Has anyone here seen Red Tails - 1 attachment

[clairbear]

Just curious if it is worth adding to my Bluray/DVD collection

[Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA]

Yes, I have seen it.
Yes, I enjoyed it, the acting is pretty good but the CGI leaves a bit to be
desired.

But, overall its a keeper.

--

Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA
East Innisfail
QLD, Australia

"clairbear" > wrote in message
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> Just curious if it is worth adding to my Bluray/DVD collection
>
>

[Savageduck[_3_]]

On 2012-05-22 19:58:27 -0700, clairbear > said:

> Just curious if it is worth adding to my Bluray/DVD collection
>
> <image>

I have only read some of the reviews and some other feed back, and what
I get is this movie does not do the Tuskegee Airmen justice. It seems
there is a lot of CGI effects and an over the top story line.

The 1995 PBS DVD "The Tuskegee Airmen" with Andre Braugher as Gen.
Benjamin O. Davis, Laurence Fishburne, and Cuba Gooding Jr. is
marginally better.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[clairbear]

"Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA"
> wrote in
eb.com:

> Yes, I have seen it.
> Yes, I enjoyed it, the acting is pretty good but the CGI leaves a bit
> to be desired.
>
> But, overall its a keeper.
>

Thanksi might have to go out and get it

[clairbear]

Savageduck > wrote in
news:2012052220422077923-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:

> On 2012-05-22 19:58:27 -0700, clairbear > said:
>
>> Just curious if it is worth adding to my Bluray/DVD collection
>>
>> <image>
>
> I have only read some of the reviews and some other feed back, and what
> I get is this movie does not do the Tuskegee Airmen justice. It seems
> there is a lot of CGI effects and an over the top story line.
>
> The 1995 PBS DVD "The Tuskegee Airmen" with Andre Braugher as Gen.
> Benjamin O. Davis, Laurence Fishburne, and Cuba Gooding Jr. is
> marginally better.
>

It did get kind of mixed reviews I don't think it was seen by a lot of
peopleI wonder if some of the reviewers expected more Historical movies
rarely hit the mark for accuracy

[Savageduck[_3_]]

On 2012-05-22 21:57:23 -0700, clairbear > said:

> "Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA"
> > wrote in
> eb.com:
>
>> Yes, I have seen it.
>> Yes, I enjoyed it, the acting is pretty good but the CGI leaves a bit
>> to be desired.
>>
>> But, overall its a keeper.
>>
>
> Thanksi might have to go out and get it

I would do a Netflix rental or stream first.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Jovian]

clairbear > wrote in news:XnsA05CA80AEBDFclairbear@
216.196.97.142:

> Savageduck > wrote in
> news:2012052220422077923-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:
>
>> On 2012-05-22 19:58:27 -0700, clairbear > said:
>>
>>> Just curious if it is worth adding to my Bluray/DVD collection
>>>
>>> <image>
>>
>> I have only read some of the reviews and some other feed back, and
what
>> I get is this movie does not do the Tuskegee Airmen justice. It seems
>> there is a lot of CGI effects and an over the top story line.
>>
>> The 1995 PBS DVD "The Tuskegee Airmen" with Andre Braugher as Gen.
>> Benjamin O. Davis, Laurence Fishburne, and Cuba Gooding Jr. is
>> marginally better.
>>
>
> It did get kind of mixed reviews I don't think it was seen by a lot of
> peopleI wonder if some of the reviewers expected more Historical movies
> rarely hit the mark for accuracy
>


Ohhhh... I really hate to say this in here. It is not
my intention to start some flame war, BUT...

Reviews and critics don't make or break a flicker.

Most folks are smart enough (I pray) to smell skunks.
The skunk in this example is political correctness.

Without my perfunctory 30 minutes dissertation on this,
just know that Hollyweird would have you believe that the
Tuskegee Airmen won the War in Europe. Then you ask, who
won the War in the Pacific?

You don't know your history like Hollyweird does.


The War in the Pacific was won by...


wait for it....


The Indian code-talkers.

I respect everything the Tuskegee pilots and the
Indians did, but a wider range of people had no
small part in that effort.

[Savageduck[_3_]]

On 2012-05-23 11:46:28 -0700, Jovian > said:

> clairbear > wrote in news:XnsA05CA80AEBDFclairbear@
> 216.196.97.142:
>
>> Savageduck > wrote in
>> news:2012052220422077923-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:
>>
>>> On 2012-05-22 19:58:27 -0700, clairbear > said:
>>>
>>>> Just curious if it is worth adding to my Bluray/DVD collection
>>>>
>>>> <image>
>>>
>>> I have only read some of the reviews and some other feed back, and
> what
>>> I get is this movie does not do the Tuskegee Airmen justice. It seems
>>> there is a lot of CGI effects and an over the top story line.
>>>
>>> The 1995 PBS DVD "The Tuskegee Airmen" with Andre Braugher as Gen.
>>> Benjamin O. Davis, Laurence Fishburne, and Cuba Gooding Jr. is
>>> marginally better.
>>>
>>
>> It did get kind of mixed reviews I don't think it was seen by a lot of
>> peopleI wonder if some of the reviewers expected more Historical movies
>> rarely hit the mark for accuracy
>>
>
>
> Ohhhh... I really hate to say this in here. It is not
> my intention to start some flame war, BUT...
>
> Reviews and critics don't make or break a flicker.
>
> Most folks are smart enough (I pray) to smell skunks.
> The skunk in this example is political correctness.
>
> Without my perfunctory 30 minutes dissertation on this,
> just know that Hollyweird would have you believe that the
> Tuskegee Airmen won the War in Europe. Then you ask, who
> won the War in the Pacific?
>
> You don't know your history like Hollyweird does.
>
>
> The War in the Pacific was won by...
>
>
> wait for it....
>
>
> The Indian code-talkers.
>
> I respect everything the Tuskegee pilots and the
> Indians did, but a wider range of people had no
> small part in that effort.

Agreed!

Others who would agree include quite a few Russians, Brits of all
flavors, expat Czechs, expat Poles, expat Dutch, expat Norwegians,
expat Danes, Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians, South Africans,
Rhodesians, Free French, Post 1943 Surrender Italians, Micronesian
Natives, Chinese, Indians, Nepalese, and our pre-cold war ally in the
Balkans, Tito, and a group of nationalist guerillas in French
Indo-China.

....then there were the many unidentified of other nations and ethnic
groups who fought, fueled by a sense of right.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA]

"Savageduck" > wrote in message
news:2012052222093937709-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
> On 2012-05-22 21:57:23 -0700, clairbear > said:
>
>> "Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA"
>> > wrote in
>> eb.com:
>>
>>> Yes, I have seen it.
>>> Yes, I enjoyed it, the acting is pretty good but the CGI leaves a bit
>>> to be desired.
>>>
>>> But, overall its a keeper.
>>>
>>
>> Thanksi might have to go out and get it
>
> I would do a Netflix rental or stream first.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>
Or just download it from one of many places it is available on the 'net. (So
I am told)
I have heard that people can do that nowadays. ;-)

--

Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA
East Innisfail
QLD, Australia

[clairbear]

Savageduck > wrote in
news:2012052312231422503-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:

> On 2012-05-23 11:46:28 -0700, Jovian > said:
>
>> clairbear > wrote in news:XnsA05CA80AEBDFclairbear@
>> 216.196.97.142:
>>
>>> Savageduck > wrote in
>>> news:2012052220422077923-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:
>>>
>>>> On 2012-05-22 19:58:27 -0700, clairbear > said:
>>>>
>>>>> Just curious if it is worth adding to my Bluray/DVD collection
>>>>>
>>>>> <image>
>>>>
>>>> I have only read some of the reviews and some other feed back, and
>> what
>>>> I get is this movie does not do the Tuskegee Airmen justice. It
seems
>>>> there is a lot of CGI effects and an over the top story line.
>>>>
>>>> The 1995 PBS DVD "The Tuskegee Airmen" with Andre Braugher as Gen.
>>>> Benjamin O. Davis, Laurence Fishburne, and Cuba Gooding Jr. is
>>>> marginally better.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It did get kind of mixed reviews I don't think it was seen by a lot
of
>>> peopleI wonder if some of the reviewers expected more Historical
movies
>>> rarely hit the mark for accuracy
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ohhhh... I really hate to say this in here. It is not
>> my intention to start some flame war, BUT...
>>
>> Reviews and critics don't make or break a flicker.
>>
>> Most folks are smart enough (I pray) to smell skunks.
>> The skunk in this example is political correctness.
>>
>> Without my perfunctory 30 minutes dissertation on this,
>> just know that Hollyweird would have you believe that the
>> Tuskegee Airmen won the War in Europe. Then you ask, who
>> won the War in the Pacific?
>>
>> You don't know your history like Hollyweird does.
>>
>>
>> The War in the Pacific was won by...
>>
>>
>> wait for it....
>>
>>
>> The Indian code-talkers.
>>
>> I respect everything the Tuskegee pilots and the
>> Indians did, but a wider range of people had no
>> small part in that effort.
>
> Agreed!
>
> Others who would agree include quite a few Russians, Brits of all
> flavors, expat Czechs, expat Poles, expat Dutch, expat Norwegians,
> expat Danes, Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians, South Africans,
> Rhodesians, Free French, Post 1943 Surrender Italians, Micronesian
> Natives, Chinese, Indians, Nepalese, and our pre-cold war ally in the
> Balkans, Tito, and a group of nationalist guerillas in French
> Indo-China.
>
> ...then there were the many unidentified of other nations and ethnic
> groups who fought, fueled by a sense of right.
>
Every war film that fictionalizes the history of WW2 makes it seem as if
the war could not be won without them. Movies like the Big Red One, Go
For Broke(abuot the Nisei soldiers), Private ryan ans somany other make
it look like the war could not be won without a small group, But that is
just a plot device to make the heros of the movie seem more heroic.

[Jovian]

clairbear > wrote in news:XnsA05E6162934C4clairbear@
216.196.97.142:

> Every war film that fictionalizes the history of WW2 makes
> it seem as if the war could not be won without them.


Agree wholeheartedly. My issue is that Hollyweird keeps
pumping out the garbage and the woefully uneducated sop
it up.

I'm sure that many of these fictionalized accounts are
entertaining. I just refuse to drop dime or trou for them.

Refused to see that code-talker movie since the treatment
had us believe that the Indians were as important, secret
and protected as the Manhattan Project. Jeepers people! The
truth is sooooo much more fascinating and entertaining.

[Richard[_8_]]

On 5/25/2012 8:34 AM, clairbear wrote:
>
> Every war film that fictionalizes the history of WW2 makes it seem as if
> the war could not be won without them. Movies like the Big Red One, Go
> For Broke(abuot the Nisei soldiers), Private ryan ans somany other make
> it look like the war could not be won without a small group, But that is
> just a plot device to make the heros of the movie seem more heroic.


In a way that's actually true.

It's just that there are a whole lot of those little groups.
And they all have a story.


But the wars would not have been won without them.

[J.J. O'Shea]

On Wed, 23 May 2012 01:02:01 -0400, clairbear wrote
(in article >):

> Savageduck > wrote in
> news:2012052220422077923-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:
>
>> On 2012-05-22 19:58:27 -0700, clairbear > said:
>>
>>> Just curious if it is worth adding to my Bluray/DVD collection
>>>
>>> <image>
>>
>> I have only read some of the reviews and some other feed back, and what
>> I get is this movie does not do the Tuskegee Airmen justice. It seems
>> there is a lot of CGI effects and an over the top story line.
>>
>> The 1995 PBS DVD "The Tuskegee Airmen" with Andre Braugher as Gen.
>> Benjamin O. Davis, Laurence Fishburne, and Cuba Gooding Jr. is
>> marginally better.
>>
>
> It did get kind of mixed reviews I don't think it was seen by a lot of
> peopleI wonder if some of the reviewers expected more Historical movies
> rarely hit the mark for accuracy

It wasn't particularly accurate.

It didn't mention some of the truly magnificent things that the 322nd FG did,
including being the first and until Desert Storm the only aerial unit to
receive a surrender from ground forces. The film also screwed up on a factual
basis: the bombers they escorted in the film were all B-17s; in real life,
four of the five heavy bomb groups they were responsible for covering flew
B-24s. The mission to Berlin wasn't the longest-range escort mission of the
war. It wasn't even the longest range mission in Europe. The 322nd _did_ lose
bombers to enemy fighters... just not very many, 26 in total, including three
on that mission to Berlin. The next lowest total was more than double the
losses that the 322nd allowed. They were very, very, VERY good, they just
weren't perfect. The 322nd were not the first to shoot down Me-262s; the
first Allied fighters to kill Me-262s were Canadian. Tempests, I think, but I
could be wrong about that. The 322nd _were_ the ones who got the _most_
Me-262s in one action, and at the lowest losses: they got four, for the loss
of five P-51s and a B-24, on that flight to Berlin.

The film-makers Hollywooded it up something awesome. Frankly, I thought that
it was insulting.

--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

[clairbear]

J.J. O'Shea > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 23 May 2012 01:02:01 -0400, clairbear wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> Savageduck > wrote in
>> news:2012052220422077923-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:
>>
>>> On 2012-05-22 19:58:27 -0700, clairbear > said:
>>>
>>>> Just curious if it is worth adding to my Bluray/DVD collection
>>>>
>>>> <image>
>>>
>>> I have only read some of the reviews and some other feed back, and
>>> what I get is this movie does not do the Tuskegee Airmen justice. It
>>> seems there is a lot of CGI effects and an over the top story line.
>>>
>>> The 1995 PBS DVD "The Tuskegee Airmen" with Andre Braugher as Gen.
>>> Benjamin O. Davis, Laurence Fishburne, and Cuba Gooding Jr. is
>>> marginally better.
>>>
>>
>> It did get kind of mixed reviews I don't think it was seen by a lot
>> of peopleI wonder if some of the reviewers expected more Historical
>> movies rarely hit the mark for accuracy
>
> It wasn't particularly accurate.
>
> It didn't mention some of the truly magnificent things that the 322nd
> FG did, including being the first and until Desert Storm the only
> aerial unit to receive a surrender from ground forces. The film also
> screwed up on a factual basis: the bombers they escorted in the film
> were all B-17s; in real life, four of the five heavy bomb groups they
> were responsible for covering flew B-24s. The mission to Berlin wasn't
> the longest-range escort mission of the war. It wasn't even the
> longest range mission in Europe. The 322nd _did_ lose bombers to enemy
> fighters... just not very many, 26 in total, including three on that
> mission to Berlin. The next lowest total was more than double the
> losses that the 322nd allowed. They were very, very, VERY good, they
> just weren't perfect. The 322nd were not the first to shoot down
> Me-262s; the first Allied fighters to kill Me-262s were Canadian.
> Tempests, I think, but I could be wrong about that. The 322nd _were_
> the ones who got the _most_ Me-262s in one action, and at the lowest
> losses: they got four, for the loss of five P-51s and a B-24, on that
> flight to Berlin.
>
> The film-makers Hollywooded it up something awesome. Frankly, I
> thought that it was insulting.
>

in a two hour movie they cannot cover everything and when you make a
drama abou heroes sometimes you do gild the lily a bit But you wanna
talk a history movie that was an insult what about "peral Harbor" About
the only thing in that movie that was accurate was that is was the
japanese who did attack Peral Harbor

[Savageduck[_3_]]

On 2012-05-28 20:06:17 -0700, clairbear > said:

> J.J. O'Shea > wrote in
> :

<<< Le Snip >>>
>>
>> The film-makers Hollywooded it up something awesome. Frankly, I
>> thought that it was insulting.
>>
>
> in a two hour movie they cannot cover everything and when you make a
> drama abou heroes sometimes you do gild the lily a bit But you wanna
> talk a history movie that was an insult what about "peral Harbor" About
> the only thing in that movie that was accurate was that is was the
> japanese who did attack Peral Harbor

Yup If you are going to make a movie with a fictional story line
loosely based on history, then make it a good one. There have been
several great movies of the fictional variety based on historic events.
There have also been some great depictions of historic events, some
nothing more than glorifying stretches of the imagination, and some
which work on both the historic level and the story telling level.

David Lean has dealt with both types to produce "Bridge on The River
Kwai" a magnificently presented fictional tale based in history, and
"Lawrence of Arabia" a spectacular piece of history limited in its
scope by the medium. "Lawrence of Arabia" has issues due to embroidery
of the story, and omission of many details.

Kubrick's masterpiece on this genre is "Paths of Glory".

Then there are some of the post war movies which lacked in production
values told good stories and sometimes twisted facts to glorify the
victors. Of this group I give you the fiction on the fringe of historic
fact. "From Here to Eternity" and the two moral boosting British
efforts based purely on historic events and characters, "Reach for the
Sky" & "The Dambusters".

Then there is the historically factual tale of Frans Von Werra in "The
One Who Got Away" a great story regardless of loyalties which was well
presented by an English studio.

B&W does work for war movies, fiction & historic.

Both "Red Tails" and "Pearl Harbor" are failures of story telling and
historic documentary. What can be determined from both is, WWII took
place in color and CGI.


--
Regards,

Savageduck