Colibri II losing seal

[Thomas McMullen]

If you have a Colibri II make sure that the battery does not fully
discharge. Doing so will break the seal and it will need to be
returned for resealing. If you plan to store it for a period of time
make sure you check it on a schedule to ensure that the battery still
has a charge. The manual cautions you to not let the battery discharge
but fails to tell you the consequences of doing so.

[T[_2_]]

On May 17, 5:49*pm, Thomas McMullen > wrote:
> If you have a Colibri II make sure that the battery does not fully
> discharge. Doing so will break the seal and it will need to be
> returned for resealing. If you plan to store it for a period of time
> make sure you check it on a schedule to ensure that the battery still
> has a charge. The manual cautions you to not let the battery discharge
> but fails to tell you the consequences of doing so.

I wonder if the Nano has the same issue?
T

[BruceGreeff]

All LX instruments do this...

On 2012/05/18 2:49 AM, Thomas McMullen wrote:
> If you have a Colibri II make sure that the battery does not fully
> discharge. Doing so will break the seal and it will need to be
> returned for resealing. If you plan to store it for a period of time
> make sure you check it on a schedule to ensure that the battery still
> has a charge. The manual cautions you to not let the battery discharge
> but fails to tell you the consequences of doing so.

--
Bruce Greeff
T59D #1771

[Paul Remde]

"BruceGreeff" > wrote in message
...
All LX instruments do this...

On 2012/05/18 2:49 AM, Thomas McMullen wrote:
> If you have a Colibri II make sure that the battery does not fully
> discharge. Doing so will break the seal and it will need to be
> returned for resealing. If you plan to store it for a period of time
> make sure you check it on a schedule to ensure that the battery still
> has a charge. The manual cautions you to not let the battery discharge
> but fails to tell you the consequences of doing so.

--
Bruce Greeff
T59D #1771

_________________
Hi,

That is not true. The Colibri and LX 4000, 5000, 7000, 8000, 9000, etc. all
have a "backup battery" that is used to retain the unit's memory. The
backup battery is not used to power the unit. The backup batteries last
about 5 years.

If I'm understanding the posts about the LX Navigation Colibri II correctly,
it is the main battery (the one used to power the unit in flight) that is
used to keep the unit's memory and security seal intact - sort of like an
iPAQ's main battery. When the main battery dies, the security seal and
flight logs and settings are lost. If that is true, it is a bummer.

Someone made a recent post in this thread asking if the LXNAV Nano has the
same issue. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. I just removed the main
battery from my Nano and replaced it and the unit's security seal is still
valid. The main battery (used to power the unit in flight) can be changed
without affecting the security. The battery compartment is not the secure
part of the unit. After opening the unit and removing the battery I saw that
the main part of the unit (the part other than the battery compartment) has
a security seal. It is my assumption that there is a "10 year" backup
battery for retaining the unit's security seal and settings in that secure
compartment.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde

[Derek Mackie]

On May 18, 8:07*am, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
> "BruceGreeff" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> All LX instruments do this...
>
> On 2012/05/18 2:49 AM, Thomas McMullen wrote:
>
> > If you have a Colibri II make sure that the battery does not fully
> > discharge. Doing so will break the seal and it will need to be
> > returned for resealing. If you plan to store it for a period of time
> > make sure you check it on a schedule to ensure that the battery still
> > has a charge. The manual cautions you to not let the battery discharge
> > but fails to tell you the consequences of doing so.
>
> --
> Bruce Greeff
> T59D #1771
>
> _________________
> Hi,
>
> That is not true. *The Colibri and LX 4000, 5000, 7000, 8000, 9000, etc.. all
> have a "backup battery" that is used to retain the unit's memory. *The
> backup battery is not used to power the unit. *The backup batteries last
> about 5 years.
>
> If I'm understanding the posts about the LX Navigation Colibri II correctly,
> it is the main battery (the one used to power the unit in flight) that is
> used to keep the unit's memory and security seal intact - sort of like an
> iPAQ's main battery. *When the main battery dies, the security seal and
> flight logs and settings are lost. If that is true, it is a bummer.
>
> Someone made a recent post in this thread asking if the LXNAV Nano has the
> same issue. *I'm pretty sure the answer is no. *I just removed the main
> battery from my Nano and replaced it and the unit's security seal is still
> valid. *The main battery (used to power the unit in flight) can be changed
> without affecting the security. *The battery compartment is not the secure
> part of the unit. After opening the unit and removing the battery I saw that
> the main part of the unit (the part other than the battery compartment) has
> a security seal. *It is my assumption that there is a "10 year" backup
> battery for retaining the unit's security seal and settings in that secure
> compartment.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul Remde

The original manual and the sales brochure said the Colibri II
batteries could be changed by the owner without violating the seal,
however, there is a sticker over the case screws that says you have to
return it to the dealer to open it. My first Colibri II was delivered
with not enough power in the battery to turn the unit on and the seal
already violated. The unit was replaced. I sincerely hope the seal
stays valid with a discharded battery, but now I doubt it - too bad
because I already lost one Colibri in shipping to get the internal
battery replaced.

The Colibri II is a very impressive piece of kit and I am very happy
with it in all respects. I hope to remain happy in spite of the
above.

Derek

[Tony[_5_]]

well at least you can play Snake on the Colibri II.

[Tim Mara]

not exactly true.
I do think there might have been so issue with operating the colibri with an
already too low battery for it to fully boot up or getting caught with a
dead battery giving up on closing the flight file so it is warranted to
keep it and other devices that are string files charged or on some external
power during these times. The Colibri will charge while on external power or
when connected to a USB PC or wall charger with the proper USB adapter
(supplied with most).
There is also a software update for the earliest Colibri II's available that
may solve any previous issue

Fw version 1.5 available. Please send request for update file including sn
of your Colibri II to This e-mail address is
being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it . Only
IGC approved Colibri II units can be updated!

tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com


"Thomas McMullen" > wrote in message
...
> If you have a Colibri II make sure that the battery does not fully
> discharge. Doing so will break the seal and it will need to be
> returned for resealing. If you plan to store it for a period of time
> make sure you check it on a schedule to ensure that the battery still
> has a charge. The manual cautions you to not let the battery discharge
> but fails to tell you the consequences of doing so.

[BruceGreeff]

OK - let me be more specific.

If the unit is more than a couple of years old - you can confidently
assume that the on board button battery is dead. This retains the state
of the NVRAM when the removable battery is removed. On the older LX20
units this is actually a little 9v battery not a button, but I digress.

Fact is that in these circumstances - the only thing keeping power on
the NVRAM is the primary battery - let it get too low, and / or remove
it and the electronic seal is gone.

Remedy is to service the unit every two or three years.

Not sure about the Colibri II - not played with one but...

Bruce

On 2012/05/18 2:07 PM, Paul Remde wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> All LX instruments do this...
>
> On 2012/05/18 2:49 AM, Thomas McMullen wrote:
>> If you have a Colibri II make sure that the battery does not fully
>> discharge. Doing so will break the seal and it will need to be
>> returned for resealing. If you plan to store it for a period of time
>> make sure you check it on a schedule to ensure that the battery still
>> has a charge. The manual cautions you to not let the battery discharge
>> but fails to tell you the consequences of doing so.
>

--
Bruce Greeff
T59D #1771

[[email protected]]

On Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:49:28 PM UTC-4, Thomas McMullen wrote:
> If you have a Colibri II make sure that the battery does not fully
> discharge. Doing so will break the seal and it will need to be
> returned for resealing. If you plan to store it for a period of time
> make sure you check it on a schedule to ensure that the battery still
> has a charge. The manual cautions you to not let the battery discharge
> but fails to tell you the consequences of doing so.

Thanks for this info was totally unaware of this will keep my Colibri II plugged in when not in use! Thanks again.

Rick