MythBusters

[Hilton]

Hi,

You gotta watch MythBusters on the Discovery Channel. The shoot birds and
pumpkins at this Checkee's windows.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001205X00344&key=1

Moral of the story: Do not fly into chickens, whether or not they are
frozen.

Hilton

[James M. Knox]

"Hilton" > wrote in
ink.net:

> You gotta watch MythBusters on the Discovery Channel. The shoot birds
> and pumpkins at this Checkee's windows.
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001205X00344&key=1
> Moral of the story: Do not fly into chickens, whether or not they are
> frozen.

The little plexi windshield didn't surprise me... but when they fired it at
the firewall...

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James M. Knox
TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
Austin, Tx 78721
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[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"James M. Knox" > wrote:

> "Hilton" > wrote in
> ink.net:
>
> > You gotta watch MythBusters on the Discovery Channel. The shoot birds
> > and pumpkins at this Checkee's windows.
> > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001205X00344&key=1
> > Moral of the story: Do not fly into chickens, whether or not they are
> > frozen.
>
> The little plexi windshield didn't surprise me... but when they fired it at
> the firewall...
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> James M. Knox
> TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
> 1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
> Austin, Tx 78721
> -----------------------------------------------

I have seen a few plane that hit vultures in flight:
A Bonanza that took it in the cowling just below the windshield had a
major dent in the firewall. Fortunately, it did NOT take through the
winsshield!

A Seneca took one in the wingtip -- penetrated the skin and banged it up
prettty bad. This was an Embry-Riddle plane -- they left the dead bird
in the wingtip for several days.

A friend took a vulture about 5 feet o/b of the root on his SX-300 at
240 kt. Fortunately, the bird hit above the LE and made a big dent, with
no spar damage.

One time I was a pax in a Bonanza that hit a flock of pigeons on
takeoff. There was no damage to the Bonanza, but several pigeons died --
including one that entered the cowl. We landed immediately.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>
> I have seen a few plane that hit vultures in flight:

One of the pilots at Old Bridge was flying a C-130 in the Middle East and took an
African vulture in the wing. Took out the front spar. He shows the photos at every
opportunity.

George Patterson
Love, n.: A form of temporary insanity afflicting the young. It is curable
either by marriage or by removal of the afflicted from the circumstances
under which he incurred the condition. It is sometimes fatal, but more
often to the physician than to the patient.

[John Galban]

"Hilton" > wrote in message et>...
>
> Moral of the story: Do not fly into chickens, whether or not they are
> frozen.

I found that demonstration to be a little disturbing. Did they have
to use a Cherokee 180?

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Robert M. Gary]

It has to be entertaining I guess. They sure spend a lot of time
talking about what a piece of crap the plastic little Cherokee is.
They don't seem to have much respect for it.

They did a pretty poor job with the Arm Chair Larry one too. First,
they spent days trying to figure out who they should ask before they
took to the air. They called the police, the fire department, etc.
Never once did it occur to them that the FAA might be interested in
people flying over the city. I'm pretty sure that their homebuilt
probably should have needed an airworthyness cert and the "pilot" be
rated for that type of ballon. By contrast when "Monster Garage" built
a ballon they had an FAA guy there on the set inspecting the ballon
and the star of the show went up along with an FAA rated pilot.

It looked they they did a tethered launch to about 100 feet up. I'm
not sure that proved much. I would think that would fit the
"navigatable airspace" rule though. In anycase, these guys aren't the
sharpest knives in the drawer.

-Robert


"Hilton" > wrote in message et>...
> Hi,
>
> You gotta watch MythBusters on the Discovery Channel. The shoot birds and
> pumpkins at this Checkee's windows.
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001205X00344&key=1
>
> Moral of the story: Do not fly into chickens, whether or not they are
> frozen.
>
> Hilton

[Andrew Sarangan]

Hilton

I am not understanding the moral of the story or your reference to
birds. Here is where your link takes me:

The private pilot and his family were planning on departing the
airport, which had a density altitude of 6,400 feet msl. The airport
was reporting that the winds were from 240 degrees at 13 knots gusting
to 19 knots at the time of the departure on runway 28. Eyewitnesses to
the accident said the airplane appeared to be slow and not climbing in
a very nose high attitude after liftoff. Additionally, the
eyewitnesses all stated that it appeared that the airplane stalled
with the wings wavering side to side, before the left wing dropped
right before ground impact. It was later determined that the airplane
lifted off approximately 2/10 mile from the departure end of the
runway. According to the manufacturer, if the airplane took off with
zero flaps and full power at 85 knots, the airplane should have
climbed out at a 450-foot-per-minute rate of climb. The pilot
estimated his airspeed at 70 knots when he lifted the airplane off the
ground. The aircraft was recovered after the accident and an engine
examination and operational check was conducted. Magneto to engine
timing was checked and found to be within manufacturer's limits.
Additionally, the throttle and mixture controls were observed to
operate to their full travel limits, and continuity was established to
the cockpit. The engine was run-up to full throttle with no abnormal
condition noted.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable
cause(s) of this accident as follows:

The pilot's failure to obtain and maintain the proper climb airspeed
during the initial takeoff climb, including his failure to anticipate
the gust factor and density altitude effects in determining a safe
airspeed.




"Hilton" > wrote in message et>...
> Hi,
>
> You gotta watch MythBusters on the Discovery Channel. The shoot birds and
> pumpkins at this Checkee's windows.
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001205X00344&key=1
>
> Moral of the story: Do not fly into chickens, whether or not they are
> frozen.
>
> Hilton

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On 3 Feb 2004 17:23:58 -0800, (Andrew
Sarangan) wrote:

>I am not understanding the moral of the story or your reference to
>birds. ...

I believe he was giving us the URL for the NTSB final report on
the accident that made the airframe available for being shot
at by the chicken cannon.

Marty