CBS News Piece

[Philip Sondericker]

Okay, I just watched the story that seems to have everyone up in arms, and I
have to say, it was as ill-conceived and poorly thought out as many people
feared. A couple of quick points:

I actually found it somewhat humorous when the story mentioned the Florida
kid who stole an airplane and crashed it into a Tampa skyscraper. The intent
may have been to startle us with the destructive potential of GA aircraft,
but the accompanying picture was a hilarious counterpoint--a shot of a
massive skyscraper with just a tiny bit of damage, hardly even noticable
unless you were looking for it. The narrator, of course, missed the irony.

I also didn't feel that the airport manager they interviewed was very
helpful, but let's all keep in mind that he may have been answering
extremely leading questions, and who knows how much of what he said was
edited out.

Finally, the breathless speculation by the former NTSB official as to what
might happen if a small airplane was loaded with explosives was simply
irresponsible and willfully ignorant. He surely knows that September 11th
was the culmination of DECADES of planning and learning by terrorists. They
certainly considered every possibility for carrying out their plans,
carefully studied past terrorist attacks, and looked with extreme care at
which option had the best chance of working. And guess what? They didn't
choose small airplanes.

[Dave Stadt]

"Philip Sondericker" > wrote in message
...
> Okay, I just watched the story that seems to have everyone up in arms, and
I
> have to say, it was as ill-conceived and poorly thought out as many people
> feared. A couple of quick points:
>
> I actually found it somewhat humorous when the story mentioned the Florida
> kid who stole an airplane and crashed it into a Tampa skyscraper. The
intent
> may have been to startle us with the destructive potential of GA aircraft,
> but the accompanying picture was a hilarious counterpoint--a shot of a
> massive skyscraper with just a tiny bit of damage, hardly even noticable
> unless you were looking for it. The narrator, of course, missed the irony.
>
> I also didn't feel that the airport manager they interviewed was very
> helpful, but let's all keep in mind that he may have been answering
> extremely leading questions, and who knows how much of what he said was
> edited out.
>
> Finally, the breathless speculation by the former NTSB official as to what
> might happen if a small airplane was loaded with explosives was simply
> irresponsible and willfully ignorant.

After hearing him talk I understand why he is an EX NTSB official.

[Kevin Darling]

Philip Sondericker > wrote in message >...
> Okay, I just watched the story that seems to have everyone up in arms, and I
> have to say, it was as ill-conceived and poorly thought out as many people
> feared.

Yes, I'm sure the airport manager was edited.

It's a pity that network news has degenerated into this kind of
quickie crap. 40,000 people killed each year on US highways...
that's not news. The possibility of using a small plane to kill
dozens... that is.

Re: "Ohmigod passengers and baggage aren't screened!" They forget
that small airplanes are like small cars... passengers usually are
your friends. Do car drivers x-ray their relatives' luggage?

Just wait. Next they'll figure out that there are zillions of radio
controlled airplanes (!!) out there in the hands of teenagers, which
could be "packed with explosives". Yep, the RC danger is real,
folks.

[Dave Stadt]

"Kevin Darling" > wrote in message
om...
> Philip Sondericker > wrote in message
>...
> > Okay, I just watched the story that seems to have everyone up in arms,
and I
> > have to say, it was as ill-conceived and poorly thought out as many
people
> > feared.
>
> Yes, I'm sure the airport manager was edited.
>
> It's a pity that network news has degenerated into this kind of
> quickie crap. 40,000 people killed each year on US highways...
> that's not news. The possibility of using a small plane to kill
> dozens... that is.
>
> Re: "Ohmigod passengers and baggage aren't screened!" They forget
> that small airplanes are like small cars... passengers usually are
> your friends. Do car drivers x-ray their relatives' luggage?
>
> Just wait. Next they'll figure out that there are zillions of radio
> controlled airplanes (!!) out there in the hands of teenagers, which
> could be "packed with explosives". Yep, the RC danger is real,
> folks.

Actually RC planes have been grounded at certain places and times due to
terrorist fears. I am sure Osama got a heck of a good laugh over that one.

[Roger Long]

Don't forget almanacs!

--
Roger Long

Kevin Darling > wrote in message
om...
> Philip Sondericker > wrote in message
>...
> > Okay, I just watched the story that seems to have everyone up in arms,
and I
> > have to say, it was as ill-conceived and poorly thought out as many
people
> > feared.
>
> Yes, I'm sure the airport manager was edited.
>
> It's a pity that network news has degenerated into this kind of
> quickie crap. 40,000 people killed each year on US highways...
> that's not news. The possibility of using a small plane to kill
> dozens... that is.
>
> Re: "Ohmigod passengers and baggage aren't screened!" They forget
> that small airplanes are like small cars... passengers usually are
> your friends. Do car drivers x-ray their relatives' luggage?
>
> Just wait. Next they'll figure out that there are zillions of radio
> controlled airplanes (!!) out there in the hands of teenagers, which
> could be "packed with explosives". Yep, the RC danger is real,
> folks.

[Kevin Darling]

Philip Sondericker > wrote in message >...
> I actually found it somewhat humorous when the story mentioned the Florida
> kid who stole an airplane and crashed it into a Tampa skyscraper. The intent
> may have been to startle us with the destructive potential of GA aircraft,
> but the accompanying picture was a hilarious counterpoint--a shot of a
> massive skyscraper with just a tiny bit of damage, hardly even noticable
> unless you were looking for it. The narrator, of course, missed the irony.

And the narrator's "They were powerless to stop it!".

They had a helicopter flying alongside... they just didn't feel it was
necessary to shoot down a teenage student pilot. Neither did the USAF
when he flew over their base beforehand.

It sure would be nice if CBS did a balanced piece showing how
important GA is to such things as getting donor organs to people on
time, moving packages and checks, etc.

[John Harlow]

> Okay, I just watched the story that seems to have everyone up in
> arms,

Here's the whole thing straight from the horse's ass...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/14/eveningnews/main593216.shtml

Does anyone know this John Trissel fellow? I'd like to know what he
*really* said.

[CFLav8r]

"John Harlow"
> Does anyone know this John Trissel fellow? I'd like to > know what he
*really* said.

I don't know what he really said but after a short search on the internet I
found the
following websites:
John Trissel / Chase Trissel are both managers at : Eagles Nest Flight
Service
http://www.eaglesnest.aero/

And let us not forget the pretty realestate agent, Lesley Hock.
She is the one that I feel sorry for because I believe she was trying to
sell
the benefits of the airpark, not its shortcomings. CBS with editing turned
that all around. Otherwise why would she have a website selling you on the
area?
http://www.lesleyhock.com/


David

[Gene Seibel]

When I get into my airplane, I always screen myself by asking the two
important questions - Has your luggage been in your possession at all
times? Has anyone given you anything or asked you to carry on or check
any items for them? Then on random days I take my shoes off.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.






(Kevin Darling) wrote in message >...
> Philip Sondericker > wrote in message >...
> > Okay, I just watched the story that seems to have everyone up in arms, and I
> > have to say, it was as ill-conceived and poorly thought out as many people
> > feared.
>
> Yes, I'm sure the airport manager was edited.
>
> It's a pity that network news has degenerated into this kind of
> quickie crap. 40,000 people killed each year on US highways...
> that's not news. The possibility of using a small plane to kill
> dozens... that is.
>
> Re: "Ohmigod passengers and baggage aren't screened!" They forget
> that small airplanes are like small cars... passengers usually are
> your friends. Do car drivers x-ray their relatives' luggage?
>
> Just wait. Next they'll figure out that there are zillions of radio
> controlled airplanes (!!) out there in the hands of teenagers, which
> could be "packed with explosives". Yep, the RC danger is real,
> folks.

[Peter R.]

Gene Seibel ) wrote:

> When I get into my airplane, I always screen myself by asking the two
> important questions - Has your luggage been in your possession at all
> times? Has anyone given you anything or asked you to carry on or check
> any items for them? Then on random days I take my shoes off.

LOL! What about occasionally performing a random orifice inspection?


--
Peter












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[G.R. Patterson III]

Kevin Darling wrote:
>
> Just wait. Next they'll figure out that there are zillions of radio
> controlled airplanes (!!) out there in the hands of teenagers, which
> could be "packed with explosives". Yep, the RC danger is real,
> folks.

They already eliminated amateur rocketry.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[David Brooks]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Kevin Darling wrote:
> >
> > Just wait. Next they'll figure out that there are zillions of radio
> > controlled airplanes (!!) out there in the hands of teenagers, which
> > could be "packed with explosives". Yep, the RC danger is real,
> > folks.
>
> They already eliminated amateur rocketry.

My rocketing buddy says:

Nope, not at all! The reality is that Rocketry would be an incredibly
expensive, inaccurate and clumsy way of doing anything terrorist like.
Anyway, "model" rockets have no new restrictions. Shipping and storing
propellant that weights more than 62.5 grams has some additional
bureaucratic restrictions but (as my pictures on my office prove) is still
very, very common and able to be done.

The "incredibly expensive, inaccurate and clumsy" part should sound
familiar.

Or did you means amateur rocketry of the Saturn V class?

-- David Brooks

[Paul Missman]

My aircraft is based at Eagles Nest. I wasn't there when CBS was there, but
I spoke with John the next day, before the story aired. Here are the facts
as I know them.

CBS set this up a couple weeks back, saying they were doing a story on air
parks. It wasn't until they arrived that they said they were doing a story
on poor security in General Aviation.

Everything John said defending General Aviation was edited out. There were
no pictures of the large gate out front with the usual "Pilots and
Passengers Only Beyond This Point" sign.

CBS told their story with voice overs, and the interview with the (ex-NTSB?)
employee.

This "story" isn't representative of Eagles Nest, air parks, or General
Aviation.

It is, unfortunately, characteristic of what we get fed as "news" nowadays
by the media. It is sickening, but as long as it brings in big profits for
the media outlets, this is probably what we will continue to get.

Paul Missman



"CFLav8r" > wrote in message
m...
> "John Harlow"
> > Does anyone know this John Trissel fellow? I'd like to > know what he
> *really* said.
>
> I don't know what he really said but after a short search on the internet
I
> found the
> following websites:
> John Trissel / Chase Trissel are both managers at : Eagles Nest Flight
> Service
> http://www.eaglesnest.aero/
>
> And let us not forget the pretty realestate agent, Lesley Hock.
> She is the one that I feel sorry for because I believe she was trying to
> sell
> the benefits of the airpark, not its shortcomings. CBS with editing
turned
> that all around. Otherwise why would she have a website selling you on the
> area?
> http://www.lesleyhock.com/
>
>
> David
>
>

[CFLav8r]

"Paul Missman" wrote in message
> My aircraft is based at Eagles Nest. I wasn't there when CBS was there,
but
> I spoke with John the next day, before the story aired. Here are the
facts
> as I know them.
>
> CBS set this up a couple weeks back, saying they were doing a story on air
> parks. It wasn't until they arrived that they said they were doing a
story
> on poor security in General Aviation.
>
> Everything John said defending General Aviation was edited out. There
were
> no pictures of the large gate out front with the usual "Pilots and
> Passengers Only Beyond This Point" sign.
>
> CBS told their story with voice overs, and the interview with the
(ex-NTSB?)
> employee.
>
> This "story" isn't representative of Eagles Nest, air parks, or General
> Aviation.
>
> It is, unfortunately, characteristic of what we get fed as "news" nowadays
> by the media. It is sickening, but as long as it brings in big profits
for
> the media outlets, this is probably what we will continue to get.
>
> Paul Missman

Thanks for clearing things up Paul.
I figured as much. In my past experience with the media, I have found that
they are there to make their own story using real people but their own
fabricated facts.

David

[G.R. Patterson III]

David Brooks wrote:
>
> Or did you means amateur rocketry of the Saturn V class?

Nope, I had just read of new (circa 2002) restrictions on the solid-fuel rocket
engines we used to buy for my stepson. Glad to hear that was overhyped.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[ET]

"Paul Missman" > wrote in
:

>
> My aircraft is based at Eagles Nest. I wasn't there when CBS was
> there, but I spoke with John the next day, before the story aired.
> Here are the facts as I know them.
>
> CBS set this up a couple weeks back, saying they were doing a story on
> air parks. It wasn't until they arrived that they said they were
> doing a story on poor security in General Aviation.
>
> Everything John said defending General Aviation was edited out. There
> were no pictures of the large gate out front with the usual "Pilots
> and Passengers Only Beyond This Point" sign.
>
> CBS told their story with voice overs, and the interview with the
> (ex-NTSB?) employee.
>
> This "story" isn't representative of Eagles Nest, air parks, or
> General Aviation.
>
> It is, unfortunately, characteristic of what we get fed as "news"
> nowadays by the media. It is sickening, but as long as it brings in
> big profits for the media outlets, this is probably what we will
> continue to get.
>
> Paul Missman
>
>
>

You and or the airpart manager (John?) should contact someone at FoxNews
with this, their morning show loves to air this kind of stuff to show how
the other networks are not as "fair and balanced" as they are.....

--
ET >:)


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

[Casey Wilson]

FYI -- Andrew Hayward is the president of CBS News, his email address is

[S Herman]

> When I get into my airplane, I always screen myself by asking the two
> important questions - Has your luggage been in your possession at all
> times? Has anyone given you anything or asked you to carry on or check
> any items for them? Then on random days I take my shoes off.
> --
> Gene Seibel

This is great! My father in law is very anxious to go flying with me as
soon as I get the PPL (shortly is the plan :-) ). We often have
discussions in the areas of politics - I am a libertarian sort of guy,
and he thinks the government can do no wrong. When I do the pax briefing
about safety & emergency procedures i am going to ask him to remove his
shoes - it's a new regulation! I'm laughing already.

[Brooks Hagenow]

"Paul Missman" > wrote in message
...
>
> My aircraft is based at Eagles Nest. I wasn't there when CBS was there,
but
> I spoke with John the next day, before the story aired. Here are the
facts
> as I know them.
>
> CBS set this up a couple weeks back, saying they were doing a story on air
> parks. It wasn't until they arrived that they said they were doing a
story
> on poor security in General Aviation.
>
> Everything John said defending General Aviation was edited out. There
were
> no pictures of the large gate out front with the usual "Pilots and
> Passengers Only Beyond This Point" sign.
>
> CBS told their story with voice overs, and the interview with the
(ex-NTSB?)
> employee.
>
> This "story" isn't representative of Eagles Nest, air parks, or General
> Aviation.
>
> It is, unfortunately, characteristic of what we get fed as "news" nowadays
> by the media. It is sickening, but as long as it brings in big profits
for
> the media outlets, this is probably what we will continue to get.
>
> Paul Missman
>

Anyone besides me a Babylon 5 junky? Season 4, episode 8 titled "The
Illusion of Truth" was exactly this. Interstellare Network (ISN) did a
story on the Babylon 5 station and through editing made it look like an
aweful place run by a mentally ill commander and staffed by a corrupt crew.
And yet that episode of a science fiction show that aired for the first time
on 2-17-1997 mirrors exactly that is happening in the media today.

Makes me wonder at what point can the networks be held for slander. If you
say GA is safe, and CBS does its editing magic turning your meaning around
to say it is a security risk, why can't you file a lawsuit against them for
slander because they broadcast you on national TV after distorting your
message to fit their goals? What you mean is more important than what you
say. If I was interviewed and they chopped up the interview and played
clips out of context in a way that changed the meaning of what I said, to me
that is slander. They would be presenting a message I had not intended and
showing a point of view as if it were mine when it is not. Is that not a
definition of slander?

[CERoberts]

You mean like this?

"Anyone besides me a ...junky? ...The...Network ... station ... an aweful
place run by a mentally ill ...corrupt crew.
And yet that ...is happening in the media today.

Makes me wonder ... If ... CBS ...is a security risk...on national TV ...?
What you mean is ...what you
say. If I ...chopped up the interview and played
clips out of context in a way that changed the meaning ...I ... would be
presenting a message I ...intended and
showing ...slander..."
>
>
Original post:

Anyone besides me a Babylon 5 junky? Season 4, episode 8 titled "The
Illusion of Truth" was exactly this. Interstellare Network (ISN) did a
story on the Babylon 5 station and through editing made it look like an
aweful place run by a mentally ill commander and staffed by a corrupt crew.
And yet that episode of a science fiction show that aired for the first time
on 2-17-1997 mirrors exactly that is happening in the media today.

Makes me wonder at what point can the networks be held for slander. If you
say GA is safe, and CBS does its editing magic turning your meaning around
to say it is a security risk, why can't you file a lawsuit against them for
slander because they broadcast you on national TV after distorting your
message to fit their goals? What you mean is more important than what you
say. If I was interviewed and they chopped up the interview and played
clips out of context in a way that changed the meaning of what I said, to me
that is slander. They would be presenting a message I had not intended and
showing a point of view as if it were mine when it is not. Is that not a
definition of slander?

[Adam K.]

Babylon 5 Rocks!

Season 4 just became available on DVD.

JMS is second only to Roddenberry.

AK

"Brooks Hagenow" > wrote in message >...
> "Paul Missman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > My aircraft is based at Eagles Nest. I wasn't there when CBS was there,
> but
> > I spoke with John the next day, before the story aired. Here are the
> facts
> > as I know them.
> >
> > CBS set this up a couple weeks back, saying they were doing a story on air
> > parks. It wasn't until they arrived that they said they were doing a
> story
> > on poor security in General Aviation.
> >
> > Everything John said defending General Aviation was edited out. There
> were
> > no pictures of the large gate out front with the usual "Pilots and
> > Passengers Only Beyond This Point" sign.
> >
> > CBS told their story with voice overs, and the interview with the
> (ex-NTSB?)
> > employee.
> >
> > This "story" isn't representative of Eagles Nest, air parks, or General
> > Aviation.
> >
> > It is, unfortunately, characteristic of what we get fed as "news" nowadays
> > by the media. It is sickening, but as long as it brings in big profits
> for
> > the media outlets, this is probably what we will continue to get.
> >
> > Paul Missman
> >
>
> Anyone besides me a Babylon 5 junky? Season 4, episode 8 titled "The
> Illusion of Truth" was exactly this. Interstellare Network (ISN) did a
> story on the Babylon 5 station and through editing made it look like an
> aweful place run by a mentally ill commander and staffed by a corrupt crew.
> And yet that episode of a science fiction show that aired for the first time
> on 2-17-1997 mirrors exactly that is happening in the media today.
>
> Makes me wonder at what point can the networks be held for slander. If you
> say GA is safe, and CBS does its editing magic turning your meaning around
> to say it is a security risk, why can't you file a lawsuit against them for
> slander because they broadcast you on national TV after distorting your
> message to fit their goals? What you mean is more important than what you
> say. If I was interviewed and they chopped up the interview and played
> clips out of context in a way that changed the meaning of what I said, to me
> that is slander. They would be presenting a message I had not intended and
> showing a point of view as if it were mine when it is not. Is that not a
> definition of slander?

[Roger Halstead]

>
>Anyone besides me a Babylon 5 junky? Season 4, episode 8 titled "The
>Illusion of Truth" was exactly this. Interstellare Network (ISN) did a
>story on the Babylon 5 station and through editing made it look like an
>aweful place run by a mentally ill commander and staffed by a corrupt crew.
>And yet that episode of a science fiction show that aired for the first time
>on 2-17-1997 mirrors exactly that is happening in the media today.

I watched the original and the again on the sci-fi channel

>
>Makes me wonder at what point can the networks be held for slander. If you
>say GA is safe, and CBS does its editing magic turning your meaning around
>to say it is a security risk, why can't you file a lawsuit against them for
>slander because they broadcast you on national TV after distorting your
>message to fit their goals? What you mean is more important than what you
>say. If I was interviewed and they chopped up the interview and played
>clips out of context in a way that changed the meaning of what I said, to me
>that is slander. They would be presenting a message I had not intended and
>showing a point of view as if it were mine when it is not. Is that not a
>definition of slander?

That *might* be worth pursuing to the FCC.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

>

[CERoberts]

You mean like this?

"Anyone besides me a ...junky? ...The...Network ... station ... an aweful
place run by a mentally ill ...corrupt crew.
And yet that ...is happening in the media today.

Makes me wonder ... If ... CBS ...is a security risk...on national TV ...?
What you mean is ...what you
say. If I ...chopped up the interview and played
clips out of context in a way that changed the meaning ...I ... would be
presenting a message I ...intended and
showing ...slander..."
>
>
Original post:

Anyone besides me a Babylon 5 junky? Season 4, episode 8 titled "The
Illusion of Truth" was exactly this. Interstellare Network (ISN) did a
story on the Babylon 5 station and through editing made it look like an
aweful place run by a mentally ill commander and staffed by a corrupt crew.
And yet that episode of a science fiction show that aired for the first time
on 2-17-1997 mirrors exactly that is happening in the media today.

Makes me wonder at what point can the networks be held for slander. If you
say GA is safe, and CBS does its editing magic turning your meaning around
to say it is a security risk, why can't you file a lawsuit against them for
slander because they broadcast you on national TV after distorting your
message to fit their goals? What you mean is more important than what you
say. If I was interviewed and they chopped up the interview and played
clips out of context in a way that changed the meaning of what I said, to me
that is slander. They would be presenting a message I had not intended and
showing a point of view as if it were mine when it is not. Is that not a
definition of slander?

[Rosspilot]

>why can't you file a lawsuit against them for
>>slander because they broadcast you on national TV after distorting your
>>message to fit their goals?

Anybody can file a lawsuit against anybody else at any time for any reason.

Financing the suit and the likelihood of prevailing are the critical factors.


www.Rosspilot.com