Re: New Security Procedures at HPN

[Rosspilot]

There were 2 West Milford police cars on the only access road to Greenwood Lake
yesterday, too. They didn't stop us as we left (after our glorious final
flight of 2003) but I assumed they were checking inbound cars.
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[Steve P]

On 1/1/2004 6:39 AM after considerable forethought, Tom Fleischman wrote:
> I received the following this morning in an email alert from a local
> aviation advocacy group at HPN:
>
> \begin quote:
>
> Westchester Airport Manager Joel Russell advises that special new
> security procedures will likely be in effect at Westchester County
> Airport beginning this morning, Wednesday Dec. 31.
>
> He advises at armed National Guard personnel are being deployed to the
> airport, and can be expected to be be at inbound checkpoints at the
> airport, in addition to police patrols that you may have seen in the
> past.<SNIP>

A similar checkpoint at EMT (So Cal) was put in place a couple of days
ago. All cars entering the perimeter fence of the airport are subject
to the search, yet one can turn just before the checkpoint and park in
the terminal parking lot, which also serves 2 fbos, without going
through the checkpoint.

Steve P

[Ron Rosenfeld]

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 09:39:31 -0500, Tom Fleischman
> wrote:

>I received the following this morning in an email alert from a local
>aviation advocacy group at HPN:
>
>\begin quote:
>
>Westchester Airport Manager Joel Russell advises that special new
>security procedures will likely be in effect at Westchester County
>Airport beginning this morning, Wednesday Dec. 31.
>


There was no obvious security at WVL or EPM last night <g>


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

[Thomas Ploch]

In article nk.net>,=20
says...
> I received the following this morning in an email alert from a local
> aviation advocacy group at HPN:
>=20
> \begin quote:
>=20
> Westchester Airport Manager Joel Russell advises that special new
> security procedures will likely be in effect at Westchester County
> Airport beginning this morning, Wednesday Dec. 31.
>=20
> He advises at armed National Guard personnel are being deployed to the
> airport, and can be expected to be be at inbound checkpoints at the
> airport, in addition to police patrols that you may have seen in the
> past.
>=20
> A new procedure may be a checkpoint on Tower Road, which is the access
> road for Hangar Echo, as well as Panorama and Westair.=A0 Vehicles may be
> inspected, and occupants may be asked to show a government-issued
> identification.=A0 This could be a 24-hour-a-day procedure, and is
> expected to be in effect for the short-term period ahead.=A0 There will
> likely be heightened security procedures including National Guard on
> the terminal side of the airport as well.
>=20
> No further details as to specific procedures or the length of time
> these kinds of measures may be in effect is available.=A0 Again, remember
> that you and any guests should have available proper identification
Lincoln Park Airport, N07, had local police parked at the end of Runway=20
01 all day yesterday. Not sure what they thought they were=20
accomplishing there.

[Rosspilot]

>Lincoln Park Airport, N07, had local police parked at the end of Runway=20
>01 all day yesterday. Not sure what they thought they were=20
>accomplishing there.

Same thing as everywhere . . . showing that they are "doing something".

So all the sheeple will feel "safe".
:-(


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[Ross Oliver]

On 02 Jan 2004 01:26:09 GMT, Rosspilot > wrote:
>Same thing as everywhere . . . showing that they are "doing something".
>
>So all the sheeple will feel "safe".
>:-(


Hey Rosspilot,

If you are unhappy with police and National Guard patrolling your
airport, I would be happy to take them off your hands. I would like
nothing better than a squad of M-16-toting soldiers keeping any
unauthorized persons away from my multi-thousand dollar investement
sitting out in the open 24/7 in an only partially-fenced tiedown
area.

Ross Oliver

[Andrew Gideon]

Ross Oliver wrote:

> If you are unhappy with police and National Guard patrolling your
> airport, I would be happy to take them off your hands. I would like
> nothing better than a squad of M-16-toting soldiers keeping any
> unauthorized persons away from my multi-thousand dollar investement
> sitting out in the open 24/7 in an only partially-fenced tiedown
> area.

I rather agree with you. I saw increased patrols around CDW, and that was
one of my thoughts.

But I also saw a father and a pair of kids get uncomfortable being watched
while watching us, and leaving. Or perhaps they would have left anyway
then. But I'd hate to think that this sort of thing is costing us future
pilots.

- Andrew

[Mark Astley]

Yeah saw that. I was there until sunset working on my plane. They left
before I did though.

"Thomas Ploch" > wrote in message
. ..
In article nk.net>,
says...
> I received the following this morning in an email alert from a local
> aviation advocacy group at HPN:
>
> \begin quote:
>
> Westchester Airport Manager Joel Russell advises that special new
> security procedures will likely be in effect at Westchester County
> Airport beginning this morning, Wednesday Dec. 31.
>
> He advises at armed National Guard personnel are being deployed to the
> airport, and can be expected to be be at inbound checkpoints at the
> airport, in addition to police patrols that you may have seen in the
> past.
>
> A new procedure may be a checkpoint on Tower Road, which is the access
> road for Hangar Echo, as well as Panorama and Westair. Vehicles may be
> inspected, and occupants may be asked to show a government-issued
> identification. This could be a 24-hour-a-day procedure, and is
> expected to be in effect for the short-term period ahead. There will
> likely be heightened security procedures including National Guard on
> the terminal side of the airport as well.
>
> No further details as to specific procedures or the length of time
> these kinds of measures may be in effect is available. Again, remember
> that you and any guests should have available proper identification
Lincoln Park Airport, N07, had local police parked at the end of Runway
01 all day yesterday. Not sure what they thought they were
accomplishing there.

[Rosspilot]

>Rosspilot > wrote:
>>Same thing as everywhere . . . showing that they are "doing something".
>>
>>So all the sheeple will feel "safe".
>>:-(
>
>
>Hey Rosspilot,
>
>If you are unhappy with police and National Guard patrolling your
>airport, I would be happy to take them off your hands.

I did not say I was unhappy about it. I said they are there for show. And it's
true.

I would like
>nothing better than a squad of M-16-toting soldiers keeping any
>unauthorized persons away from my multi-thousand dollar investement
>sitting out in the open 24/7 in an only partially-fenced tiedown
>area.
>
I am all in favor of legitimate security. My airport has 24 hour surveillance
along with electronical gates. And I have no problem with a police presence
there or anywhere.
As I mentioned ealier, there were 2 West Milford cop cars checking people
entering the access road to 4N1.
But 2 cop cars parked at the road on the departure end of 01 at Lincoln Park
are not guarding anything. They are there just to be seen by anyone driving
by.





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[Tom Sixkiller]

"Mark Astley" > wrote in message
...
> Yeah saw that. I was there until sunset working on my plane. They left
> before I did though.


Were they afraid of the dark?

>
> "Thomas Ploch" > wrote in message
> . ..
> Lincoln Park Airport, N07, had local police parked at the end of Runway
> 01 all day yesterday. Not sure what they thought they were
> accomplishing there.
>
>

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Rosspilot" > wrote in message
...
> >Rosspilot > wrote:
> >>Same thing as everywhere . . . showing that they are "doing something".
> >>
> >>So all the sheeple will feel "safe".
> >>:-(
> >
> >
> >Hey Rosspilot,
> >
> >If you are unhappy with police and National Guard patrolling your
> >airport, I would be happy to take them off your hands.
>
> I did not say I was unhappy about it. I said they are there for show. And
it's
> true.
>
> I would like
> >nothing better than a squad of M-16-toting soldiers keeping any
> >unauthorized persons away from my multi-thousand dollar investement
> >sitting out in the open 24/7 in an only partially-fenced tiedown
> >area.
> >
> I am all in favor of legitimate security. My airport has 24 hour
surveillance
> along with electronical gates. And I have no problem with a police
presence
> there or anywhere.
> As I mentioned ealier, there were 2 West Milford cop cars checking people
> entering the access road to 4N1.
> But 2 cop cars parked at the road on the departure end of 01 at Lincoln
Park
> are not guarding anything. They are there just to be seen by anyone
driving
> by.
>
That's probably why they left at sunset.

[Maule Driver]

Back in November I flew thru HPN. Sometime after leaving home, I realized I
forgot my wallet (ID, money, credit cards) but fortunately my spouse had
hers. No problems flying in and spending a few nights but after dropping
her off I almost got caught by the FBO's id check. I managed to talk them
into letting me go out to the plane to retrieve my ID with the intent of
flying off. It worked, but the 30 minute clearance delay made me nervous.

In the end, it was one of the most beautiful legs flown all year. Flew
right over JFK with the morning sun lighting up the whole city and watching
beautiful silver birds swarming below.

Guess I wouldn't even have made it to the FBO with the new security.


"Tom Fleischman" >
>
> A new procedure may be a checkpoint on Tower Road, which is the access
> road for Hangar Echo, as well as Panorama and Westair. Vehicles may be
> inspected, and occupants may be asked to show a government-issued
> identification. This could be a 24-hour-a-day procedure, and is
> expected to be in effect for the short-term period ahead. There will
> likely be heightened security procedures including National Guard on
> the terminal side of the airport as well.
>

[Rosspilot]

>They may very well be there for show. That's another way of
>saying 'deterent.'

Hmmm . . . so I guess we're back to the concept that suicidal Mohammad will
re-think his meticulously-planned attack using GA because he sees 2 police cars
parked on Jacksonville Rd.

Maybe.

Actually, I think, it IS a valid demonstration
of the government's ability to coordinate forces all the way down to the local
level. My guess is that with the heightened security status in place, the Dept
of Homeland (groan) Security can simply "direct" all local jurisdictions having
an airport to place a uniformed presence there during specific times.
That's not a bad thing when it's really needed.




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