December 17--First Flight Day

[Bob Fry]

From: Syd Cohen >
To: Ercoupe Social List >
Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] First Flight Day

First Flight Day -- As we all know, December 17 will mark the 100th
anniversary of the first flight of a powered, human carrying airplane,
and we know that EAA will fly a replica Wright Flyer at Kittyhawk on
that day. What are the rest of us going to do? If you have access to
an airplane, you could also fly that day. You could write a letter to
invite a city official (mayor, council member, etc.) to fly with you.
Yes, I know that December 17 is a Wednesday. Do it at noon! I've
talked to Bob Warner, Executive Vice President at EAA, and he said he
would try to get the word out to all EAA members to a flight on First
Flight Day. I told him I would tell all the Ercoupers on our email
list. Let's talk to all of our flying friends, and make this a major
event!

Syd Cohen

[Philip Sondericker]

in article , Bob Fry at
wrote on 11/9/03 7:55 AM:

> From: Syd Cohen >
> To: Ercoupe Social List >
> Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] First Flight Day
>
> First Flight Day -- As we all know, December 17 will mark the 100th
> anniversary of the first flight of a powered, human carrying airplane,
> and we know that EAA will fly a replica Wright Flyer at Kittyhawk on
> that day. What are the rest of us going to do? If you have access to
> an airplane, you could also fly that day. You could write a letter to
> invite a city official (mayor, council member, etc.) to fly with you.
> Yes, I know that December 17 is a Wednesday. Do it at noon!

Does anybody happen to know the exact time of day that the first flight took
place? I'm thinking it would be fun to take off as close to that moment as
possible (adjusted to my time zone, of course).

[Julian Scarfe]

"Philip Sondericker" > wrote in message
...

> Does anybody happen to know the exact time of day that the first flight
took
> place? I'm thinking it would be fun to take off as close to that moment as
> possible (adjusted to my time zone, of course).

10:35 EST. If you are going to try to replicate the flight, try to go one
better than Orville and avoid breaking the "lever for throwing off the
engine" and the "skid underneath the rudder [by which he meant the canard
pitch control]".

Julian Scarfe

[Philip Sondericker]

in article , Julian Scarfe
at wrote on 11/9/03 11:01 AM:

> "Philip Sondericker" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Does anybody happen to know the exact time of day that the first flight
> took
>> place? I'm thinking it would be fun to take off as close to that moment as
>> possible (adjusted to my time zone, of course).
>
> 10:35 EST. If you are going to try to replicate the flight, try to go one
> better than Orville and avoid breaking the "lever for throwing off the
> engine" and the "skid underneath the rudder [by which he meant the canard
> pitch control]".
>
> Julian Scarfe

Hmm, that's 7:35 AM my time. I'm not night current, so I wonder what time
the sun rises on that day? Anyone know of a place to look it up?

[Michael 182]

Google sunrise - you'll find a dozen sources

"Philip Sondericker" > wrote in message
...
> in article , Julian Scarfe
> at wrote on 11/9/03 11:01 AM:
>
> > "Philip Sondericker" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >> Does anybody happen to know the exact time of day that the first flight
> > took
> >> place? I'm thinking it would be fun to take off as close to that moment
as
> >> possible (adjusted to my time zone, of course).
> >
> > 10:35 EST. If you are going to try to replicate the flight, try to go
one
> > better than Orville and avoid breaking the "lever for throwing off the
> > engine" and the "skid underneath the rudder [by which he meant the
canard
> > pitch control]".
> >
> > Julian Scarfe
>
> Hmm, that's 7:35 AM my time. I'm not night current, so I wonder what time
> the sun rises on that day? Anyone know of a place to look it up?
>

[Philip Sondericker]

in article vxyrb.157049$e01.551860@attbi_s02, Michael 182 at
wrote on 11/9/03 1:42 PM:

> Google sunrise - you'll find a dozen sources

You were right, thanks. Sunrise is at 7:33 AM. If I play it just right, I
can take off just as the sun is rising and at the exact moment of the
Centennial!

I'm not sure why this is so important to me--it just seems like a cool thing
to do.

>
>> "Philip Sondericker" > wrote in message
>> ...

>> Hmm, that's 7:35 AM my time. I'm not night current, so I wonder what time
>> the sun rises on that day? Anyone know of a place to look it up?

[Michael 182]

"Philip Sondericker" > wrote in message
...
> >> Hmm, that's 7:35 AM my time. I'm not night current, ...

Are you carrying passengers? If not (assuming I remember the FARs correctly)
you can fly anytime you want as a private pilot. Also, I believe "night", as
defined by the FARs, uses civil twilight data.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html

Michael

[Hilton]

Michael 182 wrote:
> Are you carrying passengers? If not (assuming I remember the FARs
correctly)
> you can fly anytime you want as a private pilot. Also, I believe "night",
as
> defined by the FARs, uses civil twilight data.
>
> http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html

The FAR has three definitions related to night:

1. Sunrise/sunset - lights (91.209)
2. Civil twilight - logging night time (1.1)
3. One hour before sunrise, one hour after sunset - carrying passengers
(61.57)

So, you can take off at sunset, land just less than an hour later, and log
0.5 day (usually), 0.4 night (usually) and no landing for 'passenger'
currency.

Hilton
P.S.: WingX for the Pocket PC will calculate these times for you for any
airport in the US (local and zulu) - http://www.hiltonsoftware.com

[Michael 182]

Thanks for the clarification. The complexities of evolutionary regulations
never fails to amaze...

Michael

"Hilton" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> The FAR has three definitions related to night:
>
> 1. Sunrise/sunset - lights (91.209)
> 2. Civil twilight - logging night time (1.1)
> 3. One hour before sunrise, one hour after sunset - carrying passengers
> (61.57)
>
> So, you can take off at sunset, land just less than an hour later, and log
> 0.5 day (usually), 0.4 night (usually) and no landing for 'passenger'
> currency.
>
> Hilton
> P.S.: WingX for the Pocket PC will calculate these times for you for any
> airport in the US (local and zulu) - http://www.hiltonsoftware.com
>
>

[Ron Natalie]

"Michael 182" > wrote in message news:jgCrb.158483$e01.559727@attbi_s02...
> Thanks for the clarification. The complexities of evolutionary regulations
> never fails to amaze...
>
That and the 1.1 definition refers to a book that hasn't been published in over a decade.