Flying is Life - The Rest is Just Details

[Michael]

Every so often, we have people post here and complain. Flying isn't
useful. It's too expensive. It's inconvenient. The customer service
at FBO's is terrible, and the planes are always broken. It's taking
forever to solo and the CFI (is always late/is just looking to move
up/has no clue/is reckless). GA is distressed. There's too much
regulation. It's dangerous. Nobody will fly with me. It takes too
much time and effort. All sorts of reasons not to fly. And the
response is always the same.

There must be something wrong with you.
You're not dedicated enough, or you would find a way.
We're not hearing the whole story - you're not telling us everything.

And then we wonder why there are so few of us, and fewer every year.

It's time to face up to the facts. For every one student or low time
private pilot who comes here to tell us this, there are thousands who
just leave the airport - and never come back.

So we're the elite, right? The ones who have what it takes? What
does it take, anyway?

Not intelligence. As a whole, pilots are not any smarter than
average. In fact, some of the dumbest stuff I've seen and heard has
been at the airport.

Not skill. How much skill does it take to pass a private checkride in
a Cherokee or a Skyhawk, anyway? About as much as it takes to pass a
driving test in Europe or New York City.

Not even money. Lots of supposedly active pilots are logging 1-2
hours a month. That's what, $100 a month? $150 tops? Most people I
know spend more than that on eating out.

Mostly, it takes a sort of insanity. It takes the willingness to put
flying first. If flying is more important than your career or family
or friends, you will find the time. If it's more important than
comfort, you will find the money. If it's more important than your
safety, you will fly as much as you can, in whatever you can. If it's
the most important thing in your life, you will find a way.

You know what that sounds like? Drug addiction. Hey, wanna get high?

The first student I ever trained has recently quit flying. He decided
he just didn't have the time to dedicate to staying proficient and
still do the other things he wanted to do. It wasn't the most
important thing in the world for him. He had other priorities. So do
most people. I wonder what that says about us.

Aviation is not so much an industry as it is a disease. I think I'm
quoting a former CEO of an airline here, and I think he nailed it.

I was once asked what I had spent on my aviation habit. I did a rough
calculation, and I blanched. It has to be close to a quarter of a
million dollars. I suppose I could get some of that back selling my
aircraft, my parachutes, and my tools - but most of it is gone
forever, leaving nothing but memories. The crazy part is that I don't
regret any of it. I think a normal person would.

Aviators - the few, the proud, the totally insane.

Michael

[Rosspilot]

Great post, Michael. I agree, and count myself as deeply fortunate that I am
able to earn a living with my serious addiction.<G>

But I got it bad . . . going on 30 years in '06 :-)


www.Rosspilot.com

[Nathan Young]

Well put Michael. I've been flying for 10 years. Owned a plane for
the last 4. Spent lots of money, and don't care at all. I still
relish every flight.

-Nathan



On 22 Jan 2004 15:32:43 -0800, (Michael) wrote:

>Every so often, we have people post here and complain. Flying isn't
>useful. It's too expensive. It's inconvenient. The customer service
>at FBO's is terrible, and the planes are always broken. It's taking
>forever to solo and the CFI (is always late/is just looking to move
>up/has no clue/is reckless). GA is distressed. There's too much
>regulation. It's dangerous. Nobody will fly with me. It takes too
>much time and effort. All sorts of reasons not to fly. And the
>response is always the same.
>
>There must be something wrong with you.
>You're not dedicated enough, or you would find a way.
>We're not hearing the whole story - you're not telling us everything.
>
>And then we wonder why there are so few of us, and fewer every year.
>
>It's time to face up to the facts. For every one student or low time
>private pilot who comes here to tell us this, there are thousands who
>just leave the airport - and never come back.
>
>So we're the elite, right? The ones who have what it takes? What
>does it take, anyway?
>
>Not intelligence. As a whole, pilots are not any smarter than
>average. In fact, some of the dumbest stuff I've seen and heard has
>been at the airport.
>
>Not skill. How much skill does it take to pass a private checkride in
>a Cherokee or a Skyhawk, anyway? About as much as it takes to pass a
>driving test in Europe or New York City.
>
>Not even money. Lots of supposedly active pilots are logging 1-2
>hours a month. That's what, $100 a month? $150 tops? Most people I
>know spend more than that on eating out.
>
>Mostly, it takes a sort of insanity. It takes the willingness to put
>flying first. If flying is more important than your career or family
>or friends, you will find the time. If it's more important than
>comfort, you will find the money. If it's more important than your
>safety, you will fly as much as you can, in whatever you can. If it's
>the most important thing in your life, you will find a way.
>
>You know what that sounds like? Drug addiction. Hey, wanna get high?
>
>The first student I ever trained has recently quit flying. He decided
>he just didn't have the time to dedicate to staying proficient and
>still do the other things he wanted to do. It wasn't the most
>important thing in the world for him. He had other priorities. So do
>most people. I wonder what that says about us.
>
>Aviation is not so much an industry as it is a disease. I think I'm
>quoting a former CEO of an airline here, and I think he nailed it.
>
>I was once asked what I had spent on my aviation habit. I did a rough
>calculation, and I blanched. It has to be close to a quarter of a
>million dollars. I suppose I could get some of that back selling my
>aircraft, my parachutes, and my tools - but most of it is gone
>forever, leaving nothing but memories. The crazy part is that I don't
>regret any of it. I think a normal person would.
>
>Aviators - the few, the proud, the totally insane.
>
>Michael

[Dan Luke]

"Michael" wrote:

> Aviators - the few, the proud, the totally insane.

Great post, and too bloody true.

Today I flew from Mobile to Dothan, AL and back on business. It's 141 nm
each way. When you figure the total door-to-door time, flying saves me
about an an hour round trip over driving and costs at least $100 more
even if I don't have to rent a car in Dothan.

I make this trip ten or twelve times a year. Does it make sense to fly?
I don't care.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

[Jay Honeck]

> Well put Michael. I've been flying for 10 years. Owned a plane for
> the last 4. Spent lots of money, and don't care at all. I still
> relish every flight.

Same here, gentlemen. When I'm flying, I'm happy. When I'm not flying, I'm
thinking about flying.

I've gone even more insane than most, I fear.

When I was interviewed by the local daily rag, their photographer must've
taken twenty pictures of a plaque that hangs on the lobby wall that says:
"Flying Is Life." She thought it was bizarre, and sorta funny.

I don't. :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave Russell]

(Michael) wrote in message >...

> I was once asked what I had spent on my aviation habit. I did a rough
> calculation,

STOP! STOP right there!!! As I've explained to my wife, you can't
count 'airplane dollars'. It's all very complex and involves lots of
physics, and calculus, a bit of quantum mechanics, a dose of
sadistical thermodynamics, and a little dab of differential equations.
Without unlimited Cray time, you can't get it right. Can't be done.
Out of the question. Impossible.

That's my stroy, and I'd appreciate if you'd stick to it.

-Dave Russell
8KCAB

p.s. Nice post.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Michael wrote:
>
> Aviators - the few, the proud, the totally insane.

Your point is? :-)

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[Gene Seibel]

You got that right. Charles Lindbergh said, 'Who valued life more
highly, the aviators who spent it on the art they loved, or these
misers who doled it out like pennies through their antlike days? I
decided that if I could fly for ten years before I was killed in a
crash, it would be a worthwhile trade for an ordinary lifetime.'
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.



(Michael) wrote in message >...
> Every so often, we have people post here and complain. Flying isn't
> useful. It's too expensive. It's inconvenient. The customer service
> at FBO's is terrible, and the planes are always broken. It's taking
> forever to solo and the CFI (is always late/is just looking to move
> up/has no clue/is reckless). GA is distressed. There's too much
> regulation. It's dangerous. Nobody will fly with me. It takes too
> much time and effort. All sorts of reasons not to fly. And the
> response is always the same.
>
> There must be something wrong with you.
> You're not dedicated enough, or you would find a way.
> We're not hearing the whole story - you're not telling us everything.
>
> And then we wonder why there are so few of us, and fewer every year.
>
> It's time to face up to the facts. For every one student or low time
> private pilot who comes here to tell us this, there are thousands who
> just leave the airport - and never come back.
>
> So we're the elite, right? The ones who have what it takes? What
> does it take, anyway?
>
> Not intelligence. As a whole, pilots are not any smarter than
> average. In fact, some of the dumbest stuff I've seen and heard has
> been at the airport.
>
> Not skill. How much skill does it take to pass a private checkride in
> a Cherokee or a Skyhawk, anyway? About as much as it takes to pass a
> driving test in Europe or New York City.
>
> Not even money. Lots of supposedly active pilots are logging 1-2
> hours a month. That's what, $100 a month? $150 tops? Most people I
> know spend more than that on eating out.
>
> Mostly, it takes a sort of insanity. It takes the willingness to put
> flying first. If flying is more important than your career or family
> or friends, you will find the time. If it's more important than
> comfort, you will find the money. If it's more important than your
> safety, you will fly as much as you can, in whatever you can. If it's
> the most important thing in your life, you will find a way.
>
> You know what that sounds like? Drug addiction. Hey, wanna get high?
>
> The first student I ever trained has recently quit flying. He decided
> he just didn't have the time to dedicate to staying proficient and
> still do the other things he wanted to do. It wasn't the most
> important thing in the world for him. He had other priorities. So do
> most people. I wonder what that says about us.
>
> Aviation is not so much an industry as it is a disease. I think I'm
> quoting a former CEO of an airline here, and I think he nailed it.
>
> I was once asked what I had spent on my aviation habit. I did a rough
> calculation, and I blanched. It has to be close to a quarter of a
> million dollars. I suppose I could get some of that back selling my
> aircraft, my parachutes, and my tools - but most of it is gone
> forever, leaving nothing but memories. The crazy part is that I don't
> regret any of it. I think a normal person would.
>
> Aviators - the few, the proud, the totally insane.
>
> Michael

[Jay Honeck]

> I decided that if I could fly for ten years before I was killed in a
> crash, it would be a worthwhile trade for an ordinary lifetime.'

Starkly put, but, oh, so true.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Marco Leon]

Throughout history, the geniuses have been labeled as "crazy" or "insane" by
their peers. I like to think that I am in good company:

"And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to
eturn." -Leonardo DaVinci

If even for a split second, I remember this every time I fly.

Marco

"Michael" > wrote in message
om...
> Every so often, we have people post here and complain. Flying isn't
> useful. It's too expensive. It's inconvenient. The customer service
> at FBO's is terrible, and the planes are always broken. It's taking
> forever to solo and the CFI (is always late/is just looking to move
> up/has no clue/is reckless). GA is distressed. There's too much
> regulation. It's dangerous. Nobody will fly with me. It takes too
> much time and effort. All sorts of reasons not to fly. And the
> response is always the same.
>
> There must be something wrong with you.
> You're not dedicated enough, or you would find a way.
> We're not hearing the whole story - you're not telling us everything.
>
> And then we wonder why there are so few of us, and fewer every year.
>
> It's time to face up to the facts. For every one student or low time
> private pilot who comes here to tell us this, there are thousands who
> just leave the airport - and never come back.
>
> So we're the elite, right? The ones who have what it takes? What
> does it take, anyway?
>
> Not intelligence. As a whole, pilots are not any smarter than
> average. In fact, some of the dumbest stuff I've seen and heard has
> been at the airport.
>
> Not skill. How much skill does it take to pass a private checkride in
> a Cherokee or a Skyhawk, anyway? About as much as it takes to pass a
> driving test in Europe or New York City.
>
> Not even money. Lots of supposedly active pilots are logging 1-2
> hours a month. That's what, $100 a month? $150 tops? Most people I
> know spend more than that on eating out.
>
> Mostly, it takes a sort of insanity. It takes the willingness to put
> flying first. If flying is more important than your career or family
> or friends, you will find the time. If it's more important than
> comfort, you will find the money. If it's more important than your
> safety, you will fly as much as you can, in whatever you can. If it's
> the most important thing in your life, you will find a way.
>
> You know what that sounds like? Drug addiction. Hey, wanna get high?
>
> The first student I ever trained has recently quit flying. He decided
> he just didn't have the time to dedicate to staying proficient and
> still do the other things he wanted to do. It wasn't the most
> important thing in the world for him. He had other priorities. So do
> most people. I wonder what that says about us.
>
> Aviation is not so much an industry as it is a disease. I think I'm
> quoting a former CEO of an airline here, and I think he nailed it.
>
> I was once asked what I had spent on my aviation habit. I did a rough
> calculation, and I blanched. It has to be close to a quarter of a
> million dollars. I suppose I could get some of that back selling my
> aircraft, my parachutes, and my tools - but most of it is gone
> forever, leaving nothing but memories. The crazy part is that I don't
> regret any of it. I think a normal person would.
>
> Aviators - the few, the proud, the totally insane.
>
> Michael




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[Dale]

In article >,
(Michael) wrote:


> Aviators - the few, the proud, the totally insane.


My sig pretty much sums it up for me. <G>

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

[Brian Burger]

I can't remember where I found this quote online, or if it's accurate,
but:

"We have no effective screening methods to make sure pilots are sane." -
Dr. Herbert Haynes, FAA.

To which I have to add: ...and that's a good thing, doctor!

Personally, I haven't been flying since New Year's Day, and I'm getting
physically twitchy. I was up at the Club today, and one of the senior
instructors admitted the same thing - they're all getting twitchy too.
Requesting SVFR just to do circuits at 600ft is getting really, really
old! The weather so far this month has been awful for flying...

Brian.

[MRQB]

Well i am selling off most every thing and anything valuable that i own so i
can own my own airplane (availability). It is hard to rent one here on a
nice day the last few times i have been able to fly it has been at night
only time the planes are available at local FBO after weeks of IMC
conditions. i don't care right now if i get a 150 or a 172 right now idd be
happy flying anything as long as i get to do it. that's all i can think
about now is flying flying flying.

Its my fault yes i am a adrenaline addict! I even quit smoking (cold turkey
was 3 pack a day smoker) so i could get just that much higher been 3 months
now quit October 22 (humm! day i soloed). i even quit going out to the strip
joints would rather study for another rating or go fly.


It is an addiction yes it is bit it is the ultimate high.

Still trying to find a place in the NorthWest that dose upset recovery
training. Anyone know?

>"Michael" > wrote in message
om...
> Every so often, we have people post here and complain. Flying isn't
> useful. It's too expensive. It's inconvenient. The customer service
> at FBO's is terrible, and the planes are always broken. It's taking
> forever to solo and the CFI (is always late/is just looking to move
> up/has no clue/is reckless). GA is distressed. There's too much
> regulation. It's dangerous. Nobody will fly with me. It takes too
> much time and effort. All sorts of reasons not to fly. And the
> response is always the same.
>
> There must be something wrong with you.
> You're not dedicated enough, or you would find a way.
> We're not hearing the whole story - you're not telling us everything.
>
> And then we wonder why there are so few of us, and fewer every year.
>
> It's time to face up to the facts. For every one student or low time
> private pilot who comes here to tell us this, there are thousands who
> just leave the airport - and never come back.
>
> So we're the elite, right? The ones who have what it takes? What
> does it take, anyway?
>
> Not intelligence. As a whole, pilots are not any smarter than
> average. In fact, some of the dumbest stuff I've seen and heard has
> been at the airport.
>
> Not skill. How much skill does it take to pass a private checkride in
> a Cherokee or a Skyhawk, anyway? About as much as it takes to pass a
> driving test in Europe or New York City.
>
> Not even money. Lots of supposedly active pilots are logging 1-2
> hours a month. That's what, $100 a month? $150 tops? Most people I
> know spend more than that on eating out.
>
> Mostly, it takes a sort of insanity. It takes the willingness to put
> flying first. If flying is more important than your career or family
> or friends, you will find the time. If it's more important than
> comfort, you will find the money. If it's more important than your
> safety, you will fly as much as you can, in whatever you can. If it's
> the most important thing in your life, you will find a way.
>
> You know what that sounds like? Drug addiction. Hey, wanna get high?
>
> The first student I ever trained has recently quit flying. He decided
> he just didn't have the time to dedicate to staying proficient and
> still do the other things he wanted to do. It wasn't the most
> important thing in the world for him. He had other priorities. So do
> most people. I wonder what that says about us.
>
> Aviation is not so much an industry as it is a disease. I think I'm
> quoting a former CEO of an airline here, and I think he nailed it.
>
> I was once asked what I had spent on my aviation habit. I did a rough
> calculation, and I blanched. It has to be close to a quarter of a
> million dollars. I suppose I could get some of that back selling my
> aircraft, my parachutes, and my tools - but most of it is gone
> forever, leaving nothing but memories. The crazy part is that I don't
> regret any of it. I think a normal person would.
>
> Aviators - the few, the proud, the totally insane.
>
> Michael

[MRQB]

your lucky you can get an SVFR clearance place i rent from is in class "C"
Surface to 4k NSVFR


"Brian Burger" > wrote in message
ia.tc.ca...
> I can't remember where I found this quote online, or if it's accurate,
> but:
>
> "We have no effective screening methods to make sure pilots are sane." -
> Dr. Herbert Haynes, FAA.
>
> To which I have to add: ...and that's a good thing, doctor!
>
> Personally, I haven't been flying since New Year's Day, and I'm getting
> physically twitchy. I was up at the Club today, and one of the senior
> instructors admitted the same thing - they're all getting twitchy too.
> Requesting SVFR just to do circuits at 600ft is getting really, really
> old! The weather so far this month has been awful for flying...
>
> Brian.
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Its my fault yes i am a adrenaline addict! I even quit smoking (cold
turkey
> was 3 pack a day smoker) so i could get just that much higher been 3
months
> now quit October 22 (humm! day i soloed). i even quit going out to the
strip
> joints would rather study for another rating or go fly.

Smoking? Good thing to quit. I quit cold turkey January 1, 1986 -- never
looked back. (I was 2.5 packs per day for 14 years.)

But quitting strip joints? Now you've crossed the line. You obviously need
help breaking this new addiction of yours...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[EDR]

In article >, MRQB
> wrote:

> Still trying to find a place in the NorthWest that dose upset recovery
> training. Anyone know?

Got to www.iac.org and follow the links for aerobatic schools

[EDR]

In article <4P8Qb.130626$xy6.533316@attbi_s02>, Jay Honeck
> wrote:

> But quitting strip joints? Now you've crossed the line. You obviously need
> help breaking this new addiction of yours...
> ;-)

Hmmm.... does this mean we will be seeing such a place of business near
the Inn?
Will that be before or after the restaurant? (Or part of the restaurant
bar?)
I don't think I have ever come across an airport strip joint in my
travels.

[Gene Seibel]

That is a great quote too. I used to have it on my website, but
decided after the CBS piece that it might not be best for the
non-flying public to be reading it there. Their understanding might be
totally different than ours.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.


Brian Burger > wrote in message .ca>...
> I can't remember where I found this quote online, or if it's accurate,
> but:
>
> "We have no effective screening methods to make sure pilots are sane." -
> Dr. Herbert Haynes, FAA.
>
> To which I have to add: ...and that's a good thing, doctor!
>
> Personally, I haven't been flying since New Year's Day, and I'm getting
> physically twitchy. I was up at the Club today, and one of the senior
> instructors admitted the same thing - they're all getting twitchy too.
> Requesting SVFR just to do circuits at 600ft is getting really, really
> old! The weather so far this month has been awful for flying...
>
> Brian.

[Jay Honeck]

> I don't think I have ever come across an airport strip joint in my
> travels.

Closest I've seen is in Davenport, IA. Land at DVN, and there are two or
three just down the road a piece.

I've got a buddy who is getting married soon, and I suspect we might be
taking him to one (or more) of them shortly...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gene Seibel]

More from Lindy at http://pad39a.com/gene/lindy.html
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<Sg1Qb.127807$xy6.487407@attbi_s02>...
> > I decided that if I could fly for ten years before I was killed in a
> > crash, it would be a worthwhile trade for an ordinary lifetime.'
>
> Starkly put, but, oh, so true.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:PY9Qb.2956$U%5.18264@attbi_s03...
> > I don't think I have ever come across an airport strip joint in my
> > travels.
>
> Closest I've seen is in Davenport, IA. Land at DVN, and there are two or
> three just down the road a piece.
>
> I've got a buddy who is getting married soon, and I suspect we might be
> taking him to one (or more) of them shortly...

Have you considered a business expansion, Jay?

[Jay Honeck]

> Have you considered a business expansion, Jay?

Funny, but... :-)

Actually, we've worked very hard to clean up the hotel's local reputation.
Remember, before we came on the scene it had sunk into "residence hotel"
status, and was locally known as the "prom night" hangout. Lots of
sorority and fraternity parties, too.

In the 1980s there used to be a "massage parlor" on this site, too.
Apparently it was pretty much just a brothel, and the locals remember that
for a long, long time.

We've chased away that old clientele, but it's still been much harder
marketing to the locals -- who still remember the area the way it used to
be -- than it's been marketing regionally or nationally.

So, long story short, no, we're not looking at starting a strip joint. ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:PY9Qb.2956$U%5.18264@attbi_s03...
> > > I don't think I have ever come across an airport strip joint in my
> > > travels.
> >
> > Closest I've seen is in Davenport, IA. Land at DVN, and there are two
or
> > three just down the road a piece.
> >
> > I've got a buddy who is getting married soon, and I suspect we might be
> > taking him to one (or more) of them shortly...
>
>
>
>

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:WmcQb.129991$I06.1122362@attbi_s01...
> > Have you considered a business expansion, Jay?
>
> Funny, but... :-)
>
> Actually, we've worked very hard to clean up the hotel's local reputation.
> Remember, before we came on the scene it had sunk into "residence hotel"
> status, and was locally known as the "prom night" hangout. Lots of
> sorority and fraternity parties, too.
>
> In the 1980s there used to be a "massage parlor" on this site, too.
> Apparently it was pretty much just a brothel, and the locals remember that
> for a long, long time.
>
> We've chased away that old clientele, but it's still been much harder
> marketing to the locals -- who still remember the area the way it used to
> be -- than it's been marketing regionally or nationally.
>
> So, long story short, no, we're not looking at starting a strip joint.
;-)

Oh...shoot!

[G.R. Patterson III]

Tom Sixkiller wrote:
>
> > So, long story short, no, we're not looking at starting a strip joint.
> ;-)
>
> Oh...shoot!

I bet Jay knows where one or two are, though. :-)

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[Jay Honeck]

> I bet Jay knows where one or two are, though. :-)

Heh, heh, heh. *Ahem*

Why yes, George, I can locate a couple of "target-rich environments" nearby,
as requested....

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:GJdQb.130213$I06.1128165@attbi_s01...
> > I bet Jay knows where one or two are, though. :-)
>
> Heh, heh, heh. *Ahem*
>
> Why yes, George, I can locate a couple of "target-rich environments"
nearby,
> as requested....
>
> ;-)

How nearby is _nearby_?

[Jay Honeck]

> How nearby is _nearby_?

Five minutes. ;-)

For now, anyway. The "Coralville Ballet" (as many of us euphemistically
call our local strip joint) is strategically located on the future site of
our new, federally funded, built-from-scratch rain forest! (I'm NOT
kidding.)

Although, in honesty, the really "good" clubs are about an hour way, in
Davenport. Around here they don't allow much skin to be shown.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[C J Campbell]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:4P8Qb.130626$xy6.533316@attbi_s02...
| > Its my fault yes i am a adrenaline addict! I even quit smoking (cold
| turkey
| > was 3 pack a day smoker) so i could get just that much higher been 3
| months
| > now quit October 22 (humm! day i soloed). i even quit going out to the
| strip
| > joints would rather study for another rating or go fly.
|
| Smoking? Good thing to quit. I quit cold turkey January 1, 1986 --
never
| looked back. (I was 2.5 packs per day for 14 years.)
|
| But quitting strip joints? Now you've crossed the line. You obviously
need
| help breaking this new addiction of yours...

We don't even have strip joints in Washington. I think they are illegal. So
much for Midwestern values. :-)

[Jay Honeck]

> We don't even have strip joints in Washington. I think they are illegal.
So
> much for Midwestern values. :-)

Hey, it gets very, very cold here, you know...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Marco Leon]

I think I'm seeing a new page after the Fly-In Museum project...

Now THAT you should copyright...

Marco

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:SmfQb.134571$na.210419@attbi_s04...
> > How nearby is _nearby_?
>
> Five minutes. ;-)
>
> For now, anyway. The "Coralville Ballet" (as many of us euphemistically
> call our local strip joint) is strategically located on the future site of
> our new, federally funded, built-from-scratch rain forest! (I'm NOT
> kidding.)
>
> Although, in honesty, the really "good" clubs are about an hour way, in
> Davenport. Around here they don't allow much skin to be shown.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>



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[Jay Honeck]

> Now THAT you should copyright...

Wow -- an index of Fly-In strip joints?

This could sell! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"

[MRQB]

In Portland, OR we have more strip joints than LA I used to be a safe ride
for the ladies never charged them a dime giving them rides to work and home
that stopped when i took one to my home to let her visit my bedroom and try
out my pillows when wife was gone well the wife showed up oops.

My wife still let's me go see my girls so she is not a bad wife she gives me
my freedom to go if i chouse to. If you have strip joints in your area get a
nice sports car and business cards become a Saferide Driver you will not
have time to do any thing with all the free lap dances and among other
things you may get to do with the ladies. idd rather fly and study for other
ratings than mess strippers at this point in my life.



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:4P8Qb.130626$xy6.533316@attbi_s02...
> > Its my fault yes i am a adrenaline addict! I even quit smoking (cold
> turkey
> > was 3 pack a day smoker) so i could get just that much higher been 3
> months
> > now quit October 22 (humm! day i soloed). i even quit going out to the
> strip
> > joints would rather study for another rating or go fly.
>
> Smoking? Good thing to quit. I quit cold turkey January 1, 1986 --
never
> looked back. (I was 2.5 packs per day for 14 years.)
>
> But quitting strip joints? Now you've crossed the line. You obviously
need
> help breaking this new addiction of yours...
>
> ;-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[MRQB]

Thats a great idea!


"EDR" > wrote in message
...
> In article <4P8Qb.130626$xy6.533316@attbi_s02>, Jay Honeck
> > wrote:
>
> > But quitting strip joints? Now you've crossed the line. You obviously
need
> > help breaking this new addiction of yours...
> > ;-)
>
> Hmmm.... does this mean we will be seeing such a place of business near
> the Inn?
> Will that be before or after the restaurant? (Or part of the restaurant
> bar?)
> I don't think I have ever come across an airport strip joint in my
> travels.

[Newps]

MRQB wrote:
> In Portland, OR we have more strip joints than LA I used to be a safe ride
> for the ladies never charged them a dime giving them rides to work and home
> that stopped when i took one to my home to let her visit my bedroom and try
> out my pillows when wife was gone well the wife showed up oops.
>
> My wife still let's me go see my girls so she is not a bad wife she gives me
> my freedom to go if i chouse to. If you have strip joints in your area get a
> nice sports car and business cards become a Saferide Driver you will not
> have time to do any thing with all the free lap dances and among other
> things you may get to do with the ladies. idd rather fly and study for other
> ratings than mess strippers at this point in my life.

I see you in a trailer park right now. Learn to read and write and
maybe those ratings you might get can actually be put to some use.

[Marty Shapiro]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:KGgQb.5043$U%5.27998@attbi_s03:

>> Now THAT you should copyright...
>
> Wow -- an index of Fly-In strip joints?
>
> This could sell! :-)

You could start with 0L4 (Lida Junction Airport, Goldfield, NV). From the
Pilots Guide to Soutwestern Airports:

Businesses: Gift shop.
Lodging: Cottontail Ranch, at field, Hourly rates, For men only."

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

[Jay Honeck]

> You could start with 0L4 (Lida Junction Airport, Goldfield, NV). From the
> Pilots Guide to Soutwestern Airports:
>
> Businesses: Gift shop.
> Lodging: Cottontail Ranch, at field, Hourly rates, For men only."

Marty, as inviting as this sounds, I'd best take a pass on this idea.

Maybe one of you single guys can put *this* list together...?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> I see you in a trailer park right now. Learn to read and write and
> maybe those ratings you might get can actually be put to some use.

Easy now, Newps. I've known department heads of fortune 1000 companies who
were less literate than our friend here.

His garage was bigger than my house.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[C J Campbell]

"Michael" > wrote in message
om...
|
| Aviation is not so much an industry as it is a disease. I think I'm
| quoting a former CEO of an airline here, and I think he nailed it.
|
| I was once asked what I had spent on my aviation habit. I did a rough
| calculation, and I blanched. It has to be close to a quarter of a
| million dollars. I suppose I could get some of that back selling my
| aircraft, my parachutes, and my tools - but most of it is gone
| forever, leaving nothing but memories. The crazy part is that I don't
| regret any of it. I think a normal person would.
|
| Aviators - the few, the proud, the totally insane.
|

Great. Yet another idiot reinforcing the public's opinion that we are
nothing but a bunch of spoiled romantics. Disposable spoiled romantics at
that.

Believe it or not, there are a few of us around that take aviation seriously
as transportation.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:TXuQb.137602$I06.1229445@attbi_s01...
> > You could start with 0L4 (Lida Junction Airport, Goldfield, NV). From
the
> > Pilots Guide to Soutwestern Airports:
> >
> > Businesses: Gift shop.
> > Lodging: Cottontail Ranch, at field, Hourly rates, For men only."
>
> Marty, as inviting as this sounds, I'd best take a pass on this idea.
>
> Maybe one of you single guys can put *this* list together...?
>
> ;-)

You coward!!

:~o

[Newps]

Nomen Nescio wrote:


>
> Careful, my butt hairs are just starting to grow back after the flaming I got in
> rec.aviation.student for having the arrogance to suggest that something just
> doesn't seem quite right about this boy.

Bring it on.

[Paul Sengupta]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:rkgQb.131202$I06.1149509@attbi_s01...
> > We don't even have strip joints in Washington. I think they are illegal.
> So
> > much for Midwestern values. :-)
>
> Hey, it gets very, very cold here, you know...

Too cold for the removing of clothes?

Paul

[Paul Sengupta]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> Great. Yet another idiot reinforcing the public's opinion that we are
> nothing but a bunch of spoiled romantics.
> Believe it or not, there are a few of us around that take aviation
seriously
> as transportation.

And some of us are just spoiled romantics!

:-)

Paul

[Ted Huffmire]

But what if he survived the accident only
to be badly burned and disfigured for the
remaining 40 years of his life?

Aviation is very unforgiving of mistakes.
We are in the stone age of aviation.
Hopefully personal aviation will someday
be safe enough "for the rest of us."

And there will be a AAA for pilots.

--Ted


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Gene Seibel wrote:
>
> You got that right. Charles Lindbergh said, 'Who valued life more
> highly, the aviators who spent it on the art they loved, or these
> misers who doled it out like pennies through their antlike days? I
> decided that if I could fly for ten years before I was killed in a
> crash, it would be a worthwhile trade for an ordinary lifetime.'
> --
> Gene Seibel
> Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
> Because I fly, I envy no one.
>

[Gene Seibel]

What if he had lived 80 years and done nothing with his life? That
would have disfigured his soul, a much greater tragedy than
disfiguring of mere flesh. When aviation is 'safe enough' for
everyone, I may as well play a video game.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.




Ted Huffmire > wrote in message >...
> But what if he survived the accident only
> to be badly burned and disfigured for the
> remaining 40 years of his life?
>
> Aviation is very unforgiving of mistakes.
> We are in the stone age of aviation.
> Hopefully personal aviation will someday
> be safe enough "for the rest of us."
>
> And there will be a AAA for pilots.
>
> --Ted
>
>
> --
> __
> / \___/ |
> / / |
> / _ |
> / / \ _|
> __ / --- / |
> \__/ \__ \/\
>
>
> Gene Seibel wrote:
> >
> > You got that right. Charles Lindbergh said, 'Who valued life more
> > highly, the aviators who spent it on the art they loved, or these
> > misers who doled it out like pennies through their antlike days? I
> > decided that if I could fly for ten years before I was killed in a
> > crash, it would be a worthwhile trade for an ordinary lifetime.'
> > --
> > Gene Seibel
> > Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
> > Because I fly, I envy no one.
> >

[Ted Huffmire]

The kinds of injuries people suffer in aircraft
accidents can inflict plenty of damage on the soul.

There is a cost-benefit continuum between the thrill
of flying and the risk of injury. Passengers might
hold a different opinion than pilots on this matter.
I think that passengers of Cessnas, Pipers, Beechcraft,
and other G.A. aircraft would prefer an accident rate
comparable to the airlines. In the future, technologically
superior aircraft will enable much higher safety than
today, even if the pilot is having a bad day.
It happens to the best of us.

Synthetic pilot vision is a first step, because IFR
flying requires the pilot to visualize the state of
his aircraft indirectly from the information provided
by the instruments. This cognitive task is prone to
error.

Yes, it is true that if we make flying as easy as
the Jetsons, more and more people will be attracted
to it. But there is no reason that we cannot address
the scalability problem of increased traffic.

Although pilots may disagree, there are many worthwhile
pursuits on the ground. Yes, watching the sunset over
half dome in Yosemite from an aircraft is fun.
So is flying from Honolulu
to Maui. The bay tour is a great experience.
A $100 hamburger at Jonesy's in Napa is grand. But
art, music, science, sports, technology, hiking,
nature, literature, theatre, travel, cycling,
academics, painting, photography, and many other
activities have tremendous rewards as well.

And your money can go much further as opposed to
spending $100 per hour on the Hobbs meter for a
Cessna 172.


--
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/ / |
/ _ |
/ / \ _|
__ / --- / |
\__/ \__ \/\


Gene Seibel wrote:
>
> What if he had lived 80 years and done nothing with his life? That
> would have disfigured his soul, a much greater tragedy than
> disfiguring of mere flesh. When aviation is 'safe enough' for
> everyone, I may as well play a video game.
> --
> Gene Seibel
> Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
> Because I fly, I envy no one.
>

[G.R. Patterson III]

Ted Huffmire wrote:
>
> Yes, it is true that if we make flying as easy as
> the Jetsons, more and more people will be attracted
> to it. But there is no reason that we cannot address
> the scalability problem of increased traffic.

Even if we can address that problem, I hardly think it will be much fun to fly
in such an environment. It will get more like the Garden State Parkway - afraid
to glance at that Osprey haunting the inlet you're passing because the brake
lights on the car ahead of you will come on as soon as you do.

George Patterson
Love, n.: A form of temporary insanity afflicting the young. It is curable
either by marriage or by removal of the afflicted from the circumstances
under which he incurred the condition. It is sometimes fatal, but more
often to the physician than to the patient.

[Bob Noel]

In article >, Ted Huffmire
> wrote:

> Although pilots may disagree, there are many worthwhile
> pursuits on the ground. Yes, watching the sunset over
> half dome in Yosemite from an aircraft is fun.

"fun"? "FUN"?!! even "grand" is a word that fails to describe it.

Not to mention the beauty of flying at night with CAVU
and a full moon.

darn little on the ground can compare.

--
Bob Noel

[Dylan Smith]

In article >, Ted Huffmire wrote:
> comparable to the airlines. In the future, technologically
> superior aircraft will enable much higher safety than
> today, even if the pilot is having a bad day.
<snip>
> And your money can go much further as opposed to
> spending $100 per hour on the Hobbs meter for a
> Cessna 172.

There will hopefully always be gliders.

The problem is with the highly technically advanced light plane is that
it would be about as much fun as flying an airliner. Much of the danger
of flying a light plane comes from the freedom, and really the only way
of making it safer is to take away that freedom. At that point, you may
as well drive because it's cheaper.

Many GA pilots fly because it's something they enjoy first, and having
utility is merely a useful side effect. Why did I own a VFR Cessna 140,
without even a DG, instead of an IFR equipped Bonanza? (and I could have
afforded one too) and avoided the risk of groundloops and being grounded
due to low IFR? Because the C140 was more _fun_. My money went a long
way in that C140. It worked out at about $30/hr to fly it. It was worth
every penny and more. I flew that little plane coast to coast across the
United States, often deciding my destination just before getting in the
plane. Sure, crossing the Sierra Nevadas in an 85-hp plane was in no way
a 'safe' endeavour, but I can't put a price on the experience now I look
back on it. That little plane helped me set foot in 26 US states in two
years in an amazing journey that just can't be had any other way.

In an automated, cotton-coated GA world with airline-like safety, there
would be no soul or fun left because you'd have to take the freedom
away.

Then there's always gliders. Sure, gliding isn't a 'safe' sport
(although it's not that dangerous either compared to many sports. By
contrast, my Dad still races motorcycles in international events like
the Isle of Man TT, a very unforgiving road race).

But how many golfers or hikers get the opportunity to take a winch
launch (at our site, that costs 5 quid, or about US$7) and then fly with
no other energy source than what's in the atmosphere for over an hour?
I had a very memorable flight towards the end of last year's gliding
season. How many people get to soar wingtip to wingtip with birds of
prey, or even a seagull? How many people know what it's like to look out
of the canopy, at the seagull effortlessly soaring with you, watching
you watching him? The struggle to stay airborne on a weak soaring day?
The thrill of getting out all the way to Snaefell (the local mountain)
not knowing for absolute sure there will be lift there, and suddenly
finding yourself in 6 knots up and being able to see the entire kingdom
from coast to coast?
Take away the danger from flying and you must necessary take away most
of the fun of it - things like this would have to go.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Paul Sengupta]

Oh, if anyone in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter) wants
a very nice Cessna 140, I know someone who's selling one. He's
bought a 170 and now has both, but the 140 is up for sale.

Based at Bourne Park in Hampshire.

Paul

"Dylan Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Why did I own a VFR Cessna 140,
> without even a DG, instead of an IFR equipped Bonanza? (and I could have
> afforded one too) and avoided the risk of groundloops and being grounded
> due to low IFR? Because the C140 was more _fun_. My money went a long
> way in that C140.

[Bob Noel]

In article >, Dylan Smith
> wrote:

> Take away the danger from flying and you must necessary take away most
> of the fun of it - things like this would have to go.

um, danger is not why I love flying. If I wanted danger I'd
do sport jumping or bungee-cords jumping or climb rock faces
(but I most definitely don't want the adrenilin rush from
these activities).

My flying became safer with the installation of a strikefiner,
but didn't become less fun.

My flying became safer with the installation of an engine analyzer
but didn't become less fun.

Having an instrument rating and being current makes my flying
safer but doesn't diminish the fun

My flying would become safer if I put in some sort of traffic
detection system, but wouldn't dimish the fun.

bottomline is that flying would not lose any enjoyment for me
if it was safer.

--
Bob Noel

[Dylan Smith]

In article >, Paul Sengupta wrote:
> Oh, if anyone in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter) wants
> a very nice Cessna 140, I know someone who's selling one. He's
> bought a 170 and now has both, but the 140 is up for sale.

Argh. Just when I *don't* have the money to buy one!

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Dylan Smith]

In article >, Bob
Noel wrote:
>> Take away the danger from flying and you must necessary take away most
>> of the fun of it - things like this would have to go.
>
> um, danger is not why I love flying.

<snip>

I never said it was. I said if you were to make GA as safe as the
airlines you'd lose the fun.

> My flying became safer with the installation of a strikefiner,
> but didn't become less fun.
<snip>
> bottomline is that flying would not lose any enjoyment for me
> if it was safer.

Do you know how the airlines make it so safe? Mainly it's by having
extremely strict procedures and a LOT of equipment. Would you still find
flying fun if you had to file IFR flight plans for every flight,
required a minimum crew of 2, all the regulations that airlines operate
under? Or do you never look out the window, think "It's a nice day, I
think I'll fly for half an hour" at lunchtime?

The flexibility of GA is what carries some of the risk. With all that
equipment that you enumerated, your flight risks are still MUCH greater
than that of the commercial airlines. If you want airline safety - then
you have to have airline inflexibility and airline procedures. Going for
a mostly unplanned half hour sightseeing flight will always carry
inherent risks precisely because it's a half hour sightseeing flight -
NOT because you are seeking danger. The flexibility of GA carries
inherent risks, and the only way to get rid of those risks is to get rid
of the flexibility. To me, that flexibility is where the fun is. I can
fly formation with hawks if I want, but I recognise to be able to do
this there will be inherent risks - and I think the biggest problem is
many GA pilots live in denial over these inherent risks.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Rob Perkins]

Ted Huffmire > wrote:

>And your money can go much further as opposed to
>spending $100 per hour on the Hobbs meter for a
>Cessna 172.

Bah. What's money for, if not to fly?

Rob

[Gene Seibel]

It's certain that each of us will have a different opinion on these
things. Cessnas, Pipers, and Beechcrafts aren't built for passengers.
They are built for pilots. Boeing and Airbus build airplanes for
passengers. It's not the risk we are after, but the challenge and the
opportunity to do something that few people do. Risk is only a
byproduct. I don't want to live in a virtual reality world. I want my
decisions to have real results and consequences. I want to accept
responsibility for those decisions. I agree that those who don't want
to accept responsibility for their decisions belong in a safe,
protected, boring environment. And yes, I enjoy numerous activities on
the ground.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.






Ted Huffmire > wrote in message >...
> The kinds of injuries people suffer in aircraft
> accidents can inflict plenty of damage on the soul.
>
> There is a cost-benefit continuum between the thrill
> of flying and the risk of injury. Passengers might
> hold a different opinion than pilots on this matter.
> I think that passengers of Cessnas, Pipers, Beechcraft,
> and other G.A. aircraft would prefer an accident rate
> comparable to the airlines. In the future, technologically
> superior aircraft will enable much higher safety than
> today, even if the pilot is having a bad day.
> It happens to the best of us.
>
> Synthetic pilot vision is a first step, because IFR
> flying requires the pilot to visualize the state of
> his aircraft indirectly from the information provided
> by the instruments. This cognitive task is prone to
> error.
>
> Yes, it is true that if we make flying as easy as
> the Jetsons, more and more people will be attracted
> to it. But there is no reason that we cannot address
> the scalability problem of increased traffic.
>
> Although pilots may disagree, there are many worthwhile
> pursuits on the ground. Yes, watching the sunset over
> half dome in Yosemite from an aircraft is fun.
> So is flying from Honolulu
> to Maui. The bay tour is a great experience.
> A $100 hamburger at Jonesy's in Napa is grand. But
> art, music, science, sports, technology, hiking,
> nature, literature, theatre, travel, cycling,
> academics, painting, photography, and many other
> activities have tremendous rewards as well.
>
> And your money can go much further as opposed to
> spending $100 per hour on the Hobbs meter for a
> Cessna 172.
>
>
> --
> __
> / \___/ |
> / / |
> / _ |
> / / \ _|
> __ / --- / |
> \__/ \__ \/\
>
>
> Gene Seibel wrote:
> >
> > What if he had lived 80 years and done nothing with his life? That
> > would have disfigured his soul, a much greater tragedy than
> > disfiguring of mere flesh. When aviation is 'safe enough' for
> > everyone, I may as well play a video game.
> > --
> > Gene Seibel
> > Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
> > Because I fly, I envy no one.
> >

[[email protected]]

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:34:01 -0000, Dylan Smith
> wrote:

>In article >, Bob
>Noel wrote:
>>> Take away the danger from flying and you must necessary take away most
>>> of the fun of it - things like this would have to go.
>>
>> um, danger is not why I love flying.
>
><snip>
>
>I never said it was. I said if you were to make GA as safe as the
>airlines you'd lose the fun.
>
>> My flying became safer with the installation of a strikefiner,
>> but didn't become less fun.
><snip>
>> bottomline is that flying would not lose any enjoyment for me
>> if it was safer.
>
>Do you know how the airlines make it so safe? Mainly it's by having
>extremely strict procedures and a LOT of equipment. Would you still find
>flying fun if you had to file IFR flight plans for every flight,
>required a minimum crew of 2, all the regulations that airlines operate
>under? Or do you never look out the window, think "It's a nice day, I
>think I'll fly for half an hour" at lunchtime?
>
>The flexibility of GA is what carries some of the risk. With all that
>equipment that you enumerated, your flight risks are still MUCH greater
>than that of the commercial airlines. If you want airline safety - then
>you have to have airline inflexibility and airline procedures. Going for
>a mostly unplanned half hour sightseeing flight will always carry
>inherent risks precisely because it's a half hour sightseeing flight -
>NOT because you are seeking danger. The flexibility of GA carries
>inherent risks, and the only way to get rid of those risks is to get rid
>of the flexibility. To me, that flexibility is where the fun is. I can
>fly formation with hawks if I want, but I recognise to be able to do
>this there will be inherent risks - and I think the biggest problem is
>many GA pilots live in denial over these inherent risks.

Flexibility and fun probably explains why we have two local British
Airways Pilots join our group (PA28-161).

David


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[Bob Noel]

In article >, Dylan Smith
> wrote:

> In article >, Bob
> Noel wrote:
> >> Take away the danger from flying and you must necessary take away most
> >> of the fun of it - things like this would have to go.
> >
> > um, danger is not why I love flying.
>
> <snip>
>
> I never said it was. I said if you were to make GA as safe as the
> airlines you'd lose the fun.

ok, I misunderstood your point. But I still disagree with your
conclusion that a safe flight cannot be fun. I do understand
how the airlines achieve safety. Please understand that not
everything the airlines do are necessary for safety (e.g.,
every single flight being IFR), and that the airline approach
to safety is not the only to achieve that level of safety.

--
Bob Noel