Changes to IGC-approvals - action dates

[Ian Strachan[_2_]]

Changes to IGC-approval levels of some types of Flight Recorders.

A few days ago I posted a list of IGC-approved Flight Recorders that
were to have their Approval levels reduced due to concerns about
electronic security. Originally, the action date was to be 31 March
but there have been objections to such an early date.

The IGC Bureau has therefore considered the situation and has put back
the action date to 1 October. A message from IGC President Eric Mozer
follows.

Eric took over from Bob Henderson as President after the recent IGC
Plenary because Bob wishes to concentrate on his responsibilities as a
member
of the FAI Executive Board, but will continue as a member of the IGC
Bureau.

> wrote:
> All,
> At*the*recent*IGC*Plenum*held*in*South*Africa,*a*p roposal*from*ANDS and GFAC
> to*downgrade*several*Flight*Recorders*was*passed.
> The*effective*date*of*the*downgrade*was*31*March,* 2012.
> After*consideration,*the*IGC*Bureau*has*decided*to *change*the*effective*date
>*of*the*downgrade*of*these*Flight*Recorders*from*3 1*March,*2012
> to*1*October,*2012.
> Respectfully,
> Eric*Mozer
> IGC*President

------------------

I am pleased to report that the ANDS and GFA Committees and the IGC
Bureau have been able to react rapidly to criticism and pilots owning
one of these types of recorder will now have more time to take
appropriate action.

Ian Strachan
Chairman IGC GFA Committee

[Robert Fidler[_2_]]

How about posting a link that will show a list of the recorders that
IGC has issues with?



On Mar 15, 3:48*am, Ian Strachan > wrote:
> Changes to IGC-approval levels of some types of Flight Recorders.
>
> A few days ago I posted a list of IGC-approved Flight Recorders that
> were to have their Approval levels reduced due to concerns about
> electronic security. *Originally, the action date was to be 31 March
> but there have been objections to such an early date.
>
> The IGC Bureau has therefore considered the situation and has put back
> the action date to 1 October. *A message from IGC President Eric Mozer
> follows.
>
> Eric took over from Bob Henderson as President after the recent IGC
> Plenary because Bob wishes to concentrate on his responsibilities as a
> member
> of the FAI Executive Board, but will continue as a member of the IGC
> Bureau.
>
> > wrote:
> > All,
> > At*the*recent*IGC*Plenum*held*in*South*Africa,*a*p roposal*from*ANDS and GFAC
> > to*downgrade*several*Flight*Recorders*was*passed.
> > The*effective*date*of*the*downgrade*was*31*March,* 2012.
> > After*consideration,*the*IGC*Bureau*has*decided*to *change*the*effective*date
> >*of*the*downgrade*of*these*Flight*Recorders*from*3 1*March,*2012
> > to*1*October,*2012.
> > Respectfully,
> > Eric*Mozer
> > IGC*President
>
> ------------------
>
> I am pleased to report that the ANDS and GFA Committees and the IGC
> Bureau have been able to react rapidly to criticism and pilots owning
> one of these types of recorder will now have more time to take
> appropriate action.
>
> Ian Strachan
> Chairman IGC GFA Committee
>

[Wayne Paul]

"Robert Fidler" wrote in message
...

How about posting a link that will show a list of the recorders that
IGC has issues with?


Robert,

I've been following this since the start because I'm affected. Here is the
list that you are looking for:

Manufacturer Model Changes
Cambridge 10, 20, 25 Reduced approval to
Diamond
Zander GP940 Reduced
approval to Diamond
Filser LX30 batch 1 Withdrew
approval
Print Technik GR1000 Withdrew approval
Filsner (now LXN) LX20 with RSA Reduce approval to Diamond
EWFR A-D Withdrew
Approval
Filsner (now LXN) LX21 Reduce approval to
Diamond
Filsner (now LXN) DX50 Reduce approval to
Diamond
Filsner (now LXN) mLX5000IGC Reduce approval to Diamond
LXN Colbibri Reduce
approval to Diamond
SDI/LXN Posigraph 1.0 Reduce approval to
Diamond
Print Technik GR1000A with RSA Withdrew Approval

[FreeFlight107]

What does the note " Reduced approval to Diamond " mean exactly?

Can A Diamond task be flown with the current Colibri?
Possibily this means Record Flights can't be flown??

What has LXN said about their needed changes?

Many thanks,

Wayne

>
> Manufacturer Model Changes
> Cambridge 10, 20, 25 Reduced approval to
> Diamond
> Zander GP940 Reduced
> approval to Diamond
> Filser LX30 batch 1 Withdrew
> approval
> Print Technik GR1000 Withdrew approval
> Filsner (now LXN) LX20 with RSA Reduce approval to Diamond
> EWFR A-D Withdrew
> Approval
> Filsner (now LXN) LX21 Reduce approval to
> Diamond
> Filsner (now LXN) DX50 Reduce approval to
> Diamond
> Filsner (now LXN) mLX5000IGC Reduce approval to Diamond
> LXN Colbibri Reduce
> approval to Diamond
> SDI/LXN Posigraph 1.0 Reduce approval to
> Diamond
> Print Technik GR1000A with RSA Withdrew Approval

[Wayne Paul]

Wayne,

Your interpretation of the wording is correct.

LXN's only recourse is to redesign their encryption process.

After Oct 1, 2012 my old EW Model D goes into the drawer where I keep other
useless/obsolete electronics.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder



"FreeFlight107" wrote in message
news:30790880.62.1331846614263.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbga3...

What does the note " Reduced approval to Diamond " mean exactly?

Can A Diamond task be flown with the current Colibri?
Possibily this means Record Flights can't be flown??

What has LXN said about their needed changes?

Many thanks,

Wayne

>
> Manufacturer Model Changes
> Cambridge 10, 20, 25 Reduced approval
> to
> Diamond
> Zander GP940 Reduced
> approval to Diamond
> Filser LX30 batch 1 Withdrew
> approval
> Print Technik GR1000 Withdrew approval
> Filsner (now LXN) LX20 with RSA Reduce approval to
> Diamond
> EWFR A-D Withdrew
> Approval
> Filsner (now LXN) LX21 Reduce approval
> to
> Diamond
> Filsner (now LXN) DX50 Reduce approval to
> Diamond
> Filsner (now LXN) mLX5000IGC Reduce approval to
> Diamond
> LXN Colbibri Reduce
> approval to Diamond
> SDI/LXN Posigraph 1.0 Reduce approval
> to
> Diamond
> Print Technik GR1000A with RSA Withdrew Approval

[Papa3[_2_]]

A slight clarification on the below. A more detailed note for US pilots will be forthcoming on the SSA Website, in Soaring, eNews, etc.

The FAI Badge Hierchy is:
- Silver
- Gold
- Diamond
- 750K, 1000K, 1250K etc. Diplomes

So, an FR approved for "Up to Diamonds" precludes use only for the Diplomes.

As far as records are concerned, the FAI Hierarchy puts International (World) and presumably Continental records at a level above Diplome flights. So, it is correct to say that an FR approved for "Up to Diamonds" would not be usable for International Records. HOWEVER, individual NACs MAY decide to allow them for State/Provincal/Regional (whatever construct applies within that country) and even National records. The SSA B&R Committee will issue our policy with regards to State and US National records use for these FRs sometime in the near future.

Clear as mud?

Erik Mann
SSA FAI B&R Committee Chairman



On Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:27:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne wrote:
> Wayne,
>
> Your interpretation of the wording is correct.
>
> LXN's only recourse is to redesign their encryption process.
>
> After Oct 1, 2012 my old EW Model D goes into the drawer where I keep other
> useless/obsolete electronics.
>
> Wayne
> HP-14 "6F"
> http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder
>
>
>
> "FreeFlight107" wrote in message
> news:30790880.62.1331846614263.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbga3...
>
> What does the note " Reduced approval to Diamond " mean exactly?
>
> Can A Diamond task be flown with the current Colibri?
> Possibily this means Record Flights can't be flown??
>
> What has LXN said about their needed changes?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Wayne
>
> >
> > Manufacturer Model Changes
> > Cambridge 10, 20, 25 Reduced approval
> > to
> > Diamond
> > Zander GP940 Reduced
> > approval to Diamond
> > Filser LX30 batch 1 Withdrew
> > approval
> > Print Technik GR1000 Withdrew approval
> > Filsner (now LXN) LX20 with RSA Reduce approval to
> > Diamond
> > EWFR A-D Withdrew
> > Approval
> > Filsner (now LXN) LX21 Reduce approval
> > to
> > Diamond
> > Filsner (now LXN) DX50 Reduce approval to
> > Diamond
> > Filsner (now LXN) mLX5000IGC Reduce approval to
> > Diamond
> > LXN Colbibri Reduce
> > approval to Diamond
> > SDI/LXN Posigraph 1.0 Reduce approval
> > to
> > Diamond
> > Print Technik GR1000A with RSA Withdrew Approval

[FreeFlight107]

Wayne & eric,

Thank you for your timely responses, I now understand the FAI Hierarchy on Badges and records, before this I only vaugly understood them.

I'm very relieved as I'm entering on a quest for my Gold and Diamonds this year in a 1-26! I figure in the Libelle it's too easy!

I'm sure I'm speaking for all the rest of the RAS subscribers when I say we can hardly wait for the manufacturers to update their soft ware to the new standards so our existing electronics can be used for the Diplomes and other records.

Looking foreward to a very great year of soaring,

Wayne Walker

The JayWalker