Your opinions, please!

[Jay Honeck]

Re: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.

Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:

1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a
couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what
do you folks think?

2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?

3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --
but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
participants?

Thanks for your help!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim]

no anonymous pics, I can see pics of planes anywhere
speed is fine for me, even on dial up
no email postings, I'm sure they already get enough spam
--
Jim Burns III

Remove "nospam" to reply


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:OXoCb.322300$Dw6.1094050@attbi_s02...
> Re: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
>
> Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
> every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:
>
> 1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
> several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
> numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
> bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
> off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a
> couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page --
what
> do you folks think?
>
> 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
> but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for
you?
> Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?
>
> 3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --
> but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
> participants?
>
> Thanks for your help!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jack Allison]

Jay,

Page loads quickly for me (accessing via internet at work, have not tried
dialup). While I respect anyone not wanting to post their name or N-number,
I fail to see the value of having a bunch of nameless/numberless pictures of
seemingly random folks that supposedly frequent the newsgroup. Like Jim
said, I can get pictures of airplanes anywhere. Re: e-mail addresses,
strictly optional and at the discretion of the person who sends you the
pictures. Just my 2 cents worth...

You're right, the page *is* growing. Several new entries since a couple
weeks ago.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Mike Adams]

I agree with Jim's suggestions. I get plenty of spam already, so don't
need my email address out there one more place. Speed is OK, but I've
got cable. You could always break up the page into multiple sections as
it grows, so the number of thumbnails to be loaded is kept manageable.

And I agree with the anonymity issue - yes, there's always a concern for
privacy, but if there's no name or location, it's just a picture of an
airplane.

Mike

"Jim" > wrote in
:

>no anonymous pics, I can see pics of planes anywhere
>speed is fine for me, even on dial up
>no email postings, I'm sure they already get enough spam



>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>news:OXoCb.322300$Dw6.1094050@attbi_s02...
>> Re: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
>>
>> Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you
>> folks every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:
>>
>> 1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures
>> from several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have
>> their "N" numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To
>> me this seems bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your
>> plane is to "show off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously?
>> Still, I've posted a couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to
>> proceed. It's YOUR page --
>what
>> do you folks think?
>>
>> 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the
>> page, but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it
>> running for
>you?
>> Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?
>>
>> 3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus
>> far -- but I thought it might be valuable to have an email
>> "directory" of participants?
>>
>> Thanks for your help!
>> --
>> Jay Honeck
>> Iowa City, IA
>> Pathfinder N56993
>> www.AlexisParkInn.com
>> "Your Aviation Destination"
>>
>>

[Marco Leon]

I find the anonymous pics a bit bizarre too. How about using their "from"
name when they post to the group. That way they can maintain as much
anonymity as they want. As for the N-numbers, anyone can look it up so nix
those pix.

Page loads fine for me but I'm on a cable modem but I can see it becoming a
problem eventually. You may want to have a listing by state with their name
and n-number and maybe one picture and make it a link to anther page. Sort
of like this:
NY
John Doe N123AB < Pic >
Steve and Amy Smith N54321 < Pic >

Also, I vote no on the email addresses. If they want it they can refer to
the newsgroup posts.

My $0.02

Marco


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:OXoCb.322300$Dw6.1094050@attbi_s02...
> Re: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
>
> Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
> every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:
>
> 1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
> several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
> numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
> bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
> off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a
> couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page --
what
> do you folks think?
>
> 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
> but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for
you?
> Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?
>
> 3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --
> but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
> participants?
>
> Thanks for your help!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>



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[Mitch Hines]

I agree with the "no anonymous" posters.

But I really like the thumbnail views as opposed to just text links to the
pictures. You could break it in half now, and thirds or quarters later.
Where page one would have A-M and Page Two would have N-Z. Currently it's
not bad on broadband, probably a bear on dialup.

--Mitch


--
Mitch Hines
Alon A-2 Aircoupe
N6369V


Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical
and insignificant, if not utterly impossible.

- Simon Newcomb, 1902



"A Lieberman" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> No anonymous posters. Like others said, I can go to the web and look
> for plane pictures.
>
> Suggestion.
>
> Have the main page text only, in the format you have, with hyperlinks on
> the names to the sub page.
>
> You have
> A B C
> and names and pics.
>
> Maybe
> A B C (each letter linked to the top of the name list)
> name linked to pic page.
>
> The sub page contains the pictures, and at the bottom of each sub page a
> back link to the main text page so the user doesn't even have to use the
> back button. And yet another link to your main homepage.
>
> Hope you find this useful.
>
> Allen

[A Lieberman]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> 1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
> several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
> numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
> bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
> off" --

No anonymous posters. Like others said, I can go to the web and look
for plane pictures.

> 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
> but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
> Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?

Suggestion.

Have the main page text only, in the format you have, with hyperlinks on
the names to the sub page.

You have
A B C
and names and pics.

Maybe
A B C (each letter linked to the top of the name list)
name linked to pic page.

The sub page contains the pictures, and at the bottom of each sub page a
back link to the main text page so the user doesn't even have to use the
back button. And yet another link to your main homepage.

Hope you find this useful.

Allen

[Javier Henderson]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:


> 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
> but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
> Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?

The server this is on has only T1 connectivity.

Jay, I'll get in touch with you via private email, we should move
it to the server with 100 megabits connectivity.

-jav

[dave]

Jay,
I appreciate what your doing. It's a great idea. I'm not a frequent
poster so I wouldn't have sent you pictures anyway. I also don't see
any value in anonymous posters. Having said that, even if I was a
frequent poster, I'd be reluctant to post pictures with names and
numbers. We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
overly cautious, yes.
Dave
'68 7ECA

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Re: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
>
> Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
> every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:
>
> 1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
> several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
> numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
> bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
> off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a
> couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what
> do you folks think?
>
> 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
> but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
> Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?
>
> 3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --
> but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
> participants?
>
> Thanks for your help!

[Bob Noel]

In article <OXoCb.322300$Dw6.1094050@attbi_s02>, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

> Re: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
>
> Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
> every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:
>
> 1. Should I include "anonymous" posters?

if you want to, go ahead. Maybe put the "anonymous" ones on
a separate page.

[snip]
> 3. Should I include email addresses?

absolutely not. well, include the email address ONLY if
the contributer explicitly allows it or want it included.

--
Bob Noel

[Richard Riley]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:47:59 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

:Re: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
:
:Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
:every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:
:
:1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
:several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
:numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
:bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
:off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a
:couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what
:do you folks think?

Why not? Anonymous pictures wouldn't have as much use as
non-anonymous (nominous?) ones do, but it doesn't cost anything to
post them. If they're asking *you* to blurr out their N numbers,
that's different and you should turn them down.
:
:2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
:but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
:Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?

Runs OK for me on a cable modem. I like the thumbnails.
:
:3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --
:but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
:participants?

If you do, make them spambot resistant, like richard atsign riley
period net.

[Jay Honeck]

>We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
> name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
> serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
> asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
> overly cautious, yes.

You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
who has actually suffered from "identity theft".

As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address
(well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal
hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide
behind a phony name.

I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the
little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about
the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product,
and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder
if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once
again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us
something?

Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Al Gilson]

On 12/12/03 11:47 AM, in article "Jay Honeck" >
wrote:

> Re: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
>
> Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
> every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:

OK..thanks for asking.

>
> 1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
> several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
> numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
> bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
> off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a
> couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what
> do you folks think?

I vote no. If they don't want people knowing who, where, and what they are,
why are they sending you photos? Do they really own/fly the plane?

>
> 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
> but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
> Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?

OK for me now, but I have cable.

>
> 3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --
> but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
> participants?

Normally, I'd repeat my answer to #1 but, with all of the e-mail
harvesting/spamming. I'd say only if people want you too and won't complain
if they get spammed as a result.

>
> Thanks for your help!

You're very welcome. It's a great page!

Al
1964 Skyhawk 3082U
alcessnapilot <at> comcast.net

[Peter Duniho]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:t9uCb.328993$Dw6.1107274@attbi_s02...
> [...] I just have to wonder
> if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue,
once
> again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell
us
> something?
>
> Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

Are you suggesting identity theft is not an issue at all? It certainly is a
very real crime, and it is happening more and more. It comes in a variety
of manifestations and, in answer to your question, I do personally know of a
real person (more than one, actually) who was a victim of identity theft.

Are you asking what the prevalence of identity theft is, and/or arguing that
the credit card companies are playing up the incidence? The answer to the
former is hard to quantify, since many different forms of fraud and other
crimes can be considered identity theft, and because there's no well-defined
reporting mechanism. One FTC-sponsored survey suggests that there may be as
many as 10 million Americans each year affected by identity theft, and that
as many as a third of those involved the use of their personal information
in the commission of a fraud:
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2003/09/synovatereport.pdf

I *do* think it's funny that you would suggest that the advertising
community would be playing *up* the threat. Credit card companies have been
notoriously reticent to release figures regarding consumer fraud, including
identity theft, out of a concern that people will start thinking that credit
cards are unreliable. The thought that identity theft is simply an
invention created to sell more product is laughable. Yes, a new business
arena has been discovered, and yes several companies have jumped on that
bandwagon. But they are no worse than the burglar alarm companies who use
scare tactics to frighten you into buying their products. The crime is
real.

Pete

[Ben Sego]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

Yes. Over 10 years ago, I received a call from the Secret Service asking
if I would be willing to help prosecute someone who had multiple
credit cards in my name and that of many other people. I, of course,
cooperated.

As it happens, they had caught the guys before much had been purchased
on the credit card numbers, and while the physical cards were still in
their possession.

They (the bad guys) had obtained identifying information by picking the
utterly ineffective lock on postal clusterboxes at various apartment
complexes in Dallas. They were caught, the agent told me, due to an
unusual number of new telephone line installation requests that were
made to an apartment. The complex owner got suspicious, and called the
local cops. The local cops figured it was a numbers operation, and
called in the Feds. The FBI handed it to Treasury after observing an
unsually high volume of what appeared to be credit card statements going
to the same address. Phone record analysis gave them enough along with
every thing else gave them enough to get a search warrant, as I recall.
(Lots of calls from credit card companies calling for verification.
This was apparently necessary because they were asking for cards at an
address for which there was no other sustantiating information; they
claimed a new move. CC company called "employer" to verify. Each phone
represented a different fake employer, for whom they (the bad guys) had
a list of "employees." They gave the CC company the new address in
verification, and the card was issued.)

They had so much evidence that I never had to testify. They (the Secret
Service) also worked directly with the credit card companies to get the
whole mess cleaned up.

So, yes, I know someone. Me.

Ben Sego

[Ben Sego]

Jay Honeck wrote:
I just have to wonder
> if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once
> again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us
> something?
>
> Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

Yes. Over 10 years ago, I received a call from the Secret Service asking
if I would be willing to help prosecute someone who had multiple
credit cards in my name and that of many other people. I, of course,
cooperated.

As it happens, they had caught the guys before much had been purchased
on the credit card numbers, and while the physical cards were still in
their possession.

They (the bad guys) had obtained identifying information by picking the
utterly ineffective lock on postal clusterboxes at various apartment
complexes in Dallas. They were caught, the agent told me, due to an
unusual number of new telephone line installation requests that were
made to an apartment. The complex owner got suspicious, and called the
local cops. The local cops figured it was a numbers operation, and
called in the Feds. The FBI handed it to Treasury after observing an
unsually high volume of what appeared to be credit card statements going
to the same address. Phone record analysis gave them enough along with
every thing else gave them enough to get a search warrant, as I recall.
(Lots of calls from credit card companies calling for verification.
This was apparently necessary because they were asking for cards at an
address for which there was no other sustantiating information; they
claimed a new move. CC company called "employer" to verify. Each phone
represented a different fake employer, for whom they (the bad guys) had
a list of "employees." They gave the CC company the new address in
verification, and the card was issued.)

They had so much evidence that I never had to testify. They (the Secret
Service) also worked directly with the credit card companies to get the
whole mess cleaned up.

So, yes, I know someone. Me.

Ben Sego

[Dave Hyde]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

Yes, and he's been trying to straighten it out for
at least two years now.

Dave 'easy credit' Hyde

[tony roberts]

Hi Jay

> 1. Should I include "anonymous" posters?

No. To me the main point of interest is that through these groups I know
the people posting. If they are anonymous, then what is the point?
No problem if they don't want their home base publicised though.


> 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
> but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
> Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?

Runs great for me, although I do have high speed cable access.

> 3. Should I include email addresses?

Up to the individual. I don't mind, because the email address that I use
in the rec groups is a hotmail one, used especially for the rec groups.
I wouldn't use my primary address as I like to keep it spam free.



--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Almost Instrument :)
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[Jay Honeck]

> I *do* think it's funny that you would suggest that the advertising
> community would be playing *up* the threat. Credit card companies have
been
> notoriously reticent to release figures regarding consumer fraud,
including
> identity theft, out of a concern that people will start thinking that
credit
> cards are unreliable.

This is a complete joke, Pete. I can tell you, as a retailer, that it is WE
who are left holding the bag when it comes to credit card fraud -- not the
consumer. In fact, the consumer is so "protected" as to be almost immune
from loss.

We have been stiffed twice in our first 15 months, to the tune of over
$1500, by people who ran their bill way up, went home, and claimed that
their cards were "stolen". We did everything PRECISELY as the credit card
companies told us to, but were stuck eating the loss anyway.

The only people who should be questioning the reliability of credit cards
are the retailers. Unfortunately, the cards are so ubiquitous that there is
no way we could live with out them -- and the credit card companies smugly
know it.

Thus, there is NO effective pressure on them to squash fraud. :-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Peter Duniho]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:0fvCb.330362$Dw6.1109340@attbi_s02...
> This is a complete joke, Pete. I can tell you, as a retailer, that it is
WE
> who are left holding the bag when it comes to credit card fraud -- not the
> consumer. In fact, the consumer is so "protected" as to be almost immune
> from loss.

What is a complete joke?

You obviously have no clue what the simplest forms of identity theft can do
to a person's life, never mind the most extreme kinds. You think that
because you are a retailer, that you see the extent of the result of
identity theft. But you obviously don't. The cost of goods obtained
through identity theft is the least of anyone's problems (except perhaps
yours). Much more significant are the years a person has to invest
recovering from the crime.

Identity theft isn't just someone using someone else's credit card. Yes,
that is ONE form of it. But the greater issue are criminals who create
entire fictional versions of real-life people, and then who proceed to
commit all manner of fraud under the name of those real-life people. The
credit card companies are terrible at providing assistance to victims with
respect to clearing up the bad credit records created as a result, and in
some cases are counter-productive.

> We have been stiffed twice in our first 15 months, to the tune of over
> $1500, by people who ran their bill way up, went home, and claimed that
> their cards were "stolen". We did everything PRECISELY as the credit card
> companies told us to, but were stuck eating the loss anyway.

So? That somehow proves that identity theft is not a problem?

> The only people who should be questioning the reliability of credit cards
> are the retailers. Unfortunately, the cards are so ubiquitous that there
is
> no way we could live with out them -- and the credit card companies smugly
> know it.

Again, credit cards are simply one facet of the overall problem of identity
theft.

> Thus, there is NO effective pressure on them to squash fraud. :-(

Maybe some of you retailers (who certainly have way more collective clout
than the individual consumer does) should get off your butts and get the FTC
to do something about the credit card monopolies that allow the credit
companies to force retailers to take the brunt of the direct cost of credit
card fraud.

In any case, that particular situation has little to do with the overall
threat of identity theft. I still don't understand your apparent
unwillingness to believe that it's a genuine problem.

Pete

[Doug]

Since we all know each other by our posting identities, why not use
those? It is possible that someone might use the info about the plane
and/or pilot for other than honorable purposes. Some posters might
have valid reasons to use a different or incomplete name. Aircraft
theft, avionics theft, identity theft are all things that do occur
from time to time in our society. We can be somewhat selective about
who gets to know us in "real life". But we can't control at all who
views our posts, etc.

Richard Riley > wrote in message >...
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:47:59 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote:
>
> :Re: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
> :
> :Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
> :every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:
> :
> :1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
> :several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
> :numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
> :bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
> :off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a
> :couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what
> :do you folks think?
>
> Why not? Anonymous pictures wouldn't have as much use as
> non-anonymous (nominous?) ones do, but it doesn't cost anything to
> post them. If they're asking *you* to blurr out their N numbers,
> that's different and you should turn them down.
> :
> :2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
> :but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
> :Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?
>
> Runs OK for me on a cable modem. I like the thumbnails.
> :
> :3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --
> :but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
> :participants?
>
> If you do, make them spambot resistant, like richard atsign riley
> period net.

[Dashi]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:t9uCb.328993$Dw6.1107274@attbi_s02...
> >We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
> > name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
> > serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
> > asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
> > overly cautious, yes.
>
> You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
> who has actually suffered from "identity theft".

Well while don't you test it. Start posting your social security number on
this newsgroup and others.

Probably nothing will happen.

> As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email
address
> (well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal
> hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to
hide
> behind a phony name.

You are just being stupid. Yes.


> I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on
the
> little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about
> the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a
product,
> and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to
wonder
> if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue,
once
> again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell
us
> something?

Kind of like you posting your business url on every post, eh?


> Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

Yes.

Do you know anyone that has been murdered?

dashi
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[dave]

Yes, a friend had it happen to him. It was horrible. Obviously not
life threatening but it can really mess up your life. Now that it's
more common, maybe the credit agencies will be more cooperative in
helping to reestablish one's credit rating. You really should take
every precaution.
Dave

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
>>name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
>>serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
>>asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
>>overly cautious, yes.
>
>
> You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
> who has actually suffered from "identity theft".
>
> As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address
> (well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal
> hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide
> behind a phony name.
>
> I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the
> little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about
> the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product,
> and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder
> if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once
> again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us
> something?
>
> Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

[Jay Honeck]

> Well while don't you test it. Start posting your social security number on
> this newsgroup and others.

Well, there's stupid, and then there is STUPID. I ain't STUPID. :-)

> You are just being stupid. Yes.

Jeez, rough crowd...

> > again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell
> us
> > something?
>
> Kind of like you posting your business url on every post, eh?

Well, fanning the flames of paranoia in order to sell something of
questionable value, versus posting my aviation themed hotel's URL in posts
made on an aviation newsgroup seem (to me, anyway) to be quite different --
but maybe I'm just being stupid again?

> Do you know anyone that has been murdered?

Nope. And if I did, how would this be relevant?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

("Doug" wrote)
> Since we all know each other by our posting identities, why not use
> those? It is possible that someone might use the info about the plane
> and/or pilot for other than honorable purposes. Some posters might
> have valid reasons to use a different or incomplete name. Aircraft
> theft, avionics theft, identity theft are all things that do occur
> from time to time in our society. We can be somewhat selective about
> who gets to know us in "real life". But we can't control at all who
> views our posts, etc.


I agree with Doug's thoughts here. I'm not too interested in someone's
N-number. I do enjoy seeing newsgroup ID's matched up to planes and people.

Jay. Thank you for taking the time to set this up for the rec.aviation
folks.

It is appreciated :-)

--
Montblack
http://lumma.de/mt/archives/bart.gif

[Roger Halstead]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:47:59 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>Re: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
>
>Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
>every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:

1. I'd vote against anonymous postings. They are after all a sharing
of our planes with others. I have no real problem not including the
base, but I do think names and states should be included.

I can't think of a valid reason for not posting the information.
>
>1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
>several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
>numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
>bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
>off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a
>couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what
>do you folks think?
>
>2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
>but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
>Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?

I haven't noticed it slowing, but I'm on ADSL.
Course I lost the page URL and haven't been able to find it again.
>


>3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --
>but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
>participants?

Only if the user says it's OK.
I use specific addresses that get posted like that. Lordy, I even get
spam to the webmaster and support addresses for some sites.
If you want I'll send you a different one than what was on my e-mail.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

>
>Thanks for your help!

[WAKE UP!!!]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<t9uCb.328993$Dw6.1107274@attbi_s02>...
> >We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
> > name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
> > serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
> > asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
> > overly cautious, yes.
>
> You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
> who has actually suffered from "identity theft".
>
> As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address
> (well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal
> hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide
> behind a phony name.
>
> I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the
> little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about
> the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product,
> and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder
> if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once
> again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us
> something?
>
> Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

I've just opened an E-Trade Bank account in your name. It took me 3
minutes. Don't worry, tomorrow I'll close it, I'm one of the good
guys, but in the meantime I could have used that to get a small limit,
secured visa card, and that would establish a mail drop as one of your
legit addresses.

In a month or so, I'd apply for half a dozen credit cards with your
name and ssn, but my mail drop address. I'd use them to buy high
value stuff, like gold, that's easy to sell for cash. Or get a quick
$10k personal loan from Cash Call. I wouldn't buy a car, they're too
easy to trace and you can't get real cash out of them. I might buy an
airplane, fly it down to South America and sell it for 25 cents on the
dollar.

I'm not kidding about the E-Trade account. Check your credit report
in a month, it will be there. I used your real ssn and birthday.

Your SSN and your wife's SSN added together is 792288289

20 years ago you lived at 1562 30th Ave. Apt. 2D, your phone number
was 554-0990. Your wife was living at 2595 N Cramer St, her phone
number was 962-8821. Her name was Udulutch. She was born in June,
1960, in the second week of the month.

You have a business. Your credit is pretty good. If you are in the
open you're a target. You should be checking your credit reports
every 3 months.

WAKE UP!!!! Don't be an idiot. There are 700,000-900,000 cases of
identity theft per year, growing at about 25% per year. Do you know
anyone that's been killed by a drunk driver? Probably not. There are
only 15,000 people killed per year by drunk drivers. That doesn't
mean it's not going to happen.

[WAKE UP!!!]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<t9uCb.328993$Dw6.1107274@attbi_s02>...
> >We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
> > name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
> > serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
> > asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
> > overly cautious, yes.
>
> You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
> who has actually suffered from "identity theft".
>
> As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address
> (well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal
> hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide
> behind a phony name.
>
> I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the
> little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about
> the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product,
> and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder
> if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once
> again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us
> something?
>
> Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

I've just opened an E-Trade Bank account in your name. It took me 3
minutes. Don't worry, tomorrow I'll close it, I'm one of the good
guys, but in the meantime I could have used that to get a small limit,
secured visa card, and that would establish a mail drop as one of your
legit addresses.

In a month or so, I'd apply for half a dozen credit cards with your
name and ssn, but my mail drop address. I'd use them to buy high
value stuff, like gold, that's easy to sell for cash. Or get a quick
$10k personal loan from Cash Call. I wouldn't buy a car, they're too
easy to trace and you can't get real cash out of them. I might buy an
airplane, fly it down to South America and sell it for 25 cents on the
dollar.

I'm not kidding about the E-Trade account. Check your credit report
in a month, it will be there. I used your real ssn and birthday.

Your SSN and your wife's SSN added together is 792288289

20 years ago you lived at 1562 30th Ave. Apt. 2D, your phone number
was 554-0990. Your wife was living at 2595 N Cramer St, her phone
number was 962-8821. Her name was Udulutch. She was born in June,
1960, in the second week of the month.

You have a business. Your credit is pretty good. If you are in the
open you're a target. You should be checking your credit reports
every 3 months.

WAKE UP!!!! Don't be an idiot. There are 700,000-900,000 cases of
identity theft per year, growing at about 25% per year. Do you know
anyone that's been killed by a drunk driver? Probably not. There are
only 15,000 people killed per year by drunk drivers. That doesn't
mean it's not going to happen.

[Bob Noel]

In article >, "Dashi"
> wrote:

> > Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?
>
> Yes.
>
> Do you know anyone that has been murdered?

I did. :-(

--
Bob Noel

[Martin Hotze]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:47:59 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

>Re: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
>
>Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
>every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:
>
>1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from

it is your site - so it is your decision

>several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
>numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
>bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
>off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a

your decision, their privacy

>couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what
>do you folks think?

it is YOUR site, not "OURS".

>2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,

it loads to much stuff. a directory with sub-pages might help.
I'd make it a database ...

>but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
>Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?
>
>3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --

you would never get _my_ permission to post _my_ address on your page. It
is only another ressource for address-harvesters.

>but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
>participants?
>

hm. reading here, posting here.
or do you want to post all those fake addresses with
their faked names?

>Thanks for your help!

but to sum it up: it's your site (with a very clear connection to the main
site [directory/navigation]).

#m

--
http://www.declareyourself.com/fyr_candidates.php
http://www.subterrane.com/bush.shtml

[Martin Hotze]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:01:52 -0500, "Marco Leon" <mleon(at)optonline.net>
wrote:

>Page loads fine for me but I'm on a cable modem but I can see it becoming a
>problem eventually. You may want to have a listing by state with their name
>and n-number and maybe one picture and make it a link to anther page. Sort
>of like this:
>NY
> John Doe N123AB < Pic >
> Steve and Amy Smith N54321 < Pic >


this cries for a database.

next big thread: how to set up a database for r.a.*? what do I need and how
to manage it.

#m

--
http://www.declareyourself.com/fyr_candidates.php
http://www.subterrane.com/bush.shtml

[Martin Hotze]

On 12 Dec 2003 14:48:05 -0800, Javier Henderson wrote:

>"Jay Honeck" > writes:
>
>
>> 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
>> but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
>> Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?
>
>The server this is on has only T1 connectivity.
>

I don't know what stuff you have on your servers, but I know the load on my
servers. And there is no webserver using more than 500 kbit/s peak, average
is 50% of this. (OK, there is only about 150 GB Traffic/month)

>Jay, I'll get in touch with you via private email, we should move
>it to the server with 100 megabits connectivity.

*ROTFL*

>-jav

#m

--
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http://www.subterrane.com/bush.shtml

[Martin Hotze]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:28:01 -0600, Montblack wrote:

>
>I agree with Doug's thoughts here. I'm not too interested in someone's
>N-number. I do enjoy seeing newsgroup ID's matched up to planes and people.

yes. It is good to have a picture associated to a posting. So it becomes
harder to call the poster an idiot or an a**hole. :-))

#m

--
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http://www.subterrane.com/bush.shtml

[Chuck]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:OXoCb.322300$Dw6.1094050@attbi_s02...

<snip>

> 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
> but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for
you?
> Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?

Loads fine with DSL, but... if it were my page, I would have pages for each
state represented or by aircraft manufacturer.

Listed by names has already been suggested, but personally, I would rather
look at them by state. That way I can see what my fellow Texas owns.

[Andrew Rowley]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote:

>You obviously have no clue what the simplest forms of identity theft can do
>to a person's life, never mind the most extreme kinds. You think that
>because you are a retailer, that you see the extent of the result of
>identity theft. But you obviously don't. The cost of goods obtained
>through identity theft is the least of anyone's problems (except perhaps
>yours). Much more significant are the years a person has to invest
>recovering from the crime.

I read an article about identity theft where the victim found that a
wanted murderer was using his identity, and there were warrants for
arrest in his name. He ended up carrying a letter around with him from
his local police that he wasn't the person wanted for murder, but he
wasn't completely confident that the letter would be effective.

[Stu Gotts]

Jay;
If you belong to your local Better Business Bureau, you get the weekly
e-communications. I'm not sure this business only group would be on
such high alert if it weren't actually happening. Very few businesses
are on this bandwagon to make a profit, so although none of your
1,298,066 friends have been victimized, it's still real. Yes, I have
personally heard from one of my customers that she was/is involved in
this. Too much work trying to prove "That's not me!". And to think
of all the owner maintenance I've signed off in the logs over the
years is scary! I changed all my license numbers and strongly suggest
everyone do the same. NEVER give out your SSN to anyone who shouldn't
have it, PERIOD! There is actually a federal law on the books stating
that SSN's are not to be used for record keeping.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:43:53 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>>We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
>> name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
>> serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
>> asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
>> overly cautious, yes.
>
>You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
>who has actually suffered from "identity theft".
>
>As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address
>(well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal
>hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide
>behind a phony name.
>
>I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the
>little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about
>the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product,
>and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder
>if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once
>again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us
>something?
>
>Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

[Stu Gotts]

Guess he told you --- and everyone else. Imagine everything you've
worked for all your life going down the toilet. Here's how it starts,
and this guy doesn't even do it for a living.

On 13 Dec 2003 00:08:33 -0800, (WAKE UP!!!)
wrote:


>>-----------------------------------------------
>> Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?
>
>I've just opened an E-Trade Bank account in your name. It took me 3
>minutes. Don't worry, tomorrow I'll close it, I'm one of the good
>guys, but in the meantime I could have used that to get a small limit,
>secured visa card, and that would establish a mail drop as one of your
>legit addresses.
>
>In a month or so, I'd apply for half a dozen credit cards with your
>name and ssn, but my mail drop address. I'd use them to buy high
>value stuff, like gold, that's easy to sell for cash. Or get a quick
>$10k personal loan from Cash Call. I wouldn't buy a car, they're too
>easy to trace and you can't get real cash out of them. I might buy an
>airplane, fly it down to South America and sell it for 25 cents on the
>dollar.
>
>I'm not kidding about the E-Trade account. Check your credit report
>in a month, it will be there. I used your real ssn and birthday.
>
>Your SSN and your wife's SSN added together is 792288289
>
>20 years ago you lived at 1562 30th Ave. Apt. 2D, your phone number
>was 554-0990. Your wife was living at 2595 N Cramer St, her phone
>number was 962-8821. Her name was Udulutch. She was born in June,
>1960, in the second week of the month.
>
>You have a business. Your credit is pretty good. If you are in the
>open you're a target. You should be checking your credit reports
>every 3 months.
>
>WAKE UP!!!! Don't be an idiot. There are 700,000-900,000 cases of
>identity theft per year, growing at about 25% per year. Do you know
>anyone that's been killed by a drunk driver? Probably not. There are
>only 15,000 people killed per year by drunk drivers. That doesn't
>mean it's not going to happen.

[Dan Luke]

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
> 1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received
> pictures from several folks who do not wish to use their real
> names, have their "N" numbers visible, or have their home
> bases publicized.

I think regular posters' "handles" would be fine. After all, this is a
gallery of usenet folks.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

[G.R. Patterson III]

Dashi wrote:
>
> Do you know anyone that has been murdered?

I did. I knew three murderers, too.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[Jay Honeck]

> WAKE UP!!!! Don't be an idiot.

Holy ****! You've convinced me!

Pretty impressive -- especially the part about Mary's maiden name. (NO ONE
can spell her last name correctly -- and you got it! :-)

Don't post it here (of course) but I'd be really curious to know how you
obtained our SS numbers?

(And, BTW, I DO know someone who was killed by a drunk driver.)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[G.R. Patterson III]

"WAKE UP!!!" wrote:
>
..... bunches of info ....

Do you do this sort of research for a living? If so, please contact me by email.
Nothing nefarious, I would simply like to find out if a particular person is
still alive.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[Cy Galley]

My original SS card had printed on the face... Not to be used for
identication. How Ironic as the IRS requires a SS#.

"Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
...
> Jay;
> If you belong to your local Better Business Bureau, you get the weekly
> e-communications. I'm not sure this business only group would be on
> such high alert if it weren't actually happening. Very few businesses
> are on this bandwagon to make a profit, so although none of your
> 1,298,066 friends have been victimized, it's still real. Yes, I have
> personally heard from one of my customers that she was/is involved in
> this. Too much work trying to prove "That's not me!". And to think
> of all the owner maintenance I've signed off in the logs over the
> years is scary! I changed all my license numbers and strongly suggest
> everyone do the same. NEVER give out your SSN to anyone who shouldn't
> have it, PERIOD! There is actually a federal law on the books stating
> that SSN's are not to be used for record keeping.
>
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:43:53 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote:
>
> >>We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
> >> name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
> >> serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
> >> asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
> >> overly cautious, yes.
> >
> >You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
> >who has actually suffered from "identity theft".
> >
> >As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email
address
> >(well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with
minimal
> >hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to
hide
> >behind a phony name.
> >
> >I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on
the
> >little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across
about
> >the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a
product,
> >and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to
wonder
> >if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue,
once
> >again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell
us
> >something?
> >
> >Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?
>

[Jay Honeck]

> but to sum it up: it's your site (with a very clear connection to the main
> site [directory/navigation]).

Once again, Marty, your command of English is tentative.

Obviously it's "my" site. Although you could make a case that it's really
Jav Henderson's site, since it resides on HIS server. Or, I suppose, since
it resides on the internet, it could be Al Gore's site?

It's a figure of speech, meaning "I'm doing this for you guys".
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Do you do this sort of research for a living? If so, please contact me by
email.
> Nothing nefarious, I would simply like to find out if a particular person
is
> still alive.

Actually, that's a great idea, George!

Me too! I've been trying to track down a childhood friend for 20 years now,
to no avail.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

("G.R. Patterson III" wrote)
> > Do you know anyone that has been murdered?
>
> I did. I knew three murderers, too.


Margene and I do not "personally" know anyone who has been murdered.

However, we did each grow up with someone (read: extended family) who was
convicted of murder.

Other than that, we're good people :-)

--
Montblack
http://lumma.de/mt/archives/bart.gif

[Montblack]

WAKEUP - or anyone who knows how to do this,

I'll pay $50 (cash) for a successful search result.

Contact me at
I even have the SSN.

Please use: "$50 rec.aviation search" for the subject line (minus the
quotations) ...I just set the spam filters to let that through.

If I get a few more than one response - I'll give out the info to one person
at a time, with maybe a 7 day timeline, then go to the next person. Sound
reasonable?

Thank you in advance.

--
Montblack
http://lumma.de/mt/archives/bart.gif


("WAKE UP!!!" wrote)
< interesting info clipped>
> I've just opened an E-Trade Bank account in your name. It took me 3
> minutes. Don't worry, tomorrow I'll close it, I'm one of the good
> guys, but in the meantime I could have used that to get a small limit,
> secured visa card, and that would establish a mail drop as one of your
> legit addresses.

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
<snip>
> It's a figure of speech, meaning "I'm doing this for you guys".


Marty knows that's what you meant - he's just giving you the needle :-)

--
Montblack
http://lumma.de/mt/archives/bart.gif

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:18:09 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

>> but to sum it up: it's your site (with a very clear connection to the main
>> site [directory/navigation]).
>
>Once again, Marty, your command of English is tentative.

nope. I know what I wrote.

>Obviously it's "my" site. Although you could make a case that it's really
>Jav Henderson's site, since it resides on HIS server. Or, I suppose, since
>it resides on the internet, it could be Al Gore's site?

nah.
Looking at one of your business pages and this listing it is too much
connected to your business site.

>It's a figure of speech, meaning "I'm doing this for you guys".

hmm.


#m
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http://www.subterrane.com/bush.shtml

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:32:39 -0600, Montblack wrote:

>("Jay Honeck" wrote)
><snip>
>> It's a figure of speech, meaning "I'm doing this for you guys".
>
>
>Marty knows that's what you meant - he's just giving you the needle :-)

I know what I wanted to say. And I don't know to whom he's doing a favour.
I don't want (but this is only me) my business connected to my private
stuff (done that) and anyone whom I am in contact with private connected
with my business.

#m
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http://www.declareyourself.com/fyr_candidates.php
http://www.subterrane.com/bush.shtml

[PhyrePhox]

Hello Jay,

Paul the Lurker here I think we talked about wiring up your hotel for
wireless internet access once.
Anyway, the speed right now is ok over the cable modem connection I've got
now but you are going to
run into problems pretty quick.

The two big things you can do to increase the speed of this one page is
get rid of the tables. The more tables
the browser has to render the slower things go and you have tables for
everything. Use <div> and <spans>.
The speed increase will be real big. The other thing would be to get rid of
all the <script> tags in each table header.
You only need it once for the whole page and really you don't need it at all
anymore. It's good to have for people
using Netscape 4.0 but anything newer doesn't need it.

Since you are using frontpage you might not be able to change some
things. Also since the ceilings are 500' 3sm vis
in rain and I've now got nothing to do.... I'll take your source code and
change it around a bit and send it to you to take
a look at.

Paul Davis


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:OXoCb.322300$Dw6.1094050@attbi_s02...
> Re: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
>
> Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
> every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:
>
> 1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
> several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
> numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
> bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
> off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a
> couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page --
what
> do you folks think?
>
> 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
> but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for
you?
> Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?
>
> 3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --
> but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
> participants?
>
> Thanks for your help!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[R. Hubbell]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:47:59 GMT "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Re: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
>
> Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
> every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:
>
> 1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
> several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
> numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
> bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
> off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a
> couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what
> do you folks think?
>
> 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
> but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
> Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?
>
> 3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --
> but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
> participants?
>
> Thanks for your help!

A nice thing to do. I think to show your support for rec.aviation.* you should
also provide the rec.aviation.* FAQ. That would balance it out and provide a
great source of information for all pilots.



R. Hubbell


> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> I know what I wanted to say. And I don't know to whom he's doing a favour.
> I don't want (but this is only me) my business connected to my private
> stuff (done that) and anyone whom I am in contact with private connected
> with my business.

Um, well, I tend to do things differently.

But then, remember, I got into this hotel business because it's fun to meet
pilots from all over the world. Thus, my "business" is intimately connected
with my "private stuff'... In fact, I don't make any effort to separate the
two. Creating a web page with pix of cool plane, from guys and gals I talk
to every day, is FUN, Marty!

Trust me, if I was in this to make money, I'd be aiming for a different
target-market than you cheap-ass pilots! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> A nice thing to do. I think to show your support for rec.aviation.* you
should
> also provide the rec.aviation.* FAQ. That would balance it out and
provide a
> great source of information for all pilots.

Great idea!

Where can I find the FAQs?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:59:13 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

>
>Where can I find the FAQs?

You have to write it.
And don't forget to put it under GPL.

:-)

#m

--
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http://www.subterrane.com/bush.shtml

[WAKE UP!!!]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message >...
> "WAKE UP!!!" wrote:
> >
> .... bunches of info ....
>
> Do you do this sort of research for a living? If so, please contact me by email.
> Nothing nefarious, I would simply like to find out if a particular person is
> still alive.
>
> George Patterson
> Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
> "Hummmmm... That's interesting...."


I don't do it for a living, but if it's for a good cause I'll run a
quick search for you for free. My databases aren't perfect, but
they're very good. If I don't come up with anything, it doesn't mean
they're dead, it's one of those "you can't prove a negative" things.
Contact me at the address listed but I'll probably turn it off in a
couple of weeks, since in the 12 hours since I posted I've gotten 145
virus emails there.

Jay, I'd tell you how I got your SSN, but then I'd have to kill you;)

SSN's are EVERYWHERE, they're easier to get than an unlisted phone
number. By the time I get it, I can't tell where it came from, the
data is blended, matched and combined. I confirmed yours with an old
CD I have from FAA listing all the certified pilots and their ssns.
They don't do it anymore, but I still have the CD.

Mother's maiden names are only a little more secure. Getting the
spelling of your wife's name was automatic, off the databases, but I
have no idea how to say it.

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:57:14 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

>> I know what I wanted to say. And I don't know to whom he's doing a favour.
>> I don't want (but this is only me) my business connected to my private
>> stuff (done that) and anyone whom I am in contact with private connected
>> with my business.
>
>Um, well, I tend to do things differently.
>
>But then, remember, I got into this hotel business because it's fun to meet
>pilots from all over the world. Thus, my "business" is intimately connected

ok

>with my "private stuff'... In fact, I don't make any effort to separate the
>two. Creating a web page with pix of cool plane, from guys and gals I talk
>to every day, is FUN, Marty!

I have no problem with the fact that you are doing this r.a.* page in
general. But I think that only a link back to the hotel would be all that
is needed, and not all the navigation and address (ok, maybe for copyright
issues).
and still: this collection cries for a database.

or (suggestion): put all your aviation stuff in on separate folder:
www.alexisparkinn/aviation/ and start thereof with what you seem
informative:
www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation/movies/
.............................../pictures/
.............................../rec_aviation/
.............................../rec_aviation/faq/
etc.

(and maybe use a different layout here than for your hotel and clearly
state the difference between business and leisure in your
disclaimer/copyright notice on your website [you do have that, don't you?])


>Trust me, if I was in this to make money, I'd be aiming for a different
>target-market than you cheap-ass pilots! :-)

:-)

#m

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http://www.subterrane.com/bush.shtml

[G.R. Patterson III]

PhyrePhox wrote:
>
> Since you are using frontpage you might not be able to change some
> things. Also since the ceilings are 500' 3sm vis
> in rain and I've now got nothing to do.... I'll take your source code and
> change it around a bit and send it to you to take
> a look at.

While you're at it, see if you can figure out why I wind up at the top of the
list if I use the back button to return from viewing a photo. It also completely
reloads the page when I do this, so it takes a long time to looks around.

What happens is 1. Click on URL. Page takes several second to load. 2. Scroll
down just checking things out. 3. Click on (for example), M. Powell's photo.
Loads fast. View. 4. Click on "back". Page takes several seconds to load. Find
myself at the first entry on the page. 5. Either start back at step 2 or scroll
up to click on the "P" in the alphabet.

I'm running Netscape 4.79.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[R. Hubbell]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:59:13 GMT "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> > A nice thing to do. I think to show your support for rec.aviation.* you
> should
> > also provide the rec.aviation.* FAQ. That would balance it out and
> provide a
> > great source of information for all pilots.
>
> Great idea!
>
> Where can I find the FAQs?

This will require some work on your part. You'll have to treat each FAQ
differently I'll bet. Some you will only have to mirror, others you might need
to actually adopt and maintain. The google archives can provide the meat. And
it's easy enough to figure out which questions keep getting asked over and over
again. This would be a great thing to have. You can solicit help from the
posters here. Maybe ask for volunteers to maintain a topic or two.
Collaboration will make it simpler and better overall.

http://google.com/search?q=rec.aviation.*+FAQ

Word to the wise, you may be taking on a responsibility that could last
a long time. But it's for a good cause, don't you tihnk?


R. Hubbell

> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Word to the wise, you may be taking on a responsibility that could last
> a long time. But it's for a good cause, don't you tihnk?

This is probably a dumb question, but what has to be maintained? After all
these years, aren't the FAQs pretty "set in stone"?

Can't I just copy/paste it into a page, and be done?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Aardvark]

Jay Honeck
Did you get my e-mail about webhosting?
Hoping ya didn't think it was spam:)

Winston Walker

[Rich S.]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:hJMCb.532802$HS4.4070962@attbi_s01...
> > Word to the wise, you may be taking on a responsibility that could last
> > a long time. But it's for a good cause, don't you tihnk?
>
> This is probably a dumb question, but what has to be maintained? After
all
> these years, aren't the FAQs pretty "set in stone"?
>
> Can't I just copy/paste it into a page, and be done?

Youse guys are talking about two different things.

Rich S.

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:50:53 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

>> Word to the wise, you may be taking on a responsibility that could last
>> a long time. But it's for a good cause, don't you tihnk?
>
>This is probably a dumb question,


well ....

>but what has to be maintained?


the FAQ
plus looking for mirrors, gathering folks around the FAQ-maintainer, maybe
posting the FAQ every month or so, etc. etc.

> After all
>these years, aren't the FAQs pretty "set in stone"?

and it has to be done by someone being credible and reliable and with at
least some knowledge of internet (IMNSHO) and usenet.

>Can't I just copy/paste it into a page, and be done?

and be sure to have permission for what you use.

for example see here: http://www.airport-directory.com/faq/index.htm

#m
--
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http://www.subterrane.com/bush.shtml

[Jay Honeck]

> Jay Honeck
> Did you get my e-mail about webhosting?
> Hoping ya didn't think it was spam:)

Whassup, Winston? I get a jillion emails per day, but I don't remember one
like that?

What about webhosting?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Stu Gotts]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:04:14 GMT, "Cy Galley" >
wrote:

>My original SS card had printed on the face... Not to be used for
>identication. How Ironic as the IRS requires a SS#.

Jesus Christ! You still have that? Do you still have your original
pilot's license that was signed by Orville too?
>
>"Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
...
>> Jay;
>> If you belong to your local Better Business Bureau, you get the weekly
>> e-communications. I'm not sure this business only group would be on
>> such high alert if it weren't actually happening. Very few businesses
>> are on this bandwagon to make a profit, so although none of your
>> 1,298,066 friends have been victimized, it's still real. Yes, I have
>> personally heard from one of my customers that she was/is involved in
>> this. Too much work trying to prove "That's not me!". And to think
>> of all the owner maintenance I've signed off in the logs over the
>> years is scary! I changed all my license numbers and strongly suggest
>> everyone do the same. NEVER give out your SSN to anyone who shouldn't
>> have it, PERIOD! There is actually a federal law on the books stating
>> that SSN's are not to be used for record keeping.
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:43:53 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
>> >> name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
>> >> serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
>> >> asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
>> >> overly cautious, yes.
>> >
>> >You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
>> >who has actually suffered from "identity theft".
>> >
>> >As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email
>address
>> >(well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with
>minimal
>> >hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to
>hide
>> >behind a phony name.
>> >
>> >I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on
>the
>> >little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across
>about
>> >the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a
>product,
>> >and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to
>wonder
>> >if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue,
>once
>> >again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell
>us
>> >something?
>> >
>> >Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?
>>
>

[Aardvark]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Jay Honeck
>>Did you get my e-mail about webhosting?
>>Hoping ya didn't think it was spam:)
>
>
> Whassup, Winston? I get a jillion emails per day, but I don't remember one
> like that?
>
> What about webhosting?

Subject: "Web site ranking"
Sent last thursday.
and
Subject: "OH! also"
Sent last thursday.

If needed I can resend:)

WW

[Peter Dohm]

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:
>
> Dashi wrote:
> >
> > Do you know anyone that has been murdered?
>
> I did. I knew three murderers, too.
>
> George Patterson
> Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
> "Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

I interpreted the question as present tense ... :-)

Peter

[Jay Honeck]

> > What about webhosting?
>
> Subject: "Web site ranking"
> Sent last thursday.
> and
> Subject: "OH! also"
> Sent last thursday.
>
> If needed I can resend:)

Nothing like that on my work PC. I may have cleared it and trashed it,
presuming it to be spam?

Try again, please!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Greg Burkhart]

See http://makeshorter.com/?54L24q45H Why reinvent the FAQ?

"R. Hubbell" > wrote in message
news:5_LCb.2824$pY.2722@fed1read04...
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:59:13 GMT "Jay Honeck" >
wrote:
> > Where can I find the FAQs?
>
> http://google.com/search?q=rec.aviation.*+FAQ

[Blueskies]

"Bryan Martin" > wrote in message ...
> in article 9LGCb.534625$Tr4.1461954@attbi_s03, Cy Galley at
> wrote on 12/13/03 11:04 AM:
>
> >>>> We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
> >>>> name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
> >>>> serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
> >>>> asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
> >>>> overly cautious, yes.
>
>
> Go to http://registry.faa.gov/airmen.asp#ReplacementofCertificates and you
> can download a form to request a new airman certificate that does not use
> your SSN as the certificate number. You can even request that the FAA not
> use your SSN for any purposes in your airman file.
>


We have all had that option all along. When I got my ticket back in 76 I had the option to use the SSN or have the fed
assign a number. I chose to have them assign a number...

[Dashi]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "WAKE UP!!!" wrote:
> >
> .... bunches of info ....
>
> Do you do this sort of research for a living? If so, please contact me by
email.
> Nothing nefarious, I would simply like to find out if a particular person
is
> still alive.

Careful now, you did say that you knew three murderers, want to make it
four? ;->

dashi

[Tom Fleischman]

In article >, Bryan
Martin > wrote:

> in article 9LGCb.534625$Tr4.1461954@attbi_s03, Cy Galley at
> wrote on 12/13/03 11:04 AM:
>
> >>>> We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
> >>>> name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
> >>>> serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
> >>>> asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
> >>>> overly cautious, yes.
>
>
> Go to http://registry.faa.gov/airmen.asp#ReplacementofCertificates and you
> can download a form to request a new airman certificate that does not use
> your SSN as the certificate number. You can even request that the FAA not
> use your SSN for any purposes in your airman file.
>

Actually, the correct link for that is as follows:

http://registry.faa.gov/airmen.asp#ChangeCertificateNumber

[Jay Honeck]

> While you're at it, see if you can figure out why I wind up at the top of
the
> list if I use the back button to return from viewing a photo. It also
completely
> reloads the page when I do this, so it takes a long time to looks around.

Weird. I can't duplicate this behavior. Can anyone else?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...

[Jay Honeck]

> > > Where can I find the FAQs?
> >
> > http://google.com/search?q=rec.aviation.*+FAQ

Okay, so it already exists? Why don't I just link to it from the pix page?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[R. Hubbell]

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:14:37 GMT "Greg Burkhart" > wrote:

> See http://makeshorter.com/?54L24q45H Why reinvent the FAQ?

Who said anything about reinventing the FAQs?



R. Hubbell

>
> "R. Hubbell" > wrote in message
> news:5_LCb.2824$pY.2722@fed1read04...
> > On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:59:13 GMT "Jay Honeck" >
> wrote:
> > > Where can I find the FAQs?
> >
> > http://google.com/search?q=rec.aviation.*+FAQ
>
>

[R. Hubbell]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:50:53 GMT "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> > Word to the wise, you may be taking on a responsibility that could last
> > a long time. But it's for a good cause, don't you tihnk?
>
> This is probably a dumb question, but what has to be maintained? After all
> these years, aren't the FAQs pretty "set in stone"?

FAQs, at least the good ones, are not set in stone. They should get periodic
updates and those updates should get posted or announced in the relevant groups.

Some of the FAQs (e.g. r.a.m) seem to be maintained currently and some are
not. The ones that are you could mirror or link. (mirrors are usually always
welcome but check with the maintainer first) The ones that are not maintained
currently you would have to adopt and maintain. I think you could find a
volunteer or two around here to own parts of the FAQ and provide updates as
needed. A (*gasp*) collaborative effort. :)

>
> Can't I just copy/paste it into a page, and be done?

You could but the idea with the stale ones would be to revitalize them, get
them up to date add any recent FAQs not already covered, etc.
And the ones maintained currently could be mirrored.

mirrored == you pull the content on some regular basis from the
maintainer site.


R. Hubbell
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[R. Hubbell]

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:16:47 GMT "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> > While you're at it, see if you can figure out why I wind up at the top of
> the
> > list if I use the back button to return from viewing a photo. It also
> completely
> > reloads the page when I do this, so it takes a long time to looks around.
>
> Weird. I can't duplicate this behavior. Can anyone else?

You probably have your browser cache set to a size that's smaller than the total
bytes that the page contains.

I can't believe I'm troubleshooting someone's browser problems in
rec.aviation.* We really need to get back to talking aviation. :\

R. Hubbell

> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
> "G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>

[Martin Hotze]

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:14:37 GMT, Greg Burkhart wrote:

>See http://makeshorter.com/?54L24q45H Why reinvent the FAQ?

Last-modified: 05 Apr 1994 by geoff # peck.com (Geoff Peck)
[email address modified]

sure, you might use it (check for copyright) and bring it up do date. it is
almost 10 years old.

#m

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[G.R. Patterson III]

Peter Dohm wrote:
>
> "G.R. Patterson III" wrote:
> >
> > Dashi wrote:
> > >
> > > Do you know anyone that has been murdered?
> >
> > I did. I knew three murderers, too.
> >
> > George Patterson
> > Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
> > "Hummmmm... That's interesting...."
>
> I interpreted the question as present tense ... :-)

People who are dead and people who are in prison tend to be people for whom I
do not apply the present tense.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[Dashi]

"R. Hubbell" > wrote in message
news:23UCb.4018$pY.3247@fed1read04...
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:16:47 GMT "Jay Honeck" >
wrote:
>
> > > While you're at it, see if you can figure out why I wind up at the top
of
> > the
> > > list if I use the back button to return from viewing a photo. It also
> > completely
> > > reloads the page when I do this, so it takes a long time to looks
around.
> >
> > Weird. I can't duplicate this behavior. Can anyone else?
>
> You probably have your browser cache set to a size that's smaller than the
total
> bytes that the page contains.
>
> I can't believe I'm troubleshooting someone's browser problems in
> rec.aviation.* We really need to get back to talking aviation. :\
>
> R. Hubbell

Why not, look at your/my reply, more wasteful than Jay's reply and he is
trying to help someone.

Dashi

>
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Iowa City, IA
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > www.AlexisParkInn.com
> > "Your Aviation Destination"
> > "G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >

[R. Hubbell]

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:29:29 -0800 "Dashi" > wrote:

>
> "R. Hubbell" > wrote in message
> news:23UCb.4018$pY.3247@fed1read04...
> > On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:16:47 GMT "Jay Honeck" >
> wrote:
> >
> > > > While you're at it, see if you can figure out why I wind up at the top
> of
> > > the
> > > > list if I use the back button to return from viewing a photo. It also
> > > completely
> > > > reloads the page when I do this, so it takes a long time to looks
> around.
> > >
> > > Weird. I can't duplicate this behavior. Can anyone else?
> >
> > You probably have your browser cache set to a size that's smaller than the
> total
> > bytes that the page contains.
> >
> > I can't believe I'm troubleshooting someone's browser problems in
> > rec.aviation.* We really need to get back to talking aviation. :\
> >
> > R. Hubbell
>
> Why not, look at your/my reply, more wasteful than Jay's reply and he is
> trying to help someone.


Whatchew talkin' 'bout Willis?



R. Hubbell

>
> Dashi
>
> >
> > > --
> > > Jay Honeck
> > > Iowa City, IA
> > > Pathfinder N56993
> > > www.AlexisParkInn.com
> > > "Your Aviation Destination"
> > > "G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > >
>
>

[Peter R.]

WAKE UP!!! wrote:

> I'm not kidding about the E-Trade account. Check your credit report
> in a month, it will be there. I used your real ssn and birthday.
>
> Your SSN and your wife's SSN added together is 792288289

Scary ****...

Good lesson.

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[Peter R.]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
> who has actually suffered from "identity theft".
<snip>

About five years ago a perp opened up a cell phone account in my name
but in another time zone. Rang up $3,500 worth of charges before the
account was closed for non-payment.

I caught it by checking my credit report, which showed this as a
collection agency item. However, after I disputed the problem with the
credit reporting bureau, the collection agency got my current address
and went after me directly via harassing phone calls and certified
letters.

When I invoked the "Fair Credit Act" legalize on them, they simply sold
the debt to another sleaze bag outfit who started the process all over
again.

It took me four years and legal action on my part to put this item to
rest.

.... and I consider my experience very fortunate when I read those of
other identity theft victims.

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[Dashi]

"R. Hubbell" > wrote in message
news:MX5Db.7296$pY.4139@fed1read04...
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:29:29 -0800 "Dashi" > wrote:
>
> >
> > "R. Hubbell" > wrote in message
> > news:23UCb.4018$pY.3247@fed1read04...
> > > On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:16:47 GMT "Jay Honeck"
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > While you're at it, see if you can figure out why I wind up at the
top
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > list if I use the back button to return from viewing a photo. It
also
> > > > completely
> > > > > reloads the page when I do this, so it takes a long time to looks
> > around.
> > > >
> > > > Weird. I can't duplicate this behavior. Can anyone else?
> > >
> > > You probably have your browser cache set to a size that's smaller than
the
> > total
> > > bytes that the page contains.
> > >
> > > I can't believe I'm troubleshooting someone's browser problems in
> > > rec.aviation.* We really need to get back to talking aviation. :\
> > >
> > > R. Hubbell
> >
> > Why not, look at your/my reply, more wasteful than Jay's reply and he is
> > trying to help someone.
>
>
> Whatchew talkin' 'bout Willis?

I agree with you 100% dude! ;->

Dashi

[Russell Kent]

Dashi wrote:

> Do you know anyone that has been murdered?

Jay Honeck replied:

> Nope. And if I did, how would this be relevant?

I think that Dashi is trying to make a point by analogy. Your not knowing any
murder victims doesn't counter that fact that murders do occur. By parallel,
your not knowing (at the time; see Ben Sego's post) any identity theft victims
doesn't counter the fact that identity theft does occur. It's a weak argument
to an implied statement on your part (I don't know any identity theft victims,
therefore I doubt that identity theft occurs).

Russell Kent