Caldwell CDW 2002 Mid Air Probable Cause Released

[Thomas Ploch]

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause
(s) of this accident as follows:

The inadequate visual lookout of both pilots. Factors in the accident
were the FAA controller's failure to provide a traffic advisory, the
improper decision among the three controllers to leave only one
controller in the cab, and night conditions.

[BTIZ]

yep.. sounds like an FAA finding.. pilots were ultimately responsible to
provide visual lookout... but the FAA tower controllers failures and
managements manning decision are secondary factors..

bet to see the same type of report for the on runway intersection accident
at VGT last Sept.

BT

"Thomas Ploch" > wrote in message
. ..
> The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause
> (s) of this accident as follows:
>
> The inadequate visual lookout of both pilots. Factors in the accident
> were the FAA controller's failure to provide a traffic advisory, the
> improper decision among the three controllers to leave only one
> controller in the cab, and night conditions.

[Teacherjh]

>>
yep.. sounds like an FAA finding.. pilots were ultimately responsible to
provide visual lookout... but the FAA tower controllers failures and
managements manning decision are secondary factors.
<<

Were it the other way around, it would have to go hand in hand with a severe
reduction in VFR freedoms. If the contrllers are responsible for preventing
midairs on a clear day, then the controllers will be CONTROLLING your airplane.

Jose

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[David Megginson]

Teacherjh wrote:

> Were it the other way around, it would have to go hand in hand with a severe
> reduction in VFR freedoms. If the contrllers are responsible for preventing
> midairs on a clear day, then the controllers will be CONTROLLING your airplane.

Or to put it another way, class C and D airspace will become class B. I
agree that it's easy to be lulled into a false sense of security flying VFR
in class C or D.


All the best,


David

[BTIZ]

Class D or any "Tower" control is only responsible for the separation of
aircraft on the runway.. not on downwind or on final.. runway separation is
all that any tower is responsible for.. and they did not get that right at
VGT.

I do not reference the "radar rooms" associated with Tower operations.

BT

"David Megginson" > wrote in message
. cable.rogers.com...
> Teacherjh wrote:
>
> > Were it the other way around, it would have to go hand in hand with a
severe
> > reduction in VFR freedoms. If the contrllers are responsible for
preventing
> > midairs on a clear day, then the controllers will be CONTROLLING your
airplane.
>
> Or to put it another way, class C and D airspace will become class B. I
> agree that it's easy to be lulled into a false sense of security flying
VFR
> in class C or D.
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
> David
>