Another Garmin 430 question

[Jim]

I've been told that it is possible to load successive approaches in the
flight plan page but have been un able to either figure out how to do it or
find any info in the manual about it. For instance if I wanted to create a
flight plan to take off at one airport, fly to a second airport then do
several instrument approaches at the second airport then head to a third
airport and do several approaches there. I have no problem loading in the
airport and then the first approach, but if I try to enter a second
approach, the first approach is erased, even if I re-enter the airport in
the flight plan after the initial approach. Any ideas?

Thanks
Jim

[Jeff]

towards the back of the book that comes with the 430 is a section on entering
flight plans and saving them. I will look up the exact page for you.

Jim wrote:

> I've been told that it is possible to load successive approaches in the
> flight plan page but have been un able to either figure out how to do it or
> find any info in the manual about it. For instance if I wanted to create a
> flight plan to take off at one airport, fly to a second airport then do
> several instrument approaches at the second airport then head to a third
> airport and do several approaches there. I have no problem loading in the
> airport and then the first approach, but if I try to enter a second
> approach, the first approach is erased, even if I re-enter the airport in
> the flight plan after the initial approach. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Jim

[Jeff]

page 54 in the manual will tell you in detail about creating the flight plans
and saving them.

Jeff
http://www.turboarrow3.com



Jim wrote:

> I've been told that it is possible to load successive approaches in the
> flight plan page but have been un able to either figure out how to do it or
> find any info in the manual about it. For instance if I wanted to create a
> flight plan to take off at one airport, fly to a second airport then do
> several instrument approaches at the second airport then head to a third
> airport and do several approaches there. I have no problem loading in the
> airport and then the first approach, but if I try to enter a second
> approach, the first approach is erased, even if I re-enter the airport in
> the flight plan after the initial approach. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Jim

[Jim]

Yep, I've read that whole section but no where does it tell you if you can
or how to enter multiple approaches. I'm at home now just playing with the
sim, but everytime I try to enter a second approach in the flight plan, it
replaces the first approach that I had entered. The flight plan format
seems to have 2 sections, Enroute (at the top) then Approach (under the
Enroute portion) you can enter and save as many Enroute waypoints as you
want ( well, up to 31 ) but only enter one approach after the enroute
section. I can also enter an airport or any other waypoint after the hold
portion of the approach that is saved, but I can not enter a second approach
even if it is at a different airport.

For instance if you wanted to pre load your alternate airport and an
approach in case you couldn't get in at the first airport, you'd fly the
missed, the garmin would go into suspend mode, then you could hit the OBS
button and have it sequence you to the alternate airport and fly the
approach that was saved in the same flight plan.

Jim


"Jeff" > wrote in message
...
> page 54 in the manual will tell you in detail about creating the flight
plans
> and saving them.
>
> Jeff
> http://www.turboarrow3.com

[ArtP]

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:44:16 -0600, "Jim" >
wrote:


>For instance if you wanted to pre load your alternate airport and an
>approach in case you couldn't get in at the first airport, you'd fly the
>missed, the garmin would go into suspend mode, then you could hit the OBS
>button and have it sequence you to the alternate airport and fly the
>approach that was saved in the same flight plan.

You can't load multiple approaches. Since you won't know what approach
you will be assigned until it is assigned and the approach selection
is so quick it doesn't make sense to pre load any approaches.

[Richard Kaplan]

"Jim" > wrote in message >...

> I've been told that it is possible to load successive approaches in the
> flight plan page but have been un able to either figure out how to do it or
> find any info in the manual about it. For instance if I wanted to create a


I am unaware of any way to do this, nor would I consider this to be a
desirable feature. I think there would be too much risk of confusion
re: which approach you are flying and/or how to sequence to a missed
approach hold vs. sequence to a new approach.

I suppose you could enter the waypoints for an approach manually, but
in that case the approach would not arm/activate/annunciate correctly
and thus that would not be desirable.

--
Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

[C J Campbell]

You cannot load multiple approaches into this unit. Approaches by their
nature terminate the flight plan at the airport. You can cycle the unit to
the holding fix, but that is about it. If you were able to load multiple
approaches the unit could become confused on missed approach whether to
cycle to the holding fix or to the next approach.

I suppose you could manually enter all the waypoints for each of the
approaches you wanted to fly, but then the GPS would never go into approach
mode.

One thing I have noticed with both the GARMIN and the King GPS units is that
if there is a flight plan stored in the unit and you select an approach, the
software will append that approach to the flight plan stored in the unit.
This is all right if the stored flight plan terminates at the destination
airport, but if it terminates at another airport I have seen them offer
erroneous information such as bad vectors. I recommend clearing the stored
flight plan completely before selecting an approach if that flight plan
terminates at another airport.

[Jim]

Thanks. I thought I knew the unit pretty well and didn't think you could do
it however the person telling me that you could was very adamant about it.
The topic came up while doing multiple practice approaches at a non towered
airport and started out with the question "Why don't you just load all the
approaches before you take off?" Ummmm.... you can't! :)
Jim

"Richard Kaplan" > wrote in message
om...
> "Jim" > wrote in message
>...
>
> > I've been told that it is possible to load successive approaches in the
> > flight plan page but have been un able to either figure out how to do it
or
> > find any info in the manual about it. For instance if I wanted to
create a
>
>
> I am unaware of any way to do this, nor would I consider this to be a
> desirable feature. I think there would be too much risk of confusion
> re: which approach you are flying and/or how to sequence to a missed
> approach hold vs. sequence to a new approach.
>
> I suppose you could enter the waypoints for an approach manually, but
> in that case the approach would not arm/activate/annunciate correctly
> and thus that would not be desirable.
>
> --
> Richard Kaplan, CFII
>
> www.flyimc.com

[Jeff]

sorry, I thought I read routes, not approaches....

Jim wrote:

> Yep, I've read that whole section but no where does it tell you if you can
> or how to enter multiple approaches. I'm at home now just playing with the
> sim, but everytime I try to enter a second approach in the flight plan, it
> replaces the first approach that I had entered. The flight plan format
> seems to have 2 sections, Enroute (at the top) then Approach (under the
> Enroute portion) you can enter and save as many Enroute waypoints as you
> want ( well, up to 31 ) but only enter one approach after the enroute
> section. I can also enter an airport or any other waypoint after the hold
> portion of the approach that is saved, but I can not enter a second approach
> even if it is at a different airport.
>
> For instance if you wanted to pre load your alternate airport and an
> approach in case you couldn't get in at the first airport, you'd fly the
> missed, the garmin would go into suspend mode, then you could hit the OBS
> button and have it sequence you to the alternate airport and fly the
> approach that was saved in the same flight plan.
>
> Jim
>
> "Jeff" > wrote in message
> ...
> > page 54 in the manual will tell you in detail about creating the flight
> plans
> > and saving them.
> >
> > Jeff
> > http://www.turboarrow3.com

[Dave S]

Sounds like you need to tell Mr Adamant to show you how its done... and
see if he's really correct on this issue..

Dave

Jim wrote:
> Thanks. I thought I knew the unit pretty well and didn't think you could do
> it however the person telling me that you could was very adamant about it.
> The topic came up while doing multiple practice approaches at a non towered
> airport and started out with the question "Why don't you just load all the
> approaches before you take off?" Ummmm.... you can't! :)
> Jim
>
> "Richard Kaplan" > wrote in message
> om...
>
>>"Jim" > wrote in message
>
> >...
>
>>>I've been told that it is possible to load successive approaches in the
>>>flight plan page but have been un able to either figure out how to do it
>
> or
>
>>>find any info in the manual about it. For instance if I wanted to
>
> create a
>
>>
>>I am unaware of any way to do this, nor would I consider this to be a
>>desirable feature. I think there would be too much risk of confusion
>>re: which approach you are flying and/or how to sequence to a missed
>>approach hold vs. sequence to a new approach.
>>
>>I suppose you could enter the waypoints for an approach manually, but
>>in that case the approach would not arm/activate/annunciate correctly
>>and thus that would not be desirable.
>>
>>--
>>Richard Kaplan, CFII

>>www.flyimc.com
>
>
>

[Jim]

Yep :) I'm planning on it :) cause it sure baffled the heck out of me!
--
Jim Burns III

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"Dave S" > wrote in message
. net...
> Sounds like you need to tell Mr Adamant to show you how its done... and
> see if he's really correct on this issue..
>
> Dave
>
> Jim wrote:
> > Thanks. I thought I knew the unit pretty well and didn't think you
could do
> > it however the person telling me that you could was very adamant about
it.
> > The topic came up while doing multiple practice approaches at a non
towered
> > airport and started out with the question "Why don't you just load all
the
> > approaches before you take off?" Ummmm.... you can't! :)
> > Jim
> >
> > "Richard Kaplan" > wrote in message
> > om...
> >
> >>"Jim" > wrote in message
> >
> > >...
> >
> >>>I've been told that it is possible to load successive approaches in the
> >>>flight plan page but have been un able to either figure out how to do
it
> >
> > or
> >
> >>>find any info in the manual about it. For instance if I wanted to
> >
> > create a
> >
> >>
> >>I am unaware of any way to do this, nor would I consider this to be a
> >>desirable feature. I think there would be too much risk of confusion
> >>re: which approach you are flying and/or how to sequence to a missed
> >>approach hold vs. sequence to a new approach.
> >>
> >>I suppose you could enter the waypoints for an approach manually, but
> >>in that case the approach would not arm/activate/annunciate correctly
> >>and thus that would not be desirable.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Richard Kaplan, CFII
>
> >>www.flyimc.com
> >
> >
> >
>

[karl gruber]

There is a work-around for storing multiple approaches of different types in
the 430.

It involves storing each approach at the end of separate flight plans.

So if, for instance, you wanted to store both the GPS05 and GPS23 approaches
at KSHN, you would store two separate flight plans, both to KSHN. One would
have the GPS05 approach appended on the end, and the other would have the
GPS23 appended to the end.

I am not sure, however, if this method would reduce much button pushing and
knob twisting.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG