XCsoar 6.2.6 Question

[Karl Kunz]

I have been playing with XCsoar 6.2.6 entering a racing task and cannot get it to display the "ARM START" prompt mentioned in the manual. I have a cylinder start - some waypoints-cylinder finish. What am I missing?

[jim wynhoff]

On Mar 15, 7:11*pm, Karl Kunz > wrote:
> I have been playing with XCsoar 6.2.6 entering a racing task and cannot get it to display the "ARM START" prompt mentioned in the manual. I have a cylinder start - some waypoints-cylinder finish. What am I missing?

Might be better to ask here: http://xcsoar.1045713.n5.nabble.com/xcsoar-user-f2645568.html

[Tobias Bieniek]

Am Freitag, 16. März 2012 03:11:43 UTC+1 schrieb Karl Kunz:
> I have been playing with XCsoar 6.2.6 entering a racing task and cannot get it to display the "ARM START" prompt mentioned in the manual. I have a cylinder start - some waypoints-cylinder finish. What am I missing?

Hi Karl, while some of us read RAS regularly it is indeed to ask these questions directly on the XCSoar forum (http://www.xcsoar.org/forum/) or mailing list (http://www.xcsoar.org/discover/mailinglist.html).

If I remember correctly arming the start for racing tasks isn't needed anymore. Unfortunatly our manual is slightly outdated in some parts... Feel free to help if you have a bit of time :)

[Evan Ludeman[_4_]]

On Mar 16, 5:16*am, Tobias Bieniek >
wrote:
> Am Freitag, 16. März 2012 03:11:43 UTC+1 schrieb Karl Kunz:
>
> > I have been playing with XCsoar 6.2.6 entering a racing task and cannot get it to display the "ARM START" prompt mentioned in the manual. I have a cylinder start - some waypoints-cylinder finish. What am I missing?
>
> Hi Karl, while some of us read RAS regularly it is indeed to ask these questions directly on the XCSoar forum (http://www.xcsoar.org/forum/) or mailing list (http://www.xcsoar.org/discover/mailinglist.html).
>
> If I remember correctly arming the start for racing tasks isn't needed anymore. Unfortunatley our manual is slightly outdated in some parts... Feel free to help if you have a bit of time :)

That's right, arming is no longer necessary. Best way to get familiar
with XCS is by playing back an igc file. Load all the terrain,
waypoint and task information exactly as you would have for the flight
in question, then use the playback function (config/config/playback).
igc file needs to be somewhere in \XCSoardata (you can put
subdirectories in here, eg flights, navpoints, terrain, etc.).

-Evan Ludeman / T8

[Kor Kiley]

On Mar 16, 7:09*am, Evan Ludeman > wrote:
> On Mar 16, 5:16*am, Tobias Bieniek >
> wrote:
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> > Am Freitag, 16. März 2012 03:11:43 UTC+1 schrieb Karl Kunz:
>
> > > I have been playing with XCsoar 6.2.6 entering a racing task and cannot get it to display the "ARM START" prompt mentioned in the manual. I have a cylinder start - some waypoints-cylinder finish. What am I missing?
>
> > Hi Karl, while some of us read RAS regularly it is indeed to ask these questions directly on the XCSoar forum (http://www.xcsoar.org/forum/) or mailing list (http://www.xcsoar.org/discover/mailinglist.html).
>
> > If I remember correctly arming the start for racing tasks isn't needed anymore. Unfortunatley our manual is slightly outdated in some parts... Feel free to help if you have a bit of time :)
>
> That's right, arming is no longer necessary. *Best way to get familiar
> with XCS is by playing back an igc file. *Load all the terrain,
> waypoint and task information exactly as you would have for the flight
> in question, then use the playback function (config/config/playback).
> igc file needs to be somewhere in \XCSoardata (you can put
> subdirectories in here, eg flights, navpoints, terrain, etc.).
>
> -Evan Ludeman / T8

But I believe you do need to arm start for an AAT task--at least that
was my experience last time I did one (I forgot to arm the start and
never started).

Kor Kiley (Condor Pilot)

[Evan Ludeman[_4_]]

On Mar 16, 8:42*am, Kor Kiley > wrote:
> On Mar 16, 7:09*am, Evan Ludeman > wrote:
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> > On Mar 16, 5:16*am, Tobias Bieniek >
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> > > Am Freitag, 16. März 2012 03:11:43 UTC+1 schrieb Karl Kunz:
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> > > > I have been playing with XCsoar 6.2.6 entering a racing task and cannot get it to display the "ARM START" prompt mentioned in the manual. I have a cylinder start - some waypoints-cylinder finish. What am I missing?
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> > > Hi Karl, while some of us read RAS regularly it is indeed to ask these questions directly on the XCSoar forum (http://www.xcsoar.org/forum/) or mailing list (http://www.xcsoar.org/discover/mailinglist.html).
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> > > If I remember correctly arming the start for racing tasks isn't needed anymore. Unfortunatley our manual is slightly outdated in some parts... Feel free to help if you have a bit of time :)
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> > That's right, arming is no longer necessary. *Best way to get familiar
> > with XCS is by playing back an igc file. *Load all the terrain,
> > waypoint and task information exactly as you would have for the flight
> > in question, then use the playback function (config/config/playback).
> > igc file needs to be somewhere in \XCSoardata (you can put
> > subdirectories in here, eg flights, navpoints, terrain, etc.).
>
> > -Evan Ludeman / T8
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> But I believe you do need to arm start for an AAT task--at least that
> was my experience last time I did one (I forgot to arm the start and
> never started).
>
> Kor Kiley (Condor Pilot)

No. XCS automatically starts and re-starts for every exit of the
start cylinder in 6.2.x as long as you are navigating to 'start' or
the 1st turnpoint.

Hint for XCS contest flyers: always have 'next turnpoint' displayed
in an infobox -- I like to put this one at upper left on all screens.
On a PDA, you can tap this info box, then scroll the next turnpoint
through each successive point entered in the task using the four way
button. This is extremely useful on the AAT. Rather than using auto
advance, do it manually. If you forget, no problem, you can advance
any time and XCS is smart about keeping all your flight statistics
(mileage flown, average speed) in order.

T8

[Karl Kunz]

On Friday, March 16, 2012 2:16:42 AM UTC-7, Tobias Bieniek wrote:
> Am Freitag, 16. März 2012 03:11:43 UTC+1 schrieb Karl Kunz:
> > I have been playing with XCsoar 6.2.6 entering a racing task and cannot get it to display the "ARM START" prompt mentioned in the manual. I have a cylinder start - some waypoints-cylinder finish. What am I missing?
>
> Hi Karl, while some of us read RAS regularly it is indeed to ask these questions directly on the XCSoar forum (http://www.xcsoar.org/forum/) or mailing list (http://www.xcsoar.org/discover/mailinglist.html).
>
> If I remember correctly arming the start for racing tasks isn't needed anymore. Unfortunatly our manual is slightly outdated in some parts... Feel free to help if you have a bit of time :)

Thanks Tobias, I'll check out the XCsoar forum. Not sure I am qualified at this point in writing the manual - yet.

[Karl Kunz]

On Friday, March 16, 2012 4:09:25 AM UTC-7, T8 wrote:
> On Mar 16, 5:16*am, Tobias Bieniek >
> wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 16. März 2012 03:11:43 UTC+1 schrieb Karl Kunz:
> >
> > > I have been playing with XCsoar 6.2.6 entering a racing task and cannot get it to display the "ARM START" prompt mentioned in the manual. I have a cylinder start - some waypoints-cylinder finish. What am I missing?
> >
> > Hi Karl, while some of us read RAS regularly it is indeed to ask these questions directly on the XCSoar forum (http://www.xcsoar.org/forum/) or mailing list (http://www.xcsoar.org/discover/mailinglist.html).
> >
> > If I remember correctly arming the start for racing tasks isn't needed anymore. Unfortunatley our manual is slightly outdated in some parts... Feel free to help if you have a bit of time :)
>
> That's right, arming is no longer necessary. Best way to get familiar
> with XCS is by playing back an igc file. Load all the terrain,
> waypoint and task information exactly as you would have for the flight
> in question, then use the playback function (config/config/playback).
> igc file needs to be somewhere in \XCSoardata (you can put
> subdirectories in here, eg flights, navpoints, terrain, etc.).
>
> -Evan Ludeman / T8

If arming is no longer required, what is the logic in determining the start.. I am thinking of the case of climbing close to the start cylinder where you may traverse the cylinder several times before actually proceeding on course. Does XCsoar just keep restarting each time you leave the cylinder?

[Evan Ludeman[_4_]]

On Mar 16, 10:26*am, Karl Kunz > wrote:
> On Friday, March 16, 2012 4:09:25 AM UTC-7, T8 wrote:
> > On Mar 16, 5:16*am, Tobias Bieniek >
> > wrote:
> > > Am Freitag, 16. März 2012 03:11:43 UTC+1 schrieb Karl Kunz:
>
> > > > I have been playing with XCsoar 6.2.6 entering a racing task and cannot get it to display the "ARM START" prompt mentioned in the manual. I have a cylinder start - some waypoints-cylinder finish. What am I missing?
>
> > > Hi Karl, while some of us read RAS regularly it is indeed to ask these questions directly on the XCSoar forum (http://www.xcsoar.org/forum/) or mailing list (http://www.xcsoar.org/discover/mailinglist.html).
>
> > > If I remember correctly arming the start for racing tasks isn't needed anymore. Unfortunatley our manual is slightly outdated in some parts... Feel free to help if you have a bit of time :)
>
> > That's right, arming is no longer necessary. *Best way to get familiar
> > with XCS is by playing back an igc file. *Load all the terrain,
> > waypoint and task information exactly as you would have for the flight
> > in question, then use the playback function (config/config/playback).
> > igc file needs to be somewhere in \XCSoardata (you can put
> > subdirectories in here, eg flights, navpoints, terrain, etc.).
>
> > -Evan Ludeman / T8
>
> If arming is no longer required, what is the logic in determining the start. I am thinking of the case of climbing close to the start cylinder where you may traverse the cylinder several times before actually proceeding on course. Does XCsoar just keep restarting each time you leave the cylinder?

Yes. The (re)start is only inhibited if you are navigating to the 2nd
turn, or later.

The only thing that XCS doesn't do perfectly (for US rules) at the
moment is the fringe case where you exit the cylinder top, glide back
into the cylinder and exit the side < 2 minutes later. XCS will give
you a restart at the edge that WinScore won't (you are scored from
your last penalty free start). This should be addressed in 6.4.

T8