Important message about transponder use

[Fred[_5_]]

Just got the following from Gordon Boettger. Please pass along as
appropriate. Fred

========================

Folks,
Just spent the day at OAK ARTCC. They keep emphasizing that for
safety reasons all gliders "should" (highly recommended) squawk around
the RNO area. They said that chunk of airspace still scares the hell
out of them. They mentioned that they're still seeing a lot of
nonsquawkers out there. When they're dealing with nonsquawking
targets that suddenly disappear from their screen near an arriving/
departing aircraft, it not only makes them really nervous, but their
workload goes up and makes their job much harder. Although I wasn't
dealing with NORCAL, OAK ARTCC handles all arrivals in/out of RNO
above FL190. The approach plates for all the approaches into RNO have
a large note saying "EXTENSIVE GLIDER OPERATIONS UP TO FL180" but that
doesn't guarantee anything. I CANNOT OVEREMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF
THE NEED TO SQUAWK WITH MODE C WHENEVER AIRBORNE when flying from
airports around the Reno area. It's pretty simple. Turn the bloody
transponder on before takeoff just as one would the radio and leave it
on. That way you won't forget it airborne. Plus, that will allow us
glider guys that have a PCAS device or FLARM to see those that don't
have FLARM or PCAS. There's no excuse anymore for not having and
using a transponder. It doesn't matter if you're flying a 1-26 or an
ASW-27. If you don't have a transponder yet, GET ONE. If we have
another glider swapping paint with someone, we'll be having some major
problems with soaring in our future.
I'm not sure what's going on with the squawk code issue, but whether
it's 1202 or 0440, whatever you have dialed in they'll see you. My
routine is to always call NORCAL on the radio too and make sure I'm in
radar contact. After all, although I have my transponder on doesn't
mean that they necessarily see me or my altitude. It might not be
working properly. I usually get a mode C check while I'm talking to
them. I'm always aware of their arrivals (north/south) into RNO and
if I ever get near their departure/arrival corridor, I state my
intentions. They seem to really like that.
Please pass this on to as many people that you know.
Thanks,
Gordo

[Dave Nadler]

Amen. And please get a Mode S transponder !
Lower power consumption and will work in gaggles.
No big difference in cost.
See ya, Dave "YO electric"

[JJ Sinclair[_2_]]

On Feb 16, 7:26*am, Fred > wrote:
> Just got the following from Gordon Boettger. *Please pass along as
> appropriate. *Fred
>
> ========================
>
> Folks,
> Just spent the day at OAK ARTCC. *They keep emphasizing that for
> safety reasons all gliders "should" (highly recommended) squawk around
> the RNO area. *They said that chunk of airspace still scares the hell
> out of them. *They mentioned that they're still seeing a lot of
> nonsquawkers out there. *When they're dealing with nonsquawking
> targets that suddenly disappear from their screen near an arriving/
> departing aircraft, it not only makes them really nervous, but their
> workload goes up and makes their job much harder. *Although I wasn't
> dealing with NORCAL, OAK ARTCC handles all arrivals in/out of RNO
> above FL190. *The approach plates for all the approaches into RNO have
> a large note saying "EXTENSIVE GLIDER OPERATIONS UP TO FL180" but that
> doesn't guarantee anything. *I CANNOT OVEREMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF
> THE NEED TO SQUAWK WITH MODE C WHENEVER AIRBORNE when flying from
> airports around the Reno area. *It's pretty simple. *Turn the bloody
> transponder on before takeoff just as one would the radio and leave it
> on. That way you won't forget it airborne. *Plus, that will allow us
> glider guys that have a PCAS device or FLARM to see those that don't
> have FLARM or PCAS. *There's no excuse anymore for not having and
> using a transponder. *It doesn't matter if you're flying a 1-26 or an
> ASW-27. *If you don't have a transponder yet, GET ONE. *If we have
> another glider swapping paint with someone, we'll be having some major
> problems with soaring in our future.
> I'm not sure what's going on with the squawk code issue, but whether
> it's 1202 or 0440, whatever you have dialed in they'll see you. *My
> routine is to always call NORCAL on the radio too and make sure I'm in
> radar contact. *After all, although I have my transponder on doesn't
> mean that they necessarily see me or my altitude. *It might not be
> working properly. *I usually get a mode C check while I'm talking to
> them. *I'm always aware of their arrivals (north/south) into RNO and
> if I ever get near their departure/arrival corridor, I state my
> intentions. *They seem to really like that.
> Please pass this on to as many people that you know.
> Thanks,
> Gordo

Roger that, Gordo!
last year all 15 contestants flying the Air Sailing contest were
transponder equipped and we called Reno each morning to tell them were
the fleet was headed that day. I'm sure the Open Nats flying out of
Minden will do the same and I'm betting they all have transponders
too. Too bad we can't get our SSA to recommend transponders for all
members flying around places like Reno, but they can't even adopt a
position that calls for all members to get a RADIO.
Your on your own, keep your eyes open and transponders on.
JJ

[Darryl Ramm]

I hope that transponders are a requirement for that Minden contest. And yes I am not aware that a CD can require transponders, but peer pressure can do amazing things. And there is no excuse for open class toys not to be equipped with transponders and enough battery capacity. Holding a contest in the Reno area without a transponder equipped glider (and towplane) fleet would be a risk. We've had a few too many incidents with non-transponder equipped gliders there already. If something happens, even if not the glider pilots or organizers technical fault, the SSA, contest organizers etc. would likely be damned by the media and general public.

Not flying in places like around Reno, I don't care what you do, and we certainly don't need rules or regulations to force transponders on other folks.. But choose to fly in these high density/fast-jet traffic areas and we need pilots to carry and use transponders.

Darryl

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On Feb 16, 1:18*pm, JJ Sinclair > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 7:26*am, Fred > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Just got the following from Gordon Boettger. *Please pass along as
> > appropriate. *Fred
>
> > ========================
>
> > Folks,
> > Just spent the day at OAK ARTCC. *They keep emphasizing that for
> > safety reasons all gliders "should" (highly recommended) squawk around
> > the RNO area. *They said that chunk of airspace still scares the hell
> > out of them. *They mentioned that they're still seeing a lot of
> > nonsquawkers out there. *When they're dealing with nonsquawking
> > targets that suddenly disappear from their screen near an arriving/
> > departing aircraft, it not only makes them really nervous, but their
> > workload goes up and makes their job much harder. *Although I wasn't
> > dealing with NORCAL, OAK ARTCC handles all arrivals in/out of RNO
> > above FL190. *The approach plates for all the approaches into RNO have
> > a large note saying "EXTENSIVE GLIDER OPERATIONS UP TO FL180" but that
> > doesn't guarantee anything. *I CANNOT OVEREMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF
> > THE NEED TO SQUAWK WITH MODE C WHENEVER AIRBORNE when flying from
> > airports around the Reno area. *It's pretty simple. *Turn the bloody
> > transponder on before takeoff just as one would the radio and leave it
> > on. That way you won't forget it airborne. *Plus, that will allow us
> > glider guys that have a PCAS device or FLARM to see those that don't
> > have FLARM or PCAS. *There's no excuse anymore for not having and
> > using a transponder. *It doesn't matter if you're flying a 1-26 or an
> > ASW-27. *If you don't have a transponder yet, GET ONE. *If we have
> > another glider swapping paint with someone, we'll be having some major
> > problems with soaring in our future.
> > I'm not sure what's going on with the squawk code issue, but whether
> > it's 1202 or 0440, whatever you have dialed in they'll see you. *My
> > routine is to always call NORCAL on the radio too and make sure I'm in
> > radar contact. *After all, although I have my transponder on doesn't
> > mean that they necessarily see me or my altitude. *It might not be
> > working properly. *I usually get a mode C check while I'm talking to
> > them. *I'm always aware of their arrivals (north/south) into RNO and
> > if I ever get near their departure/arrival corridor, I state my
> > intentions. *They seem to really like that.
> > Please pass this on to as many people that you know.
> > Thanks,
> > Gordo
>
> Roger that, Gordo!
> last year all 15 contestants flying the Air Sailing contest were
> transponder equipped and we called Reno each morning to tell them were
> the fleet was headed that day. I'm sure the Open Nats flying out of
> Minden will do the same and I'm betting they all have transponders
> too. Too bad we can't get our SSA to recommend transponders for all
> members flying around places like Reno, but they can't even adopt a
> position that calls for all members to get a RADIO.
> Your on your own, keep your eyes open and transponders on.
> JJ- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If the organizers wish to ask to be permitted to require transponders
for this event, the RC would certainly consider it carefully.
It requires a waiver request sent to UH or KM or both.
UH

[Sean Fidler]

Great post. I just bought a transponder today. Thx.

[Tom Kelley]

On Feb 17, 9:59*am, wrote:
> On Feb 16, 1:18*pm, JJ Sinclair > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 7:26*am, Fred > wrote:
>
> > > Just got the following from Gordon Boettger. *Please pass along as
> > > appropriate. *Fred
>
> > > ========================
>
> > > Folks,
> > > Just spent the day at OAK ARTCC. *They keep emphasizing that for
> > > safety reasons all gliders "should" (highly recommended) squawk around
> > > the RNO area. *They said that chunk of airspace still scares the hell
> > > out of them. *They mentioned that they're still seeing a lot of
> > > nonsquawkers out there. *When they're dealing with nonsquawking
> > > targets that suddenly disappear from their screen near an arriving/
> > > departing aircraft, it not only makes them really nervous, but their
> > > workload goes up and makes their job much harder. *Although I wasn't
> > > dealing with NORCAL, OAK ARTCC handles all arrivals in/out of RNO
> > > above FL190. *The approach plates for all the approaches into RNO have
> > > a large note saying "EXTENSIVE GLIDER OPERATIONS UP TO FL180" but that
> > > doesn't guarantee anything. *I CANNOT OVEREMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF
> > > THE NEED TO SQUAWK WITH MODE C WHENEVER AIRBORNE when flying from
> > > airports around the Reno area. *It's pretty simple. *Turn the bloody
> > > transponder on before takeoff just as one would the radio and leave it
> > > on. That way you won't forget it airborne. *Plus, that will allow us
> > > glider guys that have a PCAS device or FLARM to see those that don't
> > > have FLARM or PCAS. *There's no excuse anymore for not having and
> > > using a transponder. *It doesn't matter if you're flying a 1-26 or an
> > > ASW-27. *If you don't have a transponder yet, GET ONE. *If we have
> > > another glider swapping paint with someone, we'll be having some major
> > > problems with soaring in our future.
> > > I'm not sure what's going on with the squawk code issue, but whether
> > > it's 1202 or 0440, whatever you have dialed in they'll see you. *My
> > > routine is to always call NORCAL on the radio too and make sure I'm in
> > > radar contact. *After all, although I have my transponder on doesn't
> > > mean that they necessarily see me or my altitude. *It might not be
> > > working properly. *I usually get a mode C check while I'm talking to
> > > them. *I'm always aware of their arrivals (north/south) into RNO and
> > > if I ever get near their departure/arrival corridor, I state my
> > > intentions. *They seem to really like that.
> > > Please pass this on to as many people that you know.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Gordo
>
> > Roger that, Gordo!
> > last year all 15 contestants flying the Air Sailing contest were
> > transponder equipped and we called Reno each morning to tell them were
> > the fleet was headed that day. I'm sure the Open Nats flying out of
> > Minden will do the same and I'm betting they all have transponders
> > too. Too bad we can't get our SSA to recommend transponders for all
> > members flying around places like Reno, but they can't even adopt a
> > position that calls for all members to get a RADIO.
> > Your on your own, keep your eyes open and transponders on.
> > JJ- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> If the organizers wish to ask to be permitted to require transponders
> for this event, the RC would certainly consider it carefully.
> It requires a waiver request sent to UH or KM or both.
> UH- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have asked the Rules committee for 2 temporary waviers concerning
cell phones and PDA software for the 2012 SSA soaring contest season.
I have been informed that these waviers will not be required as
clarification is shortly going to be announced on cell phones and this
other area.
Simply standby and wait as in our past, an organized thought process
gives great and sometimes unexpected results.


Thomas Kelley #711.