Thermalling, Anyone!

[Dan Marotta]

Sure glad I've got a square, ram-air chute AND know how to collapse it!



You can see clearly the associated dust devil..


http://www.military.com/video/specialties-and-personnel/parachutists/russian-parachute-landing-goes-wrong/1858777535001/

[son_of_flubber]

Getting a good video for YouTube was more important that rescuing this poor unconscious fellow being dragged along the ground.

In Soviet Russia, canopy collapses you.

[Chris Nicholas[_2_]]

If you have not already seen it, you might learn something from this:

http://uras.gliderpilot.net/?op=s2&id=35764&vt=

(You may have to register and log in to read the explanatory text, but I think you can click directly onto the related video without that if you wish – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kx-buGUOhw&context=C3288924ADOEgsToPDskJ_sxLX42nGLQPQnZBqf_Ih

Chris N

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 3/2/2013 5:31 PM, Chris Nicholas wrote:
> If you have not already seen it, you might learn something from
> this:
>
> http://uras.gliderpilot.net/?op=s2&id=35764&vt=
>
> (You may have to register and log in to read the explanatory text,
> but I think you can click directly onto the related video without
> that if you wish –
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kx-buGUOhw&context=C3288924ADOEgsToPDskJ_sxLX42nGLQPQnZBqf_Ih

I've never heard of the "undo the chest strap first" rule. Must not be a
very important one, if it's that much work to get into trouble.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

[Chris Nicholas[_2_]]

It is not a written rule AFAIK. It has been circulating orally as
“advice� in UK gliding circles – I first heard it when somebody saw
me undoing the parachute straps in the “wrong� order.

Chris N

[waremark]

If you have just descended by parachute the canopy will already be open. It looks as though the important thing might be to know how to collapse the canopy.

[JP Stewart]

On Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:01:11 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 3/2/2013 5:31 PM, Chris Nicholas wrote:
>
> > If you have not already seen it, you might learn something from
>
> > this:
>
> >
>
> > http://uras.gliderpilot.net/?op=s2&id=35764&vt=
>
> >
>
> > (You may have to register and log in to read the explanatory text,
>
> > but I think you can click directly onto the related video without
>
> > that if you wish –
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kx-buGUOhw&context=C3288924ADOEgsToPDskJ_sxLX42nGLQPQnZBqf_Ih
>
>
>
> I've never heard of the "undo the chest strap first" rule. Must not be a
>
> very important one, if it's that much work to get into trouble.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
>
> email me)

The explanation given here: http://www.iac52.org/safetywise/safetywise.html is that if you have landed or are being dragged you undo the chest strap first, if you don't and the chute inflates it could choke you as it drags you.

JP

[Dan Marotta]

I had plenty of simulation training during my Air Force pilot training.
Forty years later, I bought a ram air emergency chute and got training at
the local jump club. What a rush! I'm now quite comfortable with the
prospect of jumping, though I don't want to leave my glider.

BTW, the ram air chute opens much quicker than a round chute, has a forward
speed of about 11-15 kts and is highly maneuverable. Mr. Silver's advice
was to take a tandem jump, but that was not for me. I took the IAD
(Instructor Aided Deployment) approach whereby the instructor holds my pilot
chute in his hand as I crawl out onto the platform. When I arch and go, he
tosses my pilot chute. I then have the whole sky to myself to get familiar
with flying the canopy.

The flying part (with a square chute) is easy as pie for a glider pilot(!)
and you fly the same kind of traffic pattern with essentially the same
altitudes as in a glider. You're just a bit closer to the touchdown zone.
It was so much fun that I did it six more times, but the cost was a bit high
to continue without buying my own equipment...


"Jp Stewart" > wrote in message
...
On Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:01:11 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 3/2/2013 5:31 PM, Chris Nicholas wrote:
>
> > If you have not already seen it, you might learn something from
>
> > this:
>
> >
>
> > http://uras.gliderpilot.net/?op=s2&id=35764&vt=
>
> >
>
> > (You may have to register and log in to read the explanatory text,
>
> > but I think you can click directly onto the related video without
>
> > that if you wish –
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kx-buGUOhw&context=C3288924ADOEgsToPDskJ_sxLX42nGLQPQnZBqf_Ih
>
>
>
> I've never heard of the "undo the chest strap first" rule. Must not be a
>
> very important one, if it's that much work to get into trouble.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
>
> email me)

The explanation given here: http://www.iac52.org/safetywise/safetywise.html
is that if you have landed or are being dragged you undo the chest strap
first, if you don't and the chute inflates it could choke you as it drags
you.

JP

[son_of_flubber]

On Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:06:06 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I had plenty of simulation training during my Air Force pilot training.
>
> Forty years later, I bought a ram air emergency chute and got training at
>
> the local jump club.

This is very enticing but I've held off because I was concerned that I might injure my legs/back. I'm not overweight, but my bones are older and a cast would kill a season of soaring. I'd do this at the end of the season if ever, but then I'd worry about missing ski season and putting on 30 pounds over a winter of inactivity.

[Sean F (F2)]

Yikes. That guy looks completely limp by the end of the video. Sad.

[Ralph Jones[_3_]]

On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 21:01:11 -0800, Eric Greenwell
> wrote:

>On 3/2/2013 5:31 PM, Chris Nicholas wrote:
>> If you have not already seen it, you might learn something from
>> this:
>>
>> http://uras.gliderpilot.net/?op=s2&id=35764&vt=
>>
>> (You may have to register and log in to read the explanatory text,
>> but I think you can click directly onto the related video without
>> that if you wish –
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kx-buGUOhw&context=C3288924ADOEgsToPDskJ_sxLX42nGLQPQnZBqf_Ih
>
>I've never heard of the "undo the chest strap first" rule. Must not be a
>very important one, if it's that much work to get into trouble.

Seeing this happen to a paratrooper puzzles me. At least in the
American military, parachutes have quick-release latches (called
Capewells) that connect the two main suspension straps to the harness.
Just grab either one, squeeze, pull, and one whole side of the canopy
goes free.

I was trained to use those as an Air Force cadet. We would put on a
harness and attach both ends of a rope to it with the Capewells. A
towline would snap onto the rope, and we'd jump off a moving boat and
get dragged at a pretty good clip; releasing one Capewell ended it.

[Dan Marotta]

I did it last August - prime soaring in New Mexico. For the first jump, I
wore boots. After that I wore sneakers. The landings were much softer than
I'd experienced under a round canopy in the Air Force. It's the ability to
flare almost to a stand still that makes it so nice.


"son_of_flubber" > wrote in message
...
On Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:06:06 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I had plenty of simulation training during my Air Force pilot training.
>
> Forty years later, I bought a ram air emergency chute and got training at
>
> the local jump club.

This is very enticing but I've held off because I was concerned that I might
injure my legs/back. I'm not overweight, but my bones are older and a cast
would kill a season of soaring. I'd do this at the end of the season if
ever, but then I'd worry about missing ski season and putting on 30 pounds
over a winter of inactivity.

[son_of_flubber]

On Sunday, March 3, 2013 6:40:40 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I did it last August - prime soaring in New Mexico. For the first jump, I
> wore boots. After that I wore sneakers. The landings were much softer than
> I'd experienced under a round canopy in the Air Force. It's the ability to
> flare almost to a stand still that makes it so nice.

Do you fly the same sort of parachute as this guy? Click on 'more' to expand the description of the video.

PTSD ALERT: The linked video is from a helmet cam of someone who flairs improperly, hits the ground hard, and becomes a paraplegic. You might not want to watch this. There is no gore, but the visuals might disturb you if you jump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF578oSkrKk

[son_of_flubber]

On Sunday, March 3, 2013 7:21:08 PM UTC-5, son_of_flubber wrote:

> PTSD ALERT: The linked video is from a helmet cam of someone who flairs improperly, hits the ground hard, and becomes a paraplegic.

Here's an Q&A done by the same guy on Reddit. He had 200 jumps prior to the accident.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/186g28/iama_a_skydiver_that_broke_his_back_on_a_jump_ask/

[Dan Marotta]

No, I used (and purchased) a much larger canopy - 280 sq ft vs. the "bed
sheet" used by the jumper in the video. It yields a much slower descent and
swooping isn't much of an option. I like thrills, but not hitting the
ground!

On a side note, after telling my instructor that I was finished after 7
jumps, my wife and I went out to the student landing area to watch. There
was a young woman making her first jump so we decided to stay for that. At
5,000' AGL, her chute was barely visible, but we were able to watch her
respond to radio commands; "Turn right", "Turn left", "FLARE". She executed
all commands as expected, flew a perfect pattern to final approach, and then
froze...

We could see the panic in her eyes as she stopped following the instructor's
commands. She smacked into the ground about 20 feet from us with a horrible
"thud" and lay still for quite some time. Finally, with the instructor
tending to her, she slowly got up. I doubt she made a second jump.


"son_of_flubber" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, March 3, 2013 7:21:08 PM UTC-5, son_of_flubber wrote:
>
>> PTSD ALERT: The linked video is from a helmet cam of someone who flairs
>> improperly, hits the ground hard, and becomes a paraplegic.
>
> Here's an Q&A done by the same guy on Reddit. He had 200 jumps prior to
> the accident.
>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/186g28/iama_a_skydiver_that_broke_his_back_on_a_jump_ask/

[Maciek K.]

>You can see clearly the associated dust devil..

reminds me of this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb5CtDLdn4M

Poland, 1996 (long before YouTube and helmet HD cameras;-). The pilot
survived.

Cheers
Maciek