The Osgood File is hitting us too

[Jay Masino]

It seems as though Charles Osgood has picked up on the anti-GA CBS news
story and is broadcasting it on his "Osgood File" on the radio (he's also
part of the CBS radio network). Here's the transcript from his site...

http://www.theosgoodfile.com/osgood/thu3.htm

--- Jay


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[Peter Gottlieb]

Find all the sponsors of that program and let's start a major letter
campaign to them.

Why should we support companies that support programs that want to take away
our freedoms?

Treasonous behavious. CBS should be ashamed at themselves.


"Jay Masino" > wrote in message
...
> It seems as though Charles Osgood has picked up on the anti-GA CBS news
> story and is broadcasting it on his "Osgood File" on the radio (he's also
> part of the CBS radio network). Here's the transcript from his site...
>
> http://www.theosgoodfile.com/osgood/thu3.htm
>
> --- Jay
>
>
> --
> __!__
> Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___
> http://www2.ari.net/jmasino/ ! ! !
>
> Checkout http://www.oc-adolfos.com/
> for the best Italian food in Ocean City, MD and...
> Checkout http://www.brolow.com/ for authentic Blues music on Delmarva
>

[Roger Halstead]

Nah...Well maybe, but send a letter to the FCC suggesting they not
renew their license due to lying in news stories in a manner contrary
to public interest and homeland security.

What they did was to try and stir up the populace rather than calm
their fears as is one of the goals of Homeland security.

BTW, Were't they the network that was sued when it came to the story
about side impacts and fires on...I believe it was SUVs, or trucks?

Last I heard if the FCC receives a formal complaint about a station
they are required to investigate and the station has to respond in a
well thought out and documented fashion. When it comes to a network
I'd think it doubly so.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Gene Seibel]

Sending letters to CBS and sponsors is good. But - I doubt that pilots
are a large enough group to have much effect on CBS or sponsors.
Ratings numbers are king. CBS will always have a large audience of
mind numbed robots soaking up their garbage. Being in the TV business
myself, I have heard many groups make big statements about boycotts
and they have basically all fizzled because Americans have a short
attention span and no discipline. A boycott is fine until a person is
in a store and needs a product. Human nature in private decisions is
to satisfy ones wants instead of sticking to principles. Sponsors know
this.

I believe one thing we can do is talk to other pilots and people in
aviaton about the danger of talking to the media. Again, we are
fighting human nature and the dream of being a TV star, but they are
one group we may be able to get to. Pilots are an independent bunch,
and there are a lot of rogue, lone ranger pilots that are not a part
of any organized groups. We need to track them down and tactfully
explain what damage has and can be done by loose lips.

My two cents worth.
--
Gene Seibel
Secure Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html#security
Because I fly, I envy no one.






"Peter Gottlieb" > wrote in message >...
> Find all the sponsors of that program and let's start a major letter
> campaign to them.
>
> Why should we support companies that support programs that want to take away
> our freedoms?
>
> Treasonous behavious. CBS should be ashamed at themselves.
>
>
> "Jay Masino" > wrote in message
> ...
> > It seems as though Charles Osgood has picked up on the anti-GA CBS news
> > story and is broadcasting it on his "Osgood File" on the radio (he's also
> > part of the CBS radio network). Here's the transcript from his site...
> >
> > http://www.theosgoodfile.com/osgood/thu3.htm
> >
> > --- Jay
> >
> >
> > --
> > __!__
> > Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___
> > http://www2.ari.net/jmasino/ ! ! !
> >
> > Checkout http://www.oc-adolfos.com/
> > for the best Italian food in Ocean City, MD and...
> > Checkout http://www.brolow.com/ for authentic Blues music on Delmarva
> >

[Jeb]

"Peter Gottlieb" > wrote in message >...
> Find all the sponsors of that program and let's start a major letter
> campaign to them.
>
> Why should we support companies that support programs that want to take away
> our freedoms?
>
> Treasonous behavious. CBS should be ashamed at themselves.
>
>

well you vote for politicians who do the same so what?

[Peter Gottlieb]

"Jeb" > wrote in message
om...
>
> > Treasonous behavious. CBS should be ashamed at themselves.
> >
> >
>
> well you vote for politicians who do the same so what?

Yeah, like who did I vote for?

[StellaStar]

>I believe one thing we can do is talk to other pilots and people in
>aviaton about the danger of talking to the media.

Completely wrong. It's nonpilots talking to the media who give out
misinformation, and it's up to you to counter it. Reporters are always looking
for credible sources to give them valid facts. If you decline, you leave the
field to the liars. You're doing the subject a disservice if you deliberately
skip the opportunity to correct the record.

[Judah]

I like that idea. Let's get AOPA to write the letter...

Roger Halstead > wrote in
:

> Nah...Well maybe, but send a letter to the FCC suggesting they not
> renew their license due to lying in news stories in a manner contrary
> to public interest and homeland security.
>
> What they did was to try and stir up the populace rather than calm
> their fears as is one of the goals of Homeland security.
>
> BTW, Were't they the network that was sued when it came to the story
> about side impacts and fires on...I believe it was SUVs, or trucks?
>
> Last I heard if the FCC receives a formal complaint about a station
> they are required to investigate and the station has to respond in a
> well thought out and documented fashion. When it comes to a network
> I'd think it doubly so.
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com

[Gene Seibel]

I didn't see the CBS piece, but below is what was posted on this group
regarding John, who is the MANAGER of an airpark. Those in aviaton
need to be educated about what the media does.
~~~~~
CBS set this up a couple weeks back, saying they were doing a story on
air
parks. It wasn't until they arrived that they said they were doing a
story
on poor security in General Aviation.
Everything John said defending General Aviation was edited out. There
were
no pictures of the large gate out front with the usual "Pilots and
Passengers Only Beyond This Point" sign.
CBS told their story with voice overs, and the interview with the
(ex-NTSB?)
employee.
This "story" isn't representative of Eagles Nest, air parks, or
General
Aviation.
It is, unfortunately, characteristic of what we get fed as "news"
nowadays
by the media. It is sickening, but as long as it brings in big
profits for
the media outlets, this is probably what we will continue to get.
~~~~~~~
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.









(StellaStar) wrote in message >...
> >I believe one thing we can do is talk to other pilots and people in
> >aviaton about the danger of talking to the media.
>
> Completely wrong. It's nonpilots talking to the media who give out
> misinformation, and it's up to you to counter it. Reporters are always looking
> for credible sources to give them valid facts. If you decline, you leave the
> field to the liars. You're doing the subject a disservice if you deliberately
> skip the opportunity to correct the record.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"StellaStar" > wrote in message
...
> >I believe one thing we can do is talk to other pilots and people in
> >aviaton about the danger of talking to the media.
>
> Completely wrong. It's nonpilots talking to the media who give out
> misinformation, and it's up to you to counter it. Reporters are always
looking
> for credible sources to give them valid facts.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....sniff, that was hilarious, Stella!

> If you decline, you leave the
> field to the liars. You're doing the subject a disservice if you
deliberately
> skip the opportunity to correct the record.

Snort!!

[C J Campbell]

"StellaStar" > wrote in message
...
| >I believe one thing we can do is talk to other pilots and people in
| >aviaton about the danger of talking to the media.
|
| Completely wrong. It's nonpilots talking to the media who give out
| misinformation, and it's up to you to counter it. Reporters are always
looking
| for credible sources to give them valid facts. If you decline, you leave
the
| field to the liars. You're doing the subject a disservice if you
deliberately
| skip the opportunity to correct the record.

Completely wrong. The media will not air rational responses from pilots or
anybody else. 'Experts' are hand-picked to promote the reporters' agenda.

I have dealt with the media for more than 30 years. They have *never* in all
that time retracted anything they had to say or aired anything that
contradicted their point of view.

There is no opportunity to correct the record.

[G.R. Patterson III]

StellaStar wrote:
>
> Completely wrong. It's nonpilots talking to the media who give out
> misinformation, and it's up to you to counter it.

No, it's reporters who twist what you say to make it seem that you said the
opposite. Talk to them, and you've just given them a "reputable source" for
their argument.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[StellaStar]

CJ Campbell (always) says: >The media will not air rational responses...

Look, my point is just that some restraint is called for. Pilots are the people
who get drunk and fly over controlled airspace and nuclear power plants, as
accurately reported in the media this week. The media do a deplorable job of
ginning up sensational stories, as proven by a throwaway time-filler CBS
mini-piece this week. But not always. Not even most of the time.

Go ahead and holler about this awful story. I am. But to go on and presume
from that that all "the media," from Kitplanes to the Enquirer to Reuters are
always despicable liars about everything is an overreaction.

Get it out of your system. But if you're going to maintain that they're all
that bad, don't ever again quote us a story you got from any newspaper, tv or
radio report anywhere. If you didn't see it happen, there's no reason to foist
on people a secondhand report you acquired from The Media.

That's my last rant on the subject. For now. Here.

[C J Campbell]

"StellaStar" > wrote in message
...
|
| Get it out of your system. But if you're going to maintain that they're
all
| that bad, don't ever again quote us a story you got from any newspaper, tv
or
| radio report anywhere. If you didn't see it happen, there's no reason to
foist
| on people a secondhand report you acquired from The Media.

Don't get snotty and start splitting hairs with me. You and I both know what
we are talking about in referring to the media. Look, you want to play word
games, fine.

That does not change the fact that there is a serious problem here, or that
Dan Rather or anybody else from a major network is going to give you equal
time to air your opinion, no matter how nice or cooperative you are.

Sure, fine, somebody from AOPA or Kitplanes wants to talk to me, I might
give him the time of day. But please don't pretend that that is what we were
talking about.

[Gene Seibel]

Technically they broadcast facts. But there is spin and manipulation
of the facts. I and many other pilots fly over nuclear power plants
every day. It's a non-issue until CBS puts it in a context designed to
cause fear. Yes, one pilot may have gotten drunk, (and I'm not sure
that wasn't speculation), and flown around in controlled airspace.
What about equal coverage of the 800,000 pilots that didn't do that?
Or equal coverage of the 400 drunk drivers that killed people last
week? Facts can be broadcast very irresponsibly.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.


(StellaStar) wrote in message >...
> CJ Campbell (always) says: >The media will not air rational responses...
>
> Look, my point is just that some restraint is called for. Pilots are the people
> who get drunk and fly over controlled airspace and nuclear power plants, as
> accurately reported in the media this week. The media do a deplorable job of
> ginning up sensational stories, as proven by a throwaway time-filler CBS
> mini-piece this week. But not always. Not even most of the time.
>
> Go ahead and holler about this awful story. I am. But to go on and presume
> from that that all "the media," from Kitplanes to the Enquirer to Reuters are
> always despicable liars about everything is an overreaction.
>
> Get it out of your system. But if you're going to maintain that they're all
> that bad, don't ever again quote us a story you got from any newspaper, tv or
> radio report anywhere. If you didn't see it happen, there's no reason to foist
> on people a secondhand report you acquired from The Media.
>
> That's my last rant on the subject. For now. Here.

[Peter Gottlieb]

What I sent to CBS:

Dear Sirs,

I am shocked and dismayed that an organization such as yours would air such
a piece. What you have done is akin to yelling "FIRE" in a room full of
skittish people, just to draw attention to yourself.

This report was so full of errors that it is obvious that no proper research
was done in its preparation.

You have done a disservice to your viewing public. There is a tremendous
amount of work being done in all levels of government to attempt to
accurately assess risks and deal with them in an effective manner (in many
cases without fanfare), but by airing such a report you induce politicians
to interfere with this process and possibly divert needed resources from
real issues to ones where the true risk has been determined to be very low
and has already been dealt with in ways you do not see.

If you do some real research, interview knowledgeable people, and check your
facts and then determine that there is a security hole, I would be happy if
you quietly report it to the proper authorities. If they do not adequately
respond, then it may be your duty to report that publicly. But to air such
an incomplete, poorly researched, sensationalistic piece has in my opinion
crossed the line and represents irresponsible behavior.

Sirs, I am questioning your fitness as a broadcaster and will address this
directly with the FCC shortly.







"Gene Seibel" > wrote in message
om...
> Technically they broadcast facts. But there is spin and manipulation
> of the facts. I and many other pilots fly over nuclear power plants
> every day. It's a non-issue until CBS puts it in a context designed to
> cause fear. Yes, one pilot may have gotten drunk, (and I'm not sure
> that wasn't speculation), and flown around in controlled airspace.
> What about equal coverage of the 800,000 pilots that didn't do that?
> Or equal coverage of the 400 drunk drivers that killed people last
> week? Facts can be broadcast very irresponsibly.
> --
> Gene Seibel
> Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
> Because I fly, I envy no one.
>
>
> (StellaStar) wrote in message
>...
> > CJ Campbell (always) says: >The media will not air rational responses...
> >
> > Look, my point is just that some restraint is called for. Pilots are the
people
> > who get drunk and fly over controlled airspace and nuclear power plants,
as
> > accurately reported in the media this week. The media do a deplorable
job of
> > ginning up sensational stories, as proven by a throwaway time-filler CBS
> > mini-piece this week. But not always. Not even most of the time.
> >
> > Go ahead and holler about this awful story. I am. But to go on and
presume
> > from that that all "the media," from Kitplanes to the Enquirer to
Reuters are
> > always despicable liars about everything is an overreaction.
> >
> > Get it out of your system. But if you're going to maintain that they're
all
> > that bad, don't ever again quote us a story you got from any newspaper,
tv or
> > radio report anywhere. If you didn't see it happen, there's no reason
to foist
> > on people a secondhand report you acquired from The Media.
> >
> > That's my last rant on the subject. For now. Here.

[Larry Dighera]

On 18 Jan 2004 16:14:38 -0800, (Gene Seibel) wrote in
Message-Id: >:

>... and flown around in controlled airspace.
>What about equal coverage of the 800,000 pilots that didn't do that?

What of the military pilot who, on November 16, 2000, lead his flight
in excess of 450 knots through busy Miami Class B and Tampa C airspace
without a clearance ending in a midair collision with a Cessna 172
under positive air traffic control and its ATP rated flight instructor
pilot scattered over four acres of golf course?* The Associated Press
reported that the military found verbal reprimand to be appropriate
reprimand for the irresponsible conduct of the lead airman whose
unbelievable hubris left the Cessna pilot's daughter an orphan. Did
CBS News report the lack of criminal due process in that case of
homicide and abuse of power?

Did they inform the flying public of the danger they face daily from
the threat of our own military pilots? Did they expose the lax
punishment imposed by the military? Does CBS News practice fair and
impartial journalism?

Perhaps it's time someone put up some cash for an Anti-Pulitzer Prize
award, or at least a web site exposing these breaches of public trust


*
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20001212X22313&ntsbno=MIA01FA028A&akey=1