Grob Value?

[Charlie Papa[_2_]]

It is time to renew the insurance on a Grob Twin Astir T (fixed gear)
and a Grob 103 Twin II Acro, both in very good shape with ~3000 hurs,
and new interiors.

I have just returned from the SSA convention, and there was a lot of
chatter about the escalating values of twins. I would appreciate
informed opinions on the value of such gliders in today's market.

Charles Peteresen
Freedom's Wings Canada

[Tim Taylor]

On Feb 6, 5:24*pm, Charlie Papa > wrote:
> It is time to renew the insurance on a Grob Twin Astir T (fixed gear)
> and a Grob 103 Twin II Acro, both in very good shape with ~3000 hurs,
> and new interiors.
>
> I have just returned from the SSA convention, and there was a lot of
> chatter about the escalating values of twins. *I would appreciate
> informed opinions on the value of such gliders in today's market.
>
> Charles Peteresen
> Freedom's Wings Canada

Big factor in Grob value is useful load. Can make as much as $20k
difference in price.

[Larry Suter]

On Feb 6, 8:43*pm, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
> On Feb 6, 5:24*pm, Charlie Papa > wrote:
>
> > It is time to renew the insurance on a Grob Twin Astir T (fixed gear)
> > and a Grob 103 Twin II Acro, both in very good shape with ~3000 hurs,
> > and new interiors.
>
> > I have just returned from the SSA convention, and there was a lot of
> > chatter about the escalating values of twins. *I would appreciate
> > informed opinions on the value of such gliders in today's market.
>
> > Charles Peteresen
> > Freedom's Wings Canada
>
> appx $25K-$35K depending on condition and payload seems to be the
> current asking rate with a few higher/lower due to payload, damage, or
> other considerations. *Always insure against replacement cost, never
> under insure.
>
> Frank Whiteley

If you have a Grob-103s in good condition for sale at $25-35K, we'd be
happy to take it off your hands. Except someone else would beat us to
it. My informal market survey (regular follower of Wings & Wheels)
indicates the market for two place ships has dried up since the Blanik
AD grounded all the L-13 trainers.

Larry

[Frank Whiteley]

On Feb 7, 10:10*pm, Larry Suter > wrote:
> On Feb 6, 8:43*pm, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
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> > On Feb 6, 5:24*pm, Charlie Papa > wrote:
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> > > It is time to renew the insurance on a Grob Twin Astir T (fixed gear)
> > > and a Grob 103 Twin II Acro, both in very good shape with ~3000 hurs,
> > > and new interiors.
>
> > > I have just returned from the SSA convention, and there was a lot of
> > > chatter about the escalating values of twins. *I would appreciate
> > > informed opinions on the value of such gliders in today's market.
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> > > Charles Peteresen
> > > Freedom's Wings Canada
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> > appx $25K-$35K depending on condition and payload seems to be the
> > current asking rate with a few higher/lower due to payload, damage, or
> > other considerations. *Always insure against replacement cost, never
> > under insure.
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> > Frank Whiteley
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> If you have a Grob-103s in good condition for sale at $25-35K, we'd be
> happy to take it off your hands. Except someone else would beat us to
> it. My informal market survey (regular follower of Wings & Wheels)
> indicates the market for two place ships has dried up since the Blanik
> AD grounded all the L-13 trainers.
>
> Larry

You need to shop the European markets.

Frank

[Gustavo Andreoni]

We looking a Grob to buy, you are interested in selling?

thnaks

On Feb 7, 10:10*pm, Larry Suter wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:43*pm, Frank Whiteley wrote:









On Feb 6, 5:24*pm, Charlie Papa wrote:

It is time to renew the insurance on a Grob Twin Astir T (fixed gear)
and a Grob 103 Twin II Acro, both in very good shape with ~3000 hurs,
and new interiors.

I have just returned from the SSA convention, and there was a lot of
chatter about the escalating values of twins. *I would appreciate
informed opinions on the value of such gliders in today's market.

Charles Peteresen
Freedom's Wings Canada

appx $25K-$35K depending on condition and payload seems to be the
current asking rate with a few higher/lower due to payload, damage, or
other considerations. *Always insure against replacement cost, never
under insure.

Frank Whiteley

If you have a Grob-103s in good condition for sale at $25-35K, we'd be
happy to take it off your hands. Except someone else would beat us to
it. My informal market survey (regular follower of Wings & Wheels)
indicates the market for two place ships has dried up since the Blanik
AD grounded all the L-13 trainers.

Larry

You need to shop the European markets.

Frank

[Papa3[_2_]]

On Monday, February 6, 2012 7:24:01 PM UTC-5, Charlie Papa wrote:
> It is time to renew the insurance on a Grob Twin Astir T (fixed gear)
> and a Grob 103 Twin II Acro, both in very good shape with ~3000 hurs,
> and new interiors.
>
> I have just returned from the SSA convention, and there was a lot of
> chatter about the escalating values of twins. I would appreciate
> informed opinions on the value of such gliders in today's market.
>
> Charles Peteresen
> Freedom's Wings Canada

Hi Charles,

I'm very late in responding; I just noticed your post. I recently went through exactly this exercise. As you've already noticed, there is virtually no inventory in the US/Canada, so it's very hard to find a meaningful price. My club bought a Twin Astir last year for $22K including trailer. It was mechanically sound but cosmetically awful (gelcoat coming off in chunks). 600 hours of labor later (I'll be writing this up for Soaring soon), we have a DIY refinished glider with beautiful Urethane-painted wings and partially refinished fuselage. I just insured it for $38K with $2K for the so-so homebuilt steel trailer. I think it would be very difficult to find a good (forget about great) condition G103 for any less than $35K for the glider itself. There are ships in Europe, but by the time you figure exchange rate, deregistration, shipping, importing, etc., you still end up at $35K or more.

Email back if you want any more documentation.

Erik Mann
P3