Re: Why is a picture ID opposed for voting? [Archive]

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

August 12th 12, 04:25 AM

On Aug 11, 7:53*pm, wrote:" One wonders if
you have ever been inside a polling place to say the really dumb
things you keep saying could happen."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/c41d2f5ad6c1faa9

iF if vote or not, really is not the point is it? As identity theft
effects voters and non voters, democrats and republicans, liberals and
conservatives a like. But to clarify earlier in this thread i stated
that the california ballot is usually quite a responsibility, in 2008
we had 12 propositions state wide, and many local measure to read/
study/debate. Dude your replies are getting rather comical, come on
back with a better reply, if you can.

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August 12th 12, 04:35 AM

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation > wrote:
> On Aug 11, 7:53Â*pm, wrote:" One wonders if
> you have ever been inside a polling place to say the really dumb
> things you keep saying could happen."
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/c41d2f5ad6c1faa9
>
> iF if vote or not, really is not the point is it? As identity theft
> effects voters and non voters, democrats and republicans, liberals and
> conservatives a like. But to clarify earlier in this thread i stated
> that the california ballot is usually quite a responsibility, in 2008
> we had 12 propositions state wide, and many local measure to read/
> study/debate. Dude your replies are getting rather comical, come on
> back with a better reply, if you can.

Yet another pile of rambling, puerile nonsense.

You have obviously never been in a polling place and are utterly clueless.

Orval Fairbairn

August 12th 12, 04:49 AM

In article
>,
columbiaaccidentinvestigation
> wrote:

> On Aug 11, 7:53*pm, wrote:" One wonders if
> you have ever been inside a polling place to say the really dumb
> things you keep saying could happen."
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/c41d2f5ad6c1faa9
>
> iF if vote or not, really is not the point is it? As identity theft
> effects voters and non voters, democrats and republicans, liberals and
> conservatives a like. But to clarify earlier in this thread i stated
> that the california ballot is usually quite a responsibility, in 2008
> we had 12 propositions state wide, and many local measure to read/
> study/debate. Dude your replies are getting rather comical, come on
> back with a better reply, if you can.

.... and YOURS are getting pathetic! Come back when you dry out.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

August 12th 12, 04:53 AM

On Aug 11, 8:49*pm, Orval Fairbairn >
wrote:"" snip
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/1d037969b011ee60

you mean you have nothing left thats logical or reasonable, just your
lame attempts at insults, which means my argument stands, and my point
is spot on.

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August 12th 12, 05:05 AM

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation > wrote:
> On Aug 11, 8:49Â*pm, Orval Fairbairn >
> wrote:"" snip
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/1d037969b011ee60
>
> you mean you have nothing left thats logical or reasonable, just your
> lame attempts at insults, which means my argument stands, and my point
> is spot on.

Your arguement is puerile, unrealistic rambling and your point is
difficult do find amidst all the rambling.

Are you on drugs or drunk?

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

August 12th 12, 05:36 AM

On Aug 11, 8:35*pm, wrote:""snip
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/241da8fad0457cc8

Mandating that a voter show a picture id (driver’s license being the
most common) reveals, name, date of birth, address, driver’s license #
(if card is used), at a place where the voters name and address are
found on a printed list. You are creating a focal point for personal
information, a potential situation for a person/group of people to
steal information, based on a mandate that all walk in voters share
personal information. That focal point is a place where close to 70%
of the total voting population will be revealing their personal
information in a 1-day window. The total popular vote for president
in 2008 was just under 130 million, the state of Missouri’s poll
worker instruction manual boasts about its 20,000 poll workers.
That’s quite an opportunity you are creating for lots of money to be
stolen (unintended consequences), based on the ideal of creating a
100% clean election. Absentee ballots are subject to tampering, so to
increase mail in ballots would not assure a clean election, which
means your so called solution is nothing more than a dodge, in an
effort to make walk in voting 100% clean, you just skipped over the
other option, which is not 100% clean. You did this by using with the
statement "Everything is subject to tampering and that is an entirely
separate issue.” which is an illogical fallacy, based on the fact you
are trying to clean up the election process. Such poor logic on your
part begs the question as to why you think the poll volunteer vetting
process is not subject to flaws/mistakes/misses/tampering. In fact
when pushed your only assurance that identity theft will not occur at
the polling place is that "anal little old ladies" are on duty, which
is pure idiocy on your part. Identity theft protection includes
shredding waste that contains important information so people who go
through a households *TRASH*, have a harder time stealing your
identity. The typical household waste contains food/dog/cat/toiletries
along with the personal information we are told to shred, this sits
and stews a week before it goes to the curb. With today’s cell phone
cameras, one only needs a press of a button to capture an image of the
voter roll (address and voters name), and a good memory for numbers
when inspecting the photo id, to gather such crucial personal
information. So if people are willing to go through a person’s week
old curbside trash just to get *one* persons personal information,
stealing numbers from a polling place to get a lot of peoples personal
information is not too far out of the realm.

Orval Fairbairn

August 12th 12, 02:27 PM

In article
>,
columbiaaccidentinvestigation
> wrote:

> On Aug 11, 8:35*pm, wrote:""snip
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/241da8fad0457cc8
>
> Mandating that a voter show a picture id (driver¹s license being the
> most common) reveals, name, date of birth, address, driver¹s license #
> (if card is used), at a place where the voters name and address are
> found on a printed list. You are creating a focal point for personal
> information, a potential situation for a person/group of people to
> steal information, based on a mandate that all walk in voters share
> personal information. That focal point is a place where close to 70%
> of the total voting population will be revealing their personal
> information in a 1-day window. The total popular vote for president
> in 2008 was just under 130 million, the state of Missouri¹s poll
> worker instruction manual boasts about its 20,000 poll workers.
> That¹s quite an opportunity you are creating for lots of money to be
> stolen (unintended consequences), based on the ideal of creating a
> 100% clean election. Absentee ballots are subject to tampering, so to
> increase mail in ballots would not assure a clean election, which
> means your so called solution is nothing more than a dodge, in an
> effort to make walk in voting 100% clean, you just skipped over the
> other option, which is not 100% clean. You did this by using with the
> statement "Everything is subject to tampering and that is an entirely
> separate issue.² which is an illogical fallacy, based on the fact you
> are trying to clean up the election process. Such poor logic on your
> part begs the question as to why you think the poll volunteer vetting
> process is not subject to flaws/mistakes/misses/tampering. In fact
> when pushed your only assurance that identity theft will not occur at
> the polling place is that "anal little old ladies" are on duty, which
> is pure idiocy on your part. Identity theft protection includes
> shredding waste that contains important information so people who go
> through a households *TRASH*, have a harder time stealing your
> identity. The typical household waste contains food/dog/cat/toiletries
> along with the personal information we are told to shred, this sits
> and stews a week before it goes to the curb. With today¹s cell phone
> cameras, one only needs a press of a button to capture an image of the
> voter roll (address and voters name), and a good memory for numbers
> when inspecting the photo id, to gather such crucial personal
> information. So if people are willing to go through a person¹s week
> old curbside trash just to get *one* persons personal information,
> stealing numbers from a polling place to get a lot of peoples personal
> information is not too far out of the realm.

If you are so paranoid that poll workers will steal your ID, then why go
there at all?

If, as you claim, they are crooks, what is to stop them from
substituting your ballot for one that is already marked? How do you know
that YOUR ballot didn't just go into the shredder?

My advice to those opposed to voter ID is: DON'T VOTE!

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August 12th 12, 06:10 PM

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation > wrote:
> On Aug 11, 8:35Â*pm, wrote:""snip
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/241da8fad0457cc8
>
> Mandating that a voter show a picture id (driverâ€™s license being the
> most common) reveals, name, date of birth, address, driverâ€™s license #
> (if card is used), at a place where the voters name and address are
> found on a printed list.

Yes, but you haven't the slightest clue how polling places work which
means you haven't a clue how puerile and unrealistic your whinning
about possible identity theft from this is.

<snip rambling nonsense>

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August 12th 12, 06:16 PM

In rec.aviation.piloting Orval Fairbairn > wrote:

> If, as you claim, they are crooks, what is to stop them from
> substituting your ballot for one that is already marked? How do you know
> that YOUR ballot didn't just go into the shredder?

When you come out of the voting both you hand you ballot to a worker who
tears off a tag, hands you the tag, and puts your ballot into a locked
box in front of you and there are no shredders or copiers in the room.

In addition, there are monitors in the room to ensure everyone is doing
what they are supposed to be doing.

This scenario is just as unrealistic as being able to copy voter information
in the polling place.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

August 12th 12, 06:37 PM

On Aug 12, 10:16*am, wrote:"" snip

false sense of security, you seem to be a bit confused or playing
stupid.

Orval Fairbairn

August 12th 12, 06:44 PM

In article >,
wrote:

> In rec.aviation.piloting Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>
> > If, as you claim, they are crooks, what is to stop them from
> > substituting your ballot for one that is already marked? How do you know
> > that YOUR ballot didn't just go into the shredder?
>
> When you come out of the voting both you hand you ballot to a worker who
> tears off a tag, hands you the tag, and puts your ballot into a locked
> box in front of you and there are no shredders or copiers in the room.
>
> In addition, there are monitors in the room to ensure everyone is doing
> what they are supposed to be doing.
>
> This scenario is just as unrealistic as being able to copy voter information
> in the polling place.

That was just more fuel for "Columbia..'s" paranoia. OTOH -- if he
really believes the crap he has been spewing, then he should stay away
from polling places.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

August 12th 12, 07:04 PM

On Aug 12, 10:44*am, Orval Fairbairn >
wrote:"That was just more fuel for ... paranoia if he really believes
the crap he has been spewing"

On Aug 7, 12:29 pm, Orval Fairbairn >
wrote:" It's an even bigger cost when the criminals corrupt the voting
process and elect their fellow criminals to loot the treasury."

the budget surplus of 2000 was spent thats a fact, are you claiming
all those who spent the money are criminals, or was that just you
demonstrating your need for an anti diarrhea medicine? So, tell me do
you really believe the bs you are spewing, or is your argument based
on some false sense of authority?

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August 12th 12, 07:10 PM

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation > wrote:
> On Aug 12, 10:16Â*am, wrote:"" snip
>
> false sense of security, you seem to be a bit confused or playing
> stupid.

You are suffering from puerile paranoia as you have no clue how polling
places work.

Posit a realistic scenario of how mass identity theft at a polling place
could possibly be accomplished.

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August 12th 12, 07:12 PM

In rec.aviation.piloting Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
> In article >,
> wrote:
>
>> In rec.aviation.piloting Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>>
>> > If, as you claim, they are crooks, what is to stop them from
>> > substituting your ballot for one that is already marked? How do you know
>> > that YOUR ballot didn't just go into the shredder?
>>
>> When you come out of the voting both you hand you ballot to a worker who
>> tears off a tag, hands you the tag, and puts your ballot into a locked
>> box in front of you and there are no shredders or copiers in the room.
>>
>> In addition, there are monitors in the room to ensure everyone is doing
>> what they are supposed to be doing.
>>
>> This scenario is just as unrealistic as being able to copy voter information
>> in the polling place.
>
> That was just more fuel for "Columbia..'s" paranoia. OTOH -- if he
> really believes the crap he has been spewing, then he should stay away
> from polling places.

He has obviously never been in a polling place and obviously hasn't a
clue how they work or he wouldn't be comming up with the silly scenarios
he is imaging.

I also doubt he is old enough to vote.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

August 12th 12, 07:44 PM

On Aug 12, 11:12*am, wrote:
> In rec.aviation.piloting Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article >,
> > wrote:
>
> >> In rec.aviation.piloting Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>
> >> > If, as you claim, they are crooks, what is to stop them from
> >> > substituting your ballot for one that is already marked? How do you know
> >> > that YOUR ballot didn't just go into the shredder?
>
> >> When you come out of the voting both you hand you ballot to a worker who
> >> tears off a tag, hands you the tag, and puts your ballot into a locked
> >> box in front of you and there are no shredders or copiers in the room.
>
> >> In addition, there are monitors in the room to ensure everyone is doing
> >> what they are supposed to be doing.
>
> >> This scenario is just as unrealistic as being able to copy voter information
> >> in the polling place.
>
> > That was just more fuel for "Columbia..'s" paranoia. OTOH -- if he
> > really believes the crap he has been spewing, then he should stay away
> > from polling places.
>
> He has obviously never been in a polling place and obviously hasn't a
> clue how they work or he wouldn't be comming up with the silly scenarios
> he is imaging.
>
> I also doubt he is old enough to vote.

laughing the kangaroo court?

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

August 12th 12, 09:01 PM

On Aug 12, 10:16*am, wrote:"In addition,
there are monitors in the room to ensure everyone is doing what they
are supposed to be doing. This scenario is just as unrealistic as
being able to copy voter information in the polling place."

Whats unrealistic is your false sense of security, ohio went to bush
in 2004.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/25/nation/na-ohio25
Ohio poll workers convicted
January 25, 2007|From the Associated Press
CLEVELAND — Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of rigging a
recount of the 2004 presidential election to avoid a more thorough
review in Ohio's most populous county.

Jacqueline Maiden, elections coordinator of the Cuyahoga County
Elections Board, and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer each were
convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct by an elections
employee. They also were convicted of one misdemeanor count each of
failure to perform their duty as elections employees."

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August 12th 12, 09:13 PM

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation > wrote:

> laughing the kangaroo court?

Nope, laughing at your puerile, delusional, rambling on topics of which
you have zero knowledge, like how polling places work.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

August 12th 12, 09:22 PM

On Aug 12, 1:13*pm, wrote:" you have zero
knowledge, like how polling places work."

"S.F. poll worker sentenced for stealing ballots" he was found the
next day at his home with "multipage ballots, the voter roster, a
memory card that recorded the votes cast, a voting machine access key
and a poll worker's cell phone, police said."

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/S-F-poll-worker-sentenced-for-stealing-ballots-2333835.php
"

S.F. poll worker sentenced for stealing ballots
He had with him multipage ballots, the voter roster, a memory card
that recorded the votes cast, a voting machine access key and a poll
worker's cell phone, police said.
Nicholas was arrested at his home in the Ingleside early the next
morning, and about 75 ballots were found in the lagoon two days after
election day.
He pleaded guilty in December to unlawfully carrying away or
destroying a poll list and ballots, in violation of the state
elections code"

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/25/nation/na-ohio25
Ohio poll workers convicted
January 25, 2007|From the Associated Press
CLEVELAND — Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of rigging a
recount of the 2004 presidential election to avoid a more thorough
review in Ohio's most populous county.
Jacqueline Maiden, elections coordinator of the Cuyahoga County
Elections Board, and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer each were
convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct by an elections
employee. They also were convicted of one misdemeanor count each of
failure to perform their duty as elections employees."

Orval Fairbairn

August 12th 12, 09:56 PM

In article
>,
columbiaaccidentinvestigation
> wrote:

> On Aug 12, 1:13*pm, wrote:" you have zero
> knowledge, like how polling places work."
>
>
> "S.F. poll worker sentenced for stealing ballots" he was found the
> next day at his home with "multipage ballots, the voter roster, a
> memory card that recorded the votes cast, a voting machine access key
> and a poll worker's cell phone, police said."
>
>
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/S-F-poll-worker-sentenced-for-stealing-bal
> lots-2333835.php
> "
>
> S.F. poll worker sentenced for stealing ballots
> He had with him multipage ballots, the voter roster, a memory card
> that recorded the votes cast, a voting machine access key and a poll
> worker's cell phone, police said.
> Nicholas was arrested at his home in the Ingleside early the next
> morning, and about 75 ballots were found in the lagoon two days after
> election day.
> He pleaded guilty in December to unlawfully carrying away or
> destroying a poll list and ballots, in violation of the state
> elections code"
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/25/nation/na-ohio25
> Ohio poll workers convicted
> January 25, 2007|From the Associated Press
> CLEVELAND ‹ Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of rigging a
> recount of the 2004 presidential election to avoid a more thorough
> review in Ohio's most populous county.
> Jacqueline Maiden, elections coordinator of the Cuyahoga County
> Elections Board, and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer each were
> convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct by an elections
> employee. They also were convicted of one misdemeanor count each of
> failure to perform their duty as elections employees."

Isn't it amazing that those were DEMOCRAT officials! I'm sure that they
were opposed to positive voter ID, too.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

August 12th 12, 10:28 PM

On Aug 12, 1:56*pm, Orval Fairbairn >
wrote:" Isn't it amazing that those were DEMOCRAT officials"

Non relevant reply noted, as my link establishes the fact the polling
place is not as secure as some would like to think. Now please cite
your non-relevant assertion if you want it to be taken seriously, as
the secretary of state from ohio between 1999-2007 was a republican J.
Kenneth Blackwell, appointment of county board elections officials
falls under his discretion.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/25/nation/na-ohio25
Ohio poll workers convicted
January 25, 2007|From the Associated Press
CLEVELAND — Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of rigging a
recount of the 2004 presidential election to avoid a more thorough
review in Ohio's most populous county.
Jacqueline Maiden, elections coordinator of the Cuyahoga County
Elections Board, and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer each were
convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct by an elections
employee. They also were convicted of one misdemeanor count each of
failure to perform their duty as elections employees."

[email protected]

August 12th 12, 10:53 PM

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation > wrote:
> On Aug 12, 1:13Â*pm, wrote:" you have zero
> knowledge, like how polling places work."

> "S.F. poll worker sentenced for stealing ballots" he was found the
> next day at his home with "multipage ballots, the voter roster, a
> memory card that recorded the votes cast, a voting machine access key
> and a poll worker's cell phone, police said."

Good lord, you are a scatter brained idiot.

Neither of your stories has anything to do with identity theft, one story
has nothing to do with polling places, and the remaining story illustrates
just how hard it is to get away with any funny business in a polling place.

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August 12th 12, 10:56 PM

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation > wrote:
> On Aug 12, 1:56Â*pm, Orval Fairbairn >
> wrote:" Isn't it amazing that those were DEMOCRAT officials"
>
> Non relevant reply noted, as my link establishes the fact the polling
> place is not as secure as some would like to think. Now please cite
> your non-relevant assertion if you want it to be taken seriously, as
> the secretary of state from ohio between 1999-2007 was a republican J.
> Kenneth Blackwell, appointment of county board elections officials
> falls under his discretion.
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/25/nation/na-ohio25
> Ohio poll workers convicted
> January 25, 2007|From the Associated Press
> CLEVELAND â€” Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of rigging a
> recount of the 2004 presidential election to avoid a more thorough
> review in Ohio's most populous county.
> Jacqueline Maiden, elections coordinator of the Cuyahoga County
> Elections Board, and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer each were
> convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct by an elections
> employee. They also were convicted of one misdemeanor count each of
> failure to perform their duty as elections employees."

This has nothing to do with identity theft and nothing to do with polling
places.

The crimes occured days after the election was over.

You are a scatter brained idiot.

[email protected]

August 12th 12, 10:58 PM

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation > wrote:
> On Aug 12, 10:16Â*am, wrote:"In addition,
> there are monitors in the room to ensure everyone is doing what they
> are supposed to be doing. This scenario is just as unrealistic as
> being able to copy voter information in the polling place."
>
> Whats unrealistic is your false sense of security, ohio went to bush
> in 2004.
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/25/nation/na-ohio25

How many times do you have to be told that this has nothing to do with
identity theft and nothing to do with polling places?

This crime occured days after the election and had to do with cherry
picking votes in an attempt to influence a recount.

You are a scatter brained idiot.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

August 12th 12, 11:02 PM

On Aug 12, 2:58*pm, wrote:How many times do
you have to be told that this has nothing to do with identity theft
and nothing to do with polling places?"

your fallacies are not my follies, you say that bs above all you want,
but the only one you are fooling is yourself.

Mandating that a voter show a picture id (driver’s license being the
most common) reveals, name, date of birth, address, driver’s license #
(if card is used), at a place where the voters name and address are
found on a printed list. You are creating a focal point for personal
information, a potential situation for a person/group of people to
stealn formation, based on a mandate that all walk in voters share
personal information. That focal point is a place where close to 70%
of the total voting population will be revealing their personal
information in a 1-day window. The total popular vote for president
in 2008 was just under 130 million, the state of Missouri’s poll
worker instruction manual boasts about its 20,000 poll workers. That’s
quite an opportunity you are creating for lots of money to be stolen
(unintended consequences), based on the ideal of creating a 100% clean
election. Absentee ballots are subject to tampering, so to increase
mail in ballots would not assure a clean election, which means your so
called solution is nothing more than a dodge, in an effort to make
walk in voting 100% clean, you just skipped over the other option,
which is not 100% clean. You did this by using with the statement.
Everything is subject to tampering and that is an entirely separate
issue.” which is an illogical fallacy, based on the fact you are
trying to clean up the election process. Such poor logic on your
part begs the question as to why you think the poll volunteer vetting
process is not subject to flaws/mistakes/misses/tampering. In fact
when pushed your only assurance that identity theft will not occur at
the polling place is that "anal little old ladies" are on duty, which
is pure idiocy on your part. Identity theft protection includes
shredding waste that contains important information so people who go
through a households *TRASH*, have a harder time stealing your
identity. The typical household waste contains food/dog/cat/toiletries
along with the personal information we are told to shred, this sits
and stews a week before it goes to the curb. With today’s cell phone
cameras, one only needs a press of a button to capture an image of the
voter roll (address and voters name), and a good memory for numbers
when inspecting the photo id, to gather such crucial personal
information. So if people are willing to go through a person’s week

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August 13th 12, 12:12 AM

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation > wrote:
> On Aug 12, 2:58Â*pm, wrote:How many times do
> you have to be told that this has nothing to do with identity theft
> and nothing to do with polling places?"
>
> your fallacies are not my follies, you say that bs above all you want,
> but the only one you are fooling is yourself.

Babbling gibberish.

> Mandating that a voter show a picture id (driverâ€™s license being the
> most common) reveals, name, date of birth, address, driverâ€™s license #
> (if card is used), at a place where the voters name and address are
> found on a printed list.

Yep, we have agreed to that so why do you keep repeating it like a
babbling idiot?

However, there is no realistic way that mass identity theft can occur
at a polling place, all your links show how difficult it is to perform
any sort of mischief related to voting, and you have no realistic
scenario of how such identity theft could possibly occur.

You just keep arm waving and posting links with nothing to do with
identity theft.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

August 15th 12, 01:59 PM

On Aug 12, 1:56*pm, Orval Fairbairn >
wrote:" Isn't it amazing that those were DEMOCRAT officials! I'm sure
that they were opposed to positive voter ID, too."

still waiting for the proof of who was a democrat. Im curious, did
you make a knee jerk assumption as to what part the criminals came
from?

Orval Fairbairn

August 15th 12, 04:51 PM

In article
>,
columbiaaccidentinvestigation
> wrote:

> On Aug 12, 1:56*pm, Orval Fairbairn >
> wrote:" Isn't it amazing that those were DEMOCRAT officials! I'm sure
> that they were opposed to positive voter ID, too."
>
>
>
> still waiting for the proof of who was a democrat. Im curious, did
> you make a knee jerk assumption as to what part the criminals came
> from?

As a 19th Century politician remarked: "I don't say that all Democrats
are horse thieves, but I DO say that all horse thieves are Democrat!"

Those areas which you cited are Democrat-controlled, so the officials
HAD to be Democrats.

BTW -- I id poll watcher duty yesterday here in FL, where we practice
voter ID. The voter walks up to the official, who slides the driver's
license through a scanner, which is tied to the Registrar and verifies
ID, after the official checks the photo. The voter then signs an
electronic signature (similar to the CC setup in supermarkets). The
official then hands a ballot to the person, who then votes.

Amazingly, the signature looks like your real signature, unlike the
supermarket scanners.

The process works very smoothly and more efficiently than the old paper
lists.

If somebody had receives an absentee ballot, the clerk called the
Registrar to cancel the voter's absentee and allowed the voter to vote.

Only one fool grumped about ID theft.

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

August 15th 12, 05:43 PM

On Aug 15, 8:51*am, Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *columbiaaccidentinvestigation
>
> > wrote:
> > On Aug 12, 1:56 pm, Orval Fairbairn >
> > wrote:" Isn't it amazing that those were DEMOCRAT officials! I'm sure
> > that they *were opposed to positive voter ID, too."
>
> > still waiting for the proof of who was a democrat. *Im curious, did
> > you make a knee jerk assumption as to what part the criminals came
> > from?
>
> As a 19th Century politician remarked: "I don't say that all Democrats
> are horse thieves, but I DO say that all horse thieves are Democrat!"
>
> Those areas which you cited are Democrat-controlled, so the officials
> HAD to be Democrats.

False assumption, in fact the secretary of state who approved a county
official that spoke in favor of the accused is now running a
conservative superpac. No proof on your part noted.

> BTW -- I id poll watcher duty yesterday here in FL, where we practice
> voter ID. The voter walks up to the official, who slides the driver's
> license through a scanner, which is tied to the Registrar and verifies
> ID, after the official checks the photo. The voter then signs an
> electronic signature (similar to the CC setup in supermarkets). The
> official then hands a ballot to the person, who then votes.

Good job, so are you able to keep your idiotic assertions away from
the polling place, as you seem to think you can act any way you want
here? Are you claiming no id theft can occur when a person takes your
card for scanning?

> Amazingly, the signature looks like your real signature, unlike the
> supermarket scanners.
>
> The process works very smoothly and more efficiently than the old paper
> lists.
>
> If somebody had receives an absentee ballot, the clerk called the
> Registrar to cancel the voter's absentee and allowed the voter to vote.
>
> Only one fool grumped about ID theft.

Orval Fairbairn

August 16th 12, 01:57 AM

In article
>,
columbiaaccidentinvestigation
> wet his bed and whined:

> On Aug 15, 8:51*am, Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *columbiaaccidentinvestigation
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > On Aug 12, 1:56 pm, Orval Fairbairn >
> > > wrote:" Isn't it amazing that those were DEMOCRAT officials! I'm sure
> > > that they *were opposed to positive voter ID, too."
> >
> > > still waiting for the proof of who was a democrat. *Im curious, did
> > > you make a knee jerk assumption as to what part the criminals came
> > > from?
> >
> > As a 19th Century politician remarked: "I don't say that all Democrats
> > are horse thieves, but I DO say that all horse thieves are Democrat!"
> >
> > Those areas which you cited are Democrat-controlled, so the officials
> > HAD to be Democrats.
>
> False assumption, in fact the secretary of state who approved a county
> official that spoke in favor of the accused is now running a
> conservative superpac. No proof on your part noted.
>
> > BTW -- I id poll watcher duty yesterday here in FL, where we practice
> > voter ID. The voter walks up to the official, who slides the driver's
> > license through a scanner, which is tied to the Registrar and verifies
> > ID, after the official checks the photo. The voter then signs an
> > electronic signature (similar to the CC setup in supermarkets). The
> > official then hands a ballot to the person, who then votes.
>
> Good job, so are you able to keep your idiotic assertions away from
> the polling place, as you seem to think you can act any way you want
> here? Are you claiming no id theft can occur when a person takes your
> card for scanning?

For the paranoid, nothing is 100% assured anywhere you go. How do you
know that the restaurant waiter won't swipe your card and steal your
identity.

If you don't trust your elections officials, then you should stay away
from the polls.

>
> > Amazingly, the signature looks like your real signature, unlike the
> > supermarket scanners.
> >
> > The process works very smoothly and more efficiently than the old paper
> > lists.
> >
> > If somebody had receives an absentee ballot, the clerk called the
> > Registrar to cancel the voter's absentee and allowed the voter to vote.
> >
> > Only one fool grumped about ID theft.

.... and another fool just weighed in!

columbiaaccidentinvestigation

August 16th 12, 07:50 PM

On Aug 12, 11:04*am, columbiaaccidentinvestigation
> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 10:44*am, Orval Fairbairn >
> wrote:"That was just more fuel for ... paranoia if he really believes
> the crap he has been spewing"
>
> On Aug 7, 12:29 pm, Orval Fairbairn >
> wrote:" It's an even bigger cost when the criminals corrupt the voting
> process and elect their fellow criminals to loot the treasury."
>
> the budget surplus of 2000 was spent thats a fact, are you claiming
> all those who spent the money are criminals, or was that just you
> demonstrating your need for an anti diarrhea medicine? So, tell me do
> you really believe the bs you are spewing, or is your argument based
> on some false sense of authority?

no answer on how to correlate which party spent the budget surplus of
2000, and who you say "looted the treasury"? Typical, bs from a troll
who cannot back up what you say.