http://www.ssa.org/files/member/b%26rguide.pdf

[Gregg Leslie[_2_]]

Really,

Try understanding this...

[Tony[_5_]]

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:55:39 PM UTC-5, Gregg Leslie wrote:
> Really,
>
> Try understanding this...

I've found that reading the sporting code first helps.

[Darryl Ramm]

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:25:40 PM UTC-7, Tony wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:55:39 PM UTC-5, Gregg Leslie wrote:
> > Really,
> >
> > Try understanding this...
>
> I've found that reading the sporting code first helps.

Yes start with the FAI Sporting Code Section 3, and really read and understand it. It is a rich/complex set of rules, so be careful and use the provided precise definitions for terms, swapping in their exact meanings every time you come across those terms--dont' just assume what things loosely mean. Not doing that will just lead to confusion. Then once you have a understanding of the rules then read the FAI pilot/OO guide (sporting Code Section 3 Annex C) and then read the SSA guide you linked to.

You also should find a good official observer to work with and discuss the rules, tasks, issues etc. with them well before the flight. Spend time trying to find an OO who really knows the rules. If you did not use an OO then you'll have already missed the possibility of many of the possible claims for this flight.

You and your OO should also read the IGC approval documentation for your flight recorder, and make sure to follow any requirements there.

Commonly made useful advice for any flights that require a declaration is to use a paper declaration done so that it overrides any electronic declaration--there are just too many possible problems with electronic declarations to not use paper, at least as a back-up. This is pointed out in the SSA document and has been discussed on r.a.s. before.

Darryl

[David Reitter]

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:15:49 PM UTC-4, Darryl Ramm wrote:

> Commonly made useful advice for any flights that require a declaration is to use a paper declaration done so that it overrides any electronic declaration--there are just too many possible problems with electronic declarations to not use paper, at least as a back-up.

Doesn't the last declaration override anything else?
Which means that the logger needs to be switched on early, before the paper declaration is signed. -?

[Darryl Ramm]

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:41:33 AM UTC-7, David Reitter wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:15:49 PM UTC-4, Darryl Ramm wrote:
>
> > Commonly made useful advice for any flights that require a declaration is to use a paper declaration done so that it overrides any electronic declaration--there are just too many possible problems with electronic declarations to not use paper, at least as a back-up.
>
> Doesn't the last declaration override anything else?
> Which means that the logger needs to be switched on early, before the paper declaration is signed. -?

Technically its when the electronic declaration is entered vs. when a paper one is signed/dated/timed by the OO. Some (older) flight recorders are brain dead and will rewrite the declaration timestamps or clobber the declarations in existing flight logs if you do the "wrong thing" so in general power them on and don't touch anything after entering your declaration. paper vs. electronic has been covered here before and the recommended steps are covered in the SSA guide. World records are different and require a electronic declaration (and suitable level approval for the flight recorder).

Darryl

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I can attest that Rolland Hasness has added "friendly" back into the badge process. The Badge Dude will do everything he can to award a badge if the flight meets the requirements. Also, he will accept the IGC file and application via email. If he does not like the electronic declaration he will get in touch with you to see if there is possibly a paper declaration that was not sent in.

In Reno he said that ideally he prefers the electronic declaration. My recent experience is that we handled everything via email and within two days our club member received confirmation of the badge leg.

Badge flying is good in many ways and I am a proponent of its merits.

Lane
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