Aviation Bill

[Marc]

Just signed today: "The legislation provides $14 billion for airport
construction projects, including $140 million to help small communities
attract and retain air service, and $308 million to ensure air service to
isolated communities"

[Jay Honeck]

> Just signed today: "The legislation provides $14 billion for airport
> construction projects, including $140 million to help small communities
> attract and retain air service, and $308 million to ensure air service to
> isolated communities"

Anyone know how to get the list of communities that are in line for that
$308 million?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[EDR]

In article <xBJDb.561618$HS4.4257936@attbi_s01>, Jay Honeck
> wrote:

> Anyone know how to get the list of communities that are in line for that
> $308 million?

Some large aircarrier airports may be named directly because their
Congressional representative(s) have the pull to get a large sum of
money for a major project.
General Aviation airports are handled through block grants to each
respective state's aviation governing body. The state agencies then
appropriate their share of the pie based on local politics and need.

[EDR]

In article <xBJDb.561618$HS4.4257936@attbi_s01>, Jay Honeck
> wrote:

> Anyone know how to get the list of communities that are in line for that
> $308 million?

More explicitly, contact your state aviation agency for a list of next
year's projects.

[Don Tuite]

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:06:53 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> Just signed today: "The legislation provides $14 billion for airport
>> construction projects, including $140 million to help small communities
>> attract and retain air service, and $308 million to ensure air service to
>> isolated communities"
>
>Anyone know how to get the list of communities that are in line for that
>$308 million?

www.airportgrants.com

Don

[Steve Foley]

It will probably all go to Chicago.

"EDR" > wrote in message
...
> In article <xBJDb.561618$HS4.4257936@attbi_s01>, Jay Honeck
> > wrote:
>
> > Anyone know how to get the list of communities that are in line for that
> > $308 million?
>
> Some large aircarrier airports may be named directly because their
> Congressional representative(s) have the pull to get a large sum of
> money for a major project.
> General Aviation airports are handled through block grants to each
> respective state's aviation governing body. The state agencies then
> appropriate their share of the pie based on local politics and need.

[Don Tuite]

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:24:02 GMT, EDR > wrote:

>In article <xBJDb.561618$HS4.4257936@attbi_s01>, Jay Honeck
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know how to get the list of communities that are in line for that
>> $308 million?
>
>Some large aircarrier airports may be named directly because their
>Congressional representative(s) have the pull to get a large sum of
>money for a major project.
>General Aviation airports are handled through block grants to each
>respective state's aviation governing body. The state agencies then
>appropriate their share of the pie based on local politics and need.

No.

The airport manager has to apply for the grant money. Feds and state
have different accounts available for disbursal. I posted the link
to www.airportgrants.com because my buddy Colleen has a business
assisting airports with grant writing. If you talk to her or her
partner, ask if you can get a copy of the summary of available grants
and how to get them that they did for the state of Nevada. It's a
long report.

Don

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:xBJDb.561618$HS4.4257936@attbi_s01...
> > Just signed today: "The legislation provides $14 billion for airport
> > construction projects, including $140 million to help small communities
> > attract and retain air service, and $308 million to ensure air service
to
> > isolated communities"
>
> Anyone know how to get the list of communities that are in line for that
> $308 million?

They're going to use that money to relocate a million people to those towns
so there will be a market for sir service?

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:13:49 GMT, "Marc" >
wrote:

>Just signed today: "The legislation provides $14 billion for airport
>construction projects, including $140 million to help small communities
>attract and retain air service, and $308 million to ensure air service to
>isolated communities"

So what was the final word about privatizing ATC and contract towers?

[john smith]

Don Tuite wrote:

> >Some large aircarrier airports may be named directly because their
> >Congressional representative(s) have the pull to get a large sum of
> >money for a major project.
> >General Aviation airports are handled through block grants to each
> >respective state's aviation governing body. The state agencies then
> >appropriate their share of the pie based on local politics and need.

> No.
Yes, for AIP funds it is.
For part 150 studies, there are separate grants available. Part 150
studies are normally updated every five years, but some airports don't
spend the money unless they are going to apply for AIP funds, which
require the the noise and environmental impact studies to be completed
when an AIP application is made.

> The airport manager has to apply for the grant money. Feds and state
> have different accounts available for disbursal. I posted the link
> to www.airportgrants.com because my buddy Colleen has a business
> assisting airports with grant writing. If you talk to her or her
> partner, ask if you can get a copy of the summary of available grants
> and how to get them that they did for the state of Nevada. It's a
> long report.

We have a saying, "Anyone with a word processor can be an airport
consultant."
I have been on technical committees for four airports during the past 20
years. I know where the money comes from.

For GA airports, the feds will only provide 90% of the funding. The
local sponsor must come up with the remaining 10 %. In many states, the
state aviation agency provides 5% and the local sponsor provides 5%.
Very few local sponsors (ie- GA airports) have the financial means to
front the 10%.
If your local GA airport has money in the bank, you are an exception.
The biggest revenue source for aircarrier airports come from parking.
PFC's have added more money than landing and gate fees.

For air carrier airports, the feds only fund 75%, leaving the remaining
25% for local sponsor. These airports usually do not receive state
funding, but again, depending on local politics, something may find its
way into a state budget.

An airport consultant can complete the paperwork and hire other
consultants to perform the necessary studies, but they cannot directly
obtain AIP grants, and that is part of the money in the bill. I may be
wrong, but I think that is the type of funding Jay was asking about.
Money is scarce for GA airports. The majority of AIP funds available to
the states goes towards pavement replacement an overlays.

Examples:
New or replacement control towers are separate from AIP funds.
Soundproofing local homes is separate from AIP funds.
New runways and runway extensions come from AIP funds. Land acquistion
comes from AIP funds. Even new GA airports usually come from AIP funds.

[john smith]

Don Tuite wrote:

> >Some large aircarrier airports may be named directly because their
> >Congressional representative(s) have the pull to get a large sum of
> >money for a major project.
> >General Aviation airports are handled through block grants to each
> >respective state's aviation governing body. The state agencies then
> >appropriate their share of the pie based on local politics and need.

> No.
Yes, for AIP funds it is.
For part 150 studies, there are separate grants available. Part 150
studies are normally updated every five years, but some airports don't
spend the money unless they are going to apply for AIP funds, which
require the the noise and environmental impact studies to be completed
when an AIP application is made.

> The airport manager has to apply for the grant money. Feds and state
> have different accounts available for disbursal. I posted the link
> to www.airportgrants.com because my buddy Colleen has a business
> assisting airports with grant writing. If you talk to her or her
> partner, ask if you can get a copy of the summary of available grants
> and how to get them that they did for the state of Nevada. It's a
> long report.

We have a saying, "Anyone with a word processor can be an airport
consultant."
I have been on technical committees for four airports during the past 20
years. I know where the money comes from.

For GA airports, the feds will only provide 90% of the funding. The
local sponsor must come up with the remaining 10 %. In many states, the
state aviation agency provides 5% and the local sponsor provides 5%.
Very few local sponsors (ie- GA airports) have the financial means to
front the 10%.
If your local GA airport has money in the bank, you are an exception.
The biggest revenue source for aircarrier airports come from parking.
PFC's have added more money than landing and gate fees.

For air carrier airports, the feds only fund 75%, leaving the remaining
25% for local sponsor. These airports usually do not receive state
funding, but again, depending on local politics, something may find its
way into a state budget.

An airport consultant can complete the paperwork and hire other
consultants to perform the necessary studies, but they cannot directly
obtain AIP grants, and that is part of the money in the bill. I may be
wrong, but I think that is the type of funding Jay was asking about.
Money is scarce for GA airports. The majority of AIP funds available to
the states goes towards pavement replacement an overlays.

Examples:
New or replacement control towers are separate from AIP funds.
Soundproofing local homes is separate from AIP funds.
New runways and runway extensions come from AIP funds. Land acquistion
comes from AIP funds. Even new GA airports usually come from AIP funds.

[Chip Jones]

> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:13:49 GMT, "Marc" >
> wrote:
>
> >Just signed today: "The legislation provides $14 billion for airport
> >construction projects, including $140 million to help small communities
> >attract and retain air service, and $308 million to ensure air service to
> >isolated communities"
>
> So what was the final word about privatizing ATC and contract towers?

The Administrator wrote a letter to the Senate "promising" not to contract
out any ATC functions for the (rest of)the fiscal year. The Senate passed
the legislation as written, which was with all references to ATC
privatization removed. FAA declared victory, NATCA declared victory, the
Republicans declared victory, the Dem's declared victory, and the battle
enters a cease-fire until September '04. Meanwhile, union air traffic
controllers are emailing each other with plans to each personally send $100
US to the campaign of any man or woman, Republican or Democrat, liberal or
conservative, who runs against Mr. Mica (R-FL) next election...

Chip, ZTL

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:05:56 GMT, "Chip Jones"
> wrote:

> Meanwhile, union air traffic
>controllers are emailing each other with plans to each personally send $100
>US to the campaign of any man or woman, Republican or Democrat, liberal or
>conservative, who runs against Mr. Mica (R-FL) next election...

Those campaign contributions would likely have more effect if they
were sent to President baby Bush's brother Jeb (Governor of FL); he
seems to be the one capable of determining the outcome of elections in
his state. :-)