How long before the card comes?

[Nasir]

I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the plastic
license yet. Any idea how long it takes?

BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
sending the form in. Is that the norm?

thanks.

[Harry Gordon]

It can take between 2-4 months to get the card. It took about 2 months for
mine as best I recall. Here is a FAA web site that tells you what DOI dates
the FAA is working. http://registry.faa.gov/airmen.asp

As far as the DE sending in the information, I believe that is normal. At
least mine did so. In fact, he hooked up his computer to a phone line and
sent it via the web right after entering the necessary information and
printing out my temporary certificate.

Harry
PP-ASEL

"Nasir" > wrote in message
...
> I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the plastic
> license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
>
> BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
> sending the form in. Is that the norm?
>
> thanks.
>
>

[Joe Allbritten]

"Nasir" > wrote in message >...
> I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the plastic
> license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
>
> BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
> sending the form in. Is that the norm?
>
> thanks.

It should only take about 8 weeks. With the Holidays, maybe 1 week
more. If you don't get it in another week, call your examiner. She
can start back tracking to see if it was lost. If it is lost, she can
help regenerate the paperwork. ( no retest!!!)

Joe A.

[BTIZ]

yes... the DE sends in the paper work..

90-120 days I believe.. and as you approach the 120 day mark.. call the
local FSDO for an extension... but I have not heard any reports of someone
not getting the "card" in time.

BT

"Nasir" > wrote in message
...
> I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the plastic
> license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
>
> BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
> sending the form in. Is that the norm?
>
> thanks.
>
>

[Z Sten]

Nasir wrote:
> I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the plastic
> license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
>
> BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
> sending the form in. Is that the norm?
>
> thanks.
>
>
I passed my checkride on October 28 of this year and received my "real"
ticket on November 26, exactly four weeks and a day after passing. I
guess I just live right.

[Skyking]

"Nasir" > wrote in message >...
> I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the plastic
> license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
>
> BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
> sending the form in. Is that the norm?
>
> thanks.

Your "temp" is good for 120 days and it ususlly takes about 10 weeks or
more. You can go to the FAA Airman Registry website and see what date they
are working on. Also this is Holiday Season and the mail could be slow.
If you don't get it in 90 days, check with airman records, it could
be lost.

Good luck,

Skyking

[Skyking]

(Skyking) wrote in message >...
> "Nasir" > wrote in message >...
> > I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the plastic
> > license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
> >
> > BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
> > sending the form in. Is that the norm?
> >
> > thanks.
>
> Your "temp" is good for 120 days and it ususlly takes about 10 weeks or
> more. You can go to the FAA Airman Registry website

Yeah, it looks like they are working on certificates dated 10 weeks back.
Here is the website: http://registry.faa.gov/airmen.asp

Good luck,

Skyking

[James M. Knox]

"Harry Gordon" > wrote in
:

> It can take between 2-4 months to get the card. It took about 2 months
> for mine as best I recall. Here is a FAA web site that tells you what
> DOI dates the FAA is working. http://registry.faa.gov/airmen.asp

It can get a bit messier. Mine didn't arrive, and the temporary was
about to run out. [Didn't know the FAA web site had a "currently
serving" page.] So I looked on there for a phone number to call. Nope,
nor a link for "if we haven't sent yours." Just for "if you lost the
one we sent you."

Called AOPA. They said it is actually taking between 4 and 6 months for
some of them to process. I got the phone number to call at OKC. Called
OKC. Finally got through to someone who now says that they have no
record of me passing the checkride. She gave me the number of the FSDO
(actually, a long list because she didn't know which one was in charge)
who said they couldn't send me an extension on the temporary (because
they had nothing from OKC to show that they were processing the
permanent.

Called the DE who gave me the checkride. He claims he sent it to the
FAA, but now can find no copy of any of his paperwork for me. [Yes, he
DOES say he sort of remembers me passing! <G>] So now what I am being
told is that I can try to reconstitue the paperwork, including the
application, find a CFI to sign it, and basically treat it like I was
just now taking the checkride.

Sigh...

-----------------------------------------------
James M. Knox
TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
Austin, Tx 78721
-----------------------------------------------

[Andrew Gideon]

James M. Knox wrote:

> Called AOPA. They said it is actually taking between 4 and 6 months for
> some of them to process. I got the phone number to call at OKC. Called
> OKC. Finally got through to someone who now says that they have no
> record of me passing the checkride. She gave me the number of the FSDO
> (actually, a long list because she didn't know which one was in charge)
> who said they couldn't send me an extension on the temporary (because
> they had nothing from OKC to show that they were processing the
> permanent.
>
> Called the DE who gave me the checkride. He claims he sent it to the
> FAA, but now can find no copy of any of his paperwork for me. [Yes, he
> DOES say he sort of remembers me passing! <G>] So now what I am being
> told is that I can try to reconstitue the paperwork, including the
> application, find a CFI to sign it, and basically treat it like I was
> just now taking the checkride.

I'd something a little different occur for my PPL checkride. The DE had
made a mistake on the form (his own certificate's expiration date, I
believe). So there was an added delay.

The DE sent something to the Teterboro FSDO, and they issued a second
temporary certificate. Aside from the drive to TEB, which was fun anyway
as I'd never been there at that point, it was no big deal.

What I cannot recall is how I knew about all this. I *think* I called OKC
when the countdown on my temporary was getting short, and that they told me
what to do.

- Andrew

[Ron Natalie]

"Skyking" > wrote in message m...

> > Your "temp" is good for 120 days and it ususlly takes about 10 weeks or
> > more. You can go to the FAA Airman Registry website
>
> Yeah, it looks like they are working on certificates dated 10 weeks back.
> Here is the website: http://registry.faa.gov/airmen.asp

Your DE or the local FSDO can give you a new temporary. Mine was within
a few days of expiring and the FSDO just gave me a new (temporary) one.
At the time it evidently was quite a common request. My permanent one did
actually show up before the original 120 days were up, but just barely.

[H.J.]

With a name like 'Nasir', I'd expect a little longer delay.


"Nasir" > wrote in message
...
> I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the plastic
> license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
>
> BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
> sending the form in. Is that the norm?
>
> thanks.
>
>

[Milo]

"Nasir" > wrote in message >...
> I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the plastic
> license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
>
> BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
> sending the form in. Is that the norm?
>
> thanks.

Plastic? Just the new ones right?

[Malcolm Teas]

"Nasir" > wrote in message >...
> I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the plastic
> license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
>
> BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
> sending the form in. Is that the norm?

Nasir, I got my card almost 3 months to the day after my checkride.
My D.E. sent in the form, and my temp was a 120 day certificate. I
did notice that I was listed on the FAA pilot database information
page about two weeks before I got the card.

My card arrived a week and a half ago now. I've been told by local
examiners that the FAA's running about 90 days behind. I'm not sure
if different regions would have different delays though.

-Malcolm Teas

[Nasir]

"H.J." > wrote in message
...
> With a name like 'Nasir', I'd expect a little longer delay.

The thought has crossed my mind.

Nasir

[Nasir]

> > BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
> > sending the form in. Is that the norm?
>
> Nasir, I got my card almost 3 months to the day after my checkride.
> My D.E. sent in the form, and my temp was a 120 day certificate. I
> did notice that I was listed on the FAA pilot database information
> page about two weeks before I got the card.

I checked their website as someone else pointed out, and I searched for
myself. My Student Pilot certificate shows up (basically my medical) on
their site but nothing about the PPL. I guess 2 months is not unusual and
its probably gonna take another month or so.

thanks for the reply!

Nasir

[Skyking]

(Milo) wrote in message >...
> "Nasir" > wrote in message >...
> > I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the plastic
> > license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
> >
> > BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
> > sending the form in. Is that the norm?
> >
> > thanks.
>
> Plastic? Just the new ones right?

If you want a Plastic new one, just send two bucks with a letter
saying that you lost the old one.

Happy New Year,

Skyking

[James M. Knox]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in
m:

> Your DE or the local FSDO can give you a new temporary. Mine was
> within a few days of expiring and the FSDO just gave me a new
> (temporary) one. At the time it evidently was quite a common request.
> My permanent one did actually show up before the original 120 days
> were up, but just barely.

Wasn't that simple in my case. They won't send out a temporary certificate
just on the basis of my say-so on the telephone. Remember, neither the
FSDO nor OKC has any record of me taking the checkride! Nor, it now turns
out, does my DE. [At least he remembers it.]

-----------------------------------------------
James M. Knox
TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
Austin, Tx 78721
-----------------------------------------------

[Ron Natalie]

"James M. Knox" > wrote in message ...
> "Ron Natalie" > wrote in
> m:
>
> > Your DE or the local FSDO can give you a new temporary. Mine was
> > within a few days of expiring and the FSDO just gave me a new
> > (temporary) one. At the time it evidently was quite a common request.
> > My permanent one did actually show up before the original 120 days
> > were up, but just barely.
>
> Wasn't that simple in my case. They won't send out a temporary certificate
> just on the basis of my say-so on the telephone. Remember, neither the
> FSDO nor OKC has any record of me taking the checkride! Nor, it now turns
> out, does my DE. [At least he remembers it.]
>
Not on the phone. I walked into the FSDO with my temporary certificate and
they extended it for me.

[MRQB]

Your log book should have your check ride date and examiners signature



"James M. Knox" > wrote in message
...
> "Ron Natalie" > wrote in
> m:
>
> > Your DE or the local FSDO can give you a new temporary. Mine was
> > within a few days of expiring and the FSDO just gave me a new
> > (temporary) one. At the time it evidently was quite a common request.
> > My permanent one did actually show up before the original 120 days
> > were up, but just barely.
>
> Wasn't that simple in my case. They won't send out a temporary
certificate
> just on the basis of my say-so on the telephone. Remember, neither the
> FSDO nor OKC has any record of me taking the checkride! Nor, it now turns
> out, does my DE. [At least he remembers it.]
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> James M. Knox
> TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
> 1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
> Austin, Tx 78721
> -----------------------------------------------

[Skyking]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message >...
> "James M. Knox" > wrote in message ...
> > "Ron Natalie" > wrote in
> > m:
> >
> > > Your DE or the local FSDO can give you a new temporary. Mine was
> > > within a few days of expiring and the FSDO just gave me a new
> > > (temporary) one. At the time it evidently was quite a common request.
> > > My permanent one did actually show up before the original 120 days
> > > were up, but just barely.
> >
> > Wasn't that simple in my case. They won't send out a temporary certificate
> > just on the basis of my say-so on the telephone. Remember, neither the
> > FSDO nor OKC has any record of me taking the checkride! Nor, it now turns
> > out, does my DE. [At least he remembers it.]
> >
> Not on the phone. I walked into the FSDO with my temporary certificate and
> they extended it for me.


Just so people don't get disappointed, you don't just "walk in" a FSDO
anymore since "9-11". You must call and get an appointment. Granted, there
are some that may let you in but not all of them.

HAPPY NEW YEAR,

Skyking

[James M. Knox]

"MRQB" > wrote in
:

> Your log book should have your check ride date and examiners signature

It does. And I still have the original (well, the copy they give to the
applicant) temporary certificate. But it's not that the FAA doesn't
believe me (well, actually, they don't - or at least they don't care).
They require a full data package, including application for certificate,
original (from the DE) of the temporary, original of the knowledge test,
etc.

None of that exists anymore, of course.

Current plan is for me to reconstitute the 8710 form for back when I
took the checkride, try to get a new "original" of the knowledge test
certificate (which has expired), and the other paperwork. Take that to
my my CFI and get him to sign another copy. Then fly over to east Texas
(about 250 nm each way) to get the DE to sign everything. Then if I am
lucky we can mail it all back to OKC.

No, I'm not worried about it all --- YET! But a friend assures me they
know someone this happened to, and she had to take her checkride over
again.

Guess I'll wait a few days before I start practicing those Chandelles
again. Sigh...

BTW, re: the FSDO suggestion. Turns out my local (75 miles away) FSDO
isn't involved. It's the one 200 miles away that is involved. And they
aren't even taking requests for scheduling visits (no walk-ins, period)
until the alert level goes back down.

-----------------------------------------------
James M. Knox
TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
Austin, Tx 78721
-----------------------------------------------

[BTIZ]

you mean the DE did not give you a copy of all the paperwork?

And you did not keep a pencil copy of the 8710 you filed out?

That DE should give you your money back..

BT

"James M. Knox" > wrote in message
...
> "MRQB" > wrote in
> :
>
> > Your log book should have your check ride date and examiners signature
>
> It does. And I still have the original (well, the copy they give to the
> applicant) temporary certificate. But it's not that the FAA doesn't
> believe me (well, actually, they don't - or at least they don't care).
> They require a full data package, including application for certificate,
> original (from the DE) of the temporary, original of the knowledge test,
> etc.
>
> None of that exists anymore, of course.
>
> Current plan is for me to reconstitute the 8710 form for back when I
> took the checkride, try to get a new "original" of the knowledge test
> certificate (which has expired), and the other paperwork. Take that to
> my my CFI and get him to sign another copy. Then fly over to east Texas
> (about 250 nm each way) to get the DE to sign everything. Then if I am
> lucky we can mail it all back to OKC.
>
> No, I'm not worried about it all --- YET! But a friend assures me they
> know someone this happened to, and she had to take her checkride over
> again.
>
> Guess I'll wait a few days before I start practicing those Chandelles
> again. Sigh...
>
> BTW, re: the FSDO suggestion. Turns out my local (75 miles away) FSDO
> isn't involved. It's the one 200 miles away that is involved. And they
> aren't even taking requests for scheduling visits (no walk-ins, period)
> until the alert level goes back down.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> James M. Knox
> TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
> 1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
> Austin, Tx 78721
> -----------------------------------------------

[Ron Natalie]

"Skyking" > wrote in message om...
> Just so people don't get disappointed, you don't just "walk in" a FSDO
> anymore since "9-11". You must call and get an appointment. Granted, there
> are some that may let you in but not all of them.

Actually, the Washington FSDO (at Dulles) despite the "official pronouncement"
that you need an appointment, will meet you in the lobby of their office for simple
things even without an appointment. I had to go there and get a new certificate
when getting rectal-probed to fly into my home airport because my hair color was
listed differently on my medical than on my pilot certificate. To their credit, the
FSDO reissued a corrected certificate with a minimal amount of hassle.

[Ron Natalie]

"BTIZ" > wrote in message news:xiYIb.45016$m83.27338@fed1read01...
> you mean the DE did not give you a copy of all the paperwork?
>
Nobody checked anything on my renewal, they just took my slip and
gave me another temporary.

[Dave]

according to here they are only processing upto October 25th

http://registry.faa.gov/airmen.asp

Dave

[James M. Knox]

"BTIZ" > wrote in news:xiYIb.45016$m83.27338
@fed1read01:

> you mean the DE did not give you a copy of all the paperwork?

I don't think he has a copier. His aviation business is at a small field,
where he is the one-man flight school, repair, etc. But it shouldn't
really have mattered. He *did* (of course) give me my copy of the
temporary certificate. I have no idea what other information (other than
the 8710 and knowledge test certificate) he sends to the FAA.

> And you did not keep a pencil copy of the 8710 you filed out?

Actually, at the time I had several copies. But.... well, a few weeks
after the checkride I tossed the old copies (after all, I *had* the signed
temporary certificate, and was just waiting for the permanent one to
arrive... DUMB DUMB DUMB).

> That DE should give you your money back..

Heck, I'm just hoping he doesn't make me take the checkride over again! <G>

-----------------------------------------------
James M. Knox
TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
Austin, Tx 78721
-----------------------------------------------

[Skyking]

"Dave" > wrote in message >...
> according to here they are only processing upto October 25th
>
> http://registry.faa.gov/airmen.asp
>
> Dave

Yes, that was about 10 weeks back from my post.
It may take longer because of the holidays.

Skyking

[Corky Scott]

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:36:24 GMT, "Nasir"
> wrote:

>I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the plastic
>license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
>
>BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
>sending the form in. Is that the norm?
>
>thanks.
>
>
The D.E. who gave me my checkride (I passed) typed out the form and
handed me the temp license and told me very specifically how long it
might take to get the permanent card. He then counted out the months
and told me to get back to him at such and so a date if I had not
gotten it by then. I forget exactly how long you have before the temp
license expires but 4 months may be close.

I got the plastic card about three months later.

Corky Scott

[Joe Allbritten]

(Corky Scott) wrote in message >...
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:36:24 GMT, "Nasir"
> > wrote:
>
> >I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the plastic
> >license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
> >
> >BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
> >sending the form in. Is that the norm?
> >
> >thanks.
> >
> >
> The D.E. who gave me my checkride (I passed) typed out the form and
> handed me the temp license and told me very specifically how long it
> might take to get the permanent card. He then counted out the months
> and told me to get back to him at such and so a date if I had not
> gotten it by then. I forget exactly how long you have before the temp
> license expires but 4 months may be close.
>
> I got the plastic card about three months later.
>
> Corky Scott

Nasir,

Temp. Airman's Certificate expires 120 days from date of issue. Your
DPE should have made a copy of all the paperwork before sending the
originals in. Prior to the "date of expiration", contact DPE and let
him/her know you did not get your permanent certificate. (I personally
would start calling after 110 days depending on how hard it is to get
ahold of him/her.) Your DPE can print you another temp. certificate
and either start back tracking or recreate paperwork to send in again.
Either way, a retest will not be needed.

Joe
D.P.E. - Glider

[Corky Scott]

On 5 Jan 2004 17:12:26 -0800, (Joe Allbritten)
wrote:

>Nasir,
>
>Temp. Airman's Certificate expires 120 days from date of issue. Your
>DPE should have made a copy of all the paperwork before sending the
>originals in. Prior to the "date of expiration", contact DPE and let
>him/her know you did not get your permanent certificate. (I personally
>would start calling after 110 days depending on how hard it is to get
>ahold of him/her.) Your DPE can print you another temp. certificate
>and either start back tracking or recreate paperwork to send in again.
> Either way, a retest will not be needed.
>
>Joe

Sorry, I was going on memory, which obviously failed me. What did
happen though was that the card came before the expiration date.

Corky Scott
>D.P.E. - Glider

[MRQB]

Seems like they are stuck on october 25th


"Skyking" > wrote in message
m...
> (Skyking) wrote in message
>...
> > "Nasir" > wrote in message
>...
> > > I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the
plastic
> > > license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
> > >
> > > BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would be
> > > sending the form in. Is that the norm?
> > >
> > > thanks.
> >
> > Your "temp" is good for 120 days and it ususlly takes about 10 weeks or
> > more. You can go to the FAA Airman Registry website
>
> Yeah, it looks like they are working on certificates dated 10 weeks back.
> Here is the website: http://registry.faa.gov/airmen.asp
>
> Good luck,
>
> Skyking
>

[Skyking]

"MRQB" > wrote in message >...
> Seems like they are stuck on october 25th
>
>
It looks like they just got off of it.

We are currently processing permanent Airmen Certificates with an
approximate issue date of October 31st, 2003 .


Good luck,

Skyking

[ross watson]

Mine came just before the temp certificate expired so they apparently like
to press the envelope a little.


"MRQB" > wrote in message
...
> Seems like they are stuck on october 25th
>
>
> "Skyking" > wrote in message
> m...
> > (Skyking) wrote in message
> >...
> > > "Nasir" > wrote in message
> >...
> > > > I passed my checkride over 2 months ago but have not received the
> plastic
> > > > license yet. Any idea how long it takes?
> > > >
> > > > BTW, I did not mail anything to anyone..The D.E. told me she would
be
> > > > sending the form in. Is that the norm?
> > > >
> > > > thanks.
> > >
> > > Your "temp" is good for 120 days and it ususlly takes about 10 weeks
or
> > > more. You can go to the FAA Airman Registry website
> >
> > Yeah, it looks like they are working on certificates dated 10 weeks
back.
> > Here is the website: http://registry.faa.gov/airmen.asp
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Skyking
> >
>
>

[My name]

"ross watson" > wrote in
:

> Mine came just before the temp certificate expired so they apparently
> like to press the envelope a little.
>

>
>

92 Days for my latest (Added IFR).

[seanoj]

Takes two weeks longer than your patience. Call them and they will
tell you what "issue" date they are processing. That will give you an
idea how long it will be. They say they are doing 31st OCT 2003 now
Took me almost 90 days. Your temporary is good for 120.

From the FAA FAQ

Normally, it takes FAA about six to eight weeks to process and send a
permanent license(certificate). You can check on-line at
http://registry.faa.gov/airmen.asp to see which dates we are currently
processing. If we are currently processing certificates we issued
later than yours, submit an inquiry through
http://registry.faa.gov/amfeed.asp. You can also call the FAA's Airmen
Registry at 405-954-3261.

For further question about this topic please contact the Civil
Aviation Registry by email at

[MRQB]

I know the DE gave me copies of all my info i asked him what for he said
incase something gets lost! Said if you don't receive it in 105 days call
him and he will reissue me a temp and see whats taking so long.


"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:xiYIb.45016$m83.27338@fed1read01...
> you mean the DE did not give you a copy of all the paperwork?
>
> And you did not keep a pencil copy of the 8710 you filed out?
>
> That DE should give you your money back..
>
> BT
>
> "James M. Knox" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "MRQB" > wrote in
> > :
> >
> > > Your log book should have your check ride date and examiners signature
> >
> > It does. And I still have the original (well, the copy they give to the
> > applicant) temporary certificate. But it's not that the FAA doesn't
> > believe me (well, actually, they don't - or at least they don't care).
> > They require a full data package, including application for certificate,
> > original (from the DE) of the temporary, original of the knowledge test,
> > etc.
> >
> > None of that exists anymore, of course.
> >
> > Current plan is for me to reconstitute the 8710 form for back when I
> > took the checkride, try to get a new "original" of the knowledge test
> > certificate (which has expired), and the other paperwork. Take that to
> > my my CFI and get him to sign another copy. Then fly over to east Texas
> > (about 250 nm each way) to get the DE to sign everything. Then if I am
> > lucky we can mail it all back to OKC.
> >
> > No, I'm not worried about it all --- YET! But a friend assures me they
> > know someone this happened to, and she had to take her checkride over
> > again.
> >
> > Guess I'll wait a few days before I start practicing those Chandelles
> > again. Sigh...
> >
> > BTW, re: the FSDO suggestion. Turns out my local (75 miles away) FSDO
> > isn't involved. It's the one 200 miles away that is involved. And they
> > aren't even taking requests for scheduling visits (no walk-ins, period)
> > until the alert level goes back down.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > James M. Knox
> > TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
> > 1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
> > Austin, Tx 78721
> > -----------------------------------------------
>
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