Hunting Season

[EDR]

I see from reading the FAA accident site, that aircraft hunting season
has begun. Just this week...
C210 got a deer
C560 got a deer
B1900 got three geese
C650 got two geese

One would think that sitting on the ground with a gun would be cheaper,
but I guess there is more sport in using an airplane.

[C J Campbell]

"EDR" > wrote in message
...
| I see from reading the FAA accident site, that aircraft hunting season
| has begun. Just this week...
| C210 got a deer
| C560 got a deer
| B1900 got three geese
| C650 got two geese

The hard part is flying home with that deer strapped on your wing.

[Roger Long]

At least pilots are smart enough not to show up at the tagging station with
a cow on the bumper as happens at least once a year up here in Maine.

Reminds me, I never did get around to painting that little deer symbol on
the cowling of our plane.

--
Roger Long

[John Harlow]

> I see from reading the FAA accident site, that aircraft hunting season
> has begun. Just this week...
> C210 got a deer
> C560 got a deer
> B1900 got three geese
> C650 got two geese
>
> One would think that sitting on the ground with a gun would be cheaper,
> but I guess there is more sport in using an airplane.

Lol - I thought you were referring to the recent mail going around re:
Alaskan aerial hunting:


>Alaska has reinstituted aerial shooting of wolves, to increase the moose
>and caribou populations--for the HUNTERS...see the attached CNN article
>at
>http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/11/05/alaska.wolves.reut/index.html
>.
>
>If this outrages you as much as it does me, I urge you to contact the
>Alaska Department of Fish and Game to register your disgust. You can
>e-mail the Commissioner of the Alaska Department of Fish and Game at

>
>Or write or call:
>Alaska Department of Fish and Game
>P.O. Box 25526
>Juneau, Alaska 99802-5526
>(907) 465-4100

[Jay Honeck]

> Reminds me, I never did get around to painting that little deer symbol on
> the cowling of our plane.

We've narrowly avoided half a dozen deer, a fox (!), a bald eagle (we
probably would've got put in jail, posthumously), several hawks, and more
run-of-the-mill birds than we can count.

I figure it's only a matter of time.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Icebound]

EDR wrote:
> ..snip...
>
> One would think that sitting on the ground with a gun would be cheaper,
> but I guess there is more sport in using an airplane.

Sometimes they use both an aircraft *and* a gun.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20020328X00418&ntsbno=SEA02LA058&akey=1

[EDR]

In article >, C J Campbell
> wrote:

> "EDR" > wrote in message
> ...
> | I see from reading the FAA accident site, that aircraft hunting season
> | has begun. Just this week...
> | C210 got a deer
> | C560 got a deer
> | B1900 got three geese
> | C650 got two geese
>
> The hard part is flying home with that deer strapped on your wing.

I don't know... I've heard some interesting tales about Alaska.

[Peter Duniho]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> The hard part is flying home with that deer strapped on your wing.

Huh? What are you talking about? Just hit the deer fast enough and don't
slow down until you get home. It'll stay stuck there just fine.

:)

[Corky Scott]

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:43:06 GMT, "Roger Long"
m> wrote:

>At least pilots are smart enough not to show up at the tagging station with
>a cow on the bumper as happens at least once a year up here in Maine.

>Roger Long

Roger, really? You've actually seen a story every year about a
someone who bags a cow and tries to tag it?

How on earth do they get it on the bumper? Is it physically possible?
Around here, it takes a front end loader and a truck to move a dead
cow.

Corky Scott

[Icebound]

EDR wrote:
> In article >, C J Campbell
> > wrote:
>
>
>>"EDR" > wrote in message
...
>>| I see from reading the FAA accident site, that aircraft hunting season
>>| has begun. Just this week...
>>| C210 got a deer
>>| C560 got a deer
>>| B1900 got three geese
>>| C650 got two geese
>>
>>The hard part is flying home with that deer strapped on your wing.
>
>
> I don't know... I've heard some interesting tales about Alaska.

Thats why that strong cross-brace is there between the floats.

[Tom S.]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
>
> "EDR" > wrote in message
> ...
> | I see from reading the FAA accident site, that aircraft hunting season
> | has begun. Just this week...
> | C210 got a deer
> | C560 got a deer
> | B1900 got three geese
> | C650 got two geese
>
> The hard part is flying home with that deer strapped on your wing.

Yeah, but it's already field dressed.

[Tom S.]

"Roger Long" m> wrote in
message ...
> At least pilots are smart enough not to show up at the tagging station
with
> a cow on the bumper as happens at least once a year up here in Maine.
>
> Reminds me, I never did get around to painting that little deer symbol on
> the cowling of our plane.
>
Sounds bad, but this one would really be a ****er:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20031010X01711&key=1

[EDR]

In article >, Tom S.
> wrote:

> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20031010X01711&key=1

"In a written statement, the pilot reported that during takeoff, as the
airplane climbed through 6 feet above ground level (agl), a bull
wandered onto the runway. The right main gear collided with the bull.
The pilot then continued his flight to Payson Airport, Payson, Arizona,
where he landed uneventfully. After landing, he noted that the right
main gear box was pulled loose."

And just where was the bull when he started his takeoff roll and what
was the pilot looking at?

[Roger Long]

Small cows up here. It's the hard winters.

--
Roger Long

Corky Scott > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:43:06 GMT, "Roger Long"
> m> wrote:
>
> >At least pilots are smart enough not to show up at the tagging station
with
> >a cow on the bumper as happens at least once a year up here in Maine.
>
> >Roger Long
>
> Roger, really? You've actually seen a story every year about a
> someone who bags a cow and tries to tag it?
>
> How on earth do they get it on the bumper? Is it physically possible?
> Around here, it takes a front end loader and a truck to move a dead
> cow.
>
> Corky Scott
>
>
>

[Tom S.]

"EDR" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Tom S.
> > wrote:
>
> > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20031010X01711&key=1
>
> "In a written statement, the pilot reported that during takeoff, as the
> airplane climbed through 6 feet above ground level (agl), a bull
> wandered onto the runway. The right main gear collided with the bull.
> The pilot then continued his flight to Payson Airport, Payson, Arizona,
> where he landed uneventfully. After landing, he noted that the right
> main gear box was pulled loose."
>
> And just where was the bull when he started his takeoff roll and what
> was the pilot looking at?

Why don't you ask him?

[Gene Seibel]

Almost took out a coyote/fox on a night takeoff at Creve Coeur a couple months back.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.



> > Reminds me, I never did get around to painting that little deer symbol on
> > the cowling of our plane.
>
> We've narrowly avoided half a dozen deer, a fox (!), a bald eagle (we
> probably would've got put in jail, posthumously), several hawks, and more
> run-of-the-mill birds than we can count.
>
> I figure it's only a matter of time.

[EDR]

In article >, Tom S.
> wrote:

> "EDR" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, Tom S.
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20031010X01711&key=1
> >
> > "In a written statement, the pilot reported that during takeoff, as the
> > airplane climbed through 6 feet above ground level (agl), a bull
> > wandered onto the runway. The right main gear collided with the bull.
> > The pilot then continued his flight to Payson Airport, Payson, Arizona,
> > where he landed uneventfully. After landing, he noted that the right
> > main gear box was pulled loose."
> >
> > And just where was the bull when he started his takeoff roll and what
> > was the pilot looking at?
>
> Why don't you ask him?

I don't know who he is. I just read the NTSB report.

[Teacherjh]

> And just where was the bull when he started his takeoff roll and what
> was the pilot looking at?

Well, a takeoff takes about 30 seconds, and a bull half a mile away can
certainly become an issue in those thirty seconds.

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

[MLenoch]

>From: Icebound
>Date: 11/7/03 1:05 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: gers.com>
>
>EDR wrote:
>> In article >, C J Campbell
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"EDR" > wrote in message
...
>>>| I see from reading the FAA accident site, that aircraft hunting season
>>>| has begun. Just this week...
>>>| C210 got a deer
>>>| C560 got a deer
>>>| B1900 got three geese
>>>| C650 got two geese
>>>
>>>The hard part is flying home with that deer strapped on your wing.
>>
>>
>> I don't know... I've heard some interesting tales about Alaska.
>
>Thats why that strong cross-brace is there between the floats.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Tying the mouth closed is good for about a couple of knots.
VL

[Tom S.]

"EDR" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Tom S.
> > wrote:
>
> > "EDR" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >, Tom S.
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20031010X01711&key=1
> > >
> > > "In a written statement, the pilot reported that during takeoff, as
the
> > > airplane climbed through 6 feet above ground level (agl), a bull
> > > wandered onto the runway. The right main gear collided with the bull.
> > > The pilot then continued his flight to Payson Airport, Payson,
Arizona,
> > > where he landed uneventfully. After landing, he noted that the right
> > > main gear box was pulled loose."
> > >
> > > And just where was the bull when he started his takeoff roll and what
> > > was the pilot looking at?
> >
> > Why don't you ask him?
>
> I don't know who he is. I just read the NTSB report.

Then why did you ask?

[EDR]

In article >, Tom S.
> wrote:

> "EDR" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, Tom S.
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > "EDR" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > In article >, Tom S.
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20031010X01711&key=1
> > > >
> > > > "In a written statement, the pilot reported that during takeoff, as
> the
> > > > airplane climbed through 6 feet above ground level (agl), a bull
> > > > wandered onto the runway. The right main gear collided with the bull.
> > > > The pilot then continued his flight to Payson Airport, Payson,
> Arizona,
> > > > where he landed uneventfully. After landing, he noted that the right
> > > > main gear box was pulled loose."
> > > >
> > > > And just where was the bull when he started his takeoff roll and what
> > > > was the pilot looking at?
> > >
> > > Why don't you ask him?
> >
> > I don't know who he is. I just read the NTSB report.
>
> Then why did you ask?

Just wondering what goes through a pilots mind before an accident
happens.

[Tom S.]

"EDR" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Tom S.
> > wrote:
>
> > "EDR" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >, Tom S.
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "EDR" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > In article >, Tom S.
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20031010X01711&key=1
> > > > >
> > > > > "In a written statement, the pilot reported that during takeoff,
as
> > the
> > > > > airplane climbed through 6 feet above ground level (agl), a bull
> > > > > wandered onto the runway. The right main gear collided with the
bull.
> > > > > The pilot then continued his flight to Payson Airport, Payson,
> > Arizona,
> > > > > where he landed uneventfully. After landing, he noted that the
right
> > > > > main gear box was pulled loose."
> > > > >
> > > > > And just where was the bull when he started his takeoff roll and
what
> > > > > was the pilot looking at?
> > > >
> > > > Why don't you ask him?
> > >
> > > I don't know who he is. I just read the NTSB report.
> >
> > Then why did you ask?
>
> Just wondering what goes through a pilots mind before an accident
> happens.

Probably "Oh, ****!!!".

[James Blakely]

Okay, how do you "accidentally" fire a gun 3-4 times?


"Icebound" > wrote in message
e.rogers.com...
> EDR wrote:
> > ..snip...
> >
> > One would think that sitting on the ground with a gun would be cheaper,
> > but I guess there is more sport in using an airplane.
>
> Sometimes they use both an aircraft *and* a gun.
>
>
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20020328X00418&ntsbno=SEA02LA058&akey=1
>
>

[C J Campbell]

"James Blakely" > wrote in
message ...
| Okay, how do you "accidentally" fire a gun 3-4 times?
|

Semi-automatic firearms use the recoil from firing a round to chamber the
next round and cock the trigger. If the trigger pull is light enough the
shotgun could easily jump back enough to fire the next round. Professional
hunters sometimes use very light triggers in order to minimize movement of
the firearm. It is embarrassing, but every now and then some marksman will
empty an entire clip or magazine. This shotgun probably holds five rounds.
Once the first round fired accidentally, the rest just followed as if the
shotgun was a machine gun.

[Newps]

C J Campbell wrote:


> Semi-automatic firearms use the recoil from firing a round to chamber the
> next round and cock the trigger.

Some use recoil, those are heavier but are built like the proverbial
brick ****house. You can gunk them up with mud and they will continue
to work. The others, like my trusty Remington 11-87, are gas operated.
There are ports inside the gun that siphon off the spent gases and use
them to cycle the action. The cheap gas guns are notorius for not
working properly if you use light loads plus thay can get those ports
dirty and the gun won't cycle, turning itself into an expensive single
shot.


If the trigger pull is light enough the
> shotgun could easily jump back enough to fire the next round.

I don't think so. It takes x pounds of pressure to fire the gun, each
gun is a little different. The only way a gun fires more than once is
if the shooter wants it to or isn't paying attention to what is in his
hands. Like when you just shot the strut off the airplane, very easy to
imagine forgetting you have a gun in your hands and to keep firing.


Professional
> hunters sometimes use very light triggers in order to minimize movement of
> the firearm.

All good hunters want a lighter trigger pull than comes with the gun.


This shotgun probably holds five rounds.
> Once the first round fired accidentally, the rest just followed as if the
> shotgun was a machine gun.

This is the gunners equivalent of pilot error, not a failure in any way
of the gun.

[Big John]

Roger

Are you talking about those New Ya....ak hunters that used to come to
Maine. I believe they were called 'sound' hunters by the locals as
they fired at any 'sound' they heard in the woods <G>

Big John


On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:43:06 GMT, "Roger Long"
m> wrote:

>At least pilots are smart enough not to show up at the tagging station with
>a cow on the bumper as happens at least once a year up here in Maine.
>
>Reminds me, I never did get around to painting that little deer symbol on
>the cowling of our plane.

[Big John]

Tom

What happened to the 'bull'? NTSB normally reports any damaage or
fatalities both in air and on ground caused by the aircraft.

Big John


On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:03:45 -0700, "Tom S." > wrote:

>
>"Roger Long" m> wrote in
>message ...
>> At least pilots are smart enough not to show up at the tagging station
>with
>> a cow on the bumper as happens at least once a year up here in Maine.
>>
>> Reminds me, I never did get around to painting that little deer symbol on
>> the cowling of our plane.
>>
>Sounds bad, but this one would really be a ****er:
>http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20031010X01711&key=1
>
>

[Big John]

Tom

That's been documented many many times on tape.

They normally black it out on any transcript that is released but is
there on the raw tape.

Big John


On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 04:50:22 -0700, "Tom S." > wrote:

>
>"EDR" > wrote in message
...
>> In article >, Tom S.
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > "EDR" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > In article >, Tom S.
>> > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > "EDR" > wrote in message
>> > > > ...
>> > > > > In article >, Tom S.
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20031010X01711&key=1
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "In a written statement, the pilot reported that during takeoff,
>as
>> > the
>> > > > > airplane climbed through 6 feet above ground level (agl), a bull
>> > > > > wandered onto the runway. The right main gear collided with the
>bull.
>> > > > > The pilot then continued his flight to Payson Airport, Payson,
>> > Arizona,
>> > > > > where he landed uneventfully. After landing, he noted that the
>right
>> > > > > main gear box was pulled loose."
>> > > > >
>> > > > > And just where was the bull when he started his takeoff roll and
>what
>> > > > > was the pilot looking at?
>> > > >
>> > > > Why don't you ask him?
>> > >
>> > > I don't know who he is. I just read the NTSB report.
>> >
>> > Then why did you ask?
>>
>> Just wondering what goes through a pilots mind before an accident
>> happens.
>
>Probably "Oh, ****!!!".
>
>

[C J Campbell]

"Newps" > wrote in message
news:0Ngrb.149252$Tr4.397980@attbi_s03...
|
| This shotgun probably holds five rounds.
| > Once the first round fired accidentally, the rest just followed as if
the
| > shotgun was a machine gun.
|
| This is the gunners equivalent of pilot error, not a failure in any way
| of the gun.
|

No argument there.

[EDR]

In article >, Big John
> wrote:

> What happened to the 'bull'? NTSB normally reports any damaage or
> fatalities both in air and on ground caused by the aircraft.

Had a barbeque. It was delicious!