Updated picture of the 172 project

[Wayne]

goto http://12.151.5.4/172

The plane is really starting to come along now.

Wayne

[Montblack]

("Wayne" wrote)
> goto http://12.151.5.4/172
>
> The plane is really starting to come along now.


You went artsy on this pic - fun. <g>
http://12.151.5.4/172/2003_11_22/100_1011.jpg
(better to see this one in large format)

If you have time ......just curious.

Hours into project?
Costs you didn't expect?
Did you have a ballpark budget going in - are you still in the ballpark?
:-)

Things you'd do different - next time?
Things that went better (smoother) than expected?

What surprised you the most with your project?

Were there some "almost" things you did (but chose not to) vortex generators
maybe, panel upgrades, etc?

What upgrade things did you decide to do, since the plane was apart anyway?
:-)

Photos look GREAT! Thanks for posting.


--
Montblack
http://lumma.de/mt/archives/bart.gif

[Jim Weir]

Just speaking as somebody who has maintained my share of aircraft with that
lousy Cessna-crafted fiberglass (itchy, heavy) insulation, you are aware that
the double-faced aluminum foil with a bubble sandwich is available, aren't you?
That it is half the weight and doesn't waterlog like the fiberglass? That you
can cut it with scissors and shape it in place? That it is relatively cheap and
does a hell of a job on soundproofing?

Jim
Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[Wayne]

> Hours into project?

No idea, several people helping, made no attempt to keep track. It is
going MUCH faster and smoother than I though it would, so far. Sitting for
18 years and I've seen more corrosion on late 80's planes.

> Costs you didn't expect?
Less than expected so far. Put on all new cylinders too. 70 something
hours since overhaul (and 18 years) 997 hours TT.

> Did you have a ballpark budget going in - are you still in the ballpark?

So far below budget. Avionics will eat up any extra though, spend what
ya got....


> Things you'd do different - next time?
Never put a windshield in when the wings are not on the plane! Take that to
the grave!


> What surprised you the most with your project?
The overall condition of the plane, lack of corrosion, condition on the
interior.

> Were there some "almost" things you did (but chose not to) vortex
generators
> maybe, panel upgrades, etc?
Still are, big decision is whether to make it look as it did when it was
new, or paint it up like a new one. And how far to we go with avionics? It's
a 63, has the new tail, back windows, looks modern so which way to go?
Original I think.

>
> What upgrade things did you decide to do, since the plane was apart
anyway?
Upgraded the brakes, replaced many parts that appeared to be in good shape.
Example, throttle, mixture cables, things that if they did fail, could cause
the plane to be landed in a different farmers field. Makes a good log book
entry to for the planes resale value.

Jim, got a line on where to get the stuff you are talking about? The
insulation in the firewall still looks like new, left it in, but I would
like to deaden the sound in the rest some more while it's easy access. The
Dynamat type stuff seems very heavy.

Wayne

[Jay Honeck]

> The plane is really starting to come along now.

Wow -- you ain't kidding, Wayne -- it looks great!

Thanks for saving one of the many "hangar queens" that we all see rotting on
ramps across the country. We need more guys like you.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Weir]

The largest airplane supply company in the country...your local TrueValue
hardware store.

Coming to think about it, though, I have not personally run a flame test on the
stuff, so you may want to get a square foot of it (they sell it by the running
foot off a huge roll) and burn it yourself.

Jim



"Wayne" >
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->Jim, got a line on where to get the stuff you are talking about? The
->insulation in the firewall still looks like new, left it in, but I would
->like to deaden the sound in the rest some more while it's easy access. The
->Dynamat type stuff seems very heavy.
->
->Wayne
->

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[CFLav8r]

WOW!! That's the only thing I can say about your project.
Well let me also throw in FANTASTIC.
Don't forget to show us your completed project pictures.

David
(KORL)

"Wayne" > wrote in message
...
> goto http://12.151.5.4/172
>
> The plane is really starting to come along now.
>
> Wayne
>
>
>

[Wayne]

The sum of it's parts are worth so much more than the planes themselves,
I hate to see all those salvage companies buying perfectly good planes and
making them into parts. This one has such low time that is needed restored.

It was outdoors for 18 years without running. It was an apron queen I
guess :~)

I'll have to put up some pictures of the super cub I'm working on. It's
a patch job, not a restoration, but neat! Repairing fabric is so time
consuming. It had an engine failure and flipped over during the forced
landing in a field.

Wayne

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:YMwxb.331826$Fm2.339279@attbi_s04...
> > The plane is really starting to come along now.
>
> Wow -- you ain't kidding, Wayne -- it looks great!
>
> Thanks for saving one of the many "hangar queens" that we all see rotting
on
> ramps across the country. We need more guys like you.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Wayne]

"CFLav8r" > wrote in message
om...
> WOW!! That's the only thing I can say about your project.
> Well let me also throw in FANTASTIC.
> Don't forget to show us your completed project pictures.
>
> David
> (KORL)

Thanks, I will keep posting them. Looking forward to test flight day!

Wayne

[Frank]

> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> ...
>> goto http://12.151.5.4/172
>>
>> The plane is really starting to come along now.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>>

Nice pics. Especially the arrival shots. It looks like it it/was a twin to
mine, except we don't have the 'Cessna' lettering on the nose. It's a '63
172D right?

Also, interesting to see the original panel. Ours has been modified
somewhat, resulting in a bit of a hodge-podge look.
--
Frank....H

[Ben Smith]

Thanks for the update, Wayne. I was wondering when you'd get some new pics
up.

Hopefully the avionics job won't pinch you too bad!

--
Ben
C-172 - N13258 @ 87Y

[hlongworth]

Jim Weir > wrote in message >...
> The largest airplane supply company in the country...your local TrueValue
> hardware store.
>
> Coming to think about it, though, I have not personally run a flame test on the
> stuff, so you may want to get a square foot of it (they sell it by the running
> foot off a huge roll) and burn it yourself.
>
> Jim
>
Jim,
If it is the Reflectix Insulation, the mfg had done flammability
tests

http://www.reflectixinc.com/testingind.asp

I will have to try to correlate the ASTM test data to FAA test to see
if it is suitable as a replacement for the fiberglass insulation in
our Cessna 177b.

[Paul Sengupta]

I was thinking that, the original panel is wonderful!

Paul

"Frank" > wrote in message
...
> Also, interesting to see the original panel. Ours has been modified
> somewhat, resulting in a bit of a hodge-podge look.

[Wayne]

You got it. My 175 has been modified too, master moved down and large holes
cut.
Wayne
"Frank" > wrote in message
...
> > "Wayne" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> goto http://12.151.5.4/172
> >>
> >> The plane is really starting to come along now.
> >>
> >> Wayne
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> Nice pics. Especially the arrival shots. It looks like it it/was a twin to
> mine, except we don't have the 'Cessna' lettering on the nose. It's a '63
> 172D right?
>
> Also, interesting to see the original panel. Ours has been modified
> somewhat, resulting in a bit of a hodge-podge look.
> --
> Frank....H

[Wayne]

I'm going to play avionics shop too. Hope i don't pinch myself.....
Wayne

"Ben Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for the update, Wayne. I was wondering when you'd get some new
pics
> up.
>
> Hopefully the avionics job won't pinch you too bad!
>
> --
> Ben
> C-172 - N13258 @ 87Y
>
>

[Montblack]

("hlongworth" wrote)
> If it is the Reflectix Insulation, the mfg had done flammability
> tests
>
> http://www.reflectixinc.com/testingind.asp
>
> I will have to try to correlate the ASTM test data to FAA test to see
> if it is suitable as a replacement for the fiberglass insulation in
> our Cessna 177b.


(From their pretty good website)
http://www.reflectixinc.com/commercial.asp

Bla bla bla ...bla, bla bla ...Improved livestock production ...bla, bla,
bla.

Hey, that's some good stuff!! <g>

Lightweight, moisture resistant, good sound deadening properties, easy to
use ...plus, it improves livestock production!!

--
Montblack

[Ron Natalie]

"Jim Weir" > wrote in message ...

> Coming to think about it, though, I have not personally run a flame test on the
> stuff, so you may want to get a square foot of it (they sell it by the running
> foot off a huge roll) and burn it yourself.

Margy used some stuff we ordered from Aircraft Spruce when she redid the
headliner in the Navion. Dirt cheap, and still a whole lot better than the fiberglas
stuff. Looked more like carpet padding than bubble wrap.