You wonder when its all going to end!

[Dave]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/3213403.stm

[Montblack]

("Dave" wrote)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/3213403.stm

1. Israel has security that makes ours look silly - plus they profile,
profile, profile.
2. Bad things happen in Israel (boom!) ...though you seldom hear of attacks
at Israeli airports or on Israeli airplanes.

3. It won't end. It's just getting started.
4. Flatulent, life-size mechanical terrier is ....funny.

--
Montblack

"Styled by the laws of nature.............Concorde"

[John Gaquin]

>>you wonder when its all going to end<<

When the war's over, I guess. I suspect there were lots of folk in Britain
in '41 and '42 asking the same question.

JG

[Don Tuite]

Hey, I'm as skeptical of post 9/11 security measures as anybody, and
I'm not sure why you all think the TSA guys were out of line on this
one. Technology-wise, the damn dog sounds like just about as perfect
a ploy for masking explosive signatures from a portable mass-spec or
gas chromatograph as anybody could ask for.

Don

[Judah]

In a sense, the gas-passing dog was indeed "explosive"!

"Dave" > wrote in news:bnjv96$dr8$1
@news8.svr.pol.co.uk:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/3213403.stm

[Judah]

War? Over? HAHAHAHAHA!

A war is defined as "A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict
carried on between nations, states, or parties." (American Heritage
Dictionary.)

"The terrorists" don't have a nation, a state, or a party. How can we win
a "war" against people who hide themselves in the cover of our allies?
How can we win a "war" against people who are willing to fight to the
death for their position, and whose position is simply the destruction of
anything and anyone that does not believe the way they do?

Let them build their own country so that they can organize and collect
there. Let them create their nation, and THEN, if they still want to take
over the world, we can properly go to war with them, and destroy them as
necessary...

Right now, we have a hunt for explosive needles in various haystacks, and
as quickly as we can find one, the next one blows up in our face...

The "War on Terror" is a farce, and civilization cannot win with
conventional warfare tactics.


[removing self from soapbox now.]


"John Gaquin" > wrote in
:

>>>you wonder when its all going to end<<
>
> When the war's over, I guess. I suspect there were lots of folk in
> Britain in '41 and '42 asking the same question.
>
> JG

[Ron Natalie]

"Judah" > wrote in message ...
> In a sense, the gas-passing dog was indeed "explosive"!
>
> "Dave" > wrote in news:bnjv96$dr8$1
> @news8.svr.pol.co.uk:
>
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/3213403.stm
>

Well this was after they got the alert to look out for exploding teddy bears.

[Dave]

"John Gaquin" > wrote in message
...
> >>you wonder when its all going to end<<
>
> When the war's over, I guess. I suspect there were lots of folk in
Britain
> in '41 and '42 asking the same question.

Funny thing about terrorism, how it looks depends on where you are looking
from.

Many people in the US thought that supporting Irish terrorists was a good
thing except that they did not think of them as terrorists.

Not much difference between the Irish fighting the British and the
Palestinians fighting the Israelis. In distant places it is easy to
postulate.

When its your main street that gets bombed and people you know get hurt, and
when its your brother defusing bombs it tends to get personal.

My brother spent nearly 20 years diffusing Irish bombs in Ulster and England
playing a cat and mouse game with the terrorists before he quit.

It interesting therefore to observe American reactions to terrorism post
9/11. If you want to know the truth, there is no security regime around that
can protect you without the US becoming a police state. Besides which you
probably have more chance of being killed by some nut with gun that
terrorists. But if all those tax dollars being spent makes you feel secure
great.

Terrorists follow the rules - until the last moment. They are not great law
breakers. They blend into the community so unless you begin segregation,
establishing ghettos etc etc you will not know who is and who is not a
terrorist. Believe it or not they don't go around with a sign on their heads
saying terrorist.

Sorry if this all sounds patronising but the terrorists always win. See what
they have done to the US. All the post 9/11 chaos. The terrorists have
achieved that. They won in Ulster , they won in Palestine in 1948, they won
in Vietnam too and they won in South Africa.

Today's terrorist is tomorrow's hero.

Dave

[Montblack]

("Dave" wrote)
> Sorry if this all sounds patronising but the terrorists always win. See
what
> they have done to the US. All the post 9/11 chaos. The terrorists have
> achieved that. They won in Ulster , they won in Palestine in 1948, they
won
> in Vietnam too and they won in South Africa.
>
> Today's terrorist is tomorrow's hero.

They're having a tough time getting the upper hand in China.

--
Montblack

[Dave]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Dave" wrote)
> > Sorry if this all sounds patronising but the terrorists always win. See
> what
> > they have done to the US. All the post 9/11 chaos. The terrorists have
> > achieved that. They won in Ulster , they won in Palestine in 1948, they
> won
> > in Vietnam too and they won in South Africa.
> >
> > Today's terrorist is tomorrow's hero.
>
> They're having a tough time getting the upper hand in China.

I'm with the Chinese Govt on that in keeping the lid on China, they are
doing a good job looking after my lifestyle. Just think what it would be
like with 1 billion Chinese on the move.

[Carl J. Hixon]

I have often wondered what is going to happen when my Winchester bag gets
swabbed!! I carry it on as my overnight bag. The also use the bag to hold
all of my spent shells when I go shooting. It has to be HOT HOT HOT.

[Montblack]

Communism is Al Capone winning in Chicago, then eventually running an entire
country.

Given enough freedoms, 1% of those billion Chinese might want planes. That's
10 million plane buyers. Either the used Cessna market is going to go
through the roof or they'll make their own darn plane. Hell, everything
brought home from the hardware store, or K-mart is made in China these
days - why not the next generation planes?

--
Montblack
"Just the usual inanity"

"Dave"
> I'm with the Chinese Govt on that in keeping the lid on China, they are
> doing a good job looking after my lifestyle. Just think what it would be
> like with 1 billion Chinese on the move.

[Paul Sengupta]

When I was in China, I tried to find a flying club to do some
flying. The customer I was working for knew of a few places.
One was a GA flying club, but they didn't have any planes
after their last one crashed a few years ago! :-) They had
microlight (ultralight) clubs, but I'm too big for those, so I
declined. The other option was military...this guy had quite
a few friends who were pilots in the airforce. They even said
they'd take me for a ride in one of their jets, but they checked
with their superiors and were told no.

http://www.china.org.cn/english/2002/Aug/39996.htm

There is a large club/school here:
http://hx.ayinfo.ha.cn/index2.htm

And they are making their own aircraft:
http://www.china.org.cn/english/scitech/78433.htm
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200303/04/eng20030304_112688.shtml

Seen others reported from shows too, singles and twins.

Paul

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> Given enough freedoms, 1% of those billion Chinese might want planes.
That's
> 10 million plane buyers. Either the used Cessna market is going to go
> through the roof or they'll make their own darn plane.

[John Harlow]

> I have often wondered what is going to happen when my Winchester bag gets
> swabbed!! I carry it on as my overnight bag. The also use the bag to
hold
> all of my spent shells when I go shooting. It has to be HOT HOT HOT.

lol - ok, so you already know it may cause a problem - possibly holding up
the entire flight - and yet you still use it?

[Carl J. Hixon]

> lol - ok, so you already know it may cause a problem - possibly holding up
> the entire flight - and yet you still use it?

Well, nobody has given me $30 for a new bag yet. Besides, I never check
baggage and it shouldn't hold up the flight, just me. Last time I travelled
I had it with me and they swabbed my computer case and hand inspected my
Winchester bag because of my Eddie Bauer shoes with thick soles. I do need
to buy a new bag but I'm just so darn cheap and I'd rather spend it on my
motorcycles or get current!

[John Harlow]

> I do need
> to buy a new bag but I'm just so darn cheap and I'd rather spend it on my
> motorcycles or get current!

hehe - at least you have your priorities straight!