ASW27 VS Ventus 2bx

[Gabriel Duford]

Hi,
I am interested in a comparison between the ASW27 and the Ventus 2bx. Performance wise, I guess they are pretty much the same overall. Some would tell me that if I need to ask, it is because I would not feel the difference ;)
I currently fly an ASW20. I have some experience on the ASW27, on some good XC flights.
I am interested in everything that you can come up with, like:
- Handling;
- Weak VS strong weather performance (it is pretty weak where I fly, in Southern Quebec/Canada);
- Maintenance;
- Ease of watering up;
- Cockpit comfort (I'm 5'6",155 lbs);
- Ease of rigging/derigging (I learned that a good trailer and ease of rigging is half the fun of flying);
- Etc.

Thanks for sharing you experience,

gabriel

[Tim Taylor]

On Aug 21, 4:37*pm, Gabriel Duford > wrote:
> Hi,
> I am interested in a comparison between the ASW27 and the Ventus 2bx. Performance wise, I guess they are pretty much the same overall. Some would tell me that if I need to ask, it is because I would not feel the difference ;)
> I currently fly an ASW20. I have some experience on the ASW27, on some good XC flights.
> I am interested in everything that you can come up with, like:
> - Handling;
> - Weak VS strong weather performance (it is pretty weak where I fly, in Southern Quebec/Canada);
> - Maintenance;
> - Ease of watering up;
> - Cockpit comfort (I'm 5'6",155 lbs);
> - Ease of rigging/derigging (I learned that a good trailer and ease of rigging is half the fun of flying);
> - Etc.
>
> Thanks for sharing you experience,


- Handling

Similar but different, think Porsche to BMW
The 27 is slightly more stable, the V2 slightly less. It is personal
preference if you like the sight difference. Both are very good with
no bad habits.

- Weak VS strong weather performance
The general feeling is the V2b slightly better in weak conditions and
the 27 in strong. This is mostly due to wing area and wingloading.
The V2a is good at both ends but that is a different glider. Overall
differences are so small that most people will never see a
difference.


- Maintenance

Similar quality of build and systems. The spar bump is the only known
issue with either.

- Ease of watering up

The V2 is slightly easier just because it required less equipment.


- Cockpit comfort

Again similar but different. Best to sit or fly both if possible.
The V2 tends to have the torso slightly more upright. For some the
side versus forward hinged canopy is a big issue. Slightly easier to
get in/out of the 27 with the canopy up.

- Ease of rigging
Almost the same and both are a dream compared to the 20. Light wings
and auto hook-ups. The V2 is a finesse glider but once you learn it it
is easy.

- Other

The 27 has better visibility to the rear. My opinion is that the 27 is
slightly more likely to break the tail boom on a ground loop and
slightly more likely to ground loop because of lighter tail weight.
That is an empirical observation and I don't have good data on it
yet.

Can't go wrong with either, both are outstanding. Don't believe the
published data on either and from flight experience I can't see a
difference in flight. A good Cobra trailer or similar should come
with either, rigging should be five minutes or less.

Tim

[Gabriel Duford]

Thanks a lot Tim, that is exactly the info I was hoping for.
So, the V2x also has the spar bump issue? I thought SH gliders didn't suffer from that problem.

gabriel

[Tim Taylor]

On Aug 21, 8:25*pm, Gabriel Duford > wrote:
> Thanks a lot Tim, that is exactly the info I was hoping for.
> So, the V2x also has the spar bump issue? I thought SH gliders didn't suffer from that problem.
>
> gabriel

Sorry for the confusion, only the 27 has the spar bump issue.

[Ventus_a]

Hi,
I am interested in a comparison between the ASW27 and the Ventus 2bx. Performance wise, I guess they are pretty much the same overall. Some would tell me that if I need to ask, it is because I would not feel the difference ;)
I currently fly an ASW20. I have some experience on the ASW27, on some good XC flights.
I am interested in everything that you can come up with, like:
- Handling;
- Weak VS strong weather performance (it is pretty weak where I fly, in Southern Quebec/Canada);
- Maintenance;
- Ease of watering up;
- Cockpit comfort (I'm 5'6",155 lbs);
- Ease of rigging/derigging (I learned that a good trailer and ease of rigging is half the fun of flying);
- Etc.

Thanks for sharing you experience,

gabriel

Have flown the 27 and own a Ventus a, would like to try the Ventus 2 and have crewed both the 27 and V2.

The only thing I found with the 27 was that it's quite a climb out of the cockpit but that is as much to do with my weight and not ideal upper body strength. Otherwise Tim pretty much sums it up from everything I've heard and experienced, and the only thing I can really add is anecdotal

John Coutts, 2003 15m World Champion flying an ASW 27b, said to me. . .nothing much in it but if you have very weak conditions the Ventus with it's larger wing area will climb a little better than the 27. John himself is no light weight so he's probably speaking from experience :-)

Given your size the Ventus 2a/2ax could also be an option

FWIW
Colin

[Mike Oliver]

Gabriel

I have 100+ hours in the 27b and also in various ventus' (But not the2bx).
I assume you are talking about 15metres for the ventus.

Performace wise I think there is little difference between them but I would
choose the 27 over the ventus every time especially for cockpit comfort.

The only negative for the 27 is the tail water system and that is only a
slight negative.

Mike







At 22:37 21 August 2012, Gabriel Duford wrote:
>Hi,
>I am interested in a comparison between the ASW27 and the Ventus 2bx.
>Performance wise, I guess they are pretty much the same overall. Some
would
>tell me that if I need to ask, it is because I would not feel the
>difference ;)
>I currently fly an ASW20. I have some experience on the ASW27, on some
good
>XC flights.
>I am interested in everything that you can come up with, like:
>- Handling;
>- Weak VS strong weather performance (it is pretty weak where I fly, in
>Southern Quebec/Canada);
>- Maintenance;
>- Ease of watering up;
>- Cockpit comfort (I'm 5'6",155 lbs);
>- Ease of rigging/derigging (I learned that a good trailer and ease of
>rigging is half the fun of flying);
>- Etc.
>
>Thanks for sharing you experience,
>
>gabriel
>

[John Dezzutti[_3_]]

From personal experience I will add something no one else has mentioned and
that is the award winning design of the cockpit on the 27. The progressive
shock absorbing safety cockpit is probably the reason I am still here and
still able to enjoy flying!

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On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:32:13 PM UTC-7, John Dezzutti wrote:
> From personal experience I will add something no one else has mentioned and
>
> that is the award winning design of the cockpit on the 27. The progressive
>
> shock absorbing safety cockpit is probably the reason I am still here and
>
> still able to enjoy flying!


Crash-worthiness mattered for me in making a selection as did the ergonomics of the front-hinged canopy and the fact that I found the Ventus instrument panel situated much further forward making it hard to reach the instruments without loosening my shoulder harness. Lastly the wheel brake mechanism on the -27 was more robust. I'm not sure if the latest designs are better, but if you see a glider with an inop wheel brake at the airport odds are better than even that it's a Schemp.

Mostly a bunch of personal preference items - best to sit in both cockpits to see which fits you best.

9B