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Roger Long
December 3rd 03, 12:04 PM
I'm in danger of becoming a regular contributor to "Aviation Safety". My
second article has just gone to press. It answers these burning questions:
1) Why is nose wheel shimmy usually reported by only two or three club
members and no one else is having a problem?
2) How can you grease a landing and still abuse your nose strut?
3) What is the relationship between trim setting and flat strut syndrome?
4) What has changed in the aviation environment since the nose gears most of
fly were designed?
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Roger Long
Jay Honeck
December 3rd 03, 02:13 PM
> 4) What has changed in the aviation environment since the nose gears most
of
> fly were designed?
Is this Pennsylvania Dutch?
("Throw Momma down the stairs a hat!")
A writer I are, too. ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
Peter R.
December 3rd 03, 03:56 PM
Roger Long om) wrote:
> 1) Why is nose wheel shimmy usually reported by only two or three club
> members and no one else is having a problem?
>
> 2) How can you grease a landing and still abuse your nose strut?
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> 3) What is the relationship between trim setting and flat strut syndrome?
>
> 4) What has changed in the aviation environment since the nose gears most of
> fly were designed?
You piqued my curiosity. Any chance you might answer those questions here
for those of us who don't subscribe?
Additionally, is Aviation Monthly a periodical worth the price of
subscription? I already receive AOPA Pilot, Flying, Plane and Pilot, NTSB
Reporter, and IFR Magazine. Does it contain pertinent articles not found
in any of these magazines?
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Peter
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Roger Long
December 3rd 03, 06:35 PM
Gee, that kinda puts me on the spot. They pay me money for this stuff. I'm not sure I should be handing it out the back door before the issue even hits the streets:)
They aren't really secrets though.
Pilot technique has a lot to do with shimmy. Properly overhauled nose gears start solid and get looser. If a bunch of pilots are flying a plane, almost no one will experience shimmy at first, then a few pilots, then more, then everyone. At some point it will go to the shop. It's how people fly that determines where in the cycle they experience shimmy.
You can land gently on the mains and then still rotate nose down fast enough to put the strut seals at risk.
Forgetting to trim in the pattern makes it hard to land at the proper airspeed and makes the plane rotate quickly onto the nosegear at the slightest relaxation of yoke pressure.
Almost every pilot flying was trained in and transitioning from taildraggers when the 172 vintage aircraft were designed. Landing nose high was second nature.
Please, no flames or responses to this quick summary unless you've read the article. I'm only going to discuss on the basis of my full presentation.
I find "Aviation Safety" the best of the mags I read. No ads, solid and to the point stuff. No fluff. I enjoy "Flying" and "AOPA Pilot" as entertainment but A.S. is more interesting and makes me a better pilot.
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Roger Long
Peter R. > wrote in message ...
> Roger Long om) wrote:
>
> > 1) Why is nose wheel shimmy usually reported by only two or three club
> > members and no one else is having a problem?
> >
> > 2) How can you grease a landing and still abuse your nose strut?
> >
> > 3) What is the relationship between trim setting and flat strut syndrome?
> >
> > 4) What has changed in the aviation environment since the nose gears most of
> > fly were designed?
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>
> You piqued my curiosity. Any chance you might answer those questions here
> for those of us who don't subscribe?
>
> Additionally, is Aviation Monthly a periodical worth the price of
> subscription? I already receive AOPA Pilot, Flying, Plane and Pilot, NTSB
> Reporter, and IFR Magazine. Does it contain pertinent articles not found
> in any of these magazines?
>
> --
> Peter
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Roger Long
December 3rd 03, 06:35 PM
Maine Dutch.
--
Roger Long
Jay Honeck > wrote in message
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> > 4) What has changed in the aviation environment since the nose gears
most
> of
> > fly were designed?
>
> Is this Pennsylvania Dutch?
>
> ("Throw Momma down the stairs a hat!")
>
> A writer I are, too. ;-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>
Peter R.
December 3rd 03, 07:03 PM
Roger Long om) wrote:
<snip>
> I find "Aviation Safety" the best of the mags I read. No ads, solid
> and to the point stuff. No fluff. I enjoy "Flying" and "AOPA Pilot"
> as entertainment but A.S. is more interesting and makes me a better
> pilot.
Thank you for the brief synopsis and thank you for the recommendation. I
will seriously look into purchasing an AS subscription.
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Montblack
December 3rd 03, 07:03 PM
("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> > 4) What has changed in the aviation environment since the nose gears
most of fly were designed?
> Is this Pennsylvania Dutch?
>
> ("Throw Momma down the stairs a hat!")
>
> A writer I are, too. ;-)
You should have seen the one I sent my brother last week.
Hmm. Sentence needs something.
Put this at the end, then move this.
Highlight - Copy.
<Phone rings>
<Chit-chat>
<Get up to refill the glass - Diet Coke!!>
<Stop and look at some TV reality show with girls in bikinis>
<Let killer poodle out>
<Oh yeah. Let killer poodle back in>
Eventually, sit back down 20 minutes later.
Paste - in not quite the right spot.
Brain rereads what you wanted it to say. Send
UNSEND! UNSEND!
--
Montblack
http://lumma.de/mt/archives/bart.gif
Cub Driver
December 3rd 03, 09:24 PM
>Is this Pennsylvania Dutch?
>
>("Throw Momma down the stairs a hat!")
Interesting. This used to be a New Hampshire calumny:
"Throw Father down the stairs his shoes."
Supposedly French-Canadian, in this case.
(I've heard that all the Applachian hillbilly jokes are also current
in Australia, except that the subjects are Tasmanians.)
all the best -- Dan Ford
email:
see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com
Jack Allison
December 3rd 03, 09:40 PM
See what happens when you mix diet coke, reality TV, and letting the dog
out/in? Serves ya right! :-)
Ah, if they'd only perfect that "unsend" command...I could use it sometimes
too
--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL
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with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
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BTIZ
December 4th 03, 12:32 AM
I thought it was those crazy people from Northern Massachusetts..
of course those Frenchman from Lewiston Me would fit too..
"Next time you cut through my yard... you go around!!"
"Throw me down the stairs my coat, outside it is cold."
BT
"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
>
> >Is this Pennsylvania Dutch?
> >
> >("Throw Momma down the stairs a hat!")
>
> Interesting. This used to be a New Hampshire calumny:
>
> "Throw Father down the stairs his shoes."
>
> Supposedly French-Canadian, in this case.
>
> (I've heard that all the Applachian hillbilly jokes are also current
> in Australia, except that the subjects are Tasmanians.)
>
>
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford
> email:
>
> see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
> and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com
BTIZ
December 4th 03, 12:34 AM
A.S.
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"Peter R." > wrote in message
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> Roger Long om) wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > I find "Aviation Safety" the best of the mags I read. No ads, solid
> > and to the point stuff. No fluff. I enjoy "Flying" and "AOPA Pilot"
> > as entertainment but A.S. is more interesting and makes me a better
> > pilot.
>
> Thank you for the brief synopsis and thank you for the recommendation. I
> will seriously look into purchasing an AS subscription.
>
> --
> Peter
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Peter Duniho
December 4th 03, 12:53 AM
"BTIZ" > wrote in message
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> A.S.
>
> ??
"Aviation Safety". As in, "I'm in danger of becoming a regular contributor
to 'Aviation Safety'", which is what Roger wrote when he started this
thread.
James M. Knox
December 4th 03, 02:48 PM
Cub Driver > wrote in
:
>>Is this Pennsylvania Dutch?
>>("Throw Momma down the stairs a hat!")
>
> Interesting. This used to be a New Hampshire calumny:
> "Throw Father down the stairs his shoes."
We used to collect those, back when I was doing AI and "natural language
parsing" research. Things that people tend to understand without
difficulty, but would drive our best computer programs bonkers. Some
classics that were always used to test parsing:
The old man the boats.
Time flies like an arrow.
The've been working on the problem for 40 years, and still haven't found a
solution.
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G.R. Patterson III
December 4th 03, 04:29 PM
Montblack wrote:
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> UNSEND! UNSEND!
Yeah. How come the "cancel message" command doesn't really do anything?
George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".
Rob Perkins
December 4th 03, 07:01 PM
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:29:38 -0500, "G.R. Patterson III"
> wrote:
>Yeah. How come the "cancel message" command doesn't really do anything?
It's unevenly implemented. Many servers just ignore it.
Rob
David Dyer-Bennet
December 4th 03, 07:42 PM
"G.R. Patterson III" > writes:
> Montblack wrote:
> >
> > UNSEND! UNSEND!
>
> Yeah. How come the "cancel message" command doesn't really do anything?
Because people got into wars of sending cancel messages for varous
other people's messages, and for spam, and for all messages in a
group, and so forth, and muddied the waters so badly that many servers
stopped honoring cancel messages. (Most of the spam control is now
done via nocem messages, which unlike the original cancel
architecture, are authenticated.)
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Jay Honeck
December 4th 03, 10:51 PM
> Gee, that kinda puts me on the spot. They pay me money for this stuff. I'm not sure I should be handing it out the back door before the issue even hits the streets:)
Pshaw, Roger -- I use the participants in this newsgroup as proof-readers.
THEN I sell it to the magazines! :-)
(You folks are good editors...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
Peter Duniho
December 5th 03, 12:18 AM
"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
> Yeah. How come the "cancel message" command doesn't really do anything?
It used to. But when the number of forged cancel posts outnumbered the
number, it became less worthwhile to honor cancel posts.
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