Must have aviation movies

[Ian]

What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
group.

Thanks

[Cecil E. Chapman]

I don't know if it qualifies as an 'aviation movie' but I like "Always"
with Richard Dreyfuss


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"Ian" > wrote in message
...
> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
> want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> group.
>
> Thanks

[G.R. Patterson III]

Ian wrote:
>
> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them?

I like "The War Lover" with Steve McQueen.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Ian" > wrote in message
...
> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
> want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> group.
>

Fighter Squadron
12 o'clock High
Gathering of Eagles
Strategic Air Command
Flight of the Phoenix
The Hunters
Jet Pilot
Airplane...okay, maybe not, along with those it satirizes*.
Flying Leathernecks
*Top Gun (....barf) & Hot Shots
Bridges at Toko Ri
Tuskegee Airmen
Captain Eddie

* Not a "Must Have".

[Newps]

Cecil E. Chapman wrote:

> I don't know if it qualifies as an 'aviation movie' but I like "Always"
> with Richard Dreyfuss

The A26 Tanker59 used in the movie is sitting on the field here in
Billings, next to its sister A26. Both for sale.

[real_name]

In article >,
Ian > wrote:

> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
> want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> group.
>
> Thanks

(in no particular order and please forgive any spelling errors)

Top Gun
Tuskegee Airmen
12 Oclock High
Flight of the Pheonix
Strategic Air Command
Always
Aviator
Bat-21
The Battle of Britain
Memphis Belle



some marginal ones:

Blue Thunder
Flying Tigers

[John Harlow]

Ian wrote:
> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them?
> I want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from
> the group.

"Airplane" - it's the only one worth watching.

[Paul Sengupta]

The Dambusters
633 Squadron
The Battle of Britain
Reach for the Sky
Aces High
Those Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines!

"Ian" > wrote in message
...
> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
> want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> group.

[Big John]

Tom

I hate to say it but I was in Jet Pilot.

Big John


On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:10:26 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller" >
wrote:

>
>"Ian" > wrote in message
...
>> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
>> want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
>> group.
>>
>
>Fighter Squadron
>12 o'clock High
>Gathering of Eagles
>Strategic Air Command
>Flight of the Phoenix
>The Hunters
>Jet Pilot
>Airplane...okay, maybe not, along with those it satirizes*.
>Flying Leathernecks
>*Top Gun (....barf) & Hot Shots
>Bridges at Toko Ri
>Tuskegee Airmen
>Captain Eddie
>
>* Not a "Must Have".
>
>
>

[Tune2828]

on the same topic i just saw "6 days 7 nights" on cable last night.

pretty lame romantic comedy, but it portrayed the pilot as a off beat yet
responsible character - who even started to turn back before getting trapped in
bad weather.

i wonder if harrison ford (a pilot) had anything to do with it - i can see
him in a meeting saying "that's ridiculous" when a writer proposes a wing falls
off.

[Jay Honeck]

> I hate to say it but I was in Jet Pilot.

No way! Which part did you get to play?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> *Top Gun (....barf) & Hot Shots

???

I think Top Gun has the best air-to-air combat footage of any airplane movie
ever made.

Hot Shots, while occasionally funny, is almost unwatchable.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[B25flyer]

Not seen much and so far not mentioned from the early 80s, "The Pilot" with
Cliff Robertson. Story line of a drunk airline pilot with some decent flying in
a Pitts thrown in.

Best line in the move, "There I was in the Sea of Cotez, floating on a bunch of
titties". You have to see it too understand. Mentioned the movie to Cliff at
OSH about 10 years ago and he said he had a blast making it.
Walt

[Jon Woellhaf]

"Forever Young" (1992), with Mel Gibson, has a terrific "flight training"
scene set in a tree house.

[Magic Fingers]

"Zero Hour". Ya gotta watch that BEFORE you watch "Airplane". "Airplane"
takes it's entire plot from "Zero Hour"...including big chunks of the exact
dialog. Makes "Airplane" even funnier after you see the "original".
Trust me!

"Jon Woellhaf" > wrote in message
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> "Forever Young" (1992), with Mel Gibson, has a terrific "flight training"
> scene set in a tree house.
>
>

[Corky Scott]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:00:02 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
]> wrote:

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>
>From: "Tom Sixkiller" >
>
>>Fighter Squadron
>>12 o'clock High
>>Gathering of Eagles
>>Strategic Air Command
>>Flight of the Phoenix
>>The Hunters
>>Jet Pilot
>>Airplane...okay, maybe not, along with those it satirizes*.
>>Flying Leathernecks
>>*Top Gun (....barf) & Hot Shots
>>Bridges at Toko Ri
>>Tuskegee Airmen
>>Captain Eddie
>>
>>* Not a "Must Have".
>
>You forgot "The Right Stuff"!
>
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>Version: 2.6.2

I have a couple of obscure but very good aviation specific movies no
one has mentioned yet:

"Island in the sky" from the book by the same name written by Ernest
K. Gann. Directed by William Wellman with Gann providing technical
expertise, I thought this was one of the most accurately made aviation
movies I've ever seen. John Wayne starred with Lloyd Nolan. Look for
Andy Devine in the cockpit of one of the search C-47's.

It's the story of a downed C-47 in northern Canada during winter circa
1943 or so and the search and rescue of the crew. Taken from an
incident that Gann played a small part in in real life.

"Cloud Dancer" starring David Carrodine and Jennifer O'Neil.
Carrodine portrays a competition aerobatic pilot who begins to suffer
consequences from the constant negative G's in the various
competitions.

The story goes all over the place but includes some scenes with a P-51
that has all it's machine guns being used to protect a drug route.

It was a while ago since I saw it but it was absolutely full of flying
scenes.

Corky Scott

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Big John" > wrote in message
...
> Tom
>
> I hate to say it but I was in Jet Pilot.

You were Janet Leigh in a previous life?


>
> Big John
>
>
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:10:26 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Ian" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them?
I
> >> want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> >> group.
> >>
> >
> >Fighter Squadron
> >12 o'clock High
> >Gathering of Eagles
> >Strategic Air Command
> >Flight of the Phoenix
> >The Hunters
> >Jet Pilot
> >Airplane...okay, maybe not, along with those it satirizes*.
> >Flying Leathernecks
> >*Top Gun (....barf) & Hot Shots
> >Bridges at Toko Ri
> >Tuskegee Airmen
> >Captain Eddie
> >
> >* Not a "Must Have".
> >
> >
> >
>

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
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> > *Top Gun (....barf) & Hot Shots
>
> ???
>
> I think Top Gun has the best air-to-air combat footage of any airplane
movie
> ever made.
>
> Hot Shots, while occasionally funny, is almost unwatchable.

You need to pay closer attention.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Tune2828" > wrote in message
...
> on the same topic i just saw "6 days 7 nights" on cable last night.
>
> pretty lame romantic comedy, but it portrayed the pilot as a off beat yet
> responsible character - who even started to turn back before getting
trapped in
> bad weather.
>
> i wonder if harrison ford (a pilot) had anything to do with it - i can
see
> him in a meeting saying "that's ridiculous" when a writer proposes a wing
falls

He actually did some flying for the movie (wing mounted camera shots), and
liked the D-H so much he bought one for himself shortly thereafter.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Nomen Nescio" ]> wrote in message
...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> From: "Tom Sixkiller" >
>
> >Fighter Squadron
> >12 o'clock High
> >Gathering of Eagles
> >Strategic Air Command
> >Flight of the Phoenix
> >The Hunters
> >Jet Pilot
> >Airplane...okay, maybe not, along with those it satirizes*.
> >Flying Leathernecks
> >*Top Gun (....barf) & Hot Shots
> >Bridges at Toko Ri
> >Tuskegee Airmen
> >Captain Eddie
> >
> >* Not a "Must Have".
>
> You forgot "The Right Stuff"!
>
Yeah!

BTW..._Jet Pilot_ was only great for the air footage.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Magic Fingers" > wrote in message
...
> "Zero Hour". Ya gotta watch that BEFORE you watch "Airplane".
"Airplane"
> takes it's entire plot from "Zero Hour"...including big chunks of the
exact
> dialog. Makes "Airplane" even funnier after you see the "original".
> Trust me!

Can't find that one anywhere.

The High and the Mighty...if you can find it, too.

[Michael 182]

Never saw the movie - is Stephen Coonts Flight of the Intruder any good? I
like his books - seems like they would make good movies. Also, some of John
Nance's books seem like natural movie fodder.


"Ian" > wrote in message
...
> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
> want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> group.
>
> Thanks

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Tom Sixkiller" > said:
>
>The High and the Mighty...if you can find it, too.

Rod Machado's web site has a clip showing the fine CRM in that movie.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Considering the number of wheels Microsoft has found reason to invent,
one never ceases to be baffled by the minuscule number whose shape even
vaguely resembles a circle. -- [unknown]

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Corky Scott" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Island in the sky" from the book by the same name written by Ernest
> K. Gann. Directed by William Wellman with Gann providing technical
> expertise, I thought this was one of the most accurately made aviation
> movies I've ever seen. John Wayne starred with Lloyd Nolan. Look for
> Andy Devine in the cockpit of one of the search C-47's.
>
> It's the story of a downed C-47 in northern Canada during winter circa
> 1943 or so and the search and rescue of the crew. Taken from an
> incident that Gann played a small part in in real life.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0045919/

Shows out of print. :~(


>
> "Cloud Dancer" starring David Carrodine and Jennifer O'Neil.
> Carrodine portrays a competition aerobatic pilot who begins to suffer
> consequences from the constant negative G's in the various
> competitions.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0080545/ (shows available only with German
over-dubbing??)

>
> The story goes all over the place but includes some scenes with a P-51
> that has all it's machine guns being used to protect a drug route.
>
> It was a while ago since I saw it but it was absolutely full of flying
> scenes.
>
> Corky Scott
>

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Ralf S." > wrote in message
...
> Anybody knows that movie with Robert redford about this Barnstorming
Period
> before and after WWI?
>
> I only know the German title "Die tollkühnen männer in Ihren fliegenden
> Kisten"
>
The Great Waldo Pepper

So-So!!

[Ralf S.]

Anybody knows that movie with Robert redford about this Barnstorming Period
before and after WWI?

I only know the German title "Die tollkühnen männer in Ihren fliegenden
Kisten"

rgds Ralf
"Ian" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
> want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> group.
>
> Thanks

[C J Campbell]

Flight of the Phoenix
Strategic Air Command
Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines (due out on DVD March 6th!)
The Dawn Patrol
The Blue Max
Twelve O'Clock High
The Dam Busters
Six Days Seven Nights
Fate is the Hunter
The Right Stuff
The Great Waldo Pepper
Midway
Tora Tora Tora
The Wings of Eagles
Five Weeks in a Balloon (1962 version)
Space Cowboys

[C J Campbell]

"Ralf S." > wrote in message
...
| Anybody knows that movie with Robert redford about this Barnstorming
Period
| before and after WWI?
|

The Great Waldo Pepper

[Ralf S.]

Found it:

The Great Waldo Pepper

It from 1975 but a very interesting movie

rgds
Ralf...
"Ralf S." > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
> Anybody knows that movie with Robert redford about this Barnstorming
Period
> before and after WWI?
>
> I only know the German title "Die tollkühnen männer in Ihren fliegenden
> Kisten"
>
> rgds Ralf
> "Ian" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> ...
> > What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
> > want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> > group.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>

[C J Campbell]

Might also mention "The Spirit of St. Louis"

[G.R. Patterson III]

Tom Sixkiller wrote:
>
> He actually did some flying for the movie (wing mounted camera shots), and
> liked the D-H so much he bought one for himself shortly thereafter.

That's the one where they're carrying on a conversation without headsets in a
normal tone of voice in a Beaver while in the air, right?

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[C J Campbell]

Almost every movie that somebody suggests will be panned by somebody else
because of 'inaccuracies.' Here is a list of all the movies that contain no
inaccuracies:

[Rob Perkins]

"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote:
>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>> Hot Shots, while occasionally funny, is almost unwatchable.
>
>You need to pay closer attention.

He has his father's eyes, y'see....

Oh, never mind.

Rob

[Wallace Berry]

In article >,
(B25flyer) wrote:

> Not seen much and so far not mentioned from the early 80s, "The Pilot" with
> Cliff Robertson. Story line of a drunk airline pilot with some decent flying
> in
> a Pitts thrown in.
>
> Best line in the move, "There I was in the Sea of Cotez, floating on a bunch
> of
> titties". You have to see it too understand. Mentioned the movie to Cliff at
> OSH about 10 years ago and he said he had a blast making it.
> Walt

Yep, a good one. What about the cockpit scene where Robertson pulls a
cover plate off a control of some sort, briefly looks at the underside
of the cover, and then replaces it. How many of you know what that was
about? ; )

[Wallace Berry]

In article >,
(Corky Scott) wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:00:02 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
> ]> wrote:
>
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >
> >From: "Tom Sixkiller" >
> >
> >>Fighter Squadron
> >>12 o'clock High
> >>Gathering of Eagles
> >>Strategic Air Command
> >>Flight of the Phoenix
> >>The Hunters
> >>Jet Pilot
> >>Airplane...okay, maybe not, along with those it satirizes*.
> >>Flying Leathernecks
> >>*Top Gun (....barf) & Hot Shots
> >>Bridges at Toko Ri
> >>Tuskegee Airmen
> >>Captain Eddie
> >>
> >>* Not a "Must Have".
> >
> >You forgot "The Right Stuff"!
> >
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> >Version: 2.6.2
>
> I have a couple of obscure but very good aviation specific movies no
> one has mentioned yet:
>
> "Island in the sky" from the book by the same name written by Ernest
> K. Gann. Directed by William Wellman with Gann providing technical
> expertise, I thought this was one of the most accurately made aviation
> movies I've ever seen. John Wayne starred with Lloyd Nolan. Look for
> Andy Devine in the cockpit of one of the search C-47's.
>
> It's the story of a downed C-47 in northern Canada during winter circa
> 1943 or so and the search and rescue of the crew. Taken from an
> incident that Gann played a small part in in real life.
>
> "Cloud Dancer" starring David Carrodine and Jennifer O'Neil.
> Carrodine portrays a competition aerobatic pilot who begins to suffer
> consequences from the constant negative G's in the various
> competitions.
>
> The story goes all over the place but includes some scenes with a P-51
> that has all it's machine guns being used to protect a drug route.
>
> It was a while ago since I saw it but it was absolutely full of flying
> scenes.
>
> Corky Scott
>

How about the scene where Carradine has to "dogfight the P-51 in a (I
think) Cherokee and wins?

[David Brooks]

The best thing about the not-yet-listed "Battle of Britain" is knowing that
they shot some of the scenes with models upside down, so that you couldn't
see them hanging from wires. Of course, it's easy to see the wires hanging
*down* from the bottoms of the planes.

-- David Brooks

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> Flight of the Phoenix
> Strategic Air Command
> Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines (due out on DVD March 6th!)
> The Dawn Patrol
> The Blue Max
> Twelve O'Clock High
> The Dam Busters
> Six Days Seven Nights
> Fate is the Hunter
> The Right Stuff
> The Great Waldo Pepper
> Midway
> Tora Tora Tora
> The Wings of Eagles
> Five Weeks in a Balloon (1962 version)
> Space Cowboys

[David Brooks]

"Ralf S." > wrote in message
...
> Anybody knows that movie with Robert redford about this Barnstorming
Period
> before and after WWI?
>
> I only know the German title "Die tollkühnen männer in Ihren fliegenden
> Kisten"

"The daring men in their flying crates" is too close to the title of a
completely different movie. What was wrong with "Der Große Waldo Pfeffer"
anyway?

-- David Brooks

[Peter Duniho]

"Ian" > wrote in message
...
> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
> want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> group.

Believe it or not, this thread has already been done to death. A few times.
Check out:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=b39704e56b6162fd&rnum=16
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=df0022feccdd48aa&rnum=10
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=da7e2c174edf300a&rnum=8
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=4c4c9b9bcdb87a6f&rnum=7
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=ac1d6f72fe3894b1&rnum=4

Here are short URLs for the above:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X3C763B27
http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2D731B27
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G4E721B27
http://makeashorterlink.com/?T4F721B27
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X11862B27

There are probably others. Google is your friend.

Pete

[Tom Sixkiller]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Tom Sixkiller wrote:
> >
> > He actually did some flying for the movie (wing mounted camera shots),
and
> > liked the D-H so much he bought one for himself shortly thereafter.
>
> That's the one where they're carrying on a conversation without headsets
in a
> normal tone of voice in a Beaver while in the air, right?

Can you imagine how that scene would play out on a THX sound system in the
theater?

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Michael 182" > wrote in message
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> Never saw the movie - is Stephen Coonts Flight of the Intruder any good? I
> like his books - seems like they would make good movies. Also, some of
John
> Nance's books seem like natural movie fodder.
>
>
I liked it, but it had so many places that lagged enough to put you to
sleep...

[Tom Sixkiller]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> Almost every movie that somebody suggests will be panned by somebody else
> because of 'inaccuracies.' Here is a list of all the movies that contain
no
> inaccuracies:
>
>

I never liked that one.

[Mike O'Malley]

"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Magic Fingers" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Zero Hour". Ya gotta watch that BEFORE you watch "Airplane".
> "Airplane"
> > takes it's entire plot from "Zero Hour"...including big chunks of the
> exact
> > dialog. Makes "Airplane" even funnier after you see the "original".
> > Trust me!
>
> Can't find that one anywhere.
>

> The High and the Mighty...if you can find it, too.
>
If you look, there's a few copies on VHS that show up on E-bay every now and
then. I got one a year or so ago (was about $80!). Crappy quality, looks
like a copy of a copy of a bootleg. But, since I was born after it was last
shown to the public, that was my only chance to see it...

Now, if anyone can find a copy of Zero Hour... I hear that the studio that
mad Airplane! bought the rights to that movie before they released it. Kind
sucks to keep a classic like that under lock and key for petty reasons like
that... It would almost be better to relase the two together I would
think...

--
Mike

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Rob Perkins" > wrote in message
...
> "Tom Sixkiller" > wrote:
> >"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> >> Hot Shots, while occasionally funny, is almost unwatchable.
> >
> >You need to pay closer attention.
>
> He has his father's eyes, y'see....
>
> Oh, never mind.

Damn...I lost my cap! Turn around and get it.

[Robert M. Gary]

"Only Angels have Wings" is my favorite. Good ole fashion flying by
the seat of the pants try to esablish a mail route in the middle of
nowhere. You even get to see a Ford Trimotor spin.

I recently saw "Flying Tigers" (John Wayne) and was not impressed. Too
much talking, not enough flying.

-Robert

Ian > wrote in message >...
> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
> want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> group.
>
> Thanks

[TooPlaneCrazy7]

Looks like no one mentioned "Dark Blue World" which is a story about two
Spitfire pilots that fall in love with the same woman (it came out before Pearl
Harbor!). Excellent flying sequences and some great shots of the Spitfires. I
believe this movie came out in early 2001.

http://www.sonyclassics.com/darkblueworld/index-withflash.html

[G.R. Patterson III]

TooPlaneCrazy7 wrote:
>
> Looks like no one mentioned "Dark Blue World" ....

If you try to rent this instead of buying it, be aware that some outfits put this
in the foreign language section.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[Dudley Henriques]

"Big John" > wrote in message
...
> Tom
>
> I hate to say it but I was in Jet Pilot.
>
> Big John

Don't tell me that beautiful vertical scissors in the 86 was YOU John? :-)))
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
For personal email, please replace
the z's with e's.
dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

[Dudley Henriques]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...

> I recently saw "Flying Tigers" (John Wayne) and was not impressed. Too
> much talking, not enough flying.

The three CW test pilots who did the flying for that movie were a first rate
team; Herb Fisher, Dan Reid, and Dick Griffin. Herb was a friend of mine for
many years and a charter member of the IFPF. They got a real kick out of
doing the movie, although as you have so correctly said, much of what they
actually got to do was restricted to takeoffs and landings. :-)
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
For personal email, please replace
the z's with e's.
dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

[Greg Burkhart]

What about 405: The Movie???
http://www.405themovie.com/Home.asp

"Ian" > wrote in message
...
> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
> want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> group.
>
> Thanks

[Jay Beckman]

"Michael 182" > wrote in message
news:gReQb.106812$sv6.513256@attbi_s52...
> Never saw the movie - is Stephen Coonts Flight of the Intruder any good? I
> like his books - seems like they would make good movies. Also, some of
John
> Nance's books seem like natural movie fodder.

Personally, I like FOTI. They stayed truer to that book than any of the Tom
Clancy stories which were made into movies.

I walked out on Hunt For Red October. Like Sean Connery, but they shelved
too much of the original for my liking.

Regards,

Jay In AZ


>
>
> "Ian" > wrote in message
> ...
> > What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
> > want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> > group.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>

[Ralf S.]

I guess the problem was that knowbody knows who Pepper is or was.
German people want to know what a movie is about from the title.
That's why they had to put in "Flieger"

I orderd it today under the title "Die tollkühnen Flieger".
Now that`s funny. Three different titles. One US and two German for one
movie.....

Ralf

"David Brooks" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
> "Ralf S." > wrote in message
> ...
> > Anybody knows that movie with Robert redford about this Barnstorming
> Period
> > before and after WWI?
> >
> > I only know the German title "Die tollkühnen männer in Ihren fliegenden
> > Kisten"
>
> "The daring men in their flying crates" is too close to the title of a
> completely different movie. What was wrong with "Der Große Waldo Pfeffer"
> anyway?
>
> -- David Brooks
>
>

[Cub Driver]

Seven Days, Six Nights (or maybe it was the other way around)
all the best -- Dan Ford
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[Cub Driver]

>I only know the German title "Die tollkühnen männer in Ihren fliegenden
>Kisten"

I think you'r conflating two films. That would be Those Wonderful Men
in Their Flying Machines, second-rate at best.

The Robert Redford film would be The Great Waldo Pepper. Not bad!

all the best -- Dan Ford
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[Cub Driver]

>I recently saw "Flying Tigers" (John Wayne) and was not impressed. Too
>much talking, not enough flying.

Too much bullfeathers, not enough history.

There was absolutely nothing in the film remotely connected to reality
except for the shots (evidently taken from Japanese footage) of the
NAH-KAH-JEEM-AH fighters.


all the best -- Dan Ford
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[Neil Gould]

Recently, Ian > posted:

> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them?
> I want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from
> the group.
>
An obscure one that hasn't been mentioned yet: "Avro Arrow" w/Dan Akroyd.

Neil

[B25flyer]

Over a cup of coffee and reading this brings up one I had forgotten about and
can not remember the name of. It has to do with a Canadian company coming up
with a new design for a jet. It was based on a true story during the 60's. Any
off our frozen Canuck friends remember the name?

Walt

[Bill J]

Several have mentioned the GREAT Ernie Gann stories that were made into
movies.
The High and the Mighty and Island in the Sky are both very well done
and true to the author, I have copies of both. There is an outfit that
has Island for sale, but it is a poor copy.

Did anyone mention "The Aviator" starring Christopher Reeves? Another
Gann story depicting an air mail pilot in trouble over the Rockies.
Gives you a good feel for the IFR environment in an open cockpit. This
one is usually available in rental outlets.

Then there is "Fate is the Hunter", sometimes still shown on the air.
The movie is a Gann title only. Nothing like the book, and not much of a
movie.



Ian wrote:
> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
> want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> group.
>
> Thanks

[Neil Gould]

Recently, B25flyer > posted:

> Over a cup of coffee and reading this brings up one I had forgotten
> about and can not remember the name of. It has to do with a Canadian
> company coming up with a new design for a jet. It was based on a true
> story during the 60's. Any off our frozen Canuck friends remember the
> name?
>
That *is* "Avro Arrow". It has to do with the development of delta wing
jet designs. Akroyd plays the CEO of Avro.

Neil

[B25flyer]

>>
>That *is* "Avro Arrow". It has to do with the development of delta wing
>jet designs. Akroyd plays the CEO of Avro.

Ok. thanks. As soon as you said that the light went on.
Walt

[John Gaquin]

In addition to numerous others mentioned, a film called "No Highway", based
on the Nevil Shute novel "No Highway in the Sky", is pretty good. Glenn
Ford, and a few other name brand actors, dealing with unexplained airline
crashes. Book was better, but that's not unusual.

There's also a Gann novel called "Blaze of Noon" that was pretty
interesting, dealing with the early airmail/airline days, and might convert
to a pretty good film. It was made into a film in 1947, but I've never seen
it. Anyone?

JG

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
>
> Seven Days, Six Nights (or maybe it was the other way around)

You just like watching the Beaver; and no, I'm not referring to...

[TooPlaneCrazy7]

I heard that there's a movie coming out about Mexico's "Aztec Eagles" P-47
fighter squadron of WWII. Supposed to be like Tuskegee Airmen, except these
guys had it worse--they weren't even allowed back into their country after the
war. It supposedly is gonna have some great Pre-WW1 flying stuff dealing with
the Mexican Revolution.

[Big John]

Jay

I was a pilot in one of the birds that taxied out of the parking area.

They told us to 'burn rubber' so it wouldn't take as many minutes on
screen and I blew all the Mechs and loose items away leaving :o(

Anything for Hollywood.

Didn't even have one of the principals in the bird, just one of my
regular students and we went on and completed his training mission.

They gave us a pre view of film before release and you never heard
such hooting and hollering the way it was cut.

Big John


On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:29:52 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> I hate to say it but I was in Jet Pilot.
>
>No way! Which part did you get to play?

[Cub Driver]

>I guess the problem was that knowbody knows who Pepper is or was.
>German people want to know what a movie is about from the title.

I didn't have the faintest idea who Waldo Pepper was, either. I went
to the film because it starred Robert Redford and some neat old
planes.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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[Big John]

TPC

A bit of errata on Mexician 'Jugs'.

Was at Swea****er Air Base, TX (after the WASP's had left) going
through P-47 RTU.

First morning of check outs and I was one of the first three to fly.
Cranked the R2800 up and called tower for taxi instructions.

They told me to shut down as just received word to transfer all the
birds to Mexico.

Never did get to fly the bird as I then went into P-51's.

The P-47's were the D-20 model and only had 10 or so hours on them
(brand new). Probably replaced the war weary birds Mexico had in the
Aztec Eagles Squadron.

Big John



On 24 Jan 2004 19:59:24 GMT, (TooPlaneCrazy7)
wrote:

>I heard that there's a movie coming out about Mexico's "Aztec Eagles" P-47
>fighter squadron of WWII. Supposed to be like Tuskegee Airmen, except these
>guys had it worse--they weren't even allowed back into their country after the
>war. It supposedly is gonna have some great Pre-WW1 flying stuff dealing with
>the Mexican Revolution.

[Big John]

Dudley

I screwed up again :o(

Went back in my files and movie was "Student Pilot" not "Jet Pilot"
which was not a very good action film either even with 'names' in it.

"Student Pilot" was filmed at Williams AFB (Willie Field), the Jet
School, in 1951. Aircraft were T-33A and F-80B. Principals I had never
heard of prior and never heard of after. It wasn't a "B' movie, more
like a 'C' or 'D' and flying was shot in a week. Had more stilted
lovey dovey than tiger training.

My records show I also flew in some of the formation parts of film
besides the on ground filming.

Awe well, what is past is past. Didn't want my name associated with it
then and not trying to get in the credits now.

John




On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:34:02 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> wrote:

>
>"Big John" > wrote in message
...
>> Tom
>>
>> I hate to say it but I was in Jet Pilot.
>>
>> Big John
>
>Don't tell me that beautiful vertical scissors in the 86 was YOU John? :-)))
>Dudley Henriques
>International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
>Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
>For personal email, please replace
>the z's with e's.
>dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt
>

[Big John]

CD

Robert L Scott who wrote "God is my co-pilot" was the Base Commander
where I was stationed.

One night at the club a drunken Ace from WWII cornered him and gave
him a hard time about writing the book and what it contained.

Scott's reply was:

quote

"I can sit down right now and write a check for $100,000, can you?"

End of quote and end of discussion.

Big John


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:55:36 -0500, Cub Driver
> wrote:

>
>>I recently saw "Flying Tigers" (John Wayne) and was not impressed. Too
>>much talking, not enough flying.
>
>Too much bullfeathers, not enough history.
>
>There was absolutely nothing in the film remotely connected to reality
>except for the shots (evidently taken from Japanese footage) of the
>NAH-KAH-JEEM-AH fighters.
>
>
>all the best -- Dan Ford
>email:
>
>see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
>and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[Dudley Henriques]

"Big John" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley
>
> I screwed up again :o(

Only ONCE!!!! Hell, I do that all the time!! :-))
>
> Went back in my files and movie was "Student Pilot" not "Jet Pilot"
> which was not a very good action film either even with 'names' in it.
>
> "Student Pilot" was filmed at Williams AFB (Willie Field), the Jet
> School, in 1951. Aircraft were T-33A and F-80B. Principals I had never
> heard of prior and never heard of after. It wasn't a "B' movie, more
> like a 'C' or 'D' and flying was shot in a week. Had more stilted
> lovey dovey than tiger training.
>
> My records show I also flew in some of the formation parts of film
> besides the on ground filming.
>
> Awe well, what is past is past. Didn't want my name associated with it
> then and not trying to get in the credits now.
>
> John

Willie Air Patch was really something back then eh BJ? Was Bob Scott the CO
out there when you were there? He is a charter member of the old IFPF, and
one of the nicest guys I've ever known. I believe Bob was CO at Willie in
50. I guess you knew the Pattillo twins, Dick Catledge and the guys as well.
I remember you asking me about Creech!! I think they came in a bit later in
53 at Luke.
Quite a time those days. People and times to remember for sure.
I don't know if you remember Dave McAllister and Bill Spruance's accident in
the T-Bird. That was around that time.
God, I'm wandering all around here :-))
Dudley

[Dudley Henriques]

"Big John" > wrote in message
...
> CD
>
> Robert L Scott who wrote "God is my co-pilot" was the Base Commander
> where I was stationed.
>
> One night at the club a drunken Ace from WWII cornered him and gave
> him a hard time about writing the book and what it contained.
>
> Scott's reply was:
>
> quote
>
> "I can sit down right now and write a check for $100,000, can you?"
>
> End of quote and end of discussion.
>
> Big John

Tell you how GIMCP was written BJ. Bob was approached by Charlie Scribner.
Scribner told Bob he had a great story to tell and handed Scotty a bunch of
those cylinder things for the talking machines and locked Bob in a room at
the Waldorf in New York. Bob wrote the whole damn story in one weekend
locked in that room! Then Jack Warner got in on it and the rest is history.
A funny aside to all this is that Warner Bros hired Richard Loo, the great
Asian actor to do the Tokyo Joe "ace" part in the picture and Bob has spent
the rest of his life on the lecture circuit telling people that he didn't
ACTUALLY shoot down Tokyo Joe!! :-))
Dudley

[Big John]

B-25 jock

Canadian Fighter Interceptors were:

CF-100 Canauck
CF-101B Voodoo
CF-18 Hornet (Current)

CF-105 Arrow (Made by Avro)

The arrow was developed and 5 made with the J-75 engine but it never
went into service.

As I recall (I was in ADC) it was basically a cost problem to
manufacture so they bought our F-101B Interceptor which was twin
engine two place like they wanted.

You can read about it's development at
<http://www.airspacemag.com/asm/mag/supp/am98/floyd1.html>

Long dissertation but if you are interested in supersonic aircraft
design it's written in language that a man on the street can
understand.

Big John


On 24 Jan 2004 14:02:40 GMT, (B25flyer) wrote:

>Over a cup of coffee and reading this brings up one I had forgotten about and
>can not remember the name of. It has to do with a Canadian company coming up
>with a new design for a jet. It was based on a true story during the 60's. Any
>off our frozen Canuck friends remember the name?
>
>Walt

[Wizard of Draws]

>
> Tell you how GIMCP was written BJ. Bob was approached by Charlie Scribner.
> Scribner told Bob he had a great story to tell and handed Scotty a bunch of
> those cylinder things for the talking machines and locked Bob in a room at
> the Waldorf in New York. Bob wrote the whole damn story in one weekend
> locked in that room! Then Jack Warner got in on it and the rest is history.
> A funny aside to all this is that Warner Bros hired Richard Loo, the great
> Asian actor to do the Tokyo Joe "ace" part in the picture and Bob has spent
> the rest of his life on the lecture circuit telling people that he didn't
> ACTUALLY shoot down Tokyo Joe!! :-))
> Dudley
>
>

Sadly, it seems that much of the average American's knowledge of history
is gained via the silver screen. Ever since I was 10 or 11 and saw a
blatant historical error in a movie, it's ****ed me off when I think
that someone got paid mega bucks to create an enduring version of
history that any literate person would know is false.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

"Cartoons with a Touch of Magic"
http://www.wizardofdraws.com
http://www.cartoonclipart.com

[aaronw]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:30:21 -0600, "Mike O'Malley"
> wrote:

>Now, if anyone can find a copy of Zero Hour... I hear that the studio that
>mad Airplane! bought the rights to that movie before they released it. Kind
>sucks to keep a classic like that under lock and key for petty reasons like
>that... It would almost be better to relase the two together I would
>think...

Well, I can't find the reference to it now, but on some board I was
on, someone mentioned that Turner Classic Movies runs Zero Hour every
once in a blue moon. So, set your TiVo for 'Zero Hour', in the movie
category, and you might get lucky.

aw

[Big John]

Dudley

Yep. Scott was CO for a year or so.Think he went to Washington when he
left? We had jets at Willie but he had a P-51 that was pre-flighted
and pulled out in front of Base Ops every day. Never saw it
fly!!!!!!!!!!! I tried to get to fly it an hour a week to keep gaskets
in Merlin from going bad but no luck.

You of course remember Leon (the Peon) Gray? Training Group Commander?
Lots of stories about him but not the place or time <G>

Don't remember the deaths you asked about. I did get a copy of the
Willie History with accidents and fatalities from Maxwell for a
Reunion of the Instructors we had 10 years ago. I'll list some of them
so all will know how dangerous it was to fly at that time and place.

MAJOR ACCIDENTS - July-September 1951

5 Jul TF-80A Stall, ground collision
5 Jul TF-80A Porpoised on landing
10 Jul F-80A Wheels up landing in cotton patch
17 Jul TF-80B Landed short of runway. hard landing
19 Jul TF-80A Hard landing
24 Jul F-80A Collided with T-33 in formation flight
Pilot killed
24 Jul T-33A Mid-air collision
26 Jul T-33A Explosion in plenum chamber
30 Jul T-6F Left wing tip struck ground.
T-6 rammed row of parked T-28's
30 Jul T-28A Damaged by T-6
30 Jul T-28A Damaged by T-6
7 Aug TF-80A Turbine wheel failure
7 Aug T-6A Controls jammed. Pilot bailed out.
16 Aug F-80A Explosion in flight. Student killed.
22 Aug F-80A Spin, wheels up landing, fire.
22 Aug F-80A Landed short, sheared left gear.
28 Aug T-6F Stalled on final turn, collided with
ground. Fatal
4 Sept TF-80A Ground collision. Fatal.

MAJOR ACCIDENTS - Oct-Dec 1951

21 Sep F-80A Spin. Pilot bailed out.
22 Sep T-6D Nose up landing.
24 Sep T-6D Nose up landing.
9 Oct T-6D Loss of control. Ground loop.
10 Oct T-33 Hard landing
15 Oct TF-80A Loss of control. Fatal.
16 Oct T-6F Wheels up landing
30 Oct F-80A Vertigo at night. Fatal
7 Nov T-6D Taxi accident. Hit truck.
19 Nov T-6F Wheels up landing
19 Nov TF-80A Compressor stalled. Fire on ground.
3 Dec F-80 Final turn spin. Fatal
4 Dec F-80 Fire in Engine. Pilot bailed ok
11 Dec T-6D Cart wheeled during formation take
off.
14 Dec T-6D Taxi accident. Hit right wing.
18 Dec T-6F Taxi accident. Hit another A/C and
nosed up

MAJOR ACCIDENTS - Jan - Mar 1952


9 Jan F-80A Final turn spin. French Cadet fatal.
13 Jan F-80B Stall in Final turn. Fatal Norwegian
Cadet.
16 Jan T-33 Tip tank came off.Fatal
Netherlands
Cadet
22 Jan T-33 Blew tires off R/W. Major gear damage.
19 Jan T-6F Ground loop
24 Jan T-6F Engine stoppage. Bail out.
29 Jan T-33 Inverted spin. Fatal
29 Jan TF-80A Premature pulled gear. Bellied in.
25 Feb T-33 Wheels up landing.
26 Feb F-80 Collision on final. No injuries
26 Feb T-33 Collision on final. No injuries
29 Feb T-33 Collision w/power lines. No injuries
29 Feb F-80A Flame out. Belly landing. No injuries.
7 Mar T-6F Wheels up. Pilot disabled by CO
7 Mar F-80B Ground collision cause unknown. Fatal.
7 Mar T-33 Collision on final. No injuries
7 Mar F-80A Collision on final. No injuries.
9 Mar T-33 Out of fuel. Belly landing.
12 Mar F-80B Formation midair. No injuries
12 Mar T-33 Formation midair. No injuries
27 Mar T-33 Fuel shortage. Crash land. No injuries
28 Mar T-6F Buzzing. Instructor critical injuries.


I have several more years of accidents with more or less fatalities
each month. We averaged 3-4 deaths (Students/Instructors) a month at
Willie while I was there.

I only lost one student while I was there. Night flight in a T-33 and
ran out of fuel just after take off because he didn't gang load his
fuel switches for take off.

As was said, luck and skill needed to survive when the students were
trying to kill you..


Big John


On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:56:10 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> wrote:

>
>"Big John" > wrote in message
...
>> Dudley
>>
>> I screwed up again :o(
>
>Only ONCE!!!! Hell, I do that all the time!! :-))
>>
>> Went back in my files and movie was "Student Pilot" not "Jet Pilot"
>> which was not a very good action film either even with 'names' in it.
>>
>> "Student Pilot" was filmed at Williams AFB (Willie Field), the Jet
>> School, in 1951. Aircraft were T-33A and F-80B. Principals I had never
>> heard of prior and never heard of after. It wasn't a "B' movie, more
>> like a 'C' or 'D' and flying was shot in a week. Had more stilted
>> lovey dovey than tiger training.
>>
>> My records show I also flew in some of the formation parts of film
>> besides the on ground filming.
>>
>> Awe well, what is past is past. Didn't want my name associated with it
>> then and not trying to get in the credits now.
>>
>> John
>
>Willie Air Patch was really something back then eh BJ? Was Bob Scott the CO
>out there when you were there? He is a charter member of the old IFPF, and
>one of the nicest guys I've ever known. I believe Bob was CO at Willie in
>50. I guess you knew the Pattillo twins, Dick Catledge and the guys as well.
>I remember you asking me about Creech!! I think they came in a bit later in
>53 at Luke.
>Quite a time those days. People and times to remember for sure.
>I don't know if you remember Dave McAllister and Bill Spruance's accident in
>the T-Bird. That was around that time.
>God, I'm wandering all around here :-))
>Dudley
>

[C J Campbell]

Oddly, no one has mentioned "Dr. Strangelove" yet.

[Philip Sondericker]

in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 1/24/04 10:00 PM:

> Oddly, no one has mentioned "Dr. Strangelove" yet.

I've read that the cockpit of the B-52 depicted in that film was extremely
realistic, and the details were gotten entirely from Janes magazine.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> Oddly, no one has mentioned "Dr. Strangelove" yet.
>
You just did.

[Cub Driver]

>"I can sit down right now and write a check for $100,000, can you?"

Seems to me, that pretty much proved the drunk's point.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

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and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[Dudley Henriques]

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
>
> >"I can sit down right now and write a check for $100,000, can you?"
>
> Seems to me, that pretty much proved the drunk's point.
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford

No it wouldn't!

I hate to see someone who has supposedly done a ton of research on these
things make such an assumption, and I will try to rectify this "expert"
opinion if I may. Feel free to counter my point if you like.

Scott's book was accurate. It was Jack Warner who changed things around to
make the movie more "interesting", and Scott had no say in the final. But my
point just begins here. Even the movie, although containing characters
inserted in the screenplay for interest, was accurate on Scott. There was no
misrepresentation of his kills, his time in China, and most importantly, no
reference to him making claim to AVG membership. The one reference that
could be made to such a claim was not done by Scott, but by an advertising
agency for Warner Bros on a poster pushing the movie. Scott had absolutely
no control over this and couldn't have stopped it had he known about it.
Through time, there were several members of the Tigers who faulted Scott on
the story based on the false assumption that Bob had portrayed himself as
one of the Tigers which of course he had not done at all. No where in his
book does he claim to have been a member of the Tigers. Warner Bros. made
this parity and totally confused the issue. Scotty has been falsely accused
for years of making the association with the Tigers and he had absolutely
nothing to do with it. George Burgard wouldn't even speak Bob's name he
disliked him so much.
When Charlie Scribner cornered Bob and asked him to write a book about his
experiences in China, Bob agreed, and he wrote a great story. He had every
reason to believe that Warner Bros would treat the story as he had written
it. At the time, Scott was not nearly the experienced writer he later
became. He hadn't learned yet how the money men in Hollywood embellish and
twist things around to make them more "salable".
Anyone who knows anything at all about Bob Scott knows that he's a totally
honest man who would never misrepresent himself to anyone. So you're wrong!
The drunk was out of line....and he didn't have all the facts.
Bob Scott was one of the charter members of the IFPF. In over thirty years,
he has never misrepresented himself or anything that he did in China to me
or to anyone else I know...and I know a lot of these people! People known to
me personally who would also agree that the drunk was way out of line would
be the Rossi's, Eric Shilling, and Anna Chennault.
You know Mr. Ford, you have a way of trying to make people appear less than
they really are. It's sad! After writing what you consider a major work on
the Tigers, it's a shame that all you would have to say about General Scott
is what you posted here. I respectfully suggest you do some additional
research on General Scott.

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
For personal email, please replace
the z's with e's.
dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

[Dudley Henriques]

"Big John" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley
>
> Yep. Scott was CO for a year or so.Think he went to Washington when he
> left?

That's right. It was there he got in trouble with the brass and then ended
up back at Luke.

We had jets at Willie but he had a P-51 that was pre-flighted
> and pulled out in front of Base Ops every day. Never saw it
> fly!!!!!!!!!!! I tried to get to fly it an hour a week to keep gaskets
> in Merlin from going bad but no luck.

You would have liked it. I flew one for several years on the airshow
circuit. Great bird! Fun, like the 86!
>
> You of course remember Leon (the Peon) Gray? Training Group Commander?
> Lots of stories about him but not the place or time <G>

Just by reputation! Remember, I'm a civilian who just happens to have flown
a lot of military airplanes. I can't claim the official military time you
guys can.....although I seem to remember having a form 5 floating around
here somewhere with some "unofficial" time on it. I'm afraid all of my
thousands of hours in airplanes, were spent as a lowly civilian!!!
I understand the place and time though. Sort of like Creech in that respect
:-))
>
> Don't remember the deaths you asked about.

Bill Spruance and Dave McAllister were coming back to Delaware in a T-Bird
in 61. They stopped at Scott to refuel. On takeoff, they flamed out. Dave
was killed outright and Spruance was burned so badly they gave him the last
rights at the crash site. He survived. He gave lectures for years on flight
safety issues. Dave was the CO of the 142nd FS Delaware ANG and a great guy.
His family was in the food catering business and manufactured the best damn
snapper soup ever to see the light of day. Dave used to fill the gun bays of
his F86H and fly the stuff all over the country to his buddies.



I did get a copy of the
> Willie History with accidents and fatalities from Maxwell for a
> Reunion of the Instructors we had 10 years ago. I'll list some of them
> so all will know how dangerous it was to fly at that time and place.
>
> MAJOR ACCIDENTS - July-September 1951
>
> 5 Jul TF-80A Stall, ground collision
> 5 Jul TF-80A Porpoised on landing
> 10 Jul F-80A Wheels up landing in cotton patch
> 17 Jul TF-80B Landed short of runway. hard landing
> 19 Jul TF-80A Hard landing
> 24 Jul F-80A Collided with T-33 in formation flight
> Pilot killed
> 24 Jul T-33A Mid-air collision
> 26 Jul T-33A Explosion in plenum chamber
> 30 Jul T-6F Left wing tip struck ground.
> T-6 rammed row of parked T-28's
> 30 Jul T-28A Damaged by T-6
> 30 Jul T-28A Damaged by T-6
> 7 Aug TF-80A Turbine wheel failure
> 7 Aug T-6A Controls jammed. Pilot bailed out.
> 16 Aug F-80A Explosion in flight. Student killed.
> 22 Aug F-80A Spin, wheels up landing, fire.
> 22 Aug F-80A Landed short, sheared left gear.
> 28 Aug T-6F Stalled on final turn, collided with
> ground. Fatal
> 4 Sept TF-80A Ground collision. Fatal.
>
> MAJOR ACCIDENTS - Oct-Dec 1951
>
> 21 Sep F-80A Spin. Pilot bailed out.
> 22 Sep T-6D Nose up landing.
> 24 Sep T-6D Nose up landing.
> 9 Oct T-6D Loss of control. Ground loop.
> 10 Oct T-33 Hard landing
> 15 Oct TF-80A Loss of control. Fatal.
> 16 Oct T-6F Wheels up landing
> 30 Oct F-80A Vertigo at night. Fatal
> 7 Nov T-6D Taxi accident. Hit truck.
> 19 Nov T-6F Wheels up landing
> 19 Nov TF-80A Compressor stalled. Fire on ground.
> 3 Dec F-80 Final turn spin. Fatal
> 4 Dec F-80 Fire in Engine. Pilot bailed ok
> 11 Dec T-6D Cart wheeled during formation take
> off.
> 14 Dec T-6D Taxi accident. Hit right wing.
> 18 Dec T-6F Taxi accident. Hit another A/C and
> nosed up
>
> MAJOR ACCIDENTS - Jan - Mar 1952
>
>
> 9 Jan F-80A Final turn spin. French Cadet fatal.
> 13 Jan F-80B Stall in Final turn. Fatal Norwegian
> Cadet.
> 16 Jan T-33 Tip tank came off.Fatal
> Netherlands
> Cadet
> 22 Jan T-33 Blew tires off R/W. Major gear damage.
> 19 Jan T-6F Ground loop
> 24 Jan T-6F Engine stoppage. Bail out.
> 29 Jan T-33 Inverted spin. Fatal
> 29 Jan TF-80A Premature pulled gear. Bellied in.
> 25 Feb T-33 Wheels up landing.
> 26 Feb F-80 Collision on final. No injuries
> 26 Feb T-33 Collision on final. No injuries
> 29 Feb T-33 Collision w/power lines. No injuries
> 29 Feb F-80A Flame out. Belly landing. No injuries.
> 7 Mar T-6F Wheels up. Pilot disabled by CO
> 7 Mar F-80B Ground collision cause unknown. Fatal.
> 7 Mar T-33 Collision on final. No injuries
> 7 Mar F-80A Collision on final. No injuries.
> 9 Mar T-33 Out of fuel. Belly landing.
> 12 Mar F-80B Formation midair. No injuries
> 12 Mar T-33 Formation midair. No injuries
> 27 Mar T-33 Fuel shortage. Crash land. No injuries
> 28 Mar T-6F Buzzing. Instructor critical injuries.
>
>
> I have several more years of accidents with more or less fatalities
> each month. We averaged 3-4 deaths (Students/Instructors) a month at
> Willie while I was there.
>
> I only lost one student while I was there. Night flight in a T-33 and
> ran out of fuel just after take off because he didn't gang load his
> fuel switches for take off.

That very well might have the problem with the J33 on Mcallister's T-Bird as
well......or emergency fuel select....God only knows!
>
> As was said, luck and skill needed to survive when the students were
> trying to kill you..

Sounds like you did ok getting through it all. :-)
Dudley

[Rosspilot]

>Hot Shots, while occasionally funny, is almost unwatchable.

I can watch Valeria Golina for 2 hours easily. No problem. <G>


www.Rosspilot.com

[Don Tuite]

Anybody mention "Flying Deuces?"

Don

[Paul Sengupta]

"David Brooks" > wrote in message
...
> "Ralf S." > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I only know the German title "Die tollkühnen männer in Ihren fliegenden
> > Kisten"
>
> "The daring men in their flying crates" is too close to the title of a
> completely different movie.

Isn't "Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines" is it?

Paul

[Paul Sengupta]

I did! But in a different thread.

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=sonyclassics&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
&scoring=d&selm=buom9u%24ni4%241%40newstree.wise.edt.ericsson .se&rnum=3

Or

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L17522237

I've got the DVD.

Anyone mentioned "Air America" yet?

Paul

"TooPlaneCrazy7" > wrote in message
...
> Looks like no one mentioned "Dark Blue World" which is a story about two
> Spitfire pilots that fall in love with the same woman (it came out before
Pearl
> Harbor!). Excellent flying sequences and some great shots of the
Spitfires. I
> believe this movie came out in early 2001.
>
> http://www.sonyclassics.com/darkblueworld/index-withflash.html

[C J Campbell]

"Ian" > wrote in message
...
| What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
| want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
| group.

The movie plot unfolding in the thread "Building My Own Zeppelin" over at
rec.aviation.homebuilt.

[Big John]

Dudley

Have you checked your e-mail?

Would like to go off line to cover some things that happened that you
might not know about and would be interested in hearing.

Had forgotten Dave's name. He came and talked for several years.
Bottom l;ine was to wear gloves and not take your mask or helmet off
until you were clear of any fire. Never had to do that but took his
words to heart.

Great personality and didn't let his gross looks bother him. I met but
did not know him well.

Have been thinking about the twins. Something happened to them I think
but can't remember.

I sent a 'test' to the e-mail address you show on top of your posts
but no reply. If that is not a good address let me know.

Big John


On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:47:40 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> wrote:

>
>"Big John" > wrote in message
...
>> Dudley
>>
>> Yep. Scott was CO for a year or so.Think he went to Washington when he
>> left?
>
>That's right. It was there he got in trouble with the brass and then ended
>up back at Luke.
>
> We had jets at Willie but he had a P-51 that was pre-flighted
>> and pulled out in front of Base Ops every day. Never saw it
>> fly!!!!!!!!!!! I tried to get to fly it an hour a week to keep gaskets
>> in Merlin from going bad but no luck.
>
>You would have liked it. I flew one for several years on the airshow
>circuit. Great bird! Fun, like the 86!
>>
>> You of course remember Leon (the Peon) Gray? Training Group Commander?
>> Lots of stories about him but not the place or time <G>
>
>Just by reputation! Remember, I'm a civilian who just happens to have flown
>a lot of military airplanes. I can't claim the official military time you
>guys can.....although I seem to remember having a form 5 floating around
>here somewhere with some "unofficial" time on it. I'm afraid all of my
>thousands of hours in airplanes, were spent as a lowly civilian!!!
>I understand the place and time though. Sort of like Creech in that respect
>:-))
>>
>> Don't remember the deaths you asked about.
>
>Bill Spruance and Dave McAllister were coming back to Delaware in a T-Bird
>in 61. They stopped at Scott to refuel. On takeoff, they flamed out. Dave
>was killed outright and Spruance was burned so badly they gave him the last
>rights at the crash site. He survived. He gave lectures for years on flight
>safety issues. Dave was the CO of the 142nd FS Delaware ANG and a great guy.
>His family was in the food catering business and manufactured the best damn
>snapper soup ever to see the light of day. Dave used to fill the gun bays of
>his F86H and fly the stuff all over the country to his buddies.
>
Sounds like me. I used to fill a cargo tank on a T-bird with live
lobsters and deliver them to friends when I had to make a trip west
from Maine <G>

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[Nick Coleman]

Ian wrote:

> What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them? I
> want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> group.
>
> Thanks

I liked "Bat 51" (or was it "The Bat"?) with Gene Hackman and Danny Glover,
although there are only a few aviation scenes. There are a couple of great
ground-strike scenes, but the one that really got me was a P-51 doing
really low-level work, like 20' AGL, then rolling on its side to pass
between two trees then levelling and climbing-out. Really awesome stuff by
the stunt-pilot.

--
Nick

[Bob Noel]

In article >, wrote:

> Ian wrote:
>
> > What are some "must have" movies that have an aviation theme in them?
> > I
> > want to get a collection together and I was wanting some input from the
> > group.
> >
> > Thanks
>
> I liked "Bat 51" (or was it "The Bat"?)

Bat 21

--
Bob Noel