We lost a Caravan -9 dead

[Marc Lattoni]

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/01/17/plane_erie_040117

[Roger Halstead]

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 04:05:33 GMT, "Marc Lattoni"
> wrote:

>http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/01/17/plane_erie_040117

All I get is "Connection Refused by www.cbc.ca ".

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>

[StellaStar]

Marc Lattoni alerts:>http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/01/17/plane_erie_040117

"A boat from the Detroit area was also sent to the crash site, and Canadian
military officials helped co-ordinate the operation. But helicopters from CFB
Trenton were unable to fly to Pelee Island because of a winter storm. "

Think the weather was kind of bad for flying?
Whatever investigation turns up, we're safe and warm while hearing the sorry
news. My heart goes out to all the victims and their loved ones.

[C J Campbell]

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040118/D8051KK80.html

The airline president says the weather probably had nothing to do with it.
He feels the Caravan can handle any kind of weather.

Other pilots report that it was 20 degrees and freezing drizzle at the time
with low ceilings.

If equipped with de-icing boots the Caravan is certified for known ice, but
Cessna says that the plane should not be flown for more than a few minutes
in icing conditions even so.

[Cockpit Colin]

We lost one a few years back due to icing.


"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
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> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040118/D8051KK80.html
>
> The airline president says the weather probably had nothing to do with it.
> He feels the Caravan can handle any kind of weather.
>
> Other pilots report that it was 20 degrees and freezing drizzle at the
time
> with low ceilings.
>
> If equipped with de-icing boots the Caravan is certified for known ice,
but
> Cessna says that the plane should not be flown for more than a few minutes
> in icing conditions even so.
>
>
>

[Jordan]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:18:14 -0800, "C J Campbell"
> wrote:

>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040118/D8051KK80.html
>
>The airline president says the weather probably had nothing to do with it.
>He feels the Caravan can handle any kind of weather.
>
>Other pilots report that it was 20 degrees and freezing drizzle at the time
>with low ceilings.
>
>If equipped with de-icing boots the Caravan is certified for known ice, but
>Cessna says that the plane should not be flown for more than a few minutes
>in icing conditions even so.
>
>

According to some pilots the airport he was departing has few
services, including de-icing. No disrepect to those involved this is a
brutal loss.

[Dan Thomas]

"Cockpit Colin" > wrote in message >...
> We lost one a few years back due to icing.
>
>
> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040118/D8051KK80.html
> >
> > The airline president says the weather probably had nothing to do with it.
> > He feels the Caravan can handle any kind of weather.
> >
> > Other pilots report that it was 20 degrees and freezing drizzle at the
> time
> > with low ceilings.
> >
> > If equipped with de-icing boots the Caravan is certified for known ice,
> but
> > Cessna says that the plane should not be flown for more than a few minutes
> > in icing conditions even so.
> >
> >
> >

An Alaskan bush operator brought his Caravan through here a few
years ago, on his way to trade it off on a PC-12. Said the Caravan
wouldn't carry ice worth a hoot, making him turn back too often.

Dan

[Steve]

"Jordan" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:18:14 -0800, "C J Campbell"
> > wrote:

> According to some pilots the airport he was departing has few
> services, including de-icing. No disrepect to those involved this is a
> brutal loss.

The pilot took off from Pelee Island, which has NO services at all
(according to the Canadian Flight Supplement.)
I'm from Chatham, which is maybe 30 minutes flight from the island.
This is the second caravan lost in these parts in the past few years. Also,
a Cessna 172 was beat up pretty bad on the island about 3 years back. Pelee
Island is known for nasty winds and weather.

[Brien K. Meehan]

One of the local Detroit stations, WDIV, had extensive coverage of
this story as it was unfolding.

They covered the story without sensationalism or much speculation,
with telephone interviews of the US Coast Guard chapter at Grosse
Isle, and the Ontario Provincial Police.

Meterologist Paul Gross had a surprisingly ACCURATE description of
icing hazards in a low dewpoint spread (which was 0 at the time), and
supercooled droplets freezing and changing the shape of the airfoil.
The weather was okay for VFR flight earlier in the day, but was
degrading. Icing was the most popular speculation for the cause of
the crash shortly after it occurred.

[Andrew Sarangan]

ADDS was predicting high icing potential (> 75%) for the region on the
day of the accident. We had to cancel a flight even though the clouds
appeared to be just a thin broken layer.


"C J Campbell" > wrote in message >...
> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040118/D8051KK80.html
>
> The airline president says the weather probably had nothing to do with it.
> He feels the Caravan can handle any kind of weather.
>
> Other pilots report that it was 20 degrees and freezing drizzle at the time
> with low ceilings.
>
> If equipped with de-icing boots the Caravan is certified for known ice, but
> Cessna says that the plane should not be flown for more than a few minutes
> in icing conditions even so.

[Dennis O'Connor]

The worst ice I ever got into was one night near Pelee Island when a
controller insisted that I had to climb from 4000 and in the clear, to 8000
and in the clouds, with the icing level around 6500... I lasted about 3
minutes after reaching 8000 and after she flatly refused to allow me to go
lower, I declared an emergency and descended off the airway to melt the
ice... The Great Lakes ice machine will bite you if you are not wary...
denny
"Brien K. Meehan" > wrote in message
om...
> One of the local Detroit stations, WDIV, had extensive coverage of
> this story as it was unfolding.
>

[Steve]

Some more info on the crash...Supposedly the mayor of the island overheard
oe of the passenger's concerns about possible icing before the flight too
off. The pilot (once again, supposedly) said it was still OK to go.
"Marc Lattoni" > wrote in message
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[Ron Lee]

Icing is a real killer. It would be unfortunate if that turns out to
be the cause of the accident. It is also valid reason for anyone to
say NO to getting on a plane if they have concerns.

So what if you are delayed a day or more.

Ron Lee



"Steve" > wrote:

>Some more info on the crash...Supposedly the mayor of the island overheard
>oe of the passenger's concerns about possible icing before the flight too
>off. The pilot (once again, supposedly) said it was still OK to go.
>"Marc Lattoni" > wrote in message
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[Dennis O'Connor]

It's fine to discuss icing, which is a real problem in the Great Lakes, as
long as we keep it in perspective that the engine/prop/controls may have
failed in this particular crash....
denny
"Steve" > wrote in message
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> Some more info on the crash...Supposedly the mayor of the island overheard
> oe of the passenger's concerns about possible icing before the flight too
> off. The pilot (once again, supposedly) said it was still OK to go.
> "Marc Lattoni" > wrote in message
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