Is a BFR instruction?

[Roger Long]

If a CFI owns and airplane and gives primary or instrument instruction in
it, it has to be on a 100 hour inspection cycle since he is providing the
aircraft for instruction.

How about if he only uses it to give BFR's? Does that put it under the 100
inspection requirement?

--
Roger Long

[BTIZ]

It seems that about every BFR I have received.. it was logged as Dual
received.

FAR61.56 ... "a flight review consist of a minimum of one hour of flight
training and one hour of ground training ... "

looks like training to me.. sooo...

BT

"Roger Long" m> wrote in
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> If a CFI owns and airplane and gives primary or instrument instruction in
> it, it has to be on a 100 hour inspection cycle since he is providing the
> aircraft for instruction.
>
> How about if he only uses it to give BFR's? Does that put it under the
100
> inspection requirement?
>
> --
> Roger Long
>
>

[Peter Duniho]

"Roger Long" m> wrote in
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> [...]
> How about if he only uses it to give BFR's? Does that put it under the
100
> inspection requirement?

My understanding is that the inspection requirement stems from the
commercial nature of the operation, not the instructional nature. So, while
I personally consider a BFR to be instruction, whether it is or not is
irrelevant for this question.

Pete

[Jim]

A minimum of 1 hour ground training and 1 hour flight training is required
for a BFR, if the BFR is not successful, it is logged as training only
without the BFR endorsement. So no matter if the student passes or fails
the BFR, it is still training received and if the CFI involved is the
supplier of the airplane, the airplane must comply with the 100 hour
inspection rule.
--
Jim Burns III

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"Roger Long" m> wrote in
message ...
> If a CFI owns and airplane and gives primary or instrument instruction in
> it, it has to be on a 100 hour inspection cycle since he is providing the
> aircraft for instruction.
>
> How about if he only uses it to give BFR's? Does that put it under the
100
> inspection requirement?
>
> --
> Roger Long
>
>

[Ron Natalie]

"Roger Long" m> wrote in message ...
..
>
> How about if he only uses it to give BFR's? Does that put it under the 100
> inspection requirement?

BFR's are explicitly instruction.

[Ron Natalie]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message ...
> "Roger Long" m> wrote in
> message ...
> > [...]
> > How about if he only uses it to give BFR's? Does that put it under the
> 100
> > inspection requirement?
>
> My understanding is that the inspection requirement stems from the
> commercial nature of the operation, not the instructional nature. So, while
> I personally consider a BFR to be instruction, whether it is or not is
> irrelevant for this question.
>
It is quite relevent. The BFR is specifically an at least an hour of ground and an hour
of flight instruction. The rule on 100 hours specifically covers flight instructors giving
instruction in their own aircraft.

By the way, it's not a 100 hours, it's a 100 hour or ANNUAL inspection in the last
100 hours. Our club NEVER did 100 hour inspections. We just did annuals every
few months.

[Robert M. Gary]

The FARs require, "1 hour of flight training" for a CFI signed BFR. My
understanding is any plane used for training requires a 100 hour if
there is a charge for the airplane time. I suppose you could get away
by not charging for the airplane. The bigger issue is insurance. If I
give instruction to anyone in my plane that is not an owner of the
plane (named on the policy) there is no insurance. So if you forget
the landing gear and you have a student in the left seat (yes, seat
position does make a difference to the insurance companies) there is
no coverage.




"Roger Long" m> wrote in message >...
> If a CFI owns and airplane and gives primary or instrument instruction in
> it, it has to be on a 100 hour inspection cycle since he is providing the
> aircraft for instruction.
>
> How about if he only uses it to give BFR's? Does that put it under the 100
> inspection requirement?

[Peter Duniho]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
. ..
> It is quite relevent. The BFR is specifically an at least an hour of
ground and an hour
> of flight instruction. The rule on 100 hours specifically covers flight
instructors giving
> instruction in their own aircraft.

I suppose I should have been more specific. This is Usenet, after all.

You'll note that 91.409 reads "...no person may give flight instructor FOR
HIRE..." (emphasis mine). In other words, it is not the flight instruction
itself that's a problem, it's the flight instruction as a commercial
operation that requires the inspection every 100 hours.

> By the way, it's not a 100 hours, it's a 100 hour or ANNUAL inspection in
the last
> 100 hours. Our club NEVER did 100 hour inspections. We just did
annuals every
> few months.

True, and a good point. However, I didn't see anyone say that a specific
100 hour inspection was required. Roger asked about "a 100 hour inspection
cycle", which to me simply refers to the requirement that some qualified
inspection is required in the last 100 hours.

Pete

[Roger Long]

More than one A&P has pointed out to me that there is no difference between
a 100 hour and an annual inspection. We've considered going to 100 hour
inspections and our shop suggested that, since the more frequent interval
was voluntary, he could sign them off as annual inspections. That way we
wouldn't be in a jam if weather or shop load prevented us from getting an
inspection done on time.

We have everything done on the engine that is usually done at an annual
about every 150 hours or twice a year. We also have additional inspections
and tune ups done from time to time.

--
Roger Long
Peter Duniho > wrote in message
...
> "Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > It is quite relevent. The BFR is specifically an at least an hour of
> ground and an hour
> > of flight instruction. The rule on 100 hours specifically covers
flight
> instructors giving
> > instruction in their own aircraft.
>
> I suppose I should have been more specific. This is Usenet, after all.
>
> You'll note that 91.409 reads "...no person may give flight instructor FOR
> HIRE..." (emphasis mine). In other words, it is not the flight
instruction
> itself that's a problem, it's the flight instruction as a commercial
> operation that requires the inspection every 100 hours.
>
> > By the way, it's not a 100 hours, it's a 100 hour or ANNUAL inspection
in
> the last
> > 100 hours. Our club NEVER did 100 hour inspections. We just did
> annuals every
> > few months.
>
> True, and a good point. However, I didn't see anyone say that a specific
> 100 hour inspection was required. Roger asked about "a 100 hour
inspection
> cycle", which to me simply refers to the requirement that some qualified
> inspection is required in the last 100 hours.
>
> Pete
>
>

[Ron Natalie]

"Roger Long" m> wrote in
message ...
> More than one A&P has pointed out to me that there is no difference
between
> a 100 hour and an annual inspection.

The only difference is that the annual must be done by an IA...any A&P can
do an 100hour.

[Roger Long]

That can't be right. Do you mean that, if you do two 100 hour inspections
every year, and IA never has to look at the plane?

In the case of a flight school plane does only one of the inspections each
year have to be done by an IA?

--
Roger Long
Ron Natalie > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Roger Long" m> wrote
in
> message ...
> > More than one A&P has pointed out to me that there is no difference
> between
> > a 100 hour and an annual inspection.
>
> The only difference is that the annual must be done by an IA...any A&P can
> do an 100hour.
>
>

[Ron Natalie]

"Roger Long" m> wrote in
message ...
> That can't be right. Do you mean that, if you do two 100 hour inspections
> every year, and IA never has to look at the plane?

I didn't say that. An annual and a 100 hour have the same scope of work.
The annual must be signed off by an IA.

Everyplane needs an annual once a year.
Aircraft used for carrying passengers for hire, or flight instruction for
hire when
the instructor provides the aircraft require an ANNUAL or 100 hour every 100
hours.

>
> In the case of a flight school plane does only one of the inspections each
> year have to be done by an IA?

What I said is we did annuals every 100 hour. An IA signed off the
inspections.