thanks Soaring Magazine

[Brad[_2_]]

I provided soaring magazine with dozens of high quality images shot
from the ground and from the air of the Tetra-15. First flight was 3
months ago and for some reason the editor has elected to entertain us
with pictures of Libelles and other European glass.

You would think after 10 years of dedicated hard work and perseverance
at least 1 picture would make it into the magazine.

Well, I bet the DuckHawk and Concordia get some page time in the next
issue.

Thanks again guys,
Brad

[Bob Kuykendall]

I don't really care that Soaring has given the HP-24 Project zero
coverage in Soaring Magazine. That is as I have come to expect.

But I think that Brad has been treated pretty shabbily here. His
Tetra-15 is arguably one of the best amateur-built sailplanes there
has ever been, and I think it would be nice if you didn't have to
subscribe to the Canadian national soaring magazine to read a few
column inches about it.

Thanks, Bob K.
http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24
https://www.facebook.com/pages/HP-24-Sailplane-Project/200931354951

[Jock Proudfoot]

. . . . the Canadian national soaring magazine to read a few
column inches about it.

"free flight 2012/2" - HP-24 maiden flight
http://www.sac.ca/index2.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=602&Itemid=88

[Bill D]

On Jun 4, 11:24*pm, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
> I don't really care that Soaring has given the HP-24 Project zero
> coverage in Soaring Magazine. That is as I have come to expect.
>
> But I think that Brad has been treated pretty shabbily here. His
> Tetra-15 is arguably one of the best amateur-built sailplanes there
> has ever been, and I think it would be nice if you didn't have to
> subscribe to the Canadian national soaring magazine to read a few
> column inches about it.
>
> Thanks, Bob K.http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24https://www.facebook.com/pages/HP-24-Sailplane-Project/200931354951

Yours is a good story and it should be in Soaring. However, to get it
published, you have to write it. There are no reporters on the
Soaring staff. Just sending in photos won't get it done.

[Karl Kunz[_2_]]

Bob & Brad, I think Bill has it right, you guys could probably write up a multi-issue article on building the Tetra-15/ HP24. Having followed the progress it really is a very interesting story and should be told by those who know it best. You could probably extract most of it from the HP website and Facebook.

-karl

On Tuesday, June 12 6:24:59 AM UTC-7, Bill D wrote:
> On Jun 4, 11:24*pm, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
> > I don't really care that Soaring has given the HP-24 Project zero
> > coverage in Soaring Magazine. That is as I have come to expect.
> >
> > But I think that Brad has been treated pretty shabbily here. His
> > Tetra-15 is arguably one of the best amateur-built sailplanes there
> > has ever been, and I think it would be nice if you didn't have to
> > subscribe to the Canadian national soaring magazine to read a few
> > column inches about it.
> >
> > Thanks, Bob K.http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24https://www.facebook.com/pages/HP-24-Sailplane-Project/200931354951
>
> Yours is a good story and it should be in Soaring. However, to get it
> published, you have to write it. There are no reporters on the
> Soaring staff. Just sending in photos won't get it done.

[km]

On Jun 4, 8:17*pm, Brad > wrote:
> I provided soaring magazine with dozens of high quality images shot
> from the ground and from the air of the Tetra-15.............
>
> Thanks again guys,
> Brad

Something that is interesting is that I got a hold of a stack of old
soaring magazines that were about to be discarded and back in the 70's
Soaring actually had a regular column for homebuilt sailplanes. Maybe
some emails to the editor could bring something like this back.

[Wayne Paul]

I guess this is one of the biggest differences between "Soaring" and "Free
Flight". If Tony Burton, the editor of Free Flight, hears about something
news worthy happening and no one submits an article, he will write one.
Notice in the "Free Flight" link posted earlier, Tony authored articles.

In contrast, to be news worthy in "Soaring", having the skills to design and
build a fabulous sailplane isn't enough, you must also be an author.

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder



"Bill D" wrote in message
...

On Jun 4, 11:24 pm, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
> I don't really care that Soaring has given the HP-24 Project zero
> coverage in Soaring Magazine. That is as I have come to expect.
>
> But I think that Brad has been treated pretty shabbily here. His
> Tetra-15 is arguably one of the best amateur-built sailplanes there
> has ever been, and I think it would be nice if you didn't have to
> subscribe to the Canadian national soaring magazine to read a few
> column inches about it.
>
> Thanks, Bob
> K.http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24https://www.facebook.com/pages/HP-24-Sailplane-Project/200931354951

Yours is a good story and it should be in Soaring. However, to get it
published, you have to write it. There are no reporters on the
Soaring staff. Just sending in photos won't get it done.

[son_of_flubber]

On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 7:59:51 AM UTC-4, Jock Proudfoot wrote:

> "free flight 2012/2" - HP-24 maiden flight
> http://www.sac.ca/index2.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=602&Itemid=88

Wow. What a nice magazine and so nice that it is available on the web.

[Greg Arnold]

On 6/5/2012 7:41 AM, Wayne Paul wrote:
> I guess this is one of the biggest differences between "Soaring" and
> "Free Flight". If Tony Burton, the editor of Free Flight, hears about
> something news worthy happening and no one submits an article, he will
> write one. Notice in the "Free Flight" link posted earlier, Tony
> authored articles.

Many decades ago, a SOARING editor like Doug Lamont was an active
soaring pilot, and both wrote articles and approached pilots about
writing articles. Now, it appears that the editor has no active
involvement in the soaring scene, and passively chooses articles from
whatever appears in each month's mailbag.



>
> In contrast, to be news worthy in "Soaring", having the skills to design
> and build a fabulous sailplane isn't enough, you must also be an author.
>
> Wayne
> http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder
>
>
>
> "Bill D" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Jun 4, 11:24 pm, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
>> I don't really care that Soaring has given the HP-24 Project zero
>> coverage in Soaring Magazine. That is as I have come to expect.
>>
>> But I think that Brad has been treated pretty shabbily here. His
>> Tetra-15 is arguably one of the best amateur-built sailplanes there
>> has ever been, and I think it would be nice if you didn't have to
>> subscribe to the Canadian national soaring magazine to read a few
>> column inches about it.
>>
>> Thanks, Bob
>> K.http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24https://www.facebook.com/pages/HP-24-Sailplane-Project/200931354951
>>
>
> Yours is a good story and it should be in Soaring. However, to get it
> published, you have to write it. There are no reporters on the
> Soaring staff. Just sending in photos won't get it done.
>
>

[[email protected]]

Greg

On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:13:17 AM UTC-7, Greg Arnold wrote:
> On 6/5/2012 7:41 AM, Wayne Paul wrote:
> > I guess this is one of the biggest differences between "Soaring" and
> > "Free Flight". If Tony Burton, the editor of Free Flight, hears about
> > something news worthy happening and no one submits an article, he will
> > write one. Notice in the "Free Flight" link posted earlier, Tony
> > authored articles.
>
> Many decades ago, a SOARING editor like Doug Lamont was an active
> soaring pilot, and both wrote articles and approached pilots about
> writing articles. Now, it appears that the editor has no active
> involvement in the soaring scene, and passively chooses articles from
> whatever appears in each month's mailbag.
>
>
>
> >
> > In contrast, to be news worthy in "Soaring", having the skills to design
> > and build a fabulous sailplane isn't enough, you must also be an author.
> >
> > Wayne
> > http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder
> >
> >
> >
> > "Bill D" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Jun 4, 11:24 pm, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
> >> I don't really care that Soaring has given the HP-24 Project zero
> >> coverage in Soaring Magazine. That is as I have come to expect.
> >>
> >> But I think that Brad has been treated pretty shabbily here. His
> >> Tetra-15 is arguably one of the best amateur-built sailplanes there
> >> has ever been, and I think it would be nice if you didn't have to
> >> subscribe to the Canadian national soaring magazine to read a few
> >> column inches about it.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Bob
> >> K.http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24https://www.facebook.com/pages/HP-24-Sailplane-Project/200931354951
> >>
> >
> > Yours is a good story and it should be in Soaring. However, to get it
> > published, you have to write it. There are no reporters on the
> > Soaring staff. Just sending in photos won't get it done.
> >
> >

: You are just plain wrong. Just two months ago I spent a three-day weekend soaring with the editor of Soaring. I'll second what Bill said, though: if you want an article in Soaring, write it. I've done that several times. Fred

[Greg Arnold]

On 6/5/2012 8:27 AM, wrote:
> Greg
>
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:13:17 AM UTC-7, Greg Arnold wrote:
>> On 6/5/2012 7:41 AM, Wayne Paul wrote:
>>> I guess this is one of the biggest differences between "Soaring" and
>>> "Free Flight". If Tony Burton, the editor of Free Flight, hears about
>>> something news worthy happening and no one submits an article, he will
>>> write one. Notice in the "Free Flight" link posted earlier, Tony
>>> authored articles.
>>
>> Many decades ago, a SOARING editor like Doug Lamont was an active
>> soaring pilot, and both wrote articles and approached pilots about
>> writing articles. Now, it appears that the editor has no active
>> involvement in the soaring scene, and passively chooses articles from
>> whatever appears in each month's mailbag.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> In contrast, to be news worthy in "Soaring", having the skills to design
>>> and build a fabulous sailplane isn't enough, you must also be an author.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bill D" wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> On Jun 4, 11:24 pm, Bob > wrote:
>>>> I don't really care that Soaring has given the HP-24 Project zero
>>>> coverage in Soaring Magazine. That is as I have come to expect.
>>>>
>>>> But I think that Brad has been treated pretty shabbily here. His
>>>> Tetra-15 is arguably one of the best amateur-built sailplanes there
>>>> has ever been, and I think it would be nice if you didn't have to
>>>> subscribe to the Canadian national soaring magazine to read a few
>>>> column inches about it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Bob
>>>> K.http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24https://www.facebook.com/pages/HP-24-Sailplane-Project/200931354951
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yours is a good story and it should be in Soaring. However, to get it
>>> published, you have to write it. There are no reporters on the
>>> Soaring staff. Just sending in photos won't get it done.
>>>
>>>
>
> : You are just plain wrong. Just two months ago I spent a three-day weekend soaring with the editor of Soaring. I'll second what Bill said, though: if you want an article in Soaring, write it. I've done that several times. Fred


He flew with you in your commercial operation? Three days of dual flights?

[Tim[_2_]]

On Jun 4, 9:17*pm, Brad > wrote:
> I provided soaring magazine with dozens of high quality images shot
> from the ground and from the air of the Tetra-15. First flight was 3
> months ago and for some reason the editor has elected to entertain us
> with pictures of Libelles and other European glass.
>
> You would think after 10 years of dedicated hard work and perseverance
> at least 1 picture would make it into the magazine.
>
> Well, I bet the DuckHawk and Concordia get some page time in the next
> issue.
>
> Thanks again guys,
> Brad

There was a very good article about the Duckhawk that was written by a
non-Windward Performance author a couple years ago and that was
submitted to Soaring Mag.

No publication because the article was "too commercial" according to
Soaring Mag. ???.

Tim EY

[[email protected]]

Greg: I am no longer in a commercial operation. We were flying out of a small strip called Jacumba in San Diego Co. A three day winch clinic sponsored by the Consolidated Glider Clubs of Southern Ca. Fred
>
> He flew with you in your commercial operation? Three days of dual flights?

[[email protected]]

That's one of the difficult decisions an editor has to make. I am not defending the decision because I don't know the circumstances other than what you write. And in any case I'm not defending someone else's editorial decisions, just trying to correct the record about whether or not the editor is a soaring pilot. He is.

Fred

[[email protected]]

I've replied to this previously, but it does not seem to have posted. If this is a duplicate post I apologize.

No, Chuck and I flew with the Consolidated Glider Clubs of Southern California at a winch clinic in Jacumba, San Diego County. I highly recommend the clinic if another comes up and anyone wants a winch endorsement. Fred

[Brad[_2_]]

On Jun 5, 8:27*am, wrote:
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:13:17 AM UTC-7, Greg Arnold wrote:
> > On 6/5/2012 7:41 AM, Wayne Paul wrote:
> > > I guess this is one of the biggest differences between "Soaring" and
> > > "Free Flight". If Tony Burton, the editor of Free Flight, hears about
> > > something news worthy happening and no one submits an article, he will
> > > write one. Notice in the "Free Flight" link posted earlier, Tony
> > > authored articles.
>
> > Many decades ago, a SOARING editor like Doug Lamont was an active
> > soaring pilot, and both wrote articles and approached pilots about
> > writing articles. *Now, it appears that the editor has no active
> > involvement in the soaring scene, and passively chooses articles from
> > whatever appears in each month's mailbag.
>
> > > In contrast, to be news worthy in "Soaring", having the skills to design
> > > and build a fabulous sailplane isn't enough, you must also be an author.
>
> > > Wayne
> > >http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder
>
> > > "Bill D" wrote in message
> > ....
>
> > > On Jun 4, 11:24 pm, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
> > >> I don't really care that Soaring has given the HP-24 Project zero
> > >> coverage in Soaring Magazine. That is as I have come to expect.
>
> > >> But I think that Brad has been treated pretty shabbily here. His
> > >> Tetra-15 is arguably one of the best amateur-built sailplanes there
> > >> has ever been, and I think it would be nice if you didn't have to
> > >> subscribe to the Canadian national soaring magazine to read a few
> > >> column inches about it.
>
> > >> Thanks, Bob
> > >> K.http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24https://www.facebook.com/pages/HP-24-S...
>
> > > Yours is a good story and it should be in Soaring. However, to get it
> > > published, you have to write it. There are no reporters on the
> > > Soaring staff. Just sending in photos won't get it done.
>
> : *You are just plain wrong. *Just two months ago I spent a three-day weekend soaring with the editor of Soaring. *I'll second what Bill said, though: if you want an article in Soaring, write it. *I've done that several times. *Fred

Just to clarify a few points: I spoke with the editor 3 months
ago.............he asked for pictures of the Tetra and I provided
dozens of high quality images taken with high quality digital cameras,
both in-flight and on the ground. I did not write an article for
soaring, but my hope was that there would be images that could be used
for a cover page, or a center spread or one of the several pix used in
the soaring photo showcase. This is what he and I discussed; having
some images added to the magazine.

Brad

[Bob Kuykendall]

I just spoke with Chuck Coyne on the phone today. It seems that we had
our wires crossed, and I had given him the impression that I wanted to
hold off on publishing about the project, which was probably the case
when we previously spoke.

Look for some photo coverage at least about Brad's Tetra-15 in the
July 2012 edition, and a full-length article about the HP-24 project
as a whole in a subsequent issue.

Thanks, Bob K.
http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24
https://www.facebook.com/pages/HP-24-Sailplane-Project/200931354951

[Tony[_5_]]

On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:58:18 PM UTC-5, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
> I just spoke with Chuck Coyne on the phone today. It seems that we had
> our wires crossed, and I had given him the impression that I wanted to
> hold off on publishing about the project, which was probably the case
> when we previously spoke.
>
> Look for some photo coverage at least about Brad's Tetra-15 in the
> July 2012 edition, and a full-length article about the HP-24 project
> as a whole in a subsequent issue.
>
> Thanks, Bob K.
> http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/HP-24-Sailplane-Project/200931354951

Excellent! I can't wait.

[Dan Marotta]

Back in the 90s I wrote an article about a 6 day soaring safari from the
perspective of both pilots who took turns flying and crewing. The magazine
told me it was too long and sent me a t-shirt.

It was published in the Black Forest newsletter.


"Karl Kunz" > wrote in message
...
Bob & Brad, I think Bill has it right, you guys could probably write up a
multi-issue article on building the Tetra-15/ HP24. Having followed the
progress it really is a very interesting story and should be told by those
who know it best. You could probably extract most of it from the HP website
and Facebook.

-karl

On Tuesday, June 12 6:24:59 AM UTC-7, Bill D wrote:
> On Jun 4, 11:24 pm, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
> > I don't really care that Soaring has given the HP-24 Project zero
> > coverage in Soaring Magazine. That is as I have come to expect.
> >
> > But I think that Brad has been treated pretty shabbily here. His
> > Tetra-15 is arguably one of the best amateur-built sailplanes there
> > has ever been, and I think it would be nice if you didn't have to
> > subscribe to the Canadian national soaring magazine to read a few
> > column inches about it.
> >
> > Thanks, Bob
> > K.http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24https://www.facebook.com/pages/HP-24-Sailplane-Project/200931354951
>
> Yours is a good story and it should be in Soaring. However, to get it
> published, you have to write it. There are no reporters on the
> Soaring staff. Just sending in photos won't get it done.

[Tony V]

> Yours is a good story and it should be in Soaring. However, to get it
> published, you have to write it. There are no reporters on the
> Soaring staff. Just sending in photos won't get it done.

Yeah, but the Canadians got it done.

Tony V.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 6/5/2012 8:49 AM, Tim wrote:
> On Jun 4, 9:17 pm, > wrote:
>> I provided soaring magazine with dozens of high quality images shot
>> from the ground and from the air of the Tetra-15. First flight was 3
>> months ago and for some reason the editor has elected to entertain us
>> with pictures of Libelles and other European glass.
>>
>> You would think after 10 years of dedicated hard work and perseverance
>> at least 1 picture would make it into the magazine.
>>
>> Well, I bet the DuckHawk and Concordia get some page time in the next
>> issue.
>>
>> Thanks again guys,
>> Brad
>
> There was a very good article about the Duckhawk that was written by a
> non-Windward Performance author a couple years ago and that was
> submitted to Soaring Mag.
>
> No publication because the article was "too commercial" according to
> Soaring Mag. ???.

I recall the article being posted here. It was not very informative or
interesting, so I think Soaring made the right call.

Soaring has published articles on Windward Performance's SparrowHawk and
the Perlan; when someone close to the DuckHawk project submits an
article, I'm sure it will be published.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

[Karl Kunz[_2_]]

Bob, good news. Are you guys going to write the article (I hope)?

On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 10:58:18 AM UTC-7, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
> I just spoke with Chuck Coyne on the phone today. It seems that we had
> our wires crossed, and I had given him the impression that I wanted to
> hold off on publishing about the project, which was probably the case
> when we previously spoke.
>
> Look for some photo coverage at least about Brad's Tetra-15 in the
> July 2012 edition, and a full-length article about the HP-24 project
> as a whole in a subsequent issue.
>
> Thanks, Bob K.
> http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/HP-24-Sailplane-Project/200931354951

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Jun 6, 7:33*am, Karl Kunz > wrote:
> Bob, good news. Are you guys going to write the article (I hope)?

Karl, the answer is yes, sort of. I don't want to spoil the surprise.

Thanks, Bob K.

[Brad[_2_]]

On Jun 6, 7:55*am, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
> On Jun 6, 7:33*am, Karl Kunz > wrote:
>
> > Bob, good news. Are you guys going to write the article (I hope)?
>
> Karl, the answer is yes, sort of. I don't want to spoil the surprise.
>
> Thanks, Bob K.

someone love us..............:)

http://www.spokesman.com/video/2012/jun/03/soaring-ephrata/

[son_of_flubber]

> someone love us..............:)
>
> http://www.spokesman.com/video/2012/jun/03/soaring-ephrata/

The above link is bad, but this one works.

http://www.spokesman.com/video/2012/jun/07/soaring-ephrata/