Hooray for Pennsylvania!

[Roger Long]

In a time when almost every state government seems to be jumping on the We'
ve-got-to-shut-down-GA-to-protect-us-against-wackos-from-the-otherside-of-th
e-world bandwagon, the PA legislature is showing rare sense. They passed a
nearly unanimous resolution asking the TSA and the feds to get real.

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/03-4-139x_resolution.pdf

You have a friend in Pennsylvania.


--
Roger Long

[Z Sten]

Roger Long wrote:

> In a time when almost every state government seems to be jumping on the We'
> ve-got-to-shut-down-GA-to-protect-us-against-wackos-from-the-otherside-of-th
> e-world bandwagon, the PA legislature is showing rare sense. They passed a
> nearly unanimous resolution asking the TSA and the feds to get real.
>
> http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/03-4-139x_resolution.pdf
>
> You have a friend in Pennsylvania.
>
>
> --
> Roger Long

As a Pennsylvanian living about 4 NM from the State Capital, you can bet
that I will be writing my State Rep. a note of thanks for this action.

Let's hope that other states jump on this bandwagon!

Arnold Sten

[Judah]

I like this.

I am writing to my CongressPerson requesting that they take similar
action...


Maybe we should all do the same and wake some people up.


"Roger Long" m> wrote in
:

> http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/03-4-139x_resolution.pdf
>
>

[vincent p. norris]

>....... the PA legislature is showing rare sense.

Absolutely astounding! First time in many years!

But I'll do my best to encourage it.

vince norris

[Geoffrey Barnes]

Finally, something to be this Pittsburgher to be happy about in this state!
I would, however, extend two comments about this. First, while it is a nice
gesture, sending this resolution to the TSA is unlikely to do any good. I
don't even know if the TSA is in any way involved in these presidential
TFRs. Even if they are, the clear prime mover behind them is obviously the
Secret Service. And the Secret Service, quite frankly, does not not give a
stuff who they inconveinience in their pursuit of the unatainable perfectly
secure envioronment. They close off entire interstates during rush hour,
they have completely eliminated Pennsylvania Ave., and if they thought they
could get away with it they would happily impose a dusk-to-dawn curfew on an
entire cirty two days before the president was due to arrive. These
presidential TFRs are here to stay, I'm afraid, and all the non-binding
resolutions in the world isn't going to make them disappear.

My second point concerns the TFR that was imposed today (8 Dec 2003) in
Latrobe, Pennsylvania (home to Arnold Palmer and Rolling Rock beer). As
presidential TFRs go, this one was fairly low-impact. Only one airport
(Arnold Palmer Regional) was locked down because of it. But what's weird is
that I haven't seen or heard one thing about a presidential visit today, and
I live maybe 20 miles from this airport. The President was here in
Pittsburgh just last week, shutting down scores of airports and it was all
over the local media. Today there isn't the slightest mention of anything.
What gives?

[Geoffrey Barnes]

> My second point concerns the TFR that was imposed today (8 Dec 2003) in
> Latrobe, Pennsylvania (home to Arnold Palmer and Rolling Rock beer). As
> presidential TFRs go, this one was fairly low-impact. Only one airport
> (Arnold Palmer Regional) was locked down because of it. But what's weird
is
> that I haven't seen or heard one thing about a presidential visit today,
and
> I live maybe 20 miles from this airport. The President was here in
> Pittsburgh just last week, shutting down scores of airports and it was all
> over the local media. Today there isn't the slightest mention of
anything.
> What gives?

Finally saw something about this... Cheney went hunting.

[Bob Chilcoat]

It would be really interesting to see a state pass a resolution requesting
(banning?) the President from coming to their state if his visit required
them to disrupt commerce within the state. Bush (or anyone else post Bush)
would have to decide if it was worth the risk to come without the TFR's and
blocked roads (and other trappings of power). Maybe state's rights do have
a place in our modern world after all.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Roger Long" m> wrote in
message . ..
> In a time when almost every state government seems to be jumping on the
We'
>
ve-got-to-shut-down-GA-to-protect-us-against-wackos-from-the-otherside-of-th
> e-world bandwagon, the PA legislature is showing rare sense. They passed
a
> nearly unanimous resolution asking the TSA and the feds to get real.
>
> http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/03-4-139x_resolution.pdf
>
> You have a friend in Pennsylvania.
>
>
> --
> Roger Long
>
>

[G.R. Patterson III]

Bob Chilcoat wrote:
>
> It would be really interesting to see a state pass a resolution requesting
> (banning?) the President from coming to their state if his visit required
> them to disrupt commerce within the state. Bush (or anyone else post Bush)
> would have to decide if it was worth the risk to come without the TFR's and
> blocked roads (and other trappings of power). Maybe state's rights do have
> a place in our modern world after all.

What a great idea, Bob! The closest I've seen to that in the real world so far
is the serious discussion in New York to bill the Feds for the cost of police
work due to the security for presidential visits.

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

[Judah]

Outrageous. Like a 172 pilot would be able to pick his Orange Vest out of
the forest and drop a bomb on his head!!

Or, more importantly, like he couldn't take out the plane first with his
shotgun! (If he had any sense of aim, I mean.)

"Geoffrey Barnes" > wrote in
nk.net:

>> My second point concerns the TFR that was imposed today (8 Dec 2003)
>> in Latrobe, Pennsylvania (home to Arnold Palmer and Rolling Rock
>> beer). As presidential TFRs go, this one was fairly low-impact. Only
>> one airport (Arnold Palmer Regional) was locked down because of it.
>> But what's weird is that I haven't seen or heard one thing about a
>> presidential visit today, and I live maybe 20 miles from this airport.
>> The President was here in Pittsburgh just last week, shutting down
>> scores of airports and it was all over the local media. Today there
>> isn't the slightest mention of anything. What gives?
>
> Finally saw something about this... Cheney went hunting.
>
>

[Judah]

Oh geez! I just had visions of a military SWAT team that would clear out an
area before Bush went anywhere! You know, kinda like the Fedayeen!

You think you have short notice now? Imagine if they didn't have to tell
ANYONE where the Prez would be next? The TFRs would just happen mid-flight!

;)

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in
:

>
>
> Bob Chilcoat wrote:
>>
>> It would be really interesting to see a state pass a resolution
>> requesting (banning?) the President from coming to their state if his
>> visit required them to disrupt commerce within the state. Bush (or
>> anyone else post Bush) would have to decide if it was worth the risk
>> to come without the TFR's and blocked roads (and other trappings of
>> power). Maybe state's rights do have a place in our modern world
>> after all.
>
> What a great idea, Bob! The closest I've seen to that in the real world
> so far is the serious discussion in New York to bill the Feds for the
> cost of police work due to the security for presidential visits.
>
> George Patterson
> Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what
> they really hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with
> no heavy lifting".

[Kevin McCue]

How the hell does one go hunting with a perimeter of Secret Service
agents?? Do they go "sweep" the wood prior? Is there a THR (temporary
hunting restriction) put in place for x mile radius? Inquiring minds want to
know...

--
Kevin McCue
KRYN
'47 Luscombe 8E
Rans S-17 (for sale)




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[Jonathan Goodish]

In article >,
"Kevin McCue" > wrote:

> How the hell does one go hunting with a perimeter of Secret Service
> agents?? Do they go "sweep" the wood prior? Is there a THR (temporary
> hunting restriction) put in place for x mile radius? Inquiring minds want to
> know...


I believe the "hunt" was on private hunting grounds rather than public
game lands. Added benefit of private grounds: no need for a hunting
license.


JKG

[Big John]

Jonathan

And in my experience, no limit <G>

Big John


On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:52:13 GMT, Jonathan Goodish
> wrote:

>In article >,
> "Kevin McCue" > wrote:
>
>> How the hell does one go hunting with a perimeter of Secret Service
>> agents?? Do they go "sweep" the wood prior? Is there a THR (temporary
>> hunting restriction) put in place for x mile radius? Inquiring minds want to
>> know...
>
>
>I believe the "hunt" was on private hunting grounds rather than public
>game lands. Added benefit of private grounds: no need for a hunting
>license.
>
>
>JKG