CHARTER: rec.aviation.piloting

[Larry Dighera]

The "founder" of this rec.aviation.piloting usenet newsgroup, Jeoff
Peck, seems to have discontinued periodically posting its charter. In
the hope that knowledge of the charter will improve the newsgroup's
ever declining signal-to-noise ratio, I post it here:


From: Geoff Peck )
Subject: CHARTER: rec.aviation.piloting
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Date: 2002-01-13 00:45:07 PST

The charter of rec.aviation.piloting is:


************************************************** *****************
* Information pertinent to pilots of general aviation aircraft
* which would not fall into one of the other non-misc
* rec.aviation groups. Topics include, but are not limited to
* flying skills, interesting sights, destinations, flight
* characteristics of aircraft, unusual situations, handling
* emergencies, working with air traffic control, international
* flights, customs and immigration, experiences with
* ground support facilities, etc.

************************************************** *****************


If members of the readership of rec.aviation.piloting feel that the
constraints of this duly enacted charter prevent them from posting
articles that might be classified as 'hangar flying' topics (as
opposed to 'piloting' topics) just say the word, and we can start the
process to have rec.aviation.hangar-flying chartered, or they can post
articles on those topics to rec.aviation.misc.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/

[Chuck]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>
> The "founder" of this rec.aviation.piloting usenet newsgroup, Jeoff
> Peck, seems to have discontinued periodically posting its charter. In
> the hope that knowledge of the charter will improve the newsgroup's
> ever declining signal-to-noise ratio, I post it here:
>
>

<snip>

Personally, I see very few off topic posts. This NG has, by far, the least
amount of OT posts and spam, than any of the others that I have been a part
of.

What I see is 1 person trying to "police" the NG now...

[Geoffrey Barnes]

> And, if I read the charter correctly, posting about the charter is not
allowed
> by the charter. Please take your comments to a news.admin newsgroup.

ROFLMAO!

[Jim Fisher]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
In
> the hope that knowledge of the charter will improve the newsgroup's
> ever declining signal-to-noise ratio, I post it here:

Larry, Larry, Larry,

Thanks, but no thanks. This place would be a whole lot less interesting
without the occasional divers thread . . . and with more people like you.

--
Jim Fisher

[john smith]

> If members of the readership of rec.aviation.piloting feel that the
> constraints of this duly enacted charter prevent them from posting
> articles that might be classified as 'hangar flying' topics (as
> opposed to 'piloting' topics) just say the word, and we can start the
> process to have rec.aviation.hangar-flying chartered, or they can post
> articles on those topics to rec.aviation.misc.

I'm a native English speaker, and I still can't figure out what the
difference between piloting topics and hangar flying is.

[C J Campbell]

Larry Dighera is one of the most frequent off-topic posters on this news
group. This post is a thinly disguised attempt to suppress political
opinions other than his own.

[tony roberts]

> I'm a native English speaker, and I still can't figure out what the
> difference between piloting topics and hangar flying is.

Piloting topics have a basis of truth :)

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Almost Instrument :)
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[Dave Stadt]

Larry, take the tin badge you got for Christmas and go outside and play in
the street.

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>
> The "founder" of this rec.aviation.piloting usenet newsgroup, Jeoff
> Peck, seems to have discontinued periodically posting its charter. In
> the hope that knowledge of the charter will improve the newsgroup's
> ever declining signal-to-noise ratio, I post it here:
>
>
> From: Geoff Peck )
> Subject: CHARTER: rec.aviation.piloting
> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
> Date: 2002-01-13 00:45:07 PST
>
> The charter of rec.aviation.piloting is:
>
>
> ************************************************** *****************
> * Information pertinent to pilots of general aviation aircraft
> * which would not fall into one of the other non-misc
> * rec.aviation groups. Topics include, but are not limited to
> * flying skills, interesting sights, destinations, flight
> * characteristics of aircraft, unusual situations, handling
> * emergencies, working with air traffic control, international
> * flights, customs and immigration, experiences with
> * ground support facilities, etc.
>
> ************************************************** *****************
>
>
> If members of the readership of rec.aviation.piloting feel that the
> constraints of this duly enacted charter prevent them from posting
> articles that might be classified as 'hangar flying' topics (as
> opposed to 'piloting' topics) just say the word, and we can start the
> process to have rec.aviation.hangar-flying chartered, or they can post
> articles on those topics to rec.aviation.misc.
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/

[Morgans]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> Larry Dighera is one of the most frequent off-topic posters on this news
> group. This post is a thinly disguised attempt to suppress political
> opinions other than his own.
>
>
I have to agree that the two things that should be avoided are discussions
of religion and politics. They hold very strong views and emotions, and are
not likely to be changed by anyone's persuasions. All that happens is name
calling.
--
Jim in NC

[Martin Hotze]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:16:55 GMT, Chuck wrote:

>What I see is 1 person trying to "police" the NG now...

you don't have the slightest idea of usenet (and its creation and
surviving), do you?

#m
--
harsh regulations in North Korea (read below link after reading the story):
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/04/open-mikulan.php
oooops ... sorry ... it happened in the USA, ya know: the land of the free.

[Martin Hotze]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:12:05 -0800, Morgans wrote:

>I have to agree that the two things that should be avoided are discussions
>of religion and politics. They hold very strong views and emotions, and are
>not likely to be changed by anyone's persuasions. All that happens is name
>calling.

very true.
and I have to blame myself for also going OT sometimes.

#m
--
harsh regulations in North Korea (read below link after reading the story):
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/04/open-mikulan.php
oooops ... sorry ... it happened in the USA, ya know: the land of the free.

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:16:55 GMT, "Chuck" > wrote
in Message-Id: >:

>
>"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> The "founder" of this rec.aviation.piloting usenet newsgroup, Jeoff
>> Peck, seems to have discontinued periodically posting its charter. In
>> the hope that knowledge of the charter will improve the newsgroup's
>> ever declining signal-to-noise ratio, I post it here:
>>
>
><snip>
>
>Personally, I see very few off topic posts. This NG has, by far, the least
>amount of OT posts and spam, than any of the others that I have been a part
>of.

Until a rec.aviation.reader has had an opportunity to read and
understand the intent of a newsgroup's charter, s/he cannot know if
articles are on-topic or not. This was obviously recognized by the
newsgroup's original founder, Geoff Peck, as he posted the charters to
the rec.aviation.* hierarchy regularly until ceasing recently.

>
>What I see is 1 person trying to "police" the NG now...
>

There is no means for policing usenet (with the possible exceptions of
spam canclebots and, of course, individual choice (self-policing or
responsible adherence to the RFCs that govern the network)). By
posting the charter, I merely seek to provide INFORMATION to those who
wish to responsibly participate in this forum.

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:23:04 GMT, john smith >
wrote in Message-Id: >:

>> If members of the readership of rec.aviation.piloting feel that the
>> constraints of this duly enacted charter prevent them from posting
>> articles that might be classified as 'hangar flying' topics (as
>> opposed to 'piloting' topics) just say the word, and we can start the
>> process to have rec.aviation.hangar-flying chartered, or they can post
>> articles on those topics to rec.aviation.misc.
>
>I'm a native English speaker, and I still can't figure out what the
>difference between piloting topics and hangar flying is.

You will note that the rec.aviation.piloting charter demands that
articles contain INFORMATION relating to specific piloting subjects.
Articles that fail to meet that demand would be candidates for
rec.aviation.hangar-flying IMO.

[EDR]

In article <nospam-94457D.20280830122003@shawnews>, tony roberts
> wrote:

> > I'm a native English speaker, and I still can't figure out what the
> > difference between piloting topics and hangar flying is.
>
> Piloting topics have a basis of truth :)

Ohhhhh!!!! Now I get it! If a posting starts out, "There I was...",
it's hangar flying. If a posting begins with anything else, it's the
truth.
Thanks Tony!

[EDR]

In article >, Morgans
> wrote:

> I have to agree that the two things that should be avoided are discussions
> of religion and politics. They hold very strong views and emotions, and are
> not likely to be changed by anyone's persuasions. All that happens is name
> calling.

Well, that pretty much sums up discussions about the current Bush
administration, doesn't it? Two subjects in the same thread. Oh wait,
that's why it's called the religious right! (now there's an oximoron)
;-)

[Dan Luke]

"Larry Dighera" wrote:
> >I'm a native English speaker, and I still can't figure out what the
> >difference between piloting topics and hangar flying is.
>
> You will note that the rec.aviation.piloting charter demands that
> articles contain INFORMATION relating to specific piloting subjects.
> Articles that fail to meet that demand would be candidates for
> rec.aviation.hangar-flying IMO.

Horse hockey.

[Chuck]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:16:55 GMT, Chuck wrote:
>
> >What I see is 1 person trying to "police" the NG now...
>
> you don't have the slightest idea of usenet (and its creation and
> surviving), do you?
>

Go ahead and give me the complete history...

[Verbs Under My Gel]

"Dave Stadt" > wrote in message >...
> Larry, take the tin badge you got for Christmas and go outside and play in
> the street.
>

Ahem. Please take this to "alt.fan.larry-dighera".

[Chuck]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...

<snip>
> You will note that the rec.aviation.piloting charter demands that
> articles contain INFORMATION relating to specific piloting subjects.
> Articles that fail to meet that demand would be candidates for
> rec.aviation.hangar-flying IMO.
<snip>

IMO = in my opinion

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they all stink.

Maybe others don't have the same opinions as you...

[Chuck]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>
> The "founder" of this rec.aviation.piloting usenet newsgroup, Jeoff
> Peck, seems to have discontinued periodically posting its charter. In
> the hope that knowledge of the charter will improve the newsgroup's
> ever declining signal-to-noise ratio, I post it here:
>
>
> From: Geoff Peck )
> Subject: CHARTER: rec.aviation.piloting
> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
> Date: 2002-01-13 00:45:07 PST
>
> The charter of rec.aviation.piloting is:
>
>
> ************************************************** *****************
> * Information pertinent to pilots of general aviation aircraft
> * which would not fall into one of the other non-misc
> * rec.aviation groups. Topics include, but are not limited to
> * flying skills, interesting sights, destinations, flight
> * characteristics of aircraft, unusual situations, handling
> * emergencies, working with air traffic control, international
> * flights, customs and immigration, experiences with
> * ground support facilities, etc.
>
> ************************************************** *****************
>
>

<snip>

Larry...

YOU participate in off topic posts. You are as guilty as anyone else.

Proof:

Date: 2003-09-17 08:00:37 PST
Boeing: Space shuttles to last into next decade
Larry Dighera

Date: 2003-10-17 21:17:49 PST
Re: Boeing to cease 757 production
Larry Dighera

2003-07-21 19:15:33 PST
Chuckles
Larry Dighera

Do you want more?

Show me where any of the above mentioned posts pertain to General Aviation.
Read the charter before you spew more garbage out...

[Jim Weir]

That's true for us damyankees. If you are from Dixie, the hangar flying starts
of with "Now this ain't no ****...".

Jim


EDR >
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->Ohhhhh!!!! Now I get it! If a posting starts out, "There I was...",
->it's hangar flying. If a posting begins with anything else, it's the
->truth.


Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[S Ramirez]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
> I have to agree that the two things that should be avoided are discussions
> of religion and politics. They hold very strong views and emotions, and
are
> not likely to be changed by anyone's persuasions. All that happens is
name
> calling.

I would agree with the first statement above except that our flying
situations do involve politics. Meigs Field is one example. TFRs are
another example. I could go on and on.

Simon

[EDR]

In article >, Jim Weir
> wrote:

> That's true for us damyankees. If you are from Dixie, the hangar flying
> starts of with "Now this ain't no ****...".

The way I heard it, it went...
"All y'all listen up! Now this ain't no ****..."

[Martin Hotze]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:32:08 GMT, Chuck wrote:

><snip>
>
>Larry...
>
>YOU participate in off topic posts. You are as guilty as anyone else.

true, but ...

>(...)
>Show me where any of the above mentioned posts pertain to General Aviation.
>Read the charter before you spew more garbage out...


.... but the rules are set. and the CHARTER exists. Larry has only pointed
out and reposted the charter.

it is (it should be) in our best interest to obey the charter. ELSE change
the charter.

#m
--
harsh regulations in North Korea (read below link after reading the story):
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/04/open-mikulan.php
oooops ... sorry ... it happened in the USA, ya know: the land of the free.

[Jürgen Exner]

EDR wrote:
> In article >, Jim Weir
> > wrote:
>
>> That's true for us damyankees. If you are from Dixie, the hangar
>> flying starts of with "Now this ain't no ****...".
>
> The way I heard it, it went...
> "All y'all listen up! Now this ain't no ****..."

And a doubled negation means ....

jue

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jim Weir wrote:
>
> That's true for us damyankees.

Jim, you don't qualify. You're out west. Damyankees are people from up north who
come south and *stay*.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[Jeff Franks]

We southern folk think of yankees like hemorrhoids:

Ones that come down and go back up aren't all the painful,

But the ones that come down and stay down are a real pain in the ass ;-)


Oops...was that off topic? Sry Larry, go have a beer at Jay's
place.....oops was that advertising a felony?? Help! I can't stop!


"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Jim Weir wrote:
> >
> > That's true for us damyankees.
>
> Jim, you don't qualify. You're out west. Damyankees are people from up
north who
> come south and *stay*.
>
> George Patterson
> Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually
said is
> "Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[Ron Natalie]

> Discussion of the charter is not allowed under the charter of
> rec.aviation.piloting. Discussion of who is and who is not following the
> charter, and what postings may or may not violate the charter, is not allowed
> under the charter.
>
Bull****. Discussion of what is topical is topical to any of the BIG-8 groups.

[Jay Honeck]

> Oops...was that off topic? Sry Larry, go have a beer at Jay's
> place.....oops was that advertising a felony?? Help! I can't stop!

This MUST be a Dighera thread. To this day, he stands (sits?) as the ONLY
person in my "killfile"... As a result, I am blissfully spared his
sanctimonious pontificating, and can only see the "collateral damage" caused
by his posts. This thread looks like a doozy.

By the way -- did I mention that our "2nd Annual Oshkosh Pool Party" will be
held on Sunday, July 25th -- the Sunday before OSH '04? Everyone here is
of course invited to partake in the FREE BEER we will once again be serving
at poolside...

By the way (required aviation content to follow): July 25 is the 20th
anniversary of Svetlana Savitskaya's walk in space -- the first spacewalk,
ever, for a woman. Thus, I expect that Jim Weir will be serving up free
shots of vodka in her honor.
;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Chuck]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:MEIIb.712934$Fm2.618908@attbi_s04...

<snip>
>
> By the way (required aviation content to follow): July 25 is the 20th
> anniversary of Svetlana Savitskaya's walk in space -- the first spacewalk,
> ever, for a woman. Thus, I expect that Jim Weir will be serving up free
> shots of vodka in her honor.
> ;-)

<snip>


Hey Jay...

If you would have read the charter, you would see that you are still off
topic.
It isn't aviation but general aviation that you need to discuss. :)

So... when is the last time that you started your plane? (there is general
aviation)

Now are you happy Larry?

[Jay Honeck]

> So... when is the last time that you started your plane? (there is general
> aviation)

We went for a beautiful flight into Amana, IA just three hours ago. It's
not every New Year's Eve that the grass strips in Iowa are still open!

It was a bit rutted, but not bad at all.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Chuck]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:W3JIb.707373$Tr4.1786074@attbi_s03...
> > So... when is the last time that you started your plane? (there is
general
> > aviation)
>
> We went for a beautiful flight into Amana, IA just three hours ago. It's
> not every New Year's Eve that the grass strips in Iowa are still open!
>
> It was a bit rutted, but not bad at all.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

Sounds like a lot of fun!

[Martin Hotze]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:07:24 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

>> Oops...was that off topic? Sry Larry, go have a beer at Jay's
>> place.....oops was that advertising a felony?? Help! I can't stop!
>
>This MUST be a Dighera thread. To this day, he stands (sits?) as the ONLY
>person in my "killfile"... As a result, I am blissfully spared his
>sanctimonious pontificating, and can only see the "collateral damage" caused
>by his posts. This thread looks like a doozy.
>

because you have no technical clue. sorry, but it is the truth.

>By the way -- did I mention that our "2nd Annual Oshkosh Pool Party" will be
>held on Sunday, July 25th -- the Sunday before OSH '04? Everyone here is
>of course invited to partake in the FREE BEER we will once again be serving
>at poolside...
>

I'd appreciate your promotions beeing posted in r.a.misc. Even better would
be NOT posting such promotion. I'd suggest putting up a website and promote
it through your signature. maximum 4 lines and corectly seperated by "-- ".

Thank you.

#m

--
harsh regulations in North Korea (read below link after reading the story):
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/04/open-mikulan.php
oooops ... sorry ... it happened in the USA, ya know: the land of the free.

[Martin Hotze]

On 31 Dec 2003 11:50:12 -0800, wrote:

>Discussion of the charter is not allowed under the charter of
>rec.aviation.piloting. Discussion of who is and who is not following the
>charter, and what postings may or may not violate the charter, is not allowed
>under the charter.
>

true.

set a follow up ... aaaahh ... you are an anonymous and unknown idiot. you
count nothing.

>Please remove this discussion to an appropriate news.admin group.

IF you would know the rules you would have followed them and you'd have set
a follow up to the appropriate group.

*I* now set a follow up to poster. It would not help much, though.

#m

--
harsh regulations in North Korea (read below link after reading the story):
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/04/open-mikulan.php
oooops ... sorry ... it happened in the USA, ya know: the land of the free.

[Martin Hotze]

On 31 Dec 2003 13:39:22 -0800, wrote:

>
>How is it that the rec.aviation groups seem to attract netloons named "Larry?"

it also attracts anonymous idiots (this is *you*) with - you're the
hero of the group.

#m

--
harsh regulations in North Korea (read below link after reading the story):
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/04/open-mikulan.php
oooops ... sorry ... it happened in the USA, ya know: the land of the free.

[Jay Honeck]

> I'd appreciate your promotions beeing posted in r.a.misc. Even better
would
> be NOT posting such promotion. I'd suggest putting up a website and
promote
> it through your signature. maximum 4 lines and corectly seperated by "--
".

I believe the Charter clearly states that this is an English-language
newsgroup, Martin.

You've got three misspellings in just three sentences -- a NEW Usenet record
for illiteracy, and a CLEAR violation of the charter.

I suggest buying a new spell-checker (they're cheap!), or, better yet, stop
posting here until your English improves beyond the sixth-grade level.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Geoffrey Barnes]

I usually appreciate any post by either Martin or Jay. But there is no
reason to attack Jay for (rather mildly) plugging his hotel here. If that
was all Jay did on this newsgroup, I would be at the front of the mob
(probably carrying a pitchfork if all the scythes had been taken) demanding
that he cease and desist. But my own opinion is that Jay doesn't plug the
inn any more than the many of the rest of us talk about our own jobs. I
certainly don't mind!

Jay is a true member of this community, who happens to own a hotel that many
of us (including myself) would like to visit one day. In part to see the
rooms, but mostly to meet a good friend in person.

[Chuck]

"Geoffrey Barnes" > wrote in message
hlink.net...

<snip>
> Jay is a true member of this community, who happens to own a hotel that
many
> of us (including myself) would like to visit one day. In part to see the
> rooms, but mostly to meet a good friend in person.
>
>

I have thought about driving to Iowa City from Texas. Make a few side trips,
but mostly to meet Jay, see the hotel and try to get some free beer out of
him!

Sounds like a fun time.

Jay is a pilot and owns a hotel that is aviation themed so I see absolutely
no harm in advertising it in this NG.

Show me where the charter says that he isn't allowed to advertise it.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> I suggest buying a new spell-checker (they're cheap!), or, better yet, stop
> posting here until your English improves beyond the sixth-grade level.

Bet his English is a hell of a lot better than your German.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[Jay Honeck]

> >Bet his English is a hell of a lot better than your German.
>
> What kind of odds are you giving? His name is Honeck, after all.

Ja!

Ich bin ein jelly-filled donut!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> > Jay is a true member of this community, who happens to own a hotel that
> many
> > of us (including myself) would like to visit one day. In part to see
the
> > rooms, but mostly to meet a good friend in person.

> I have thought about driving to Iowa City from Texas. Make a few side
trips,
> but mostly to meet Jay, see the hotel and try to get some free beer out of
> him!

Thanks, guys. Mary and I, as innkeepers, have met the coolest pilots, and
the best people, from all over the world -- many through this newsgroup.
And although I'm not above the occasional plug for ** FREE BEER IN IOWA! **
, it's certainly not the main reason I'm here.

Pilots are the best damned people around, period. They're honest,
intelligent, forthright, and capable -- which is more than I can say about
90% of the rest of the population.

Here is the best illustration I can give you of our wonderful first 16
months in the aviation-theme-suites-hotel business: When we opened for
business, in August 2002, I filled the 36 gallon gas tank of our courtesy
van. I've not had to add gas since. Not one single, solitary gallon!

Since then countless pilots have used it, free of charge, putting many
thousands of miles on it. Never -- not once -- has it presented a problem,
or cost me a nickel -- despite the dire warnings of many. Without fail,
the pilots who have used it have topped off the tank. Many did this AND
left a few bucks. A couple have even left small gifts, and several made
donations to our "aviation library".

If you've got to work with the public, work with pilots. You won't go too
far wrong.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[pacplyer]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<MEIIb.712934$Fm2.618908@attbi_s04>...
> > Oops...was that off topic? Sry Larry, go have a beer at Jay's
> > place.....oops was that advertising a felony?? Help! I can't stop!
>
> This MUST be a Dighera thread. To this day, he stands (sits?) as the ONLY
> person in my "killfile"... As a result, I am blissfully spared his
> sanctimonious pontificating, and can only see the "collateral damage" caused
> by his posts. This thread looks like a doozy.

Great Post Jay,

Larry has just got to be some kind of failed law student, wouldn't you
say? Seems to have a Saddam Hussein complex, "I, am the lone guardian
of my RAP people and will police all those who dare to exercise free
speech against me..."

Seems to me, that along with Larry, Usenet has morphed more into
entertainment than anything else! So be it. Pure, unmoderated, free
speech for the little guy. I like it a lot.

pacplyer

Self-annointed Guardian of irrelevant OT posts

[pacplyer]

"Morgans" > wrote in message >...
> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Larry Dighera is one of the most frequent off-topic posters on this news
> > group. This post is a thinly disguised attempt to suppress political
> > opinions other than his own.
> >
> >
> I have to agree that the two things that should be avoided are discussions
> of religion and politics. They hold very strong views and emotions, and are
> not likely to be changed by anyone's persuasions. All that happens is name
> calling.

Well then for Christ sake, Morgans, find a moderated news group that
doesn't allow them. Don't specify to me what subjects I can discuss!
BTW, if you don't vote Libertarian then you are a putz. ;-) (just
humor, Morgans, don't go ballistic)

pacplyer - out

[Rosspilot]

>And my name is Scottish, but I don't sound like the engineer on the
>Enterprise.

LOL . . .whom my mother used to call "Scotty the Irishman".
www.Rosspilot.com

[Ron Natalie]

"Rosspilot" > wrote in message ...
> >And my name is Scottish, but I don't sound like the engineer on the
> >Enterprise.
>
> LOL . . .whom my mother used to call "Scotty the Irishman".

Scotty the canuck Irishman. About as Scottish as Al Jolson was black.

[Chuck]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Rosspilot" > wrote in message
...
> > >And my name is Scottish, but I don't sound like the engineer on the
> > >Enterprise.
> >
> > LOL . . .whom my mother used to call "Scotty the Irishman".
>
> Scotty the canuck Irishman. About as Scottish as Al Jolson was black.
>
>

Be careful... Ya'll are going to get Larry mad at you...

Did you know that most Cessna's have propellers? (required general aviation
content)

[G.R. Patterson III]

wrote:
>
> What kind of odds are you giving? His name is Honeck, after all.

And my name is Scottish, but I don't sound like the engineer on the Enterprise.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[pacplyer]

"Morgans" > wrote in message >...
> "pacplyer" > wrote in message
> news:7e634727.0401011804.5f55f8b7@
>
> > Well then for Christ sake, Morgans, find a moderated news group that
> > doesn't allow them. Don't specify to me what subjects I can discuss!
> > BTW, if you don't vote Libertarian then you are a putz. ;-) (just
> > humor, Morgans, don't go ballistic)
> >
> > pacplyer - out
>
> I would say you are a putz for criticizing my choices of what not to
> discuss. Kind of ironic, isn't it?

No No. That's not what I did. Exactly the opposite. I never
advocated ANY sensorship or moderation for you. That's disingenuous
to mischaracterize what I said. I am *not* "criticizing [your]
choices of what not to discuss" as you put it. You're free to
"not-discuss" anything that offends you. You however, seem to want to
outlaw speech that you disagree with (politics and religion.) Did I
misunderstand your intent? To dissuade others from such speech?

>
> I just think that these are two subjects that people seldom agree on, and
> there is no rational way to resolve the argument. Believe it or not, I
> dislike disagreement, and would rather get along with everyone.

Mr and Mrs Morgan, I actually like you, and think you are the most
polite, good-natured folks on the internet today. And everyone else
likes you as well. My apologies for kidding you. Although you may
not like disagreement, it is the cornerstone and right of citizens of
a free society.

>
> My opinion realistically will not change a thing. I will continue to not
> get involved, for the most part. It would be nice if those participating in
> the arguments would respect the other guy's opinion,

I agree and think you have a very valid point.

and the right to
> express it. It seldom stays that way, when religion or politics are
> involved.>
> See, I didn't go ballistic, but what I vote (and I do) is simply none of
> your damn business. :-)

True. I was intentionally posting subjects of religion and politics
that resulted in name calling like your first post warned about. (in
jest :-) But Morgans I rather think your opinion does matter and
does change things since you are a long-time poster at these NG's. I
just feel it's wrong for any of us to "run off" or censor any pilot
standing on a soapbox. Be disagreeable and argue all day long with
them if you want to. Maybe they'll go away… but don't outlaw their
topical choice of speech. It's quite possible they don't want to
discuss these things with the trailer trash over at
alt.religion.pycho.

I would expect disagreeable subjects to be outlawed in Iran, China or
Cuba, but not here on an unmoderated NG in the U.S.

MSUOO (my screw-up opinion only)

pacplyer