Centenial TFR

[Roger Long]

I just read that Bush will speak at the Kill Devils Hill bash. Does this
mean that the Wright Flyer won't be able take off?

Nothing else will be flying, how inappropriate.

--
Roger Long

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Roger Long m>
posted:

> I just read that Bush will speak at the Kill Devils Hill bash. Does
> this mean that the Wright Flyer won't be able take off?
>
> Nothing else will be flying, how inappropriate.
>
I can think of nothing that better represents Bush's notion of
self-importance. If he really had a clue, he'd stay as far away from the
event as he could, so that Americans could celebrate the occassion
joyously by participating in this activity that we all love so dearly.
Instead, he chooses to shut it down, and put the focus on himself. Sheesh.

Neil

[Roger Long]

I get pretty down on Bush and then I realize that I'm being unfair. The
presidency is a very tough job and there is a lot more to it than being
intelligent, articulate, informed, and reasonable.

--
Roger Long
Neil Gould > wrote in message
nk.net...
> Recently, Roger Long m>
> posted:
>
> > I just read that Bush will speak at the Kill Devils Hill bash. Does
> > this mean that the Wright Flyer won't be able take off?
> >
> > Nothing else will be flying, how inappropriate.
> >
> I can think of nothing that better represents Bush's notion of
> self-importance. If he really had a clue, he'd stay as far away from the
> event as he could, so that Americans could celebrate the occassion
> joyously by participating in this activity that we all love so dearly.
> Instead, he chooses to shut it down, and put the focus on himself. Sheesh.
>
> Neil
>
>
>

[Gene Seibel]

The Wright Flyer not being able to take off may have nothing to do with the TFR. ;)
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.



"Roger Long" m> wrote in message >...
> I just read that Bush will speak at the Kill Devils Hill bash. Does this
> mean that the Wright Flyer won't be able take off?
>
> Nothing else will be flying, how inappropriate.

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Gene Seibel > posted:

> The Wright Flyer not being able to take off may have nothing to do
> with the TFR. ;)
>
Good point. With Bush there, there won't be any shortage of wind. 8-)

Neil

[David Dyer-Bennet]

"Roger Long" m> writes:

> I get pretty down on Bush and then I realize that I'm being unfair. The
> presidency is a very tough job and there is a lot more to it than being
> intelligent, articulate, informed, and reasonable.

Yeah, but he's not good at those other parts either.
--
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[Dennis O'Connor]

So, you truly believe that Clinton, Johnson, Kennedy, Truman, or Roosevelt
wouldn't have gone to Kill Devil to speechify if it happened on their watch?

Denny

"Neil Gould" > wrote in > Instead, he chooses to shut
it down, and put the focus on himself. Sheesh.

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Dennis O'Connor > posted:

> So, you truly believe that Clinton, Johnson, Kennedy, Truman, or
> Roosevelt wouldn't have gone to Kill Devil to speechify if it
> happened on their watch?
>
> Denny
>
> "Neil Gould" > wrote in > Instead, he chooses
> to shut it down, and put the focus on himself. Sheesh.
>
I'm saying that one should consider the consequences of one's actions. In
this case, if the actions serve to prohibit that which you are reputedly
celebrating, it should at least be cause for pause. What percentage of the
audience do you suspect will be receptive to the idea of a TFR being
imposed while they're being blown at? He should give the speech from the
White House lawn, where it can be duly ignored by those of us who'd rather
fly.

Neil

[Roger Long]

I guess you need the inflection of speech to appreciate the joke. When I
heard it, it was clear that the guy telling it meant to say that Jr. was
none of those things.

--
Roger Long
David Dyer-Bennet > wrote in message
...
> "Roger Long" m> writes:
>
> > I get pretty down on Bush and then I realize that I'm being unfair. The
> > presidency is a very tough job and there is a lot more to it than being
> > intelligent, articulate, informed, and reasonable.
>
> Yeah, but he's not good at those other parts either.
> --
> David Dyer-Bennet, >, <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
> RKBA: <noguns-nomoney.com> <www.dd-b.net/carry/>
> Photos: <dd-b.lighthunters.net> Snapshots:
<www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
> Dragaera/Steven Brust: <dragaera.info/>

[David Brooks]

Well, I can't pick out who's being ironic and who isn't here.

With one view of the presidency, there actually *isn't* a lot more to it
than being intelligent, articulate, informed, and reasonable.

For another view what matters are all those personal characteristics like
decisiveness and charm. Which, of course, are incredibly dangerous when not
accompanied by being intelligent, articulate, informed, and reasonable.

-- David Brooks

"Roger Long" m> wrote in
message ...
> I guess you need the inflection of speech to appreciate the joke. When I
> heard it, it was clear that the guy telling it meant to say that Jr. was
> none of those things.
>
> --
> Roger Long
> David Dyer-Bennet > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Roger Long" m>
writes:
> >
> > > I get pretty down on Bush and then I realize that I'm being unfair.
The
> > > presidency is a very tough job and there is a lot more to it than
being
> > > intelligent, articulate, informed, and reasonable.
> >
> > Yeah, but he's not good at those other parts either.
> > --
> > David Dyer-Bennet, >, <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
> > RKBA: <noguns-nomoney.com> <www.dd-b.net/carry/>
> > Photos: <dd-b.lighthunters.net> Snapshots:
> <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
> > Dragaera/Steven Brust: <dragaera.info/>
>
>

[Rob Perkins]

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:38:05 GMT, "Roger Long"
m> wrote:

>I just read that Bush will speak at the Kill Devils Hill bash. Does this
>mean that the Wright Flyer won't be able take off?
>
>Nothing else will be flying, how inappropriate.

I mentioned the President's planned visit to my wife, who is not a
flyer (yet; I'll wear her down and one day she'll take a discovery
flight, then a pinch hitter, then... one can hope!)

She offered that the Wright flyer replicas wouldn't be much of a
threat to the President, since they can't really fly in circles and
won't get off the ground more than several tens of feet.

Perhaps after his speech, the President will have the good sense to Go
Away and permit others the rest of the day in flight. Weather
permitting, of course.

If we're IFR at Kill Devil that day, all of this will be moot anyway.

Rob

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
Rob Perkins > wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:38:05 GMT, "Roger Long"
> m> wrote:
>
> >I just read that Bush will speak at the Kill Devils Hill bash. Does this
> >mean that the Wright Flyer won't be able take off?
> >
> >Nothing else will be flying, how inappropriate.
>
> I mentioned the President's planned visit to my wife, who is not a
> flyer (yet; I'll wear her down and one day she'll take a discovery
> flight, then a pinch hitter, then... one can hope!)
>
> She offered that the Wright flyer replicas wouldn't be much of a
> threat to the President, since they can't really fly in circles and
> won't get off the ground more than several tens of feet.
>
> Perhaps after his speech, the President will have the good sense to Go
> Away and permit others the rest of the day in flight. Weather
> permitting, of course.
>
> If we're IFR at Kill Devil that day, all of this will be moot anyway.
>
> Rob

The SS loons will probably STILL think that it is a threat and prohibit
it from flying!

[Mutts]

One of the most important inventions to mankind? Powered Flight.
Invented by Americans, on the centennial...
Kennedy? Kennedy? "WE CHOOSE TO GO TO THE MOON" That Kennedy?
Wouldnt show up? yeah right! To bad we couldnt bet on that one.


Ok so worst case 0700-1200 local for the TFR. yeah it sucks but
plenty of daylight left to fly.


In article >, says...
>>
>> So, you truly believe that Clinton, Johnson, Kennedy, Truman, or
Roosevelt
>> wouldn't have gone to Kill Devil to speechify if it happened on their
watch?
>
>I don't believe any of them would do it if they were president today.
>

[G.R. Patterson III]

Dennis O'Connor wrote:
>
> So, you truly believe that Clinton, Johnson, Kennedy, Truman, or Roosevelt
> wouldn't have gone to Kill Devil to speechify if it happened on their watch?

I don't believe any of them would do it if they were president today.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually
said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[G.R. Patterson III]

Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
> I'm just glad he has stayed the Hell away from Oshkosh. <g>

I think there aren't enough SS men in the world to keep him from getting
lynched
if he shut down Oshkosh.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually
said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[Philip Sondericker]

in article , G.R. Patterson III at
wrote on 12/16/03 6:30 PM:

>
>
> Dennis O'Connor wrote:
>>
>> So, you truly believe that Clinton, Johnson, Kennedy, Truman, or Roosevelt
>> wouldn't have gone to Kill Devil to speechify if it happened on their watch?
>
> I don't believe any of them would do it if they were president today.

I don't know about everyone on that list, but Franklin Roosevelt was the
first president to fly in an airplane while in office, and his cousin Teddy
had flown in the Wright Flyer way back in 1910 after leaving office. Both
were correspondents with one or both of the Wright Brothers. I'm guessing
FDR would've found his way to Kill Devil.

[Big John]

Why doesn't he fly in with a flight of Fighter Escorts and no TFR?

Could be safer than alone in a TFR due to reaction time of close
Fighters if anything were about to happen.

Doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to make things work.

Big John


On 15 Dec 2003 07:35:39 -0800, (Gene Seibel) wrote:

>The Wright Flyer not being able to take off may have nothing to do with the TFR. ;)

[Teacherjh]

Actually, I'd like to see the prez shut down Oshkosh by visiting. It's
probably the only way enough outrage will be generated to overcome the silly
TFR thing once and for all. If the pres makes "an exception", the whole TFR
thing will be seen as reasonable.

Jose

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[Jake Brodsky]

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:38:05 GMT, "Roger Long"
m> wrote:

>I just read that Bush will speak at the Kill Devils Hill bash. Does this
>mean that the Wright Flyer won't be able take off?
>
>Nothing else will be flying, how inappropriate.

Actually, I want to know why the POTUS decided to take his act to Kill
Devil Hills to watch a replica when he could have walked from the
White House to the Smithsonian's Air and Space Museum and stood before
the real thing. Not only that, he'd be surrounded with a hall of
amazing achievements that followed.

I just don't get it.


Jake Brodsky,
PP ASEL IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ FME
Amateur Radio Station AB3A

[Dave Stadt]

"Jake Brodsky" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:38:05 GMT, "Roger Long"
> m> wrote:
>
> >I just read that Bush will speak at the Kill Devils Hill bash. Does this
> >mean that the Wright Flyer won't be able take off?
> >
> >Nothing else will be flying, how inappropriate.
>
> Actually, I want to know why the POTUS decided to take his act to Kill
> Devil Hills to watch a replica when he could have walked from the
> White House to the Smithsonian's Air and Space Museum and stood before
> the real thing. Not only that, he'd be surrounded with a hall of
> amazing achievements that followed.
>
> I just don't get it.

Simple......lotsa press at Kill Devil Hills today. A politician never
passes up a chance for free press even though he might not have known who
the Wright brothers were half an hour before he arrived.

>
>
> Jake Brodsky,
> PP ASEL IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ FME
> Amateur Radio Station AB3A

[Matthew P. Cummings]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:38:55 -0500, Jake Brodsky wrote:

> White House to the Smithsonian's Air and Space Museum and stood before
> the real thing. Not only that, he'd be surrounded with a hall of
> amazing achievements that followed.

I thought the exhibit there was not quite the real thing but one pieced
together to resemble the real thing.

[Jake Brodsky]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:28:56 -0600, "Matthew P. Cummings"
> wrote:

>I thought the exhibit there was not quite the real thing but one pieced
>together to resemble the real thing.

IIRC, it had pieces from the real thing. The original has been
through some acts of God as well as other changes and/or
modifications. The fabric, of course, is not original.

It's the closest thing to the original flyer that anyone has. That's
why it's hanging in that hall.


Jake Brodsky,
PP ASEL IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ FME
Amateur Radio Station AB3A

[Ron Natalie]

"Gene Seibel" > wrote in message
om...
> The Wright Flyer not being able to take off may have nothing to do with
the TFR. ;)

Hey AF1 did come back and make a low pass after the president departed.