Re: Aviation Watches

[Paul Sengupta]

Cheaper here:
http://www.upintheair.com/navihawk.htm

If you look at the Navihawk which is normally around $300,
compare it to this:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V44A51466

Similar...but no E6B on the outside, though this one has:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H25A42466

I prefer these:
http://www.poljot.com/html_chronos/big_chronos/aviator_chrono.htm

Paul

"BoDEAN" > wrote in message
...
> Suggestions?
>
> A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
> They like it, but it's bulky

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, BoDEAN > said:
>Suggestions?

I like the AOPA watch. It's cheap, and it has both hands and digits.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
....if you squeeze a MS product into a small enough memory footprint there may
not be sufficient space for it to fall over, thus giving the impression it's
reliable. -- Geoff Lane

[John Gaquin]

"BoDEAN" > wrote in message
> Suggestions?
>
> A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
> They like it, but it's bulky


What do you need other than accurate time?

[John Bell]

> >Suggestions?

They are not stylish, but my recommendation is a Casio calculator watch.
They are functional, accurate, and inexpensive. When they stop functioning,
drop by Wal-mart and buy a new one. Although far from the majority, you
will find many professional pilots wearing these.

John Bell
www.cockpitgps.com

[John Ousterhout]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:47:34 -0500, BoDEAN
> wrote:

>Suggestions?
>
>A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
>They like it, but it's bulky

I received a Citizen Navihawk as a gift about six years ago. It looks
impressive. Having Zulu time in the digital window and local time on
the analog face is convenient. The alarms are nice but not loud
enough to hear in a cockpit. I had to have it cleaned after one year
because the main function button quit working. The same thing
happened in another year. And a year later it happened again and
couldn't be fixed so Citizen gave me a new watch under warranty. The
same thing happened with the new watch. I would not buy another
Citizen.

Previously I had two Casio $39 watches that lasted about six to eight
years each with no service except for new batteries,

- John Ousterhout -

One night at a hotel where many airline crews overnighted a captain
had to pee, and slightly drunk, opened the door to the hallway instead
of the bathroom and locked himslef out of his room. Naked, and in
panic he knocked on the room next door.

The Flight Attendent in that room looked through the peephole and
seeing the naked man, picked up the telephone and called the front
desk, "There's a naked man outside my door" she cried.

"Does he have a little dick and a big watch?" asked the front desk.

"Why yes" the Flight Attendent answered.

"It's just a pilot" relied the front desk.

[vincent p. norris]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:47:34 -0500, BoDEAN
> wrote:

>Suggestions?

I got a Pulsar chronometer (made byh Seiko) from an outfit called
"Heartland" something-or-other a year or so ago, for a mere $63. It
keeps time to within a second or two a month. I'm very pleased with
it.

If you go to Google and type in "Heartland," I'm sure you'll find it.
If not, email me and I'll track it down for you.

vince norris

[blanche cohen]

Paul Tomblin > wrote:
>I like the AOPA watch. It's cheap, and it has both hands and digits.

And if you go over to any Target or WalMart, the same watch (it's
a Timex) without the AOPA logo is about $40 or less.

Personally, I use a $15 Timex with the backlight button. Perfect
for night flights. And if something goes wrong with it, or it gets
damaged, it's not a crisis.

[Michael 182]

With big numbers for my fading close-in eyesight...

"blanche cohen" > wrote in message
...
> Personally, I use a $15 Timex with the backlight button. Perfect
> for night flights. And if something goes wrong with it, or it gets
> damaged, it's not a crisis.
>
>
>

[mutts]

suunto observer

pretty accurate altimeter and vsi and flux gate compass to boot.
you even set the altimeter setting, though in .05 increments, 29.90,
29.95, etc.
a little large but much smaller then the other suunto watches
dual time so you can have zulu display as well,
has light and battery life is pretty good.

I wouldnt bother with watches with e6b type
dials, too small to read or monkey with
when bumping around

I found it cheapest here........
http://www.jomashop.com/suunto.html



On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:47:34 -0500, BoDEAN
> wrote:

>Suggestions?
>
>A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
>They like it, but it's bulky
>

[Cub Driver]

>
>What do you need other than accurate time?

Zulu is nice. Two-zone watches are in the $30 range from Casio and
Timex.

Mine is Timex Expedition , though I appreciate that names & features
change with great regularity. I recently replaced it with an Ironman
that was on sale for $15, but it proved not to have the second zone,
and the numbers are smaller, so I wear it only for best.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, BoDEAN > said:
>A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
>They like it, but it's bulky

A woman called up the local Navy base and said "There are a bunch of naked
drunken Naval Aviators on my front yard, and I want you to cart them
away." The Navy person answering the phone said "If they're naked, how do
you know they're Naval Aviators?" She replied "Because they've got wrist
watches the size of dinner plates and teeny tiny penises." "Ok then,
we'll be right over."


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"He passed away during an important civic function held in his honor when the
platform upon which he was standing collapsed." "I thought he was hanged?"
"That's what I said, isn't it?"

[John Gaquin]

"BoDEAN" > wrote in message

> Would like to be able to easily computer time/speed/distance
> and have zulu available

With a little practice, time/speed/distance can easily be done mentally, and
it is safer than futzing around with your watch dial while you're supposed
to be flying. :-)

I doubt you're going to be changing time zones often or fast enough to need
a reminder about zulu. I never encountered a problem with that.

I still wear a Timex for which I paid $12 in 1980. It has a date function I
occasionally use. Very accurate, and it won't make you a target in some
third world backwater.

Regards,

John Gaquin
B727, B747

[Roger Tracy]

I have had the same experience with the Navihawk. The function button
sticking. You have to get your finger nails under it and pull it back out.
Maybe
I should try having it cleaned. I like the watch because it had two biggies
I wanted. Zulu in the digital window .. and the E6B on it.



"John Ousterhout" >
wrote in message ...
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:47:34 -0500, BoDEAN
> > wrote:
>
> >Suggestions?
> >
> >A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
> >They like it, but it's bulky
>
> I received a Citizen Navihawk as a gift about six years ago. It looks
> impressive. Having Zulu time in the digital window and local time on
> the analog face is convenient. The alarms are nice but not loud
> enough to hear in a cockpit. I had to have it cleaned after one year
> because the main function button quit working. The same thing
> happened in another year. And a year later it happened again and
> couldn't be fixed so Citizen gave me a new watch under warranty. The
> same thing happened with the new watch. I would not buy another
> Citizen.
>
> Previously I had two Casio $39 watches that lasted about six to eight
> years each with no service except for new batteries,
>
> - John Ousterhout -
>
> One night at a hotel where many airline crews overnighted a captain
> had to pee, and slightly drunk, opened the door to the hallway instead
> of the bathroom and locked himslef out of his room. Naked, and in
> panic he knocked on the room next door.
>
> The Flight Attendent in that room looked through the peephole and
> seeing the naked man, picked up the telephone and called the front
> desk, "There's a naked man outside my door" she cried.
>
> "Does he have a little dick and a big watch?" asked the front desk.
>
> "Why yes" the Flight Attendent answered.
>
> "It's just a pilot" relied the front desk.
>

[Trent Moorehead]

"BoDEAN" > wrote in message
...
> Suggestions?
>
> A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
> They like it, but it's bulky

I thought hard about getting a Navihawk last year when I was in the Bahamas,
but it was still $270, so I didn't. Well, that's not the whole story, I
didn't because it was a big ol' chunk. ;)

Right now, I wear a Timex Expedition. It has a bright white analog face,
very legible numbers, an indiglo backlight, and a rotating bezel that I use
to mark checkpoints. I got it as a gift about 8 years ago and the damn thing
won't quit. I've gone through two bands and it's on its second battery.
Secretly, I've been wishing it would break so that I could get a new one,
but it just won't. The only thing it doesn't have (that I wish it did) is a
second time window for displaying Zulu time. I have the hardest time with
METAR/TAF because I have to mentally think through the time zone conversion,
so that little extra time window would be nice. I think the AOPA watch is
pretty nice, but it's still a little big.

Oh, and about the E6B on the face, I don't think that is very useful, so I
just use the real thing. The right tool for the job.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

[C J Campbell]

The only things I require from an aviation watch are accurate time and a
stopwatch, both of which must be very easy to read and simple to operate.
Everything else is clutter that makes the watch difficult to use. The
closest I have come to my ideal is the Swiss Army Cavalry watch, though this
watch is unsuitable for night use.

Sweep second hands are better than digital. In fact, digital watches are
inferior in most respects. You can use a dial watch to determine direction
and estimate distances.

However, the Cavalry watch is hard to find.

The new Swiss Army Star Tech 3000 appears to have most of the functions you
want.

Given that my cell phone and GPS have pretty good clocks on them and the
fact that you can download all kinds of free timers for the iPAQ, I am
beginning to wonder why I wear a watch at all.

[C J Campbell]

One other comment on my earlier post. The Swiss Army Cavalry watch no longer
comes in an officer's version with a stopwatch.

They do have "Air Boss" and "FA-18" watches that look promising.

[Teacherjh]

>>
Sweep second hands are better than digital. In fact, digital watches are
inferior in most respects.
<<

Why? Timing an approach with digital, I start the timer and wait for 3:18 to
show up. Timing it analog I have to count and remember the number of times the
second hand went around, or remember which little tic mark the minute hand was
on. Digital is drop dead simpler.

>>
You can use a dial watch to determine direction
and estimate distances.
<<

how?

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

[Paul Sengupta]

Pretty much any Seiko chronograph will have a second time
zone on a small clock. They even have an alarm on it though
you wouldn't hear it in a plane! I've had one for a few years now
and it's still on the first battery (seem to remember I bought it
in 1997 but I wouldn't swear by that). It's also got a stopwatch
feature on it, but I don't tend to use it while flying.

Paul

"Maule Driver" > wrote in message
news:Dwuob.32892
> The one feature on a clock that I truly do use and appreciate is GMT time.
> I can do it in my head but appreciate a visual reference
>
> So what do I want for Christmas? A simple GMT watch. No whiz wheel, stop
> watch, alarm or whatever. Just the ability to show me local and/or GMT
> time.

[news.t-online.de]

here is a classic B-Uhr (observationwatch) replica:
http://www.laco.de/indexe/flieger-uhren/index.html




"C J Campbell" > schrieb im
Newsbeitrag ...
> One other comment on my earlier post. The Swiss Army Cavalry watch no
longer
> comes in an officer's version with a stopwatch.
>
> They do have "Air Boss" and "FA-18" watches that look promising.
>
>

[Dan Luke]

"Maule Driver" wrote:
> So what do I want for Christmas? A simple GMT watch...to show me
> local and/or GMT time...Of course a nice one probably startes at $800

Don't get a nice one. Get the cheap AOPA "Zulu Time" Timex. After 6
years, mine looks pretty cruddy but it still works fine.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

[lardsoup]

Buy a cheap one and complain to everyone you know how crappy it is. Then
get someone to buy you a nice watch for x-mas or your birthday. Worked for
me. My Brother bought me a Breitling.

"BoDEAN" > wrote in message
...
> Suggestions?
>
> A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
> They like it, but it's bulky
>
>

[Chris Ehlbeck]

In flight the E6 on a watch would be pretty useless. Stick with a good old
regular one or an electronic one. I do have a Citizen Navihawk Blue Angels
and like it. The benefits I see from it are the 24 hour dial at glance but
that's easy anyway. The UTC dial is handy. I use the stopwatch more than
anything else while flying. But there are watches out there that can do
that for a lot less money. I had a Chase Durer but couldn't read the tiny
numbers on the damned thing!

Chris
--
I'm learning to fly! See what's going on.
www.home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-cehlbeck

"BoDEAN" > wrote in message
...
> Would like to be able to easily computer time/speed/distance
> and have zulu available
>
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:30:48 GMT, "John Gaquin"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"BoDEAN" > wrote in message
> >> Suggestions?
> >>
> >> A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
> >> They like it, but it's bulky
> >
> >
> >What do you need other than accurate time?
> >
>

[John Gaquin]

"BoDEAN" > wrote in message

> Would like to be able to easily computer time/speed/distance
> and have zulu available

With a little practice, time/speed/distance can easily be done mentally, and
it is safer than futzing around with your watch dial while you're supposed
to be flying. :-)

I doubt you're going to be changing time zones often or fast enough to need
a reminder about zulu. I never encountered a problem with that.

I still wear a Timex for which I paid $12 in 1980. It has a date function I
occasionally use. Very accurate, and it won't make you a target in some
third world backwater.

Regards,

John Gaquin
B727, B747

[Big John]

Roger

Do you think WD-40 would help?

Or have you tried silicon in a spray can?

I've used both to make things work.

Big John


On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:13:44 GMT, "Roger Tracy" >
wrote:

>I have had the same experience with the Navihawk. The function button
>sticking. You have to get your finger nails under it and pull it back out.
>Maybe
>I should try having it cleaned. I like the watch because it had two biggies
>I wanted. Zulu in the digital window .. and the E6B on it.
>
>
>
>"John Ousterhout" >
>wrote in message ...
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:47:34 -0500, BoDEAN
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Suggestions?
>> >
>> >A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
>> >They like it, but it's bulky
>>
>> I received a Citizen Navihawk as a gift about six years ago. It looks
>> impressive. Having Zulu time in the digital window and local time on
>> the analog face is convenient. The alarms are nice but not loud
>> enough to hear in a cockpit. I had to have it cleaned after one year
>> because the main function button quit working. The same thing
>> happened in another year. And a year later it happened again and
>> couldn't be fixed so Citizen gave me a new watch under warranty. The
>> same thing happened with the new watch. I would not buy another
>> Citizen.
>>
>> Previously I had two Casio $39 watches that lasted about six to eight
>> years each with no service except for new batteries,
>>
>> - John Ousterhout -
>>
>> One night at a hotel where many airline crews overnighted a captain
>> had to pee, and slightly drunk, opened the door to the hallway instead
>> of the bathroom and locked himslef out of his room. Naked, and in
>> panic he knocked on the room next door.
>>
>> The Flight Attendent in that room looked through the peephole and
>> seeing the naked man, picked up the telephone and called the front
>> desk, "There's a naked man outside my door" she cried.
>>
>> "Does he have a little dick and a big watch?" asked the front desk.
>>
>> "Why yes" the Flight Attendent answered.
>>
>> "It's just a pilot" relied the front desk.
>>
>

[studentpilot]

Citizen Navihawk Blue Angels, Air Boss, FA-18, Suunto Observer with
Altitude ,VSI and flux gate compass? Some of you blokes must fly
Curtiss pushers or similar with no Aircraft instruments.

The ole Tandy dual timer stuck next to the fuel gauge with double sided
tape works for me, if you want to time approach's you have a second
timer. Nice big buttons to hit when bouncing around and a time check is
just a push of a button. When out of the Aircraft a Seiko Micky Mouse
keeps good time. Who wants to know what time some obscure native tribe
works on?:rolleyes:


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[David Reinhart]

I wear a Vibralite--I think Sporty's and/or King has them in their
catalogs. Try a search.

Digital, dual time zones, dual alarms, countdown timer. Has a vibrating
mode. When IFR, I set the countdown time for 15 minutes (it repeats
automatically) and it reminds me to check the DG.

Dave Reinhart


BoDEAN wrote:

> Suggestions?
>
> A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
> They like it, but it's bulky

[David Reinhart]

Forgot to mention. The backlighting can be set so it comes on with a quick
turn of the wrist, no button pushing necessary.

David Reinhart wrote:

> I wear a Vibralite--I think Sporty's and/or King has them in their
> catalogs. Try a search.
>
> Digital, dual time zones, dual alarms, countdown timer. Has a vibrating
> mode. When IFR, I set the countdown time for 15 minutes (it repeats
> automatically) and it reminds me to check the DG.
>
> Dave Reinhart
>
>
> BoDEAN wrote:
>
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
> > They like it, but it's bulky

[Dave Stadt]

"studentpilot" > wrote in
message ...
>
> Citizen Navihawk Blue Angels, Air Boss, FA-18, Suunto Observer with
> Altitude ,VSI and flux gate compass? Some of you blokes must fly
> Curtiss pushers or similar with no Aircraft instruments.
>
> The ole Tandy dual timer stuck next to the fuel gauge with double sided
> tape works for me, if you want to time approach's you have a second
> timer. Nice big buttons to hit when bouncing around and a time check is
> just a push of a button.

Oven timers are the best kept secret in aviation.


When out of the Aircraft a Seiko Micky Mouse
> keeps good time. Who wants to know what time some obscure native tribe
> works on?:rolleyes:
>
>
> --
> studentpilot
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> - A website for Australian Pilots regardless of when, why, or what they
fly -
>

[C J Campbell]

"Teacherjh" > wrote in message
...
| >>
| Sweep second hands are better than digital. In fact, digital watches are
| inferior in most respects.
| <<
|
| Why? Timing an approach with digital, I start the timer and wait for 3:18
to
| show up. Timing it analog I have to count and remember the number of
times the
| second hand went around, or remember which little tic mark the minute hand
was
| on. Digital is drop dead simpler.
|
| >>
| You can use a dial watch to determine direction
| and estimate distances.
| <<
|
| how?

Were you never a Boy Scout? :-)

To measure distance, you can use a dial watch as a crude sextant to get an
idea of, say, how wide a river is.

Watch method. You can also determine the direction using a watch. The steps
you take will depend on whether you are in the northern temperate zone or in
the southern temperate zone (and whether you have a conventional or digital
watch). The northern temperate zone is located between 23.4o north and 66.6o
north. The southern temperate zone is located between 23.4o south and 66.6o
south.

Northern Temperate Zone (conventional watch)
1.. Place a small stick in the ground so that it casts a definite shadow.
2.. Place your watch on the ground sot that the hour hand points toward
and along the shadow of the stick.
3.. Find the point on the watch midway between the hour hand and 12
o'clock and draw an imaginary line from that point through and beyond the
center of the watch. This imaginary line is a north-south line.
NOTE: If your watch is set on daylight savings time, then use the midway
point between the hour hand and 1 o'clock to draw your imaginary line.

If you carry a digital watch, simply draw a conventional watch face on the
ground with the hands indicating the proper time (as shown on your digital
watch) - following the same steps as listed above.

[StellaStar]

>you can use a dial watch as a crude sextant

Wow, how cool is that! I knew I shouldn't have dropped out of girl scouts so
early...even though my main interest at the time was Boy Scouts. :-)

[Aloft]

I have this Casio dive watch, $90 at Wal-Mart:

http://www.casio.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ezfinder.redirect&id=6055

It's big diameter-wise (just large enough to make people think you're
compensating for a small penis) but not bulky, and has a couple features
useful for flying; a small secondary digital display with day/date, alarm,
and dual-time in 12/24 format for zulu time, and around the bezel is a
compass rose in 10 degree increments, useful for figuring runway or radial
reciprocals or just remembering your assigned heading! :-)




"BoDEAN" > wrote in message
...
> Suggestions?
>
> A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
> They like it, but it's bulky
>
>

[K i t W â l k e r]

Mate, I umm'd and arr'd about the same thing.

Ended up scoring a Suunto X6 from Wris****ch dot com ... very happy
with it.

Cheers,
Kit. PPL.



On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:47:34 -0500, BoDEAN
> wrote:

>Suggestions?
>
>A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
>They like it, but it's bulky
>

[Cecil E. Chapman]

Check out ebay. There are a few watch businesses that sell very reasonably.
I got my brand-new navihawk for $75, and I've had it for a year or so now,,,
works fine.

--
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Cecil E. Chapman, Jr.
PP-ASEL

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We are alive in the air with this miracle
that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"

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"BoDEAN" > wrote in message
...
> Suggestions?
>
> A few cfi's i know have the citizen one, that is like 300 bucks.
> They like it, but it's bulky
>
>
>