XCountry logging

[Don P]

Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs

How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?

[Dave Doe]

In article <a87362e3-7da5-480e-bd1d-6156d5686395@
36g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, , Don P says...
>
> Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
> Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
> Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
> Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs
>
> How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?

All of it? Is it a trick question? :)

--
Duncan.

[Vaughn]

On 5/7/2012 9:55 PM, Don P wrote:
> Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
> Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
> Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
> Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs
>
> How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?
>
>
>
>
Probably all, perhaps none. Read 61.1 (b)(3). Possible catches: 1) Did
you land at any of those places? Was at least one of your landings at
least 50 nm straight-line distance from your point of departure?

Vaughn

[Don P]

On May 8, 11:32*am, Vaughn > wrote:
> On 5/7/2012 9:55 PM, Don P wrote:> Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
> > Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
> > Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
> > Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs
>
> > How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?
>
> Probably all, perhaps none. *Read 61.1 (b)(3). *Possible catches: 1) Did
> you land at any of those places? *Was at least one of your landings at
> least 50 nm straight-line distance from your point of departure?
>
> Vaughn

Sorry for the confusion. Each leg resulted in a full stop. Leg 2 was
59 miles. All the distances I listed above were straight line
distances (I'm sure I flew further..lol)

[Don P]

On May 8, 11:32*am, Vaughn > wrote:
> On 5/7/2012 9:55 PM, Don P wrote:> Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
> > Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
> > Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
> > Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs
>
> > How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?
>
> Probably all, perhaps none. *Read 61.1 (b)(3). *Possible catches: 1) Did
> you land at any of those places? *Was at least one of your landings at
> least 50 nm straight-line distance from your point of departure?
>
> Vaughn

Hmm ..... I thought I already replied to this, but it isn't showing
up, so if it repeats, I apologize.

All the distances listed above were straight line distances. I flew
each of these to a full stop landing. Therefore, Leg 2 of 59 NM I
know for a fact can be logged xcountry, but I'm unsure of the rest.
Sorry for the confusion.

[Don P]

On May 8, 8:10*am, Dave Doe > wrote:
> In article <a87362e3-7da5-480e-bd1d-6156d5686395@
> 36g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, , Don P says...
>
>
>
> > Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
> > Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
> > Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
> > Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs
>
> > How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?
>
> All of it? *Is it a trick question? :)
>
> --
> Duncan.

LOL, not intended to be a trick question. full stop landings at each
of those three airports...

[Vaughn]

On 5/8/2012 6:10 PM, Don P wrote:
> On May 8, 11:32 am, > wrote:
>> On 5/7/2012 9:55 PM, Don P wrote:> Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
>>> Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
>>> Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
>>> Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs
>>
>>> How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?
>>
>> Probably all, perhaps none. Read 61.1 (b)(3). Possible catches: 1) Did
>> you land at any of those places? Was at least one of your landings at
>> least 50 nm straight-line distance from your point of departure?
>>
>> Vaughn
>
> Hmm ..... I thought I already replied to this, but it isn't showing
> up, so if it repeats, I apologize.
>
> All the distances listed above were straight line distances. I flew
> each of these to a full stop landing. Therefore, Leg 2 of 59 NM I
> know for a fact can be logged xcountry, but I'm unsure of the rest.
> Sorry for the confusion.

My suggestions remains to read 61.1 (b)(3). You can easily do that on
the Internet, but if you don't own a FAR/AIM, it's probably time to buy
one.

In short, assuming that all the other requirements were met(pilot
certification, type of aircraft etc.) you can log the whole flight as
long as one of your landings was at least 50 NM from your starting point.

Vaughn

[Dave Doe]

In article >, ,
Vaughn says...
>
> On 5/8/2012 6:10 PM, Don P wrote:
> > On May 8, 11:32 am, > wrote:
> >> On 5/7/2012 9:55 PM, Don P wrote:> Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
> >>> Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
> >>> Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
> >>> Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs
> >>
> >>> How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?
> >>
> >> Probably all, perhaps none. Read 61.1 (b)(3). Possible catches: 1) Did
> >> you land at any of those places? Was at least one of your landings at
> >> least 50 nm straight-line distance from your point of departure?
> >>
> >> Vaughn
> >
> > Hmm ..... I thought I already replied to this, but it isn't showing
> > up, so if it repeats, I apologize.
> >
> > All the distances listed above were straight line distances. I flew
> > each of these to a full stop landing. Therefore, Leg 2 of 59 NM I
> > know for a fact can be logged xcountry, but I'm unsure of the rest.
> > Sorry for the confusion.
>
> My suggestions remains to read 61.1 (b)(3). You can easily do that on
> the Internet, but if you don't own a FAR/AIM, it's probably time to buy
> one.
>
> In short, assuming that all the other requirements were met(pilot
> certification, type of aircraft etc.) you can log the whole flight as
> long as one of your landings was at least 50 NM from your starting point.
>
> Vaughn

sounds about right to me.

--
Duncan.

[Bob Moore]

Don P > wrote
> Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
> Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
> Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
> Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs
> How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?

If you redefine your starting point as starting at the begining
of leg two, then legs 2 and 3 can be logged, otherwise, none of
the landings were accomplished at a point more than 50 miles from
the original starting point.

Bob Moore
ATP CFI

[george152]

Then again we have had posters in here whos aviation expertise didn't
extend past Microsoft Flight Simulator but who thought that sufficient
to post here as pilots....

[Dave Doe]

In article >,
, George152 says...
>
> Then again we have had posters in here whos aviation expertise didn't
> extend past Microsoft Flight Simulator but who thought that sufficient
> to post here as pilots....

And I think most of us have learnt to either a) use the "Bozo bin" or b)
ignore, such posters.

But as an aside, do you use a 'main' training manual in the USA? - such
as Fenwicks? (hope I got the spelling right - and hope that's what is
still used here in NZ - been nearly 30 years since I got my PPL).

--
Duncan.

[george152]

On 5/10/2012 10:58 AM, Dave Doe wrote:
> In >,
> , George152 says...
>> Then again we have had posters in here whos aviation expertise didn't
>> extend past Microsoft Flight Simulator but who thought that sufficient
>> to post here as pilots....
> And I think most of us have learnt to either a) use the "Bozo bin" or b)
> ignore, such posters.
>
> But as an aside, do you use a 'main' training manual in the USA? - such
> as Fenwicks? (hope I got the spelling right - and hope that's what is
> still used here in NZ - been nearly 30 years since I got my PPL).
>
As I'm a Kiwi and had access to Ken Fenwicks Manual when I did my PPL in
1968 at Paraparaumu . :-)
I have no idea as to the US training manuals

[Greg Russell]

On Mon, 07 May 2012 18:55:39 -0700, Don P wrote in
:

> Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip: Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6
> Hobbs
> Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
> Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs
>
> How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?

Usenet postings don't qualify as log time.

[Dave Doe]

In article >, , Edward A.
Falk says...
>
> In article >,
> Edward A. Falk > wrote:
> >
> >Technically, all of it can be logged as cross-country.
>
> Oh, wait. Turns out that it's an an FAQ:
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/aviation/faq/section-8.html#b
>
> Apparently the norm is 50nm to be counted toward a license
> or rating, with the notable exception being ATP which has
> no lower limit.

Yep, you're on to it - the talk is about X country flight *training* :)

--
Duncan.

[Capt. Wes B.]

Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs

How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?

I agree with the other comments. It would/should count as a cross country flight of a total distance of 144.5 NM and a total time of: 1.6 hrs-If I remember correctly (I don't have a FAR AIM right in front of me) but as far as the cross country requirements are concerned for your P.P.L. it needs to be a trip total of 150 NM. So while this particular trip would not count as part of that requirement, it should give you the cross country hours you will need and can use.

Capt. Wes B.
B.S. Aviation Management CFI-I, MEI

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[Dylan Smith[_2_]]

On 2012-05-09, Bob Moore > wrote:
> Don P > wrote
>> Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
>> Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
>> Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
>> Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs
>> How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?
>
> If you redefine your starting point as starting at the begining
> of leg two, then legs 2 and 3 can be logged, otherwise, none of
> the landings were accomplished at a point more than 50 miles from
> the original starting point.

Well, it could still all be cross country if you start at the beginning
of leg 1. The poster didn't say that leg 3 ended at the start point
of leg 1, it's possible that at the end of leg 3, the poster was at
most a straight line distance of 145.5NM from the starting point of leg 1.

[150flivver]

Any

On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 11:11:29 AM UTC-5, Dylan Smith wrote:
> On 2012-05-09, Bob Moore > wrote:
> > Don P > wrote
> >> Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
> >> Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
> >> Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
> >> Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs
> >> How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?
> >
> > If you redefine your starting point as starting at the begining
> > of leg two, then legs 2 and 3 can be logged, otherwise, none of
> > the landings were accomplished at a point more than 50 miles from
> > the original starting point.
>
> Well, it could still all be cross country if you start at the beginning
> of leg 1. The poster didn't say that leg 3 ended at the start point
> of leg 1, it's possible that at the end of leg 3, the poster was at
> most a straight line distance of 145.5NM from the starting point of leg 1..

Any flight where you land at an airfield different from the one you took off from can be logged as cross country. Not all cross country time can be used for the required aeronautical experience needed for additional ratings. You need to look up the rating requirement for the particular cross country time that applies.

[[email protected]]

On Monday, May 7, 2012 8:55:39 PM UTC-5, Don P wrote:
> Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
> Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
> Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
> Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs
>
> How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?

Lots of good points here about what counts as X/C time for ratings, certs and currency - but one point to remember is that it's your logbook - you can log whatever you want in it.