that vulnerability) as you have when
surfing the web. A WMV file cannot do anything that any random HTML page
can't do. If you feel insecure playing a WMV file, you should feel insecure
navigating to any web page.

Pete

[Peter Duniho]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> It is? How would he know what's in it, then? I tell you what, I'll put a
> file on my web site. I'll bet you $10,000 that Jay won't be able to tell
> if it has malicous code in it.

By that metric, Jay's entire web site should be avoided. After all, I doubt
he could tell you whether ANY page on his web site has malicious code in it.
The fact that he originally created the content in no way ensures him that
it's safe.

The point is that the file format is not opaque, and it's trivial to
determine whether it's potentially dangerous or not. Jay's own technical
expertise isn't really the issue.

Pete

[Teacherjh]

>>
Why not just set your security settings so that the scripts contained in WMV
files aren't run?
<<

I do have them that way. Scripts are off, java is off, animation is off,
popups are off. But if I download a .wmf file and run it from a player that
has nothing to do with the internet, it still tries to log me on and take me
somewhere, if that's what the script says to do, and I have no clue as to how
to tell these players not to even try. (they never get anywhere because
whenever I need to see a .wmf file I pull the plug on the internet)

If you have a clue, please tell me how to run a wmf file in media player, movie
player, quicktime, imaging, or vueprint pro without triggering the scripts
hidden inside.

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

[John T]

"Teacherjh" > wrote in message

>
> I do have them that way. Scripts are off, java is off, animation is
> off, popups are off. But if I download a .wmf file and run it from a
> player that has nothing to do with the internet, it still tries to
> log me on and take me somewhere, if that's what the script says to
> do, and I have no clue as to how to tell these players not to even
> try. (they never get anywhere because whenever I need to see a .wmf
> file I pull the plug on the internet)
>
> If you have a clue, please tell me how to run a wmf file in media
> player, movie player, quicktime, imaging, or vueprint pro without
> triggering the scripts hidden inside.

Have you tried the settings in Tools | Options | Security?

Uncheck the "Run script commands when present" and
Check "Do not run script commands...inside a web page."

I don't have a page to test these with, but I believe that's what these
options are intended to deal with.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
_______________

[John T]

"John T" > wrote in message
ws.com
>
> I don't have a page to test these with, but I believe that's what
> these options are intended to deal with.

BTW, that's in Windows Media Player (I'm using v9).

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
_______________

[Teacherjh]

My version of Windows Media Player does not have those options (v.7)

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

[EDR]

In article >, Peter Duniho
> wrote:

> By that metric, Jay's entire web site should be avoided. After all, I doubt
> he could tell you whether ANY page on his web site has malicious code in it.
> The fact that he originally created the content in no way ensures him that
> it's safe.

Well... it IS Windows based. That's malicious enough, isn't it?

[Peter Duniho]

"Teacherjh" > wrote in message
...
> My version of Windows Media Player does not have those options (v.7)

Then install a version that does.

[Brian Burger]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Larry Dighera wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:05:17 GMT, "John T" > wrote in
> Message-Id: m>:
>
> >Unfortunately, RealPlayer installs background
> >tasks that border on spyware.
>
> RealPlayer is so invasive as to be disabled on my system.

I've used my firewall to cut RealPlayer off from the internet - now it's a
*much* better behaved program. No irritating popups, no demands to be
updated, it just plays .rm videos when I want it too...

Brian.

[G.R. Patterson III]

gatt wrote:
>
> What airplane was it?

Judging from the radiators, it's a Spitfire Mk IX.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

[Duane MacInnis]

Hi Jay,

The only ones that play for me are the spitfire and the low pass. She spit
I saved, the low pass didn't work.

Thanks for the cool stuff!

Duane
++++++++++++++
Duane MacInnis
Flight Instructor
Cell (604) 454-7415
www.macinnisaviation.com

Grumman Cheetah C-GVJF



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:E2cnb.42732$e01.99082@attbi_s02...
> Check out the page http://www.alexisparkinn.com/oh_my_god.htm now.
>
> I've now added a method of saving the file for off-line viewing -- thanks
> guys!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> I've used my firewall to cut RealPlayer off from the internet - now it's a
> *much* better behaved program. No irritating popups, no demands to be
> updated, it just plays .rm videos when I want it too...

Of all the people who have emailed me saying they're having problems running
the videos, it's almost always been due to the fact that they've got
RealPlayer set as their default media player.

Switching the default to Windows Media Player has fixed it, every time.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> The one comment I have is more of a question: when making reservations,
are
> guests able to guarantee a specific suite?

Yes!

One thing you'll find about our place -- NONE of the "normal" lodging rules
apply.

That's what happens when two pilots with no hotel background buy a small,
luxury suites inn. Stupid, crazy stuff like customer service starts to
happen! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jeff]

Hey Jay, just a heads up on using video clips.
There is a company called Acacia that claims to own the patent on recorded
streaming media.
They are asking that people pay them huge amounts of money to license their DMT
patents. How do I know about this, because we got a letter from them asking us
to pay them $10k to license their patents. They are not playing around, they
even sent these letters to universities, online radio stations and so forth.

Jeff

Jay Honeck wrote:

> > If you haven't seen this yet give it a look. It's a Spitfire practically
> > mowing the lawn during a wheels-up flyby at the camera. WTF?!
> >
> > This is rated R for (wholly appropriate) use of strong language.
> >
> > http://alexisparkinn.com/oh_my_god.htm
>
> Glad you like it -- I think it's the best one of the bunch! (I'll bet they
> ever used that footage in the documentary they were filming -- at least not
> with sound! :-)
>
> Sorry about not being able to save the video -- I've received several
> requests for instructions on how to save it. For some stupid reason, my
> setting the video up on its own page seems to eliminate the ability to
> "right click and save" it.
>
> I'll be working to fix that.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Jeff]

I have seen people embed crap in mpegs also, am not sure what program they used,
but I have seen them with it.

Teacherjh wrote:

> Another thing - .wmv files are nasty. Much better to use a .mpg because an
> .mpg is just the video, but .wmv files can contain embedded web links and the
> players can't fliter them out.
>
> Jose
>
> --
> (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

[Jeff]

you can go to www.download.com and do a search there for a converter, I found
mine there.

Jeff

Jay Honeck wrote:

> > Another thing - .wmv files are nasty. Much better to use a .mpg because
> an
> > .mpg is just the video, but .wmv files can contain embedded web links and
> the
> > players can't fliter them out.
>
> I didn't know that. Any advice on how to convert a .wmv file to an .mpg
> file?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Dylan Smith]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:50:03 GMT, gatt > wrote:
>I've only watched it about a hundred times now. Let's see...ballpark
>estimates would put the prop diameter at around 7', and he appears to have
>been some fraction of that off the ground, GEAR UP...

If it's the video I'm thinking of, I got it a while ago, and I load it
up whenever I need a good laugh :-)

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Dylan Smith]

On 27 Oct 2003 19:04:38 GMT, Teacherjh > wrote:
>... and those who filter out .wmv files in their entirety (because of payloads)
>won't get to see them.

wmv is just MPEG-4 with some MS "improvements", IIRC. I'd rather have
the MPEG-4 file, but I can play wmv with my non-Microsoft system so it's
not such a big bother (payloads won't have an affect).

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Dylan Smith]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:55:07 -0800, Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.
com> wrote:
>Secondly, my comment about not opening a web broswer was simply addressing
>the fact that you have the EXACT same vulnerability when playing a WMV file
>(if you've chosen to expose yourself to that vulnerability) as you have when
>surfing the web.

I dunno, there are some very serious vulnerabilities in MSIE that have
turned up recently - including one allowing a malicious user to execute
arbitrary code as the logged in user (which is also trivial to exploit).

A patch a day keeps the trojans away.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Dylan Smith]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:50:20 GMT, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>Hey -- for $10K, I'll take the time to learn whichever programming language
>is necessary to beat that bet!

i386 assembly included? :-)

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Craig Prouse]

"Dylan Smith" wrote:

> A patch a day keeps the trojans away.

I thought the Trojan was to keep the nasties away.

[Roger Long]

Jay,

Don't worry about converting. You should be running Zone Alarm Pro on your
computer anyway or an equivalent that tells you when any program is trying
to communicate with the outside world. If you run a clip and don't get an
alert, it's free of web links.

The wmv files are much better for viewers due to the smaller size. I can't
imagine anyone would bother putting a virus into an aviation clip. They
would go with something with wider appeal like cheerleaders ....(never
mind).
--
Roger Long

[Jay Honeck]

> There is a company called Acacia that claims to own the patent on recorded
> streaming media.
> They are asking that people pay them huge amounts of money to license
their DMT
> patents. How do I know about this, because we got a letter from them
asking us
> to pay them $10k to license their patents. They are not playing around,
they
> even sent these letters to universities, online radio stations and so
forth.

They claim a patent on ALL streaming media? Wow -- that's arrogance of
Microsoftian proportions.

Well, I suppose if they want to stop our fun, they can have a whack at me.

But they'll have to stand in line to do it. ;-)

(What's a "DMT patent"?)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[G.R. Patterson III]

Dylan Smith wrote:
>
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:50:20 GMT, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> >Hey -- for $10K, I'll take the time to learn whichever programming language
> >is necessary to beat that bet!
>
> i386 assembly included? :-)

Hey, for 10K, I'd learn it!

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

[Corky Scott]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:50:03 GMT, "gatt" > wrote:

>I've only watched it about a hundred times now. Let's see...ballpark
>estimates would put the prop diameter at around 7', and he appears to have
>been some fraction of that off the ground, GEAR UP...
>
>Good God. I just can't imagine who would do that. Reminds me of Piece of
>Cake where they're flying under the stone bridge (best flying footage in
>anything I've ever watched, really.)
>
>Do you know any details about the shoot? What airplane was it?

I read an explanation in another group.

The gist is as follows: It was to be an introduction to a Discovery
program, if I remember right, and is about two years old. The
"talent" is supposed to introduce the piece and he's supposed to
finish his introduction in time for the Spitfire to zoom past.

I will extrapolate a bit and suggest that very likely the Spitfire had
run a pass or two ahead of time so that the filmers could time his
approach and work out how long the intro could be.

This could have happened at any time prior to the "talent" arriving
for his part. I say this because it seems pretty obvious that the guy
has no idea how close the pass will be.

This, again pretty obviously, is the first take.

Here's an additional detail: the pilot of the Spitfire is a guy who
flies it in shows a lot and has the reputation for flying extremely
low. If you watch the approach carefully, you'll notice that the guy
is so low, he actually has to climb a bit to clear the camera crew.
His prop disc, at one point, appears to be only about four feet above
the turf.

It was a pass in which the Spitfire circles out of camera view, and
dives down to begin the approach. He isn't taking off and climbing
out right over the crew.

Corky Scott

[Ron Natalie]

"Brian Burger" > wrote in message a.tc.ca...

>
> I've used my firewall to cut RealPlayer off from the internet - now it's a
> *much* better behaved program. No irritating popups, no demands to be
> updated, it just plays .rm videos when I want it too...
>
Only if you also kill off the @*&#! start center feature. We had a customer who
was griping about our software burping every second. Sure enough even when
RealPlayer isn't supposed to be doing anything it wakes up once a second and
steals away the CPU.

[Montblack]

("Craig Prouse" wrote)
> > A patch a day keeps the trojans away.
>
> I thought the Trojan was to keep the nasties away.


Monty Python's: The Meaning of life (1983)

MR. BLACKITT: No, no. I mean, because we are members of the Protestant
Reformed Church, which successfully challenged the autocratic power of the
Papacy in the mid- sixteenth century, we can wear little rubber devices to
prevent issue.

http://www.geocities.com/pythoninsanity/Meaningoflife.html

MR. BLACKITT: That's what being a Protestant's all about. That's why it's
the church for me. That's why it's the church for anyone who respects the
individual and the individual's right to decide for him or herself. When
Martin Luther nailed his protest up to the church door in fifteen-
seventeen, he may not have realised the full significance of what he was
doing, but four hundred years later, thanks to him, my dear, I can wear
whatever I want on my John Thomas,... [sniff] ...and, Protestantism doesn't
stop at the simple condom! Oh, no! I can wear French Ticklers if I want.

--
Montblack
"I like to watch"

[Peter Duniho]

"Dylan Smith" > wrote in message
...
> I dunno, there are some very serious vulnerabilities in MSIE that have
> turned up recently

You "dunno" what? That's my point. Web surfing is in itself a "dangerous"
activity. A script in a WMV file is only truly dangerous if your browser
has a vulnerability (and of course, if you've enabled running scripts in
your media player), and if that's the case, then you have the same exact
risk just surfing the web.

Pete

[Jay Honeck]

> The only ones that play for me are the spitfire and the low pass. She
spit
> I saved, the low pass didn't work.

Anyone else having trouble running them?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Sam]

(Corky Scott) wrote in message >...
>
> The gist is as follows: It was to be an introduction to a Discovery
> program, if I remember right, and is about two years old. The
> "talent" is supposed to introduce the piece and he's supposed to
> finish his introduction in time for the Spitfire to zoom past.
>
> <SNIP>

The announcer is Alain de Cadenet from Speed TV. They used to have
aviation programs before Fox bought the network.

[Jeff]

Thats what their patent claims, so far, some of the biggest companies, Hustler,
wicked, Vivid, lodge net, and others, have signed their license agreement. After
our attorney reviewed the patents, we signed it also. Its no joke, they are
going after everyone, they have had the courts shut down alot of sites that
refused to pay licensing fee's.
A few places are litigating it, I am sure the out come of the trial will
invalidate the patents, but as of now, they are enforcing them.

BTW they havnt been standing in any lines, they have been pushing their way to
the front of it :)

This is the same company who in 2000, claimed they held the patent on the V-chip
technology, alot of companies paid up, a few went to court. after 2 years,
acacia lost. But as Rob Berman said in a radio interview "we made 200 million
dollars, so did we really lose"



Jay Honeck wrote:

> > There is a company called Acacia that claims to own the patent on recorded
> > streaming media.
> > They are asking that people pay them huge amounts of money to license
> their DMT
> > patents. How do I know about this, because we got a letter from them
> asking us
> > to pay them $10k to license their patents. They are not playing around,
> they
> > even sent these letters to universities, online radio stations and so
> forth.
>
> They claim a patent on ALL streaming media? Wow -- that's arrogance of
> Microsoftian proportions.
>
> Well, I suppose if they want to stop our fun, they can have a whack at me.
>
> But they'll have to stand in line to do it. ;-)
>
> (What's a "DMT patent"?)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Pat Thronson]

Works great (WinXP-Pro Windows media player V8.0), although I had to down
load it or it was too choppy streaming, I am using a SAT connection.

Question to the pilots experienced in this type of airplane...What is the
chances out of 100, this guy would be dead. I thought I saw the wings
bobble.



Pat Thronson PP




"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:obBnb.52423$e01.129451@attbi_s02...
> > The only ones that play for me are the spitfire and the low pass. She
> spit
> > I saved, the low pass didn't work.
>
> Anyone else having trouble running them?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Anyone else having trouble running them?

Can't run it in Netscape (which I use for usenet). I can cut the URL that Peter
posted into an IE window and get it to run.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

[Douglas S. Ladden]

Jay Honeck on 28 Oct 2003 suggested:

> (What's a "DMT patent"?)

A patent relating to "Digital Media Transmission" (DMT). Actually,
they have 5 such U.S. Patents. You can see them from here:
http://www.acaciatechnologies.com/uspatents_all.htm

--Douglas

[Do What?]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:58:03 -0800, Jeff > wrote:

>Thats what their patent claims, so far, some of the biggest companies, Hustler,
>wicked, Vivid, lodge net, and others, have signed their license agreement. After
>our attorney reviewed the patents, we signed it also.

How long ago was this? Your attorney could have easily requested a
stay on the court date until the current lawsuit against Acacia is
settled (which will more than likley invalidate their patents).


>Its no joke, they are
>going after everyone, they have had the courts shut down alot of sites that
>refused to pay licensing fee's.

Which is misleading, and almost makes it sound like Acacia acutally
presented a case in their favor, which is not the case.
The only time Acacia has won anything in court, was when the defendant
refused to appear.... and is not "a lot" of sites, just a handful run
by a few select companies.

If their pantent held *any* weight, companies like Yahoo, MS, AOL, etc
would be the targets.

Acacia definitely seems to be pros in this area... milking a puchased
pantent for all they can before the courts deem them invalid.

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:05:51 -0600, Do What? > wrote
in Message-Id: >:

>Acacia definitely seems to be pros in this area... milking a puchased
>pantent for all they can before the courts deem them invalid.

Aren't patents issued for the purpose of generating law suits? :-)

[Do What?]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:05:51 -0600, Do What? >
wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:58:03 -0800, Jeff > wrote:
>
>>Thats what their patent claims, so far, some of the biggest companies, Hustler,
>>wicked, Vivid, lodge net, and others, have signed their license agreement. After
>>our attorney reviewed the patents, we signed it also.
>
>How long ago was this? Your attorney could have easily requested a
>stay on the court date until the current lawsuit against Acacia is
>settled (which will more than likley invalidate their patents).

Just to correct myself... there is no lawsuit against Acacia, but
there are finally a group of defendants (11) that are well prepared to
challenge the Acacia claim (something that has yet to be done).

Either way, one could make a very strong case for a stay until those
play out in the courts.

[Jay Honeck]

> > Anyone else having trouble running them?
>
> Can't run it in Netscape (which I use for usenet). I can cut the URL that
Peter
> posted into an IE window and get it to run.

Uh-oh. Anyone here care to help me solve THIS one?

I don't know anything about making something "Netscape capable"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> http://www.acaciatechnologies.com/uspatents_all.htm

Eye...lids...heavy...

Can't...focus...

Must...sleep.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Uh-oh. Anyone here care to help me solve THIS one?

Probably not your problem. Ask Corky Scott if he can run it with *his* version
of Netscape. If so, forget about it.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Larry Dighera wrote:
>
> Aren't patents issued for the purpose of generating law suits? :-)

Certainly the Wright brother's patents were.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

[Jeff]

Yes, if your on a unix machine you need to add handlers to the srm.conf file,
they would look like:

AddType video/x-ms-asf asf asx
AddType video/x-ms-wmv wmv



Jay Honeck wrote:

> > > Anyone else having trouble running them?
> >
> > Can't run it in Netscape (which I use for usenet). I can cut the URL that
> Peter
> > posted into an IE window and get it to run.
>
> Uh-oh. Anyone here care to help me solve THIS one?
>
> I don't know anything about making something "Netscape capable"...
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Jeff]

how long ago, last week was when we sent them the check.


Do What? wrote:

> If their pantent held *any* weight, companies like Yahoo, MS, AOL, etc
> would be the targets.

actually this was asked of them during a live interview, their response was the law
allows them certain latitude, they decided to go after websits because they can make
more money.
But remember they already signed lodgnet (the people who provide in-room movies to
hotels) and are trying to get money from Universities right now.

patent law suits are expensive, its not something you want to fight if you dont have
to.

[Jay Honeck]

> Yes, if your on a unix machine you need to add handlers to the srm.conf
file,
> they would look like:
>
> AddType video/x-ms-asf asf asx
> AddType video/x-ms-wmv wmv

???

Repeat after me: "Who put the tribbles in the quatro-triticale?!"

(That makes about as much sense to you as your post does to me... :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jeff]

actually there are law suits against acacia by a couple of different companies. Not
directly against the DMT patents, but as a result of them and ongoings around them.

There is a group (whom I know personally and recently talked to on the phone) who has
been in litigation with acacia for awhile.
This isnt a new thing, its just recently they have been really pushing their license
thing. I think they will win, there is ALOT of people helping them find prior art. We
were first "asked" to sign their license agreement 3 months ago. The company in
litigation was first "ask" to sign it last year.

Do What? wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:05:51 -0600, Do What? >
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:58:03 -0800, Jeff > wrote:
> >
> >>Thats what their patent claims, so far, some of the biggest companies, Hustler,
> >>wicked, Vivid, lodge net, and others, have signed their license agreement. After
> >>our attorney reviewed the patents, we signed it also.
> >
> >How long ago was this? Your attorney could have easily requested a
> >stay on the court date until the current lawsuit against Acacia is
> >settled (which will more than likley invalidate their patents).
>
> Just to correct myself... there is no lawsuit against Acacia, but
> there are finally a group of defendants (11) that are well prepared to
> challenge the Acacia claim (something that has yet to be done).
>
> Either way, one could make a very strong case for a stay until those
> play out in the courts.

[Jeff]

lol...what kind of server are you on, unix or NT ?

BTW I know what tribbles are, everyone watches star trek :)


Jay Honeck wrote:

> > Yes, if your on a unix machine you need to add handlers to the srm.conf
> file,
> > they would look like:
> >
> > AddType video/x-ms-asf asf asx
> > AddType video/x-ms-wmv wmv
>
> ???
>
> Repeat after me: "Who put the tribbles in the quatro-triticale?!"
>
> (That makes about as much sense to you as your post does to me... :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> lol...what kind of server are you on, unix or NT ?

No clue. Jav Henderson -- a regular here on both .owning and .piloting --
kindly provides our web server.

I just upload my site to his computer, and voila! (If I had to guess, I'd
say unix...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jeff]

Ask him to add the Mime types for media player into the server for ya.
He should know where they go, its pretty basic.


Jay Honeck wrote:

> > lol...what kind of server are you on, unix or NT ?
>
> No clue. Jav Henderson -- a regular here on both .owning and .piloting --
> kindly provides our web server.
>
> I just upload my site to his computer, and voila! (If I had to guess, I'd
> say unix...)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Do What?]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:51:28 -0800, Jeff > wrote:

>how long ago, last week was when we sent them the check.
>
>
>Do What? wrote:
>
>> If their pantent held *any* weight, companies like Yahoo, MS, AOL, etc
>> would be the targets.
>
>actually this was asked of them during a live interview, their response was the law
>allows them certain latitude, they decided to go after websits because they can make
>more money.

Yeah, after receiving my "notice", I've come across quite a bit of
more-than-interesting info about this whole ordeal.

One thing that really stood out was their Q3 conference call last
week.... one of the shareholder asked if there was any open
litigation. Acacia's response, "no"
Pretty bold to mislead shareholders... and while Im not securities
guru, is this not against the law?

Funny thing is, that neither my sites, nor the sites I link to violate
their patent.....

[David Dyer-Bennet]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> > Yes, if your on a unix machine you need to add handlers to the srm.conf
> file,
> > they would look like:
> >
> > AddType video/x-ms-asf asf asx
> > AddType video/x-ms-wmv wmv
>
> ???
>
> Repeat after me: "Who put the tribbles in the quatro-triticale?!"
>
> (That makes about as much sense to you as your post does to me... :-)

Well, I can verify remotely that your site is being hosted on a unix
box (running Apache 1.3.27). Unless it's choosing to lie to people,
but that's rare.

What's being suggested above is that maybe the server isn't configured
to send the right mime type for those files (the browser should use
the mime type to determine how to display it; some also use other
things, and will override an incorrect mime type). Apache by default
does that by mapping the file extension to an appropriate mime type.
The statements above, in srm.conf (or any apache config file), would
tell it what mime types to use for .asf, .asx, and .wmv files.

Your friend doing the hosting could easily check that, and easily fix
it if that's the problem.
--
David Dyer-Bennet, >, <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
RKBA: <noguns-nomoney.com> <www.dd-b.net/carry/>
Photos: <dd-b.lighthunters.net> Snapshots: <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
Dragaera/Steven Brust: <dragaera.info/>

[Jay Honeck]

Thanks, David.

I've forwarded this thread to Jav, and we'll see what he can do.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"David Dyer-Bennet" > wrote in message
...
> "Jay Honeck" > writes:
>
> > > Yes, if your on a unix machine you need to add handlers to the
srm.conf
> > file,
> > > they would look like:
> > >
> > > AddType video/x-ms-asf asf asx
> > > AddType video/x-ms-wmv wmv
> >
> > ???
> >
> > Repeat after me: "Who put the tribbles in the quatro-triticale?!"
> >
> > (That makes about as much sense to you as your post does to me... :-)
>
> Well, I can verify remotely that your site is being hosted on a unix
> box (running Apache 1.3.27). Unless it's choosing to lie to people,
> but that's rare.
>
> What's being suggested above is that maybe the server isn't configured
> to send the right mime type for those files (the browser should use
> the mime type to determine how to display it; some also use other
> things, and will override an incorrect mime type). Apache by default
> does that by mapping the file extension to an appropriate mime type.
> The statements above, in srm.conf (or any apache config file), would
> tell it what mime types to use for .asf, .asx, and .wmv files.
>
> Your friend doing the hosting could easily check that, and easily fix
> it if that's the problem.
> --
> David Dyer-Bennet, >, <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
> RKBA: <noguns-nomoney.com> <www.dd-b.net/carry/>
> Photos: <dd-b.lighthunters.net> Snapshots:
<www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
> Dragaera/Steven Brust: <dragaera.info/>

[Jeff]

FreeBSD is what I am running also on one of my servers.
I am pretty sure he can fix his problem by just editing his .htaccess and adding
the lines in there instead of having server admin do it.

Jeff

David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

> "Jay Honeck" > writes:
>
> > > Yes, if your on a unix machine you need to add handlers to the srm.conf
> > file,
> > > they would look like:
> > >
> > > AddType video/x-ms-asf asf asx
> > > AddType video/x-ms-wmv wmv
> >
> > ???
> >
> > Repeat after me: "Who put the tribbles in the quatro-triticale?!"
> >
> > (That makes about as much sense to you as your post does to me... :-)
>
> Well, I can verify remotely that your site is being hosted on a unix
> box (running Apache 1.3.27). Unless it's choosing to lie to people,
> but that's rare.
>
> What's being suggested above is that maybe the server isn't configured
> to send the right mime type for those files (the browser should use
> the mime type to determine how to display it; some also use other
> things, and will override an incorrect mime type). Apache by default
> does that by mapping the file extension to an appropriate mime type.
> The statements above, in srm.conf (or any apache config file), would
> tell it what mime types to use for .asf, .asx, and .wmv files.
>
> Your friend doing the hosting could easily check that, and easily fix
> it if that's the problem.
> --
> David Dyer-Bennet, >, <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
> RKBA: <noguns-nomoney.com> <www.dd-b.net/carry/>
> Photos: <dd-b.lighthunters.net> Snapshots: <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
> Dragaera/Steven Brust: <dragaera.info/>

[Jeff]

They have been sending this letter to sites that have shut down, sites that dont have
video and so on.
I may be able to direct you to alot of other information on acacia and the people who are
fighting it, but you seen to want to be anonymous on here for some reason and most of the
stuff on this I wont post to a newsgroup or on a msg board because believe it or not,
acacia reads some of it and some of it just dont need posted here.
shoot me an E-mail if you want

I just pulled this from a msg board of a guy who called them today:
-------------------------
After a 2nd phone conversation with those people, I was told the following:

Me:
Ok, now I have taken out the 23 links from my sites which led to videos. Can you send me
a letter stating that I am not infringing your so called patent?

Acacia:
No, that is not possible, you are linking to galleries which contain pictures and
banners, when those banners are clicked, they take you to sites which offer membership
for picture and video content.

Me:
You must be kidding me!!! I can't link to site or galleries with movies on it, and now
you claim I can't link to picture galleries which promote a sponsor which offers videos
and pics?????

Acacia:
That is correct.

Me:
Well, then I will put the movies links on my site and you'll see me in court.

END

Those Acacia people are incredible!!!!!

-------------------

Do What? wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:51:28 -0800, Jeff > wrote:
>
> >how long ago, last week was when we sent them the check.
> >
> >
> >Do What? wrote:
> >
> >> If their pantent held *any* weight, companies like Yahoo, MS, AOL, etc
> >> would be the targets.
> >
> >actually this was asked of them during a live interview, their response was the law
> >allows them certain latitude, they decided to go after websits because they can make
> >more money.
>
> Yeah, after receiving my "notice", I've come across quite a bit of
> more-than-interesting info about this whole ordeal.
>
> One thing that really stood out was their Q3 conference call last
> week.... one of the shareholder asked if there was any open
> litigation. Acacia's response, "no"
> Pretty bold to mislead shareholders... and while Im not securities
> guru, is this not against the law?
>
> Funny thing is, that neither my sites, nor the sites I link to violate
> their patent.....

[David Dyer-Bennet]

[top-posting fixed]

Jeff > writes:

> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>
> > "Jay Honeck" > writes:
> >
> > > > Yes, if your on a unix machine you need to add handlers to the srm.conf
> > > file,
> > > > they would look like:
> > > >
> > > > AddType video/x-ms-asf asf asx
> > > > AddType video/x-ms-wmv wmv
> > >
> > > ???
> > >
> > > Repeat after me: "Who put the tribbles in the quatro-triticale?!"
> > >
> > > (That makes about as much sense to you as your post does to me... :-)
> >
[snip more explanation]
> > Your friend doing the hosting could easily check that, and easily fix
> > it if that's the problem.

> FreeBSD is what I am running also on one of my servers. I am pretty
> sure he can fix his problem by just editing his .htaccess and adding
> the lines in there instead of having server admin do it.

I believe that's true -- but Jay said he "just uploads his files" to the
server, indicating a *really* minimal knowledge of config details I
suspect.
--
David Dyer-Bennet, >, <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
RKBA: <noguns-nomoney.com> <www.dd-b.net/carry/>
Photos: <dd-b.lighthunters.net> Snapshots: <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
Dragaera/Steven Brust: <dragaera.info/>

[Jay Honeck]

> I believe that's true -- but Jay said he "just uploads his files" to the
> server, indicating a *really* minimal knowledge of config details I
> suspect.

Man, you got THAT right. All I care is that it works -- I'll leave it up to
guys like you to *make* it work. ;-)

I emailed Jav with your posts, and he has agreed to make the recommended
changes. The site is "down" as I'm writing this, so I presume he's working
on it right now.

Thanks, guys!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Corky Scott]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:57:57 -0500, "G.R. Patterson III"
> wrote:

>
>
>Jay Honeck wrote:
>>
>> Uh-oh. Anyone here care to help me solve THIS one?
>
>Probably not your problem. Ask Corky Scott if he can run it with *his* version
>of Netscape. If so, forget about it.
>
>George Patterson
> You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

I don't run it in Netscape, my default browser is Internet Explorer.
I finally managed to download the thing to my computer so I don't have
to worry about the website cutting visitors off because the monthly
quota of visitors was exceeded.

I usually run the clip several times a day. I think it's hilarious.

Don't ask me questions about computers or computer programs, I'm a
user, not a software designer. I usually learn just enough to do what
I need to do and halt the learning process there.

Corky Scott

[gatt]

> > Good God. I just can't imagine who would do that.
>
> It really IS insane, isn't it?
>
> That's what makes it so incredible.
>
> Big John -- or VLenoch -- you reading this? Care to comment on this crazy
> Spitfire driver's pass?

Whew. For awhile there, reading the thread, I thought I must have posted to
comp.video.geeks and not rec.aviation...

:>

Anybody know about that flyby? Did he take off and retract his gear or did
he actually get down that low with his gear up?

-c

[gatt]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message > > What
airplane was it?
>
> Judging from the radiators, it's a Spitfire Mk IX.

That's what I guessed. It matches the painting on my living room wall.

That reporter got one hell of a haircut!

-c

[gatt]

"Corky Scott" > wrote in message

> I read an explanation in another group.

Alright! Thanks for the info, Mr. Scott!

> Here's an additional detail: the pilot of the Spitfire is a guy who
> flies it in shows a lot and has the reputation for flying extremely
> low. If you watch the approach carefully, you'll notice that the guy
> is so low, he actually has to climb a bit to clear the camera crew.
> His prop disc, at one point, appears to be only about four feet above
> the turf.

Yeah....I was looking at it frame by frame and looking at a Spit model I
had, and comparing wingspan dimensions and stuff to try to determine the
prop diameter and, thus, his "altitude."
Turns out it's difficult to find the prop diameter of a Spit if you don't
have immediate access to a bookstore.

> It was a pass in which the Spitfire circles out of camera view, and
> dives down to begin the approach. He isn't taking off and climbing
> out right over the crew.

Crazycrazy. That's Bob Hoover crazy, except Bob Hoover isn't actually
crazy.

-c

[Morgans]

"gatt" > wrote in message
...
>
> > > Good God. I just can't imagine who would do that.
> >
> > It really IS insane, isn't it?
> >
> > That's what makes it so incredible.
> >
> > Big John -- or VLenoch -- you reading this? Care to comment on this
crazy
> > Spitfire driver's pass?
>
> Whew. For awhile there, reading the thread, I thought I must have posted
to
> comp.video.geeks and not rec.aviation...
>
> :>
>
> Anybody know about that flyby? Did he take off and retract his gear or
did
> he actually get down that low with his gear up?
>
> -c
>
>

Someone that seemed to know said that he took off and circled back around,
and that he is very practiced at low passes.
--
Jim in NC

[Dave]

> >
> > > > Good God. I just can't imagine who would do that.
> > >
> > > It really IS insane, isn't it?
> > >
> > > That's what makes it so incredible.
> > >
> > > Big John -- or VLenoch -- you reading this? Care to comment on this
> crazy
> > > Spitfire driver's pass?
> >
> > Whew. For awhile there, reading the thread, I thought I must have
posted
> to
> > comp.video.geeks and not rec.aviation...
> >
> > :>
> >
> > Anybody know about that flyby? Did he take off and retract his gear or
> did
> > he actually get down that low with his gear up?
> >
> > -c
> >
> >
>
> Someone that seemed to know said that he took off and circled back around,
> and that he is very practiced at low passes.
> --

He would have had to get permission from the CAA to fly like that as he is
clearly breaking the 500 foot rule. Generally permission is give to only a
select number (a handful) of pilots most of whom also fly the planes for the
movies.

These planes are too valuable to let any cowboy fly them. The pilots would
have to be CPLs at the least with a class 1 medical. There is no way a PPL
could do this legally. Insurance would also be extremely expensive.

Make no mistake, this stunt would have to have set up in meticulous detail
and agreed with the authorities.

Sort of spoils the fun.

[Jay Honeck]

> Make no mistake, this stunt would have to have set up in meticulous detail
> and agreed with the authorities.
>
> Sort of spoils the fun.

True, except the fun comes from the unexpected reaction of the host! :-)

I don't think any advance prep work could prepare a guy for a close
encounter with death like *that*...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:y26pb.83950$HS4.686079@attbi_s01...
> > Make no mistake, this stunt would have to have set up in meticulous
detail
> > and agreed with the authorities.
> >
> > Sort of spoils the fun.
>
> True, except the fun comes from the unexpected reaction of the host! :-)
>
> I don't think any advance prep work could prepare a guy for a close
> encounter with death like *that*...
> --

Perception of death more than the reality.

If it had been that close the cameraman and sound crew would also have been
out of sight rather than keeping the cameras and sound rolling in such a
controlled manner.

I suspect that the presenter was under prepared for what was going to
happen. The crew would have set up their marks in the absence of the
presenter and had a couple of run throughs with the pilot. This would have
enabled the pilot to identify his marks so that he could fly an accurate
line too both for height and direction.

Without that there would have been a big chance of the Spitfire going out of
shot. As the Spitfire stayed in shot with very little adjustment of the
camera crew it shows that the stunt had been meticulously planned and
executed. The only problem it seems would have been the unpreparedness of
the presenter.

Sorry to be such a kill joy but the near death nature was a perception not a
reality. Otherwise there would have been a pilot prosecuted and there was
not. An official from the CAA would have likely been there to observe that
the stunts were being done in line with the dispensation.

Dave

[G.R. Patterson III]

Dave wrote:
>
> If it had been that close the cameraman and sound crew would also have been
> out of sight rather than keeping the cameras and sound rolling in such a
> controlled manner.

Perhaps it was the sight of the cameraman diving for cover that prompted the
narrator to turn around?

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

[Brian Burger]

On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Jay Honeck wrote:

> > Make no mistake, this stunt would have to have set up in meticulous detail
> > and agreed with the authorities.
> >
> > Sort of spoils the fun.
>
> True, except the fun comes from the unexpected reaction of the host! :-)

I can just imagine that, after the pilot & camera guys had worked out the
stunt, the host arrived to do his bit and was told, "Stand here, and the
plane will be doing a low pass from behind your left shoulder toward the
camera."

Mr. Host figures that means ten feet alt. or so, and thus his reaction to
the lawnmower pass!

> I don't think any advance prep work could prepare a guy for a close
> encounter with death like *that*...

I'd say he knew the plane would be doing the pass from behind him toward
the camera, but not how insanely low the Spit was going to be!

Cool clip, regardless!

Brian.

[Dylan Smith]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:26:03 -0800, Jeff > wrote:
<snippage: patents>

Patents are becoming a real problem in the technology field. So many
patents with very little merit are being allowed to pass.

The intent of the patent system is to encourage innovation by granting
temporary monopolies. But the invention must be novel, and not obvious
to someone ordinary skilled in the art amongst other things.

The trouble is many software patents don't meet this test. This Acacia
one is just one of hundreds that are making software developers sigh
all over the world (well, all over the USA at least). Amazon, for
example, have a patent on buying stuff with one click - something
that is so obvious that many many web developers have simultaneously
and independently 'invented' it. Just Amazon patented it first, and
the patent examiners aren't sufficiently skilled (and don't have
sufficient time) to see that it's obvious to someone ordinarily
skilled in the art - or that it has prior art. Unfortunately once
a patent has been granted, it is so expensive to get it thrown out
that most companies choose to roll over like giant twinkies and
cough up the licensing money. Patents in the software world, far
from encouraging innovation, are stifling innovation. Not because
the patent laws are bad, but because the USPTO are more or less
rubber stamping obvious 'inventions'. It's virtually impossible
to write a program - even a simple shell script - without infringing
a meritless software patent.

At least the issue seems to be getting a bit of airtime outside the
software world now - and maybe some pressure will be forthcoming
to make it easier to throw out bad patents and raise the bar on
what can be patented.

Now European countries are headed down the same insane route. Let's
hope that patent offices in Europe hire people who can see obvious
things and throw them out, but I hold out very little hope indeed.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Peter Duniho]

"Dylan Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Patents are becoming a real problem in the technology field. So many
> patents with very little merit are being allowed to pass.

For what it's worth, it's not just the technology field.

A recent example in the aviation industry is the ridiculous "spar doubler"
patent filed for and granted to Aerofab, the company that (at the time) made
Lake aircraft. That patent is under review currently, and one hopes the
patent office will see the error of their ways, but for now it's still in
force.

As near as I can tell, the patent office has decided that it is too much
trouble to do any work in evaluating a patent application for anything other
than having the right basic format. They appear to be figuring that if a
patent is invalid, someone will find out later in a lawsuit.

Of course, lawsuits are expensive, often much more expensive than just
rolling over on a threatened lawsuit and paying whatever extortion the
patent holder asks for. IMHO, the patent office is abdicating their
responsibility to the public, and in the process creating a significant
economic overhead on all variety of industries through their lackadaisical
approach to patent approvals.

My apologies if this post in any way brought the thread back to being
on-topic, or nearly so. :)

Pete

p.s. What's up with people still using the obsolete "rec.aviation"
newsgroup? Or the .misc, for that matter? Who reads .misc?

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:43:39 -0000, (Dylan
Smith) wrote in Message-Id: >:

>Not because the patent laws are bad, but because the USPTO are more or
>less rubber stamping obvious 'inventions'.

How about these "non obvious" patented devices: :-)



US5755184: Pet exerciser and toy device:

A Pet Exerciser and Toy Device consisting of an Attractor made of
brightly colored silicone rubber strips attached to a high tensile
strength steel Wire Member which is in turn embedded into a Handle
Member that is manipulated by a human hand to entice the pet to
attack. This device uses the pet's natural instincts of stalking,
pouncing, leaping, and rebounding to provide much needed exercise to
seldom used muscles. This also allows the pet and human to reaffirm
their relationship in a positive manner.




US6543391: Pet exerciser:

Abstract: A large pet exerciser utilizes but two readily available
major components. One is a galvanized pipe or post embedded in
concrete. The other major component is an extension or tension spring
having a loop or ring on each end. The spring is anchored in the top
of the post by means of one loop while a leash is connected to the
other or extending top loop. The spring not only elongates when
subject to tensile forces, but being mostly free of the post flexes or
bends laterally of the post axis in any azimuth or direction. Both
actions of the spring exert a bias on any pull by a pet secured to a
leash in turn secured to the top or projecting end of the spring. This
provides significant decelerating strain relief.

[Geoff Semler]

Could someone send me the URL, I missed the original post.

TIA

Geoff

"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

>> Make no mistake, this stunt would have to have set up in meticulous detail
>> and agreed with the authorities.
>>
>> Sort of spoils the fun.
>
>True, except the fun comes from the unexpected reaction of the host! :-)
>
>I don't think any advance prep work could prepare a guy for a close
>encounter with death like *that*...

[Aardvark]

Geoff Semler wrote:
> Could someone send me the URL, I missed the original post.
>
> TIA
>
> Geoff
>
http://alexisparkinn.com/oh_my_god.htm


WW

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 16:52:16 +0000, Geoff Semler
> wrote:

>Could someone send me the URL, I missed the original post.

This link, when placed all on one line in your web browser, should
bring you all 92 posts in this thread:

<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=NLenb.42602%24Tr4.87651%40attbi_s03&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dinsane%2Bspitfire%2Bclip%26btnG%3DGoogle%2 BSearch%26meta%3D>

Marty

[Trentus]

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 16:52:16 +0000, Geoff Semler
> > wrote:
>
> >Could someone send me the URL, I missed the original post.
>
> This link, when placed all on one line in your web browser, should
> bring you all 92 posts in this thread:
>
>
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=NLenb.4
2602%24Tr4.87651%40attbi_s03&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUT
F-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dinsane%2Bspitfire%2Bclip%26btnG%3DGoogle%2 BSearch%26m
eta%3D>

Yeah, and so wil this one http://tinyurl.com/ucok