I Want a HUD

[Derek Mackie]

From aggie:

http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2012/0223/Google-glasses-due-this-year-turn-seeing-into-searching

Let's not discuss the AH side of this, please. But I want my PDA data
working on something like this. Any of you geeks out there up to it?
Get's rid of the arguments about looking inside the cockpit!

Derek

[Tom Gardner]

On Feb 27, 7:16*pm, Derek Mackie > wrote:
> From aggie:
>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2012/0223/Google-glasses...
>
> Let's not discuss the AH side of this, please. *But I want my PDA data
> working on something like this. *Any of you geeks out there up to it?
> Get's rid of the arguments about looking inside the cockpit!

If only that were sufficient :(

A long way down
http://nivea.psycho.univ-paris5.fr/ASSChtml/Pacherie4.html
there's this snippet:
A similar rather shocking finding was reported by Haines,
at the NASA Ames Research Center in California. He had
commercial airline pilots land a 727 in a flight simulator,
using a heads-up display of certain instruments on the
windscreen. On certain landing approaches, Haines
suddenly superimposed a stationary small aircraft right
in the middle of the runway. He expected pilots to immediately
abort their landing approach. However 2 out of 8 pilots
simply blithely landed through the obstructing airplane.
When shown a video of what they had done, the pilots
were shocked and incredulous and noted that they
should perhaps resign from commercial flying.

but before you fell too superior, you might care to look
at these images:

http://nivea.psycho.univ-paris5.fr/ASSChtml/kayakflick.gif
http://nivea.psycho.univ-paris5.fr/ASSChtml/couple.gif
http://nivea.psycho.univ-paris5.fr/ASSChtml/canalbridge.gif
http://nivea.psycho.univ-paris5.fr/ASSChtml/dottedline.gif
http://nivea.psycho.univ-paris5.fr/sol_Mil_cinepack.avi

[Bill D]

On Feb 27, 12:16*pm, Derek Mackie > wrote:
> From aggie:
>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2012/0223/Google-glasses...
>
> Let's not discuss the AH side of this, please. *But I want my PDA data
> working on something like this. *Any of you geeks out there up to it?
> Get's rid of the arguments about looking inside the cockpit!
>
> Derek

I'm not sure this particular device is useful since it may be over-
hyped but the idea of VR glasses is definitely worth thinking about.
Since they would include a head tracker, FLARM threats could be
displayed in the sky directly over the threat itself. ASI/Vario
information imaged at infinity would keep eyes out of the cockpit
while maintaining a close watch on critical air data. The headphones
could generate a 3D sound effect to indicate the bearing to threats or
thermals.

[Sean Fidler]

If I wanted to be a real smart ass, I would show up in Mifflin with this baby in my panel. I used to have one on my Liberty XL2, works great and is small enough for a glider!!!

http://www.aspenavionics.com/index.php/products/efd1000-pro/

On Monday, February 27, 2012 2:16:00 PM UTC-5, Derek Mackie wrote:
> From aggie:
>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2012/0223/Google-glasses-due-this-year-turn-seeing-into-searching
>
> Let's not discuss the AH side of this, please. But I want my PDA data
> working on something like this. Any of you geeks out there up to it?
> Get's rid of the arguments about looking inside the cockpit!
>
> Derek

[Simon Taylor[_2_]]

At 21:00 27 February 2012, Bill D wrote:
>On Feb 27, 12:16=A0pm, Derek Mackie wrote:
>> From aggie:
>>
>>
http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2012/0223/Goo
gle-glasses...
>>
>> Let's not discuss the AH side of this, please. =A0But I want
my PDA data
>> working on something like this. =A0Any of you geeks out
there up to it?
>> Get's rid of the arguments about looking inside the cockpit!
>>
>> Derek
>
>I'm not sure this particular device is useful since it may be
over-
>hyped but the idea of VR glasses is definitely worth thinking
about.
>Since they would include a head tracker, FLARM threats could
be
>displayed in the sky directly over the threat itself. ASI/Vario
>information imaged at infinity would keep eyes out of the
cockpit
>while maintaining a close watch on critical air data. The
headphones
>could generate a 3D sound effect to indicate the bearing to
threats or
>thermals.
>

In the shorter term, aftermarket automotive HUDs may be a
more practical option for displaying information at infinity. The
advent of compact laser projectors has removed most of the
technical challenges at a stroke and taken these devices from
simple 7-segment displays to compact, full colour high resolution
projections with low power consumption. Unfortunately the in-car
navigation software concepts I've seen so far have been
ridiculously overblown and distracting. Hopefully if and when
these devices are ready to make their way into glider cockpits
software designers will have the restraint to keep the displays
minimalistic and functional.

[Dan Marotta]

Just as soon as I start needing to fly coupled Cat III ILSs to minimums, I'm
gonna snag me one of those... Imagine - instead of simply penetrating a
turn cylinder, you can now set up a holding pattern over the turn point and
have a cuppa joe while you wait for your competitors to catch up!

Can't wait 'till my panel costs more than my glider.


"Simon Taylor" > wrote in message
. com...
> At 21:00 27 February 2012, Bill D wrote:
>>On Feb 27, 12:16=A0pm, Derek Mackie wrote:
>>> From aggie:
>>>
>>>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2012/0223/Goo
> gle-glasses...
>>>
>>> Let's not discuss the AH side of this, please. =A0But I want
> my PDA data
>>> working on something like this. =A0Any of you geeks out
> there up to it?
>>> Get's rid of the arguments about looking inside the cockpit!
>>>
>>> Derek
>>
>>I'm not sure this particular device is useful since it may be
> over-
>>hyped but the idea of VR glasses is definitely worth thinking
> about.
>>Since they would include a head tracker, FLARM threats could
> be
>>displayed in the sky directly over the threat itself. ASI/Vario
>>information imaged at infinity would keep eyes out of the
> cockpit
>>while maintaining a close watch on critical air data. The
> headphones
>>could generate a 3D sound effect to indicate the bearing to
> threats or
>>thermals.
>>
>
> In the shorter term, aftermarket automotive HUDs may be a
> more practical option for displaying information at infinity. The
> advent of compact laser projectors has removed most of the
> technical challenges at a stroke and taken these devices from
> simple 7-segment displays to compact, full colour high resolution
> projections with low power consumption. Unfortunately the in-car
> navigation software concepts I've seen so far have been
> ridiculously overblown and distracting. Hopefully if and when
> these devices are ready to make their way into glider cockpits
> software designers will have the restraint to keep the displays
> minimalistic and functional.
>

[Sean Fidler]

Lol!

On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:19:39 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Just as soon as I start needing to fly coupled Cat III ILSs to minimums, I'm
> gonna snag me one of those... Imagine - instead of simply penetrating a
> turn cylinder, you can now set up a holding pattern over the turn point and
> have a cuppa joe while you wait for your competitors to catch up!
>
> Can't wait 'till my panel costs more than my glider.
>
>
> "Simon Taylor" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > At 21:00 27 February 2012, Bill D wrote:
> >>On Feb 27, 12:16=A0pm, Derek Mackie wrote:
> >>> From aggie:
> >>>
> >>>
> > http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2012/0223/Goo
> > gle-glasses...
> >>>
> >>> Let's not discuss the AH side of this, please. =A0But I want
> > my PDA data
> >>> working on something like this. =A0Any of you geeks out
> > there up to it?
> >>> Get's rid of the arguments about looking inside the cockpit!
> >>>
> >>> Derek
> >>
> >>I'm not sure this particular device is useful since it may be
> > over-
> >>hyped but the idea of VR glasses is definitely worth thinking
> > about.
> >>Since they would include a head tracker, FLARM threats could
> > be
> >>displayed in the sky directly over the threat itself. ASI/Vario
> >>information imaged at infinity would keep eyes out of the
> > cockpit
> >>while maintaining a close watch on critical air data. The
> > headphones
> >>could generate a 3D sound effect to indicate the bearing to
> > threats or
> >>thermals.
> >>
> >
> > In the shorter term, aftermarket automotive HUDs may be a
> > more practical option for displaying information at infinity. The
> > advent of compact laser projectors has removed most of the
> > technical challenges at a stroke and taken these devices from
> > simple 7-segment displays to compact, full colour high resolution
> > projections with low power consumption. Unfortunately the in-car
> > navigation software concepts I've seen so far have been
> > ridiculously overblown and distracting. Hopefully if and when
> > these devices are ready to make their way into glider cockpits
> > software designers will have the restraint to keep the displays
> > minimalistic and functional.
> >

[WR]

On Feb 27, 1:16*pm, Derek Mackie > wrote:
> From aggie:
>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2012/0223/Google-glasses...
>
> Let's not discuss the AH side of this, please. *But I want my PDA data
> working on something like this. *Any of you geeks out there up to it?
> Get's rid of the arguments about looking inside the cockpit!
>
> Derek

Recon Instruments. Have them build a unit for sunglasses and tweak
for soaring application. The wing-suit base jumpers use these, but
wear googles.

http://www.reconinstruments.com/products/mod

WR

[staylo]

On Feb 28, 3:19*pm, "Dan Marotta" > wrote:
> Just as soon as I start needing to fly coupled Cat III ILSs to minimums, I'm
> gonna snag me one of those... *Imagine - instead of simply penetrating a
> turn cylinder, you can now set up a holding pattern over the turn point and
> have a cuppa joe while you wait for your competitors to catch up!

I guess a bit of skepticism is appropriate now that we've got the
likes of synthetic vision pitched at the GA / gliding market...

I'm not a competition pilot (barely a pilot these days!), but turning
a turnpoint cylinder efficiently seems to involve trying to clip the
very edge of an imaginary point in space, one which can only be
perceived using electronic equipment - and this while competitors are
attempting to accomplish the same. A good HUD indicator could
potentially allow the pilot to complete that task without breaking
their lookout scan.

Granted that's not much benefit to Dan and his clean set of heels, but
might save the rest of the pack from an uncommanded coffee cup
inversion somewhere down the line!

> Can't wait 'till my panel costs more than my glider.

Did the age of pneumatics give a smaller competitive gap between top
end and low end hardware? I'd be surprised if glider instrumentation
has ever benefitted from mass-production equipment to such a degree as
now... with the possible exception of the yawstring...

[Derek Mackie]

On Feb 28, 3:53*pm, staylo > wrote:
> On Feb 28, 3:19*pm, "Dan Marotta" > wrote:
>
> > Just as soon as I start needing to fly coupled Cat III ILSs to minimums, I'm
> > gonna snag me one of those... *Imagine - instead of simply penetrating a
> > turn cylinder, you can now set up a holding pattern over the turn point and
> > have a cuppa joe while you wait for your competitors to catch up!
>
> I guess a bit of skepticism is appropriate now that we've got the
> likes of synthetic vision pitched at the GA / gliding market...
>
> I'm not a competition pilot (barely a pilot these days!), but turning
> a turnpoint cylinder efficiently seems to involve trying to clip the
> very edge of an imaginary point in space, one which can only be
> perceived using electronic equipment - and this while competitors are
> attempting to accomplish the same. A good HUD indicator could
> potentially allow the pilot to complete that task without breaking
> their lookout scan.
>
> Granted that's not much benefit to Dan and his clean set of heels, but
> might save the rest of the pack from an uncommanded coffee cup
> inversion somewhere down the line!
>
> > Can't wait 'till my panel costs more than my glider.
>
> Did the age of pneumatics give a smaller competitive gap between top
> end and low end hardware? I'd be surprised if glider instrumentation
> has ever benefitted from mass-production equipment to such a degree as
> now... with the possible exception of the yawstring...

My wife tells people I bought a $50,000 piece of yarn. The thing it
was attached to was free...

I tell people that the piece of yarn is the only instrument I have
that doesn't lie to me.

(In a related story - I started the take-off roll at Uvalde this past
summer and my trusty yaw-string departed! My first and only flight
without one and I felt naked!)

Derek