Puget Sound TFRs reduced in size, turned into National Security Areas

[C J Campbell]

The Puget Sound and Hermiston TFRs were rescinded at 11:49 1/9/04 and
replaced with National Security Areas, possibly as a prelude to permanent
publication. Jeppesen Flitestar is still showing the old TFRs, however, and
since the Jepp engine is the one that the FAA and AOPA use on their web
sites I would advise caution when flying in these areas. Also, the new NSA
NOTAMs do not specifically say that the old TFRs are rescinded, although
there is a series of FDC NOTAMS that say this, referencing the new NOTAMS.
The new NOTAMS do not look like they are accurately plotted. In particular,
the Bremerton NSA does not cover the shipyard and the Everett NSA is out in
the middle of the Sound. Seattle FSS has noticed this and is seeking
clarification.

The new NSAs are much smaller, but the Bangor NSA no longer has a cutout for
Apex. The ceilings for the NSAs are mostly 100 feet lower than the old TFRs,
but the Hermiston NSA now only goes to 5000 feet instead of 10,000 feet.

I would give it a day or so before just plunging into the area. It looks
like some changes are already in the works.

--
Christopher J. Campbell
World Famous Flight Instructor
Port Orchard, WA


If you go around beating the Bush, don't complain if you rile the animals.

[David H]

CJ,

I've put up a preliminary map showing the new Puget Sound TFRs - and the old
ones for comparison - up on the Pacific Northwest Flying website. Direct link
here:

http://www.smartgroups.com/vault/pnwflying/Public/tfrs/newoldtfrs.html

(the images are somewhat large to show detail, sorry to those on slow
connections)

I used the info on the FAA's graphical TFR website, so this may or may not be
highly accurate. In any case, I think it does show the changes fairly well.
Now I guess we have to fight to keep these from becoming permanent.

I agree that we all have to be careful with these until the details shake out.
I'll update the images when things change.

Hope somebody finds these helpful.

David H
Boeing Field (BFI), Seattle, WA
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Visit the Pacific Northwest Flying forum:
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PS: Looks like we will be getting a vice presidential fundraiser TFR in Seattle
on Jan 13th - watch for details.



C J Campbell wrote:

> The Puget Sound and Hermiston TFRs were rescinded at 11:49 1/9/04 and
> replaced with National Security Areas, possibly as a prelude to permanent
> publication. Jeppesen Flitestar is still showing the old TFRs, however, and
> since the Jepp engine is the one that the FAA and AOPA use on their web
> sites I would advise caution when flying in these areas. Also, the new NSA
> NOTAMs do not specifically say that the old TFRs are rescinded, although
> there is a series of FDC NOTAMS that say this, referencing the new NOTAMS.
> The new NOTAMS do not look like they are accurately plotted. In particular,
> the Bremerton NSA does not cover the shipyard and the Everett NSA is out in
> the middle of the Sound. Seattle FSS has noticed this and is seeking
> clarification.
>
> The new NSAs are much smaller, but the Bangor NSA no longer has a cutout for
> Apex. The ceilings for the NSAs are mostly 100 feet lower than the old TFRs,
> but the Hermiston NSA now only goes to 5000 feet instead of 10,000 feet.
>
> I would give it a day or so before just plunging into the area. It looks
> like some changes are already in the works.
>
> --
> Christopher J. Campbell
> World Famous Flight Instructor
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> If you go around beating the Bush, don't complain if you rile the animals.

[Bob Gardner]

Excellent work, David!

Bob Gardner

"David H" > wrote in message
...
> CJ,
>
> I've put up a preliminary map showing the new Puget Sound TFRs - and the
old
> ones for comparison - up on the Pacific Northwest Flying website. Direct
link
> here:
>
> http://www.smartgroups.com/vault/pnwflying/Public/tfrs/newoldtfrs.html
>
> (the images are somewhat large to show detail, sorry to those on slow
> connections)
>
> I used the info on the FAA's graphical TFR website, so this may or may not
be
> highly accurate. In any case, I think it does show the changes fairly
well.
> Now I guess we have to fight to keep these from becoming permanent.
>
> I agree that we all have to be careful with these until the details shake
out.
> I'll update the images when things change.
>
> Hope somebody finds these helpful.
>
> David H
> Boeing Field (BFI), Seattle, WA
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Visit the Pacific Northwest Flying forum:
> http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/pnwflying
>
> PS: Looks like we will be getting a vice presidential fundraiser TFR in
Seattle
> on Jan 13th - watch for details.
>
>
>
> C J Campbell wrote:
>
> > The Puget Sound and Hermiston TFRs were rescinded at 11:49 1/9/04 and
> > replaced with National Security Areas, possibly as a prelude to
permanent
> > publication. Jeppesen Flitestar is still showing the old TFRs, however,
and
> > since the Jepp engine is the one that the FAA and AOPA use on their web
> > sites I would advise caution when flying in these areas. Also, the new
NSA
> > NOTAMs do not specifically say that the old TFRs are rescinded, although
> > there is a series of FDC NOTAMS that say this, referencing the new
NOTAMS.
> > The new NOTAMS do not look like they are accurately plotted. In
particular,
> > the Bremerton NSA does not cover the shipyard and the Everett NSA is out
in
> > the middle of the Sound. Seattle FSS has noticed this and is seeking
> > clarification.
> >
> > The new NSAs are much smaller, but the Bangor NSA no longer has a cutout
for
> > Apex. The ceilings for the NSAs are mostly 100 feet lower than the old
TFRs,
> > but the Hermiston NSA now only goes to 5000 feet instead of 10,000 feet.
> >
> > I would give it a day or so before just plunging into the area. It looks
> > like some changes are already in the works.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher J. Campbell
> > World Famous Flight Instructor
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
> > If you go around beating the Bush, don't complain if you rile the
animals.
>

[David Brooks]

Damn. I got a new sectional and TAC just after Christmas and dutifully drew
in the old restrictions.

Well, I don't really mean damn.

-- David Brooks

"David H" > wrote in message
...
> CJ,
>
> I've put up a preliminary map showing the new Puget Sound TFRs - and the
old
> ones for comparison - up on the Pacific Northwest Flying website. Direct
link
> here:
>
> http://www.smartgroups.com/vault/pnwflying/Public/tfrs/newoldtfrs.html
>
> (the images are somewhat large to show detail, sorry to those on slow
> connections)
>
> I used the info on the FAA's graphical TFR website, so this may or may not
be
> highly accurate. In any case, I think it does show the changes fairly
well.
> Now I guess we have to fight to keep these from becoming permanent.
>
> I agree that we all have to be careful with these until the details shake
out.
> I'll update the images when things change.
>
> Hope somebody finds these helpful.
>
> David H
> Boeing Field (BFI), Seattle, WA
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Visit the Pacific Northwest Flying forum:
> http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/pnwflying
>
> PS: Looks like we will be getting a vice presidential fundraiser TFR in
Seattle
> on Jan 13th - watch for details.
>
>
>
> C J Campbell wrote:
>
> > The Puget Sound and Hermiston TFRs were rescinded at 11:49 1/9/04 and
> > replaced with National Security Areas, possibly as a prelude to
permanent
> > publication. Jeppesen Flitestar is still showing the old TFRs, however,
and
> > since the Jepp engine is the one that the FAA and AOPA use on their web
> > sites I would advise caution when flying in these areas. Also, the new
NSA
> > NOTAMs do not specifically say that the old TFRs are rescinded, although
> > there is a series of FDC NOTAMS that say this, referencing the new
NOTAMS.
> > The new NOTAMS do not look like they are accurately plotted. In
particular,
> > the Bremerton NSA does not cover the shipyard and the Everett NSA is out
in
> > the middle of the Sound. Seattle FSS has noticed this and is seeking
> > clarification.
> >
> > The new NSAs are much smaller, but the Bangor NSA no longer has a cutout
for
> > Apex. The ceilings for the NSAs are mostly 100 feet lower than the old
TFRs,
> > but the Hermiston NSA now only goes to 5000 feet instead of 10,000 feet.
> >
> > I would give it a day or so before just plunging into the area. It looks
> > like some changes are already in the works.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher J. Campbell
> > World Famous Flight Instructor
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
> > If you go around beating the Bush, don't complain if you rile the
animals.
>

[Brian Burger]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, David H wrote:

> I've put up a preliminary map showing the new Puget Sound TFRs - and the
old
> ones for comparison - up on the Pacific Northwest Flying website.
Direct link
> here:
>
> http://www.smartgroups.com/vault/pnwflying/Public/tfrs/newoldtfrs.html

Excellent news; this will make wandering south from my part of Canada
(CYYJ) much easier.

(OK, OK. Not 'wandering' - but it'll still make Puget Sound flights easier
on the nerves.)

--
Brian.