CBS and the airpark manager

[Cub Driver]

Under the category of "suspicions confirmed," you might like to read
this piece from the Aero-News email newsletter this morning:

John Trissel: I Was Ambushed By CBS
Eagle's Nest Operator Says He Was "Grossly Mistreated" By
"Tiffany Network"

"I've never been so let
down in my life."

Those words from a bemused John Trissel, manager of the Eagles
Nest flying community outside of Waynesboro (VA) -- the man who was
quoted in the much-ballyhooed CBS story slamming GA security last
week.

Trissel estimates he's received some 200 flaming emails from
pilots and aviation enthusiasts, slamming him for his interview.
They say things like, "With promoters like John Trissel in the
industry, we won't have general aviation in a few years." Or, "It
was an incredibly stupid move. You might want to practice for your
next career."

The truth is, John
Trissel is as upset as everyone else about the way the CBS story
treated general aviation. Only he's more upset than most. He says
CBS took his interview out of context.

"They (CBS) knew exactly what they wanted to do to legitimize
their scam," he told ANN Sunday. "They would say things like, 'Do
you do it this way?' and I'd say no, but here's how we handle it.
They only air the part that said what they wanted it to say."

For instance, Trissel says, they asked him about whether pilots
at Eagle's Nest used baggage scanners. "No," he'd answer, "but we
only fly with people we know. If we have any questions about a bag,
it stays on the ground."

In fact, Trissel says
the CBS producer who called from Washington didn't let on what the
story was about. "What happened was they found an ad on a realtor's
site and called us. They called the realtor and said they'd like to
do a story on living with your aircraft. They said, 'We think
that's real unique.' So we put out the pretzels and candy and had
'em down here."

But only when the camera started rolling did the real motive for
the visit become apparent. "They started asking questions that
weren't what we expected. I've given a lot of interviews in my
career," Trissel said." I never had something so bad happen. I
usually get treated fairly by the press."

So what is the rest of the story?

"Of the 54 airplanes parked here at Eagle's Nest, all but about
four are locked up. Those four are transients," Trissel told ANN.
"We live right on the runway. We always know when someone is coming
or going -- even late at night. I always look out and talk with
(whoever is flying). If the voice doesn't match the owner of the
aircraft, I'm on the phone with law enforcement."

That's a relationship Trissel says was completely ignored in the
CBS story. "They wouldn't let me talk about the security measures
we do use or about the relationship we have with law enforcement.
If we have a problem, boom! They're here."

In short, Trissel says, "We felt like we got strung up pretty
good."

Since the day after the interview, Trissel says the flame-on
emails from pilots have subsided. Some have even written back to
apologize, apparently realizing that something was wrong and it
wasn't Trissel.

"I got several apologies from folks who flew off the handle and
wanted to say they're sorry."
FMI: www.eaglesnest.aero

For the WHOLE story, go to
http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockID=5a9dd553-3e37-4233-816e-96328707f241


all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[Roger Long]

A democracy and its future depends more on the responsibility of the press
than on the integrity of its leaders. Leaders come and go and can be
changed if the public is properly informed.

We're in trouble.

--
Roger Long

[John Gaquin]

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
>
> Under the category of "suspicions confirmed," you might like to read
> this piece from the Aero-News email newsletter this morning:
>
> John Trissel: I Was Ambushed By CBS

Falls into the category of "He shoulda known better than to trust CBS."

[Gene Seibel]

A perfect description of the MO of the Terrorist Network. Don't feed
them.

So sorry John, that you were still one who had faith in humanity and
had your world shattered. I hope that because you went through it,
someone else won't have to.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.




Cub Driver > wrote in message >...
> Under the category of "suspicions confirmed," you might like to read
> this piece from the Aero-News email newsletter this morning:
>
> John Trissel: I Was Ambushed By CBS
> Eagle's Nest Operator Says He Was "Grossly Mistreated" By
> "Tiffany Network"
>
> "I've never been so let
> down in my life."
>
> Those words from a bemused John Trissel, manager of the Eagles
> Nest flying community outside of Waynesboro (VA) -- the man who was
> quoted in the much-ballyhooed CBS story slamming GA security last
> week.
>
> Trissel estimates he's received some 200 flaming emails from
> pilots and aviation enthusiasts, slamming him for his interview.
> They say things like, "With promoters like John Trissel in the
> industry, we won't have general aviation in a few years." Or, "It
> was an incredibly stupid move. You might want to practice for your
> next career."
>
> The truth is, John
> Trissel is as upset as everyone else about the way the CBS story
> treated general aviation. Only he's more upset than most. He says
> CBS took his interview out of context.
>
> "They (CBS) knew exactly what they wanted to do to legitimize
> their scam," he told ANN Sunday. "They would say things like, 'Do
> you do it this way?' and I'd say no, but here's how we handle it.
> They only air the part that said what they wanted it to say."
>
> For instance, Trissel says, they asked him about whether pilots
> at Eagle's Nest used baggage scanners. "No," he'd answer, "but we
> only fly with people we know. If we have any questions about a bag,
> it stays on the ground."
>
> In fact, Trissel says
> the CBS producer who called from Washington didn't let on what the
> story was about. "What happened was they found an ad on a realtor's
> site and called us. They called the realtor and said they'd like to
> do a story on living with your aircraft. They said, 'We think
> that's real unique.' So we put out the pretzels and candy and had
> 'em down here."
>
> But only when the camera started rolling did the real motive for
> the visit become apparent. "They started asking questions that
> weren't what we expected. I've given a lot of interviews in my
> career," Trissel said." I never had something so bad happen. I
> usually get treated fairly by the press."
>
> So what is the rest of the story?
>
> "Of the 54 airplanes parked here at Eagle's Nest, all but about
> four are locked up. Those four are transients," Trissel told ANN.
> "We live right on the runway. We always know when someone is coming
> or going -- even late at night. I always look out and talk with
> (whoever is flying). If the voice doesn't match the owner of the
> aircraft, I'm on the phone with law enforcement."
>
> That's a relationship Trissel says was completely ignored in the
> CBS story. "They wouldn't let me talk about the security measures
> we do use or about the relationship we have with law enforcement.
> If we have a problem, boom! They're here."
>
> In short, Trissel says, "We felt like we got strung up pretty
> good."
>
> Since the day after the interview, Trissel says the flame-on
> emails from pilots have subsided. Some have even written back to
> apologize, apparently realizing that something was wrong and it
> wasn't Trissel.
>
> "I got several apologies from folks who flew off the handle and
> wanted to say they're sorry."
> FMI: www.eaglesnest.aero
>
> For the WHOLE story, go to
> http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockID=5a9dd553-3e37-4233-816e-96328707f241
>
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford
> email:
>
> see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
> and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[David]

> Under the category of "suspicions confirmed," you might like to read
> this piece from the Aero-News email newsletter this morning:
>
> John Trissel: I Was Ambushed By CBS
> Eagle's Nest Operator Says He Was "Grossly Mistreated" By
> "Tiffany Network"
>

Nobody should allow themselves to be interviewed like this unless they make
their own videotape of the entire interview and are prepared to put it on
the internet as a rebuttal when the media terrorists strike. And you've got
to find out what is their real angle to the story. Be wary, pilots.

[Tune2828]

<<<Nobody should allow themselves to be interviewed like this unless they make
their own videotape of the entire interview and are prepared to put it on
the internet as a rebuttal when the media terrorists strike. >>>

hear hear - smart idea. i notice this on local news all the time. it's so
tightly edited and when they have a clip of someone it's ONLY A RESPONSE - you
have no idea what question was even asked.

someone could say "i was scared to death and almost pooped my pants"

well they could insert that comment in any story from a roller coaster to a
home burglar.

not that they go that far - but who polices the news and gets upset when things
are that out of context?

[David]

> not that they go that far - but who polices the news and gets upset when
things
> are that out of context?

we do

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
(Tune2828) wrote:

> <<<Nobody should allow themselves to be interviewed like this unless they
> make
> their own videotape of the entire interview and are prepared to put it on
> the internet as a rebuttal when the media terrorists strike. >>>
>
> hear hear - smart idea. i notice this on local news all the time. it's so
> tightly edited and when they have a clip of someone it's ONLY A RESPONSE -
> you
> have no idea what question was even asked.
>
> someone could say "i was scared to death and almost pooped my pants"
>
> well they could insert that comment in any story from a roller coaster to a
> home burglar.
>
> not that they go that far - but who polices the news and gets upset when
> things
> are that out of context?



I have emailed AOPA, suggesting that they help Mr. Trissel sue CBS for
slaneder and defamation of character. It would certainly be nice to hang
a few of our most dishonest critics out to dry.

[Dan Luke]

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote:
> I have emailed AOPA, suggesting that they help Mr. Trissel sue
> CBS for slaneder and defamation of character.

CBS indeed behaved despicably, but how did they slander or defame Mr.
Trissel?
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"Dan Luke" > wrote:

> "Orval Fairbairn" wrote:
> > I have emailed AOPA, suggesting that they help Mr. Trissel sue
> > CBS for slaneder and defamation of character.
>
> CBS indeed behaved despicably, but how did they slander or defame Mr.
> Trissel?

Certainly -- by qouting him deliberately out of context, in order to
chang the meaning of his statements in a public arena.

It would be interesting to see a "deep pockets" tort lawyer get hold of
this one.

[Jim]

I quit talking to media 35 years ago after a major city newspaper had it
sounding like I held a position exactly the opposite of the one I actually
did. Every quote was correct but they were edited and juxtaposed to other
text to completely contradict what I actually said. TV is even worse due to
the briefness of the pieces and the lack of journalistic ethics of too many
of the practitioners.

"David" > wrote in message
...
> Nobody should allow themselves to be interviewed like this unless ...

[Roger Tracy]

Don't know about slander or defamation .. but their deliberate inaccuracy
of what he said certainly held him up to ridicule and attack in his
profession,
which would have been a forseeable result given the highly charged topic
they were presenting. The only answer of course is to NEVER allow what
you say to be used .. unless you have final say over what is presented.


"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
> "Orval Fairbairn" wrote:
> > I have emailed AOPA, suggesting that they help Mr. Trissel sue
> > CBS for slaneder and defamation of character.
>
> CBS indeed behaved despicably, but how did they slander or defame Mr.
> Trissel?
> --
> Dan
> C172RG at BFM
> (remove pants to reply by email)
>
>

[Tom Sixkiller]

"John Gaquin" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cub Driver" > wrote in message
> >
> > Under the category of "suspicions confirmed," you might like to read
> > this piece from the Aero-News email newsletter this morning:
> >
> > John Trissel: I Was Ambushed By CBS
>
> Falls into the category of "He shoulda known better than to trust CBS."
>
What? Don't they call themselves "The most trusted" ...blah, blah, blah!

(IMBW; I yanked my cable connection two years ago and didn't watch network
news for long before)

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Tune2828" > wrote in message
...
>
> not that they go that far - but who polices the news and gets upset when
things
> are that out of context?

The internet?

[Tom Sixkiller]

"David" > wrote in message
...
> > not that they go that far - but who polices the news and gets upset when
> things
> > are that out of context?
>
> we do
>
That's who do!

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Roger Long" m> wrote in
message ...
> A democracy and its future depends more on the responsibility of the press
> than on the integrity of its leaders. Leaders come and go and can be
> changed if the public is properly informed.
>
> We're in trouble.
>

Herr Gobbels will take care of it.

[Dan Luke]

"Roger Long" wrote:
> A democracy and its future depends more on the responsibility
> of the press than on the integrity of its leaders. Leaders come
> and go and can be changed if the public is properly informed.
>
> We're in trouble.

Please don't misunderstand me: I'm not defending the behavior of today's
American news media when they behave in the cynical, careless fashion of
CBS's recent story. But when in our history has it ever been any
different? Take a look at some archives of newspapers from the late
nineteenth century, for example - awful, but we're still here.

We have a free press, which means that it will have warts on it (or, as
Donald Rumsfeld candidly remarked about freedom in general, it will be
"untidy"). It is our responsibility as free citizens to point out those
warts when we see them.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, a free press is a terrible kind of
press, but all other kinds are worse.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

[C J Campbell]

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
|
| Under the category of "suspicions confirmed," you might like to read
| this piece from the Aero-News email newsletter this morning:
|
| John Trissel: I Was Ambushed By CBS
| Eagle's Nest Operator Says He Was "Grossly Mistreated" By
| "Tiffany Network"
|
| "I've never been so let
| down in my life."
|

I feel for him. I have been burned this way myself more than once. I thought
the behavior was exceptional until the "Wall Street Journal" ran a series of
interviews of people ambushed by the likes of Mike Wallace and Dan Rather.
Never talk to news reporters like this. They simply cannot be trusted. They
probably did not even tell Trissel that they were from CBS.

[John Harlow]

> I feel for him. I have been burned this way myself more than once.

Didn't they get written permission from you to broadcast the interview?

Instead of getting burned "more than once", perhaps inform them next time in
writing they are to not use your image nor statements unless you
specifically approve the entire article exactly as it will be aired.

[Gig Giacona]

"John Harlow" > wrote in message
...
> > I feel for him. I have been burned this way myself more than once.
>
> Didn't they get written permission from you to broadcast the interview?
>
> Instead of getting burned "more than once", perhaps inform them next time
in
> writing they are to not use your image nor statements unless you
> specifically approve the entire article exactly as it will be aired.
>
>

At which point they will laugh and go find someone else. None of them are
going to give you approval authority.

[David]

> Under the category of "suspicions confirmed," you might like to read
> this piece from the Aero-News email newsletter this morning:

<snip>

Related story- One time in my life a long time ago I was present during an
aircraft incident that generated a lot of news coverage. I was in a
position to know who talked to who and what the facts were. Nobody involved
wanted to talk to the press and only a few brief factual statements were
made. I saw it all. That night on the news, I was amazed to find out how
much the news people just simply fabricated additional 'facts' to make it
sound more interesting. They literally just wrote a fictional story that
was remotely based on actual events that day. Nobody at the tv station
would talk to me about it afterwards.

[Robert Henry]

It is considerably plausible that the broadcast was designed to instill a
sense of public panic and would therefore qualify for complaint as follows:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/falsebroadcast.html

If local law enforcement has chosen to visit the premises for the purpose of
any type of inspection, within a certain "immediate" timeframe since the
broadcast....

He should at least file a complaint as follows:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/journalism.html

[BTIZ]

when I lived in New Hampshire.. If there was a car accident.. I could ready
the Nashua paper and get one story.. and read the Manchester Union Leader
and get an entirely different story on the same car accident...

so imagine how it is with politics... or labor disputes..

Glad to see it has not changed with CBS...

BT

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
>
> Under the category of "suspicions confirmed," you might like to read
> this piece from the Aero-News email newsletter this morning:
>
> John Trissel: I Was Ambushed By CBS
> Eagle's Nest Operator Says He Was "Grossly Mistreated" By
> "Tiffany Network"
>
> "I've never been so let
> down in my life."
>
> Those words from a bemused John Trissel, manager of the Eagles
> Nest flying community outside of Waynesboro (VA) -- the man who was
> quoted in the much-ballyhooed CBS story slamming GA security last
> week.
>
> Trissel estimates he's received some 200 flaming emails from
> pilots and aviation enthusiasts, slamming him for his interview.
> They say things like, "With promoters like John Trissel in the
> industry, we won't have general aviation in a few years." Or, "It
> was an incredibly stupid move. You might want to practice for your
> next career."
>
> The truth is, John
> Trissel is as upset as everyone else about the way the CBS story
> treated general aviation. Only he's more upset than most. He says
> CBS took his interview out of context.
>
> "They (CBS) knew exactly what they wanted to do to legitimize
> their scam," he told ANN Sunday. "They would say things like, 'Do
> you do it this way?' and I'd say no, but here's how we handle it.
> They only air the part that said what they wanted it to say."
>
> For instance, Trissel says, they asked him about whether pilots
> at Eagle's Nest used baggage scanners. "No," he'd answer, "but we
> only fly with people we know. If we have any questions about a bag,
> it stays on the ground."
>
> In fact, Trissel says
> the CBS producer who called from Washington didn't let on what the
> story was about. "What happened was they found an ad on a realtor's
> site and called us. They called the realtor and said they'd like to
> do a story on living with your aircraft. They said, 'We think
> that's real unique.' So we put out the pretzels and candy and had
> 'em down here."
>
> But only when the camera started rolling did the real motive for
> the visit become apparent. "They started asking questions that
> weren't what we expected. I've given a lot of interviews in my
> career," Trissel said." I never had something so bad happen. I
> usually get treated fairly by the press."
>
> So what is the rest of the story?
>
> "Of the 54 airplanes parked here at Eagle's Nest, all but about
> four are locked up. Those four are transients," Trissel told ANN.
> "We live right on the runway. We always know when someone is coming
> or going -- even late at night. I always look out and talk with
> (whoever is flying). If the voice doesn't match the owner of the
> aircraft, I'm on the phone with law enforcement."
>
> That's a relationship Trissel says was completely ignored in the
> CBS story. "They wouldn't let me talk about the security measures
> we do use or about the relationship we have with law enforcement.
> If we have a problem, boom! They're here."
>
> In short, Trissel says, "We felt like we got strung up pretty
> good."
>
> Since the day after the interview, Trissel says the flame-on
> emails from pilots have subsided. Some have even written back to
> apologize, apparently realizing that something was wrong and it
> wasn't Trissel.
>
> "I got several apologies from folks who flew off the handle and
> wanted to say they're sorry."
> FMI: www.eaglesnest.aero
>
> For the WHOLE story, go to
>
http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockID=5a9dd553-3e37-4233-816e-96328707f241
>
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford
> email:
>
> see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
> and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[Judah]

Seems that the FCC is pretty limited in what they can do....

Perhaps, tho, we should encourage them to make all complaints public record
so the people can decide for themselves...


"Robert Henry" > wrote in
news:3N%Ob.4276$_H5.983@lakeread06:

> It is considerably plausible that the broadcast was designed to instill
> a sense of public panic and would therefore qualify for complaint as
> follows:
>
> http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/falsebroadcast.html
>
> If local law enforcement has chosen to visit the premises for the
> purpose of any type of inspection, within a certain "immediate"
> timeframe since the broadcast....
>
> He should at least file a complaint as follows:
>
> http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/journalism.html
>
>
>

[Robert Henry]

"Judah" > wrote in message
...
> Seems that the FCC is pretty limited in what they can do....

I think you underestimate the size and power of that bureaucracy. Here's
the list of hot topics. See anything that affects you in your daily life?

Wireless Local Number Portability (WLNP)
Do Not Call Advisory
Parents Place
Rural Telecommunication
Cellular Telephone Specific Absorption Rate (SAR)
What You Should Know About Wireless Phone Service
High Speed Internet Access (Broadband)
Environmental and Historic Preservation Page
Information About Your Telephone Carrier
Understanding Your Phone Bill

Can you see "Understanding 'the News'" or "What You Should Know about
Sensational News Programs" or "Tabloid Television Journalism Advisory" or
"Information about your National News Broadcaster" on the list?

See also some of the numbers on this page:

http://www.fcc.gov/headlines.html

I'm not saying any such would apply in this case, but broadcast licenses do
have to be renewed....Also, freedom of speech has limits (e.g., yelling fire
in a theatre, invasions from mars, and mindless speculation of [fill in the
conveyance] commandeered by terrorists, etc)

>
> Perhaps, tho, we should encourage them to make all complaints public
record
> so the people can decide for themselves...
>

They are. Did you notice that 'standing' is not required? Any person or
group can make a complaint. The FCC may choose not to act upon it, but maybe
that isn't required. Accountability can be generated in many indirect ways.

Of course, it may be counterproductive to have someone erroneously draw the
conclusion that in fact suburban airpark communities are far more secure
than other types of airports. Oh no!

[John Harlow]

>>> I feel for him. I have been burned this way myself more than once.
>>
>> Didn't they get written permission from you to broadcast the
>> interview?
>>
>> Instead of getting burned "more than once", perhaps inform them next
>> time in writing they are to not use your image nor statements unless
>> you specifically approve the entire article exactly as it will be
>> aired.
>>
>>
>
> At which point they will laugh and go find someone else. None of them
> are going to give you approval authority.

Sounds like a great outcome to me.

[Richard Hertz]

This sounds a lot like what that ass Michael Moore did when he interviewed
(among others) the bank "giving away guns" in the mis-awarded and
mis-categorized "best documentary," "Bowling for Columbine."



"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
>
> Under the category of "suspicions confirmed," you might like to read
> this piece from the Aero-News email newsletter this morning:
>
> John Trissel: I Was Ambushed By CBS
> Eagle's Nest Operator Says He Was "Grossly Mistreated" By
> "Tiffany Network"
>
> "I've never been so let
> down in my life."
>
> Those words from a bemused John Trissel, manager of the Eagles
> Nest flying community outside of Waynesboro (VA) -- the man who was
> quoted in the much-ballyhooed CBS story slamming GA security last
> week.
>
> Trissel estimates he's received some 200 flaming emails from
> pilots and aviation enthusiasts, slamming him for his interview.
> They say things like, "With promoters like John Trissel in the
> industry, we won't have general aviation in a few years." Or, "It
> was an incredibly stupid move. You might want to practice for your
> next career."
>
> The truth is, John
> Trissel is as upset as everyone else about the way the CBS story
> treated general aviation. Only he's more upset than most. He says
> CBS took his interview out of context.
>
> "They (CBS) knew exactly what they wanted to do to legitimize
> their scam," he told ANN Sunday. "They would say things like, 'Do
> you do it this way?' and I'd say no, but here's how we handle it.
> They only air the part that said what they wanted it to say."
>
> For instance, Trissel says, they asked him about whether pilots
> at Eagle's Nest used baggage scanners. "No," he'd answer, "but we
> only fly with people we know. If we have any questions about a bag,
> it stays on the ground."
>
> In fact, Trissel says
> the CBS producer who called from Washington didn't let on what the
> story was about. "What happened was they found an ad on a realtor's
> site and called us. They called the realtor and said they'd like to
> do a story on living with your aircraft. They said, 'We think
> that's real unique.' So we put out the pretzels and candy and had
> 'em down here."
>
> But only when the camera started rolling did the real motive for
> the visit become apparent. "They started asking questions that
> weren't what we expected. I've given a lot of interviews in my
> career," Trissel said." I never had something so bad happen. I
> usually get treated fairly by the press."
>
> So what is the rest of the story?
>
> "Of the 54 airplanes parked here at Eagle's Nest, all but about
> four are locked up. Those four are transients," Trissel told ANN.
> "We live right on the runway. We always know when someone is coming
> or going -- even late at night. I always look out and talk with
> (whoever is flying). If the voice doesn't match the owner of the
> aircraft, I'm on the phone with law enforcement."
>
> That's a relationship Trissel says was completely ignored in the
> CBS story. "They wouldn't let me talk about the security measures
> we do use or about the relationship we have with law enforcement.
> If we have a problem, boom! They're here."
>
> In short, Trissel says, "We felt like we got strung up pretty
> good."
>
> Since the day after the interview, Trissel says the flame-on
> emails from pilots have subsided. Some have even written back to
> apologize, apparently realizing that something was wrong and it
> wasn't Trissel.
>
> "I got several apologies from folks who flew off the handle and
> wanted to say they're sorry."
> FMI: www.eaglesnest.aero
>
> For the WHOLE story, go to
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[Scott Skylane]

Richard Hertz wrote:

> This sounds a lot like what that ass Michael Moore did when he interviewed
> (among others) the bank "giving away guns" in the mis-awarded and
> mis-categorized "best documentary," "Bowling for Columbine."
>
You never watched the video, did you?

Happy Flying
Scott Skylane