Free sailplane want ads page on Facebook

[Sean F (F2)]

https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneWantAds

Announcing an all new and TRULY FREE Facebook soaring want ads site! Add your for sale equipment to the Facebook community today watch it go viral within the Facebook soaring community in hours! A large segment of the soaring community is on Facebook today and that number is growing daily. It makes perfect sense that a dedicated Facebook page for want ads is created to support the soaring community.

This site is absolutely free and 100% unassociated with any commercial interests. There are no restrictions to having your ad on any other website, any other poster board inside a soaring club perhaps, any other newspaper or magazine...etc.

You ad will never expire and is always searchable, sharable and accessible by the roughly 1 Billion Facebook users. You can repost your ad as much as you would like.

Log in, like the Sailplane Want Ads page and receive updates automatically as new ads are posted.

Enjoy!

[Sean F (F2)]

On Sunday, March 31, 2013 9:30:04 AM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneWantAds
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> Announcing an all new and TRULY FREE Facebook soaring want ads site! Add your for sale equipment to the Facebook community today watch it go viral within the Facebook soaring community in hours! A large segment of the soaring community is on Facebook today and that number is growing daily. It makes perfect sense that a dedicated Facebook page for want ads is created to support the soaring community.
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> This site is absolutely free and 100% unassociated with any commercial interests. There are no restrictions to having your ad on any other website, any other poster board inside a soaring club perhaps, any other newspaper or magazine...etc.
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> You ad will never expire and is always searchable, sharable and accessible by the roughly 1 Billion Facebook users. You can repost your ad as much as you would like.
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> Log in, like the Sailplane Want Ads page and receive updates automatically as new ads are posted.
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> Enjoy!

Nearly 50 people have liked the new page in about 4 hours. From Europe, Australia, US, Canada, etc. This kind of social networking power is impossible to contain. Power to the people! ;-)

[Sean F (F2)]

68 likes so far. 3 ads and one item (a new Oudie) has already sold!

I guess wings and wheels is not the "only" way to sell a sailplane related product on the Internet.

[Sean F (F2)]

100 likes and nearly 1200 views in just a couple days....

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 7:06:15 AM UTC-6, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> 100 likes and nearly 1200 views in just a couple days....

Let's see... WW: 94 aircraft listed, professionally displayed and maintained.
Facebook .. lots of "likes", comments and photos of food...

[Sean F (F2)]

Brilliant response. Thanks for your "contribution..."

Denial.

Resistance to change.

Disparagement.

Got it. Impressed. Never seen that before...

Sean
F2

PS...up to 130 likes...in 2 days.

When you said wings and wheels is "professionally displayed" I literally spit out my water. Too funny. That site is fine but is basically managed in MS word and has literally no organization or extensions outside of itself. I think it's fine but when the proprietor of that site starts calling up people and telling them to remove ads elsewhere Imagine the 90 ads is going to decline fairly rapidly.

[Ramy]

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 10:41:03 AM UTC-7, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> Brilliant response. Thanks for your "contribution..."
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> Denial.
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> Resistance to change.
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> Disparagement.
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> Got it. Impressed. Never seen that before...
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> Sean
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> F2
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> PS...up to 130 likes...in 2 days.
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> When you said wings and wheels is "professionally displayed" I literally spit out my water. Too funny. That site is fine but is basically managed in MS word and has literally no organization or extensions outside of itself. I think it's fine but when the proprietor of that site starts calling up people and telling them to remove ads elsewhere Imagine the 90 ads is going to decline fairly rapidly.

While I agree that W&W is far from professionally displayed, and has a lot to desire in UI, and as much as I like Facebook, I don't find facebook any easier to browse, find and categorize ads. Also, isn't using facebook limits the audience to only facebook members?
Having said that, I may give it a try and list my items for sale there as well.

Ramy

[Sean F (F2)]

Yes, Facebook it is limited to Facebook members. But today, not having a Facebook account is similar to not having an email 10 years ago. Remember what you thought of those people. Same thing here basically. Sorry if this means anyone reading this but its pretty true. Those who avoid Facebook are only really limiting themselves, and they are always out there. Like the email non adopters, they will be left pretty far behind pretty quickly. And there is alot more than Facebook in Social Networking. Google +, Twitter, Linkedin, Pinterest, etc. But for now, Facebook is the new "email" for a large majority of the population. It is the standard and it is very, very powerful in both personal and especially the business world, believe it or not. Anyone care to guess how much Procter and Gamble spend on Social Media last year? How about just on Facebook? Look it up.

Oddly almost 50 europeans have joined the page in 2 days (up to 130). They are the most active in sharing the page with friends, etc. Interesting factoid.

The interface for Facebook "pages" is actually pretty decent. But the power is in the networking aspects. You can make a very nice ad on this Facebook page by simply adding a photo and typing your ad into the description section. They share away, answer comments (automatically notifies you) and sell your swag. Others in the network may know of someone looking for your type of glider, etc. They can share it on their page or the page of others in the network that might be looking for that glider.

Best,

Sean

[[email protected]]

While I’m delighted that I can make someone spit out their water after 25 seconds on the computer, I like the way the WW site is presented: title, photo, description and contact info (I’m sure many people do not want their phone number on Facebook).. That's all I look for when I am searching for something. If it's on there, It’s available.. If I want more info, I contact the seller. Very simple and no "log in" required..
I really don't appreciate the insult. I have a Facebook page for me and another for my business and know what I am doing.. You don't need to be so self-righteous.

[Sean F (F2)]

Facebook information is actually far more secure than WW could ever dream of being. Your contact info is regularly scraped of wings and whee. See his warnings about scams for this reason.

No insult intended. I was ribbing you.

Don't be so sensitive everyone. Have fun!

[Surge]

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:04:51 PM UTC+2, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> Yes, Facebook it is limited to Facebook members. But today, not having a Facebook account is similar to not having an email 10 years ago. Remember what you thought of those people. Same thing here basically.


Facebook is for people who have lots of time to waste posting, chatting and playing FarmVille.

Ex-Facebook user (who decided that real life outside of social networks is more interesting and productive).

[Sean F (F2)]

http://youtu.be/37OWL7AzvHo

[BobW]

On 4/2/2013 1:04 PM, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> Yes, Facebook it is limited to Facebook members. But today, not having a
> Facebook account is similar to not having an email 10 years ago. Remember
> what you thought of those people.

MercyGoodness! I knew people 10 years ago who lacked e-mail accounts...in fact
I know some today. Those I happen to know have made a choice, share it when
asked (or, sometimes volunteer it)

[Bob Whelan[_3_]]

On 4/2/2013 1:04 PM, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> Yes, Facebook it is limited to Facebook members. But today, not having a
> Facebook account is similar to not having an email 10 years ago. Remember
> what you thought of those people.

Let's try this post again...

Mercy! I knew people 10 years ago who lacked e-mail accounts...still know some
today in the same condition. They've made a choice - just as I have to not
(never?) have a cell phone. Sometimes they've volunteered the reason(s) for
their choice, sometimes I've asked. The reasons have ranged from dinosauric
geezerism to they simply saw no need. In no case have I ever thought the less
of them for their choice.

Options are good, in both life and soaring XC...IMO.

For the record, I've yet to detect a compelling-to-me reason to become a
Facebook user.

Bob - who believes technology is a choice to be used wisely - W.

[Tony[_5_]]

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 11:13:15 AM UTC-5, Bob Whelan wrote:
> On 4/2/2013 1:04 PM, Sean F (F2) wrote: > Yes, Facebook it is limited to Facebook members. But today, not having a > Facebook account is similar to not having an email 10 years ago. Remember > what you thought of those people. Let's try this post again... Mercy! I knew people 10 years ago who lacked e-mail accounts...still know some today in the same condition. They've made a choice - just as I have to not (never?) have a cell phone. Sometimes they've volunteered the reason(s) for their choice, sometimes I've asked. The reasons have ranged from dinosauric geezerism to they simply saw no need.. In no case have I ever thought the less of them for their choice. Options are good, in both life and soaring XC...IMO. For the record, I've yet to detect a compelling-to-me reason to become a Facebook user. Bob - who believes technology is a choice to be used wisely - W.

Bob I still love your reason for not having an answering machine :)

[[email protected]]

Gotta love ya, Sean. To summarize your latest comments:

1. "W&W may work fine but the technology is obsolete." See my comment on the "Consumer Warning" thread about technology being a means to an end, not a goal.

2. "If you don't use Facebook, you're out of it." I've been on MySpace and then Facebook for years. I had a CompuServe email account when every ID was a series of numbers. I even remember CompuServe when I had a time-sharing terminal in my office. Look it up on Wikipedia if that doesn't mean anything; anyone who doesn't use Wikipedia must be stupid or in denial. :) I don't use FB for business and I agree that while the UI is sometimes useful (not NEARLY all of the time, though), the presentation doesn't work very well for a catalog application. I trust FB with my personally identifiable information about as much as I trust the Congress to spend my tax dollars wisely.

3. The classic bully's response: "I wasn't really insulting you; I just said all those mean things to kid you. It's your problem if you took it seriously. Don't be so sensitive."

I bet I could push an RAS thread up to 3000 to 4000 views in two days simply by posting the subject line "Sean (F2) Gets What He Deserves!!"...with a blank body text. :)

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 1:41:03 PM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> Brilliant response. Thanks for your "contribution..." Denial. Resistance to change. Disparagement. Got it. Impressed. Never seen that before... Sean F2 PS...up to 130 likes...in 2 days. When you said wings and wheels is "professionally displayed" I literally spit out my water. Too funny. That site is fine but is basically managed in MS word and has literally no organization or extensions outside of itself. I think it's fine but when the proprietor of that site starts calling up people and telling them to remove ads elsewhere Imagine the 90 ads is going to decline fairly rapidly.

Glider listed on W&W 4/1 morning. Sold 4/3 afternoon.
No denial- just fact.
No spitting required.
Any questions?

UH

[Kevin Christner]

"Like"

2C

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:14:54 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Gotta love ya, Sean. To summarize your latest comments:
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> 1. "W&W may work fine but the technology is obsolete." See my comment on the "Consumer Warning" thread about technology being a means to an end, not a goal.
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> 2. "If you don't use Facebook, you're out of it." I've been on MySpace and then Facebook for years. I had a CompuServe email account when every ID was a series of numbers. I even remember CompuServe when I had a time-sharing terminal in my office. Look it up on Wikipedia if that doesn't mean anything; anyone who doesn't use Wikipedia must be stupid or in denial. :) I don't use FB for business and I agree that while the UI is sometimes useful (not NEARLY all of the time, though), the presentation doesn't work very well for a catalog application. I trust FB with my personally identifiable information about as much as I trust the Congress to spend my tax dollars wisely.
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> 3. The classic bully's response: "I wasn't really insulting you; I just said all those mean things to kid you. It's your problem if you took it seriously. Don't be so sensitive."
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> I bet I could push an RAS thread up to 3000 to 4000 views in two days simply by posting the subject line "Sean (F2) Gets What He Deserves!!"...with a blank body text. :)

[Kevin Christner]

"Like"

2C

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> Glider listed on W&W 4/1 morning. Sold 4/3 afternoon.
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> No denial- just fact.
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> No spitting required.
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> Any questions?
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> UH

[Ramy]

So Bob, I must ask, do you fly XC without cell phone? If so, whatever will be your good reasons to never carry a cell phone, I wouldn't blame anyone who will leave you to hitchhike back from a landout in the middle of nowhere...

Some technologies, like cell phone and spot are a must in anyone's landout kit. Flying cross country without them is foolish.

Ramy

[BobW]

On 4/3/2013 10:12 PM, Ramy wrote:
> So Bob, I must ask, do you fly XC without cell phone?

I did until the end of 2009, when I (temporarily?) "retired" from active
PIC-ing. Should I unretire, I don't plan to change this particular approach.

> If so, whatever will
> be your good reasons to never carry a cell phone, I wouldn't blame anyone
> who will leave you to hitchhike back from a landout in the middle of
> nowhere...

Nor would I blame anyone for declining to retrieve me...whether or not I had a
cell phone. :-) Seriously, I *have* hitchhiked back (though long ago). I've
also dodged being out overnight by about 45 seconds and a bit of luck (last
vehicle - between then and buttoning up the glider/trailer - to go by the
stretch of road on which I was walking to an [abandoned, in the event]
farmhouse two miles away). I once found a (working!) phone on a rotating hatch
in a quonset hut hangar at an (essentially) abandoned-for-the-weekend airport
several miles from town on an evening with winds strong enough to cause a
blowing-dust-induced fatal "fog-collision chain-reaction" accident on an
interstate not terribly distant from my landing site...and nearly got
hypothermia on a 90+-degree evening from wind chill that same evening. I've
had a "Twilight Zone" experience while begging use of a phone at the nearest -
& only - house between me and my launch airport a mere 10 or so road miles
distant.

I considered these - and all my other - mini-adventures part of the "charm of
the soaring/landout experience." In fact, some of my most rapid ascents of the
XC learning curve came while in remote fields, waiting for (with one
exception) my pickup crew; only once did I ever set out with a
pre-arranged/formal crew. Of course, I've also retrieved many more folks than
I've had to impose upon others, which may or may not have helped me recruit
those ad-hoc crews. Retrievals, too, were always (generally, wry chuckle)
great and grand fun.

>
> Some technologies, like cell phone and spot are a must in anyone's landout
> kit. Flying cross country without them is foolish.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. I've retrieved with the aid of Spot
& GPS-es...and in those cases never set out without having a pretty decent
written description of how to get to "wherever"...just like in the days before
those technologies existed. Simple prudence, from my perspective.

I've also been at the field when a pilot failed to return (more than one,
sadly) in pre-Spot days. In only one case would Spot have saved much
time...and in that one the PIC (fortunately?) happened to have been killed on
impact; we found him around 10AM the next day.

As for cell phones, while my soaring experience doesn't include your
particular neck of the woods (eastern Sierras, Great Basin, etc.) it *does*
include much of the eastern Rockies and neighboring Great Plains...which are
well known for - um, "spotty" cell phone coverage. IOW, the reality for my
neck of the woods is cell phones are far from a panacea. Personally, I prefer
the aggravation of the known devil (i.e. fending for myself with ground-based
technologies - feet, landlines, etc.) to the dodgy, irritating (when they work
poorly or not at all) unknown ones of dropped/scratchy/one-sided/etc. cell
phone calls, which mostly serve to raise both parties' blood pressures due to
the aggravation of failed promise.

From my perspective, those devices and technologies do indeed have
"convenience potential" and arguably "life-saving potential" but they are no
substitute for pilot prudence, common sense, "adequate preparation
beforehand," etc. In life-threatening terms, I never worried about my friends
when they were out XC soaring, any more than I worried about myself when I was
out XC soaring. Have I encountered soaring pilots I DO actively worry about
(independent of the technology they bring to the table)? Darn tootin'! But in
every case their technology had/has essentially nothing to do with my worry
(I'll resist the obvious snarky comment about any tendency they might have had
to inappropriately use such technology...as in, making a phone call *before*
they've actually landed out).

Obviously, YMMV!

Bob - lemme write your retrieval directions down - W.

[Tony[_5_]]

On Thursday, April 4, 2013 9:54:04 AM UTC-5, BobW wrote:
> On 4/3/2013 10:12 PM, Ramy wrote: > So Bob, I must ask, do you fly XC without cell phone? I did until the end of 2009, when I (temporarily?) "retired" from active PIC-ing. Should I unretire, I don't plan to change this particular approach. > If so, whatever will > be your good reasons to never carry a cell phone, I wouldn't blame anyone > who will leave you to hitchhike back from a landout in the middle of > nowhere... Nor would I blame anyone for declining to retrieve me...whether or not I had a cell phone. :-) Seriously, I *have* hitchhiked back (though long ago). I've also dodged being out overnight by about 45 seconds and a bit of luck (last vehicle - between then and buttoning up the glider/trailer - to go by the stretch of road on which I was walking to an [abandoned, in the event] farmhouse two miles away). I once found a (working!) phone on a rotating hatch in a quonset hut hangar at an (essentially) abandoned-for-the-weekend airport several miles from town on an evening with winds strong enough to cause a blowing-dust-induced fatal "fog-collision chain-reaction" accident on an interstate not terribly distant from my landing site...and nearly got hypothermia on a 90+-degree evening from wind chill that same evening. I've had a "Twilight Zone" experience while begging use of a phone at the nearest - & only - house between me and my launch airport a mere 10 or so road miles distant. I considered these - and all my other - mini-adventures part of the "charm of the soaring/landout experience." In fact, some of my most rapid ascents of the XC learning curve came while in remote fields, waiting for (with one exception) my pickup crew; only once did I ever set out with a pre-arranged/formal crew. Of course, I've also retrieved many more folks than I've had to impose upon others, which may or may not have helped me recruit those ad-hoc crews.. Retrievals, too, were always (generally, wry chuckle) great and grand fun.. > > Some technologies, like cell phone and spot are a must in anyone's landout > kit. Flying cross country without them is foolish. We're going to have to agree to disagree. I've retrieved with the aid of Spot & GPS-es...and in those cases never set out without having a pretty decent written description of how to get to "wherever"...just like in the days before those technologies existed. Simple prudence, from my perspective. I've also been at the field when a pilot failed to return (more than one, sadly) in pre-Spot days. In only one case would Spot have saved much time...and in that one the PIC (fortunately?) happened to have been killed on impact; we found him around 10AM the next day. As for cell phones, while my soaring experience doesn't include your particular neck of the woods (eastern Sierras, Great Basin, etc.) it *does* include much of the eastern Rockies and neighboring Great Plains...which are well known for - um, "spotty" cell phone coverage. IOW, the reality for my neck of the woods is cell phones are far from a panacea. Personally, I prefer the aggravation of the known devil (i.e. fending for myself with ground-based technologies - feet, landlines, etc.) to the dodgy, irritating (when they work poorly or not at all) unknown ones of dropped/scratchy/one-sided/etc. cell phone calls, which mostly serve to raise both parties' blood pressures due to the aggravation of failed promise. From my perspective, those devices and technologies do indeed have "convenience potential" and arguably "life-saving potential" but they are no substitute for pilot prudence, common sense, "adequate preparation beforehand," etc. In life-threatening terms, I never worried about my friends when they were out XC soaring, any more than I worried about myself when I was out XC soaring. Have I encountered soaring pilots I DO actively worry about (independent of the technology they bring to the table)? Darn tootin'! But in every case their technology had/has essentially nothing to do with my worry (I'll resist the obvious snarky comment about any tendency they might have had to inappropriately use such technology...as in, making a phone call *before* they've actually landed out). Obviously, YMMV! Bob - lemme write your retrieval directions down - W.

Personal experience getting retrieved by Bob.

I flew 237 miles downwind and within 30 minutes Bob arrived at the airport. There was no intelligible 2 way communication between the two of us for at least the last 1:00 or 1:30 of the flight. Occasionally he would hear a garble from me (when I was at the top of a thermal) and occasionally I would hear a garble from him (when he was cresting a hill and I happened to be high). I didn't call him after landing since he doesn't have a cell phone. I did call our pre-arranged call-back number but of course he didn't call them because he hadn't stopped yet.

Read more about it in the Feb. 2012 Soaring

Tony - Bob can crew for me anytime - C.

[Dan Marotta]

I flew XC for years before getting a cell phone. When I landed out, I just
knocked on the farmer's door and asked to use the phone. Never had a
problem and the farmer and family usually enjoyed looking at the glider.

I now have a cell phone but it stays turned off unless I want to make a
call. Oh, and it's only a phone - it doesn't do all those other distracting
things that today's youngsters seem to need to stay alive.

There's an entire episode of the TV show, Southpark, which is devoted to
Facebook. I thought it gave an apt description of Facebook addicts.


"Ramy" > wrote in message
...
> So Bob, I must ask, do you fly XC without cell phone? If so, whatever will
> be your good reasons to never carry a cell phone, I wouldn't blame anyone
> who will leave you to hitchhike back from a landout in the middle of
> nowhere...
>
> Some technologies, like cell phone and spot are a must in anyone's landout
> kit. Flying cross country without them is foolish.
>
> Ramy

[Tony[_5_]]

On Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:15:33 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I flew XC for years before getting a cell phone. When I landed out, I just knocked on the farmer's door and asked to use the phone. Never had a problem and the farmer and family usually enjoyed looking at the glider. I now have a cell phone but it stays turned off unless I want to make a call. Oh, and it's only a phone - it doesn't do all those other distracting things that today's youngsters seem to need to stay alive. There's an entire episode of the TV show, Southpark, which is devoted to Facebook. I thought it gave an apt description of Facebook addicts. "Ramy" > wrote in message ... > So Bob, I must ask, do you fly XC without cell phone? If so, whatever will > be your good reasons to never carry a cell phone, I wouldn't blame anyone > who will leave you to hitchhike back from a landout in the middle of > nowhere... > > Some technologies, like cell phone and spot are a must in anyone's landout > kit. Flying cross country without them is foolish. > > Ramy

My new smartphone does provide some good post landout entertainment. For example last weekend my crew saw the picture of the glider in the field on Facebook before they left the field to come get me, and by the time they got there I had had about a 20 comment exchange with various glider pilots around the country debating the merits of why i landed out and how good or bad the field I chose was.

[Dan Marotta]

Different strokes, I suppose.

I always enjoyed sitting on the farmer's porch enjoying local conversation
and some of his beer. Later, when my impromptu crew would arrive, I'd share
my homebrew with the farmer.

I haven't landed out in a long time. Maybe I should plan to...


"Tony" > wrote in message
...
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:15:33 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I flew XC for years before getting a cell phone. When I landed out, I just
> knocked on the farmer's door and asked to use the phone. Never had a
> problem and the farmer and family usually enjoyed looking at the glider. I
> now have a cell phone but it stays turned off unless I want to make a
> call. Oh, and it's only a phone - it doesn't do all those other
> distracting things that today's youngsters seem to need to stay alive.
> There's an entire episode of the TV show, Southpark, which is devoted to
> Facebook. I thought it gave an apt description of Facebook addicts. "Ramy"
> > wrote in message
> ... > So Bob, I
> must ask, do you fly XC without cell phone? If so, whatever will > be your
> good reasons to never carry a cell phone, I wouldn't blame anyone > who
> will leave you to hitchhike back from a landout in the middle of >
> nowhere... > > Some technologies, like cell phone and spot are a must in
> anyone's landout > kit. Flying cross country without them is foolish. > >
> Ramy

My new smartphone does provide some good post landout entertainment. For
example last weekend my crew saw the picture of the glider in the field on
Facebook before they left the field to come get me, and by the time they got
there I had had about a 20 comment exchange with various glider pilots
around the country debating the merits of why i landed out and how good or
bad the field I chose was.

[Tony[_5_]]

On Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:31:33 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Different strokes, I suppose. I always enjoyed sitting on the farmer's porch enjoying local conversation and some of his beer. Later, when my impromptu crew would arrive, I'd share my homebrew with the farmer. I haven't landed out in a long time. Maybe I should plan to... "Tony" > wrote in message ... On Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:15:33 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote: > I flew XC for years before getting a cell phone. When I landed out, I just > knocked on the farmer's door and asked to use the phone. Never had a > problem and the farmer and family usually enjoyed looking at the glider. I > now have a cell phone but it stays turned off unless I want to make a > call.. Oh, and it's only a phone - it doesn't do all those other > distracting things that today's youngsters seem to need to stay alive. > There's an entire episode of the TV show, Southpark, which is devoted to > Facebook. I thought it gave an apt description of Facebook addicts. "Ramy" > > wrote in message > ... > So Bob, I > must ask, do you fly XC without cell phone? If so, whatever will > be your > good reasons to never carry a cell phone, I wouldn't blame anyone > who > will leave you to hitchhike back from a landout in the middle of > > nowhere... > > Some technologies, like cell phone and spot are a must in > anyone's landout > kit. Flying cross country without them is foolish. > > > Ramy My new smartphone does provide some good post landout entertainment. For example last weekend my crew saw the picture of the glider in the field on Facebook before they left the field to come get me, and by the time they got there I had had about a 20 comment exchange with various glider pilots around the country debating the merits of why i landed out and how good or bad the field I chose was.

Oh I definitely enjoy meeting the farmers, if they are within walking distance of wherever I land. That doesn't always happen. Fewer and fewer people are farming more and more acres these days. Population Density in Western Kansas is probably less than 1 person per square miles.

[Sean F (F2)]

150 likes 3900 views.

[Ramy]

On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:31:33 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Different strokes, I suppose.
>
>
>
> I always enjoyed sitting on the farmer's porch enjoying local conversation
>
> and some of his beer. Later, when my impromptu crew would arrive, I'd share
>
> my homebrew with the farmer.
>
>
>
> I haven't landed out in a long time. Maybe I should plan to...
>
>
>
>
>
> "Tony" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> On Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:15:33 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
>
> > I flew XC for years before getting a cell phone. When I landed out, I just
>
> > knocked on the farmer's door and asked to use the phone. Never had a
>
> > problem and the farmer and family usually enjoyed looking at the glider.. I
>
> > now have a cell phone but it stays turned off unless I want to make a
>
> > call. Oh, and it's only a phone - it doesn't do all those other
>
> > distracting things that today's youngsters seem to need to stay alive.
>
> > There's an entire episode of the TV show, Southpark, which is devoted to
>
> > Facebook. I thought it gave an apt description of Facebook addicts. "Ramy"
>
> > > wrote in message
>
> > ... > So Bob, I
>
> > must ask, do you fly XC without cell phone? If so, whatever will > be your
>
> > good reasons to never carry a cell phone, I wouldn't blame anyone > who
>
> > will leave you to hitchhike back from a landout in the middle of >
>
> > nowhere... > > Some technologies, like cell phone and spot are a must in
>
> > anyone's landout > kit. Flying cross country without them is foolish. > >
>
> > Ramy
>
>
>
> My new smartphone does provide some good post landout entertainment. For
>
> example last weekend my crew saw the picture of the glider in the field on
>
> Facebook before they left the field to come get me, and by the time they got
>
> there I had had about a 20 comment exchange with various glider pilots
>
> around the country debating the merits of why i landed out and how good or
>
> bad the field I chose was.

All good points, and I had my share of the same experiences and adventures as you folks described, but the main point is that having technology like cell phone and spot provides you *additional* options that you don't otherwise have, and chances are that in some situations you or your crew would wish you had...
I also been at the airport when someone did not return, but unfortunately he did not carry spot, and although he also apparently died on impact, it took 3 days to find him, during which a TFR was set over the area and we spent 3 days looking for him.
My cell phone worked well in almost every landout I had, even in remote areas, and significantly simplified my retrievals.

Ramy

[Dan Marotta]

New Mexico is pretty sparsely populated and I DO carry my phone. Coverage
is pretty spotty, however, unless you're near a major highway...

"Ramy" > wrote in message
...
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:31:33 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Different strokes, I suppose.
>
>
>
> I always enjoyed sitting on the farmer's porch enjoying local conversation
>
> and some of his beer. Later, when my impromptu crew would arrive, I'd
> share
>
> my homebrew with the farmer.
>
>
>
> I haven't landed out in a long time. Maybe I should plan to...
>
>
>
>
>
> "Tony" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> On Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:15:33 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
>
> > I flew XC for years before getting a cell phone. When I landed out, I
> > just
>
> > knocked on the farmer's door and asked to use the phone. Never had a
>
> > problem and the farmer and family usually enjoyed looking at the glider.
> > I
>
> > now have a cell phone but it stays turned off unless I want to make a
>
> > call. Oh, and it's only a phone - it doesn't do all those other
>
> > distracting things that today's youngsters seem to need to stay alive.
>
> > There's an entire episode of the TV show, Southpark, which is devoted to
>
> > Facebook. I thought it gave an apt description of Facebook addicts.
> > "Ramy"
>
> > > wrote in message
>
> > ... > So Bob,
> > I
>
> > must ask, do you fly XC without cell phone? If so, whatever will > be
> > your
>
> > good reasons to never carry a cell phone, I wouldn't blame anyone > who
>
> > will leave you to hitchhike back from a landout in the middle of >
>
> > nowhere... > > Some technologies, like cell phone and spot are a must in
>
> > anyone's landout > kit. Flying cross country without them is foolish. >
> > >
>
> > Ramy
>
>
>
> My new smartphone does provide some good post landout entertainment. For
>
> example last weekend my crew saw the picture of the glider in the field on
>
> Facebook before they left the field to come get me, and by the time they
> got
>
> there I had had about a 20 comment exchange with various glider pilots
>
> around the country debating the merits of why i landed out and how good or
>
> bad the field I chose was.

All good points, and I had my share of the same experiences and adventures
as you folks described, but the main point is that having technology like
cell phone and spot provides you *additional* options that you don't
otherwise have, and chances are that in some situations you or your crew
would wish you had...
I also been at the airport when someone did not return, but unfortunately he
did not carry spot, and although he also apparently died on impact, it took
3 days to find him, during which a TFR was set over the area and we spent 3
days looking for him.
My cell phone worked well in almost every landout I had, even in remote
areas, and significantly simplified my retrievals.

Ramy

[GC[_2_]]

On 5/04/2013 02:35, Tony wrote:

> Oh I definitely enjoy meeting the farmers, if they are within
> walking distance of wherever I land. That doesn't always happen.
> Fewer and fewer people are farming more and more acres these days.
> Population Density in Western Kansas is probably less than 1 person
> per square miles.

Same in Australia. SOP is to check the farmhouse you're planning to
land near for:
1. Power lines to the house (two reasons for this)
2. Laundry hanging out.
3. Fresh tyre tracks into the garage/shed/barn.
4. The garden/grass looks watered.

Only about 1 in 3 is inhabited these days.

GC

[Bob Whelan[_3_]]

On 4/4/2013 7:33 PM, GC wrote:
> On 5/04/2013 02:35, Tony wrote:
>
>> Oh I definitely enjoy meeting the farmers, if they are within walking
>> distance of wherever I land. That doesn't always happen. Fewer and fewer
>> people are farming more and more acres these days. Population Density in
>> Western Kansas is probably less than 1 person per square miles.
>
> Same in Australia. SOP is to check the farmhouse you're planning to land
> near for: 1. Power lines to the house (two reasons for this) 2. Laundry
> hanging out. 3. Fresh tyre tracks into the garage/shed/barn. 4. The
> garden/grass looks watered.
>
> Only about 1 in 3 is inhabited these days.
>
> GC

Heh. One of my hitchhiking retrieves was in the panhandle of Texas. Musta been
a wet year because the lawn looked well cared for. No laundry though, despite
fresh tire tracks and powerlines to the house. No occupants, either. After
walking 3 miles to a paved highway and thumbing a few more, a member of an
itinerant road-paving crew from Missouri picked me up as he was driving to
town to his motel for the night; I think he wanted someone to talk to. Saved
me about 8 more miles of walking to the airport (shot down by outflow from a
thunderstorm on the "R" part of an O&R). I was later told the former occupants
of that house now lived in town, though they kept & used farming implements in
the equipment buildings, hence the tire tracks, I guess. Since my retrieve
crew was 3 sheets to the wind by the time I finished trudging the length of
the airport access road (I've a photo to prove it!), my retrieve may have
benefited from me NOT having had a cell phone on that landout...

Bob W.

[Uncle Fuzzy[_2_]]

On Thursday, April 4, 2013 5:07:29 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> New Mexico is pretty sparsely populated and I DO carry my phone. Coverage is pretty spotty, however, unless you're near a major highway.....

<snip> but the main point is that having technology like cell phone AND spot provides you *additional* options that you don't otherwise have.

I'm a HUGE fan of SPOT. Cell phones are great, but I've landed several places with no signal. SPOT allows friends to track progress in very nearly real-time. Which save lots of wondering and worrying, and is (IMO) fun. Very cheap and very effective.

[Uncle Fuzzy[_2_]]

On Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:30:04 AM UTC-7, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneWantAds Announcing an all new and TRULY FREE Facebook soaring want ads site! Add your for sale equipment to the Facebook community today watch it go viral within the Facebook soaring community in hours! A large segment of the soaring community is on Facebook today and that number is growing daily. It makes perfect sense that a dedicated Facebook page for want ads is created to support the soaring community. This site is absolutely free and 100% unassociated with any commercial interests. There are no restrictions to having your ad on any other website, any other poster board inside a soaring club perhaps, any other newspaper or magazine...etc. You ad will never expire and is always searchable, sharable and accessible by the roughly 1 Billion Facebook users. You can repost your ad as much as you would like. Log in, like the Sailplane Want Ads page and receive updates automatically as new ads are posted. Enjoy!

Sorry, this page isn't available.

[Sean F (F2)]

https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneForSaleWantAds?ref=hl

[Sean F (F2)]

7200 views in under a week. Wow! Far more than I expected. Get your ads up folks. Lots of interest in and traffic on this new Free Sailplane Want Ads Facebook Page!!!

Twitter sister page up as well this morning. Automatic posting from Twitter to Facebook and vice versa!

Google Plus and many others coming soon! All will be automatically linked. Place ad on one and have it added to numerous social media tools automatically.

Enjoy!

[Craig R.]

On Saturday, April 6, 2013 9:03:22 AM UTC-7, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> 7200 views in under a week. Wow! Far more than I expected. Get your ads up folks. Lots of interest in and traffic on this new Free Sailplane Want Ads Facebook Page!!!
>
>
>
> Twitter sister page up as well this morning. Automatic posting from Twitter to Facebook and vice versa!
>
>
>
> Google Plus and many others coming soon! All will be automatically linked. Place ad on one and have it added to numerous social media tools automatically.
>
>
>
> Enjoy!

Sean, wouldn’t you agree that this isn’t a proper test of how well Facebook, on it’s own merit, can be used to advertise gliders? The reason I ask this is because the actual advertising vehicle for your Facebook account are the threads on R.A.S. (Internet - not Facebook) that are continually being /bumped with “current” numbers. This keeps them at the top of the R.A.S. pile and peaks people’s interest on what’s going on. They then visit your Facebook account more out of curiosity than any interest in buying a glider.

In your opinion, how much actual interest is generated by R.A.S. versus people actually searching Facebook? Perhaps if you want to do the test properly, you could stop bumping it on R.A.S., give it 30 days, and then let us know what actual interest was generated by Facebook. I’d like to hear what those numbers are (before and after). Regards,

[Sean F (F2)]

All I can say is marketing is marketing. Social Media marketing is not about limiting everything you do to being within social media itself. The goal is to use it as a It's becoming glue that holds what you build (marketing wise) together to a certain extent. Its not just about Facebook. It's about a blended approach and building a strong network which is highly accessible, active and intrigued.

How companies (and organizations) drive people to their Facebook networks is as broad as possible. On the door to their stores they simple add a sign which says follow is on Facebook. A Facebook symbol on a print ad. On every commercial or radio ad you see or hear find us on facebook. This marketing (find us on facebook) is universally recognizable. Everything they do is trying to drive traffic to Facebook. Facebook is often more important to a company that their website. It's certainly far more powerful in terms of customer buyer influence.

For smaller organizations connecting with people who may be interested in following (liking) their Facebook page is often person to person promotion. A large percentage of people in the world today check facebook for information on a company instead of their website. this number is increasing at a massive pace. in fact, many companies trat their website as supportive to their facebook pages. they are correct! Almost every company on the planet that understands free value has spent considerable effort developing a Facebook network to stay in touch with their customers and supporters, etc. the reason: Cost effectiveness and the value of

Social media is how almost everyone under 35 in the world communicates with their friends, often co-workers and even family. 55 to 35 is growing extremely rapidly as well.

Soaring is an odd demographic which in the US is disproportionally old (>55) and therefore values social media less and with skepticism. Nevertheless, I think the idea of a social media means of sharing your for sale or wanted soaring equipment is a very useful and positive one. Especially one devoid of commercial influence and draconian exclusivity policies.

[Sean F (F2)]

All I can say is marketing is marketing. Social media (SM) marketing is not about limiting yourself to being within said SM tool itself (and never should be). The goal is to use SM as a sort of glue which holds your customers together and amplifies the value of marketing efforts for everyone (company and customers).

[Roy Clark, \B6\]

I learn a lot about many different things in my private adult psychiatry practice office in downtown Seattle.

The IT industry life is stressful and more than one from that group has sought assistance from me.

More than one have shared their “marketing secret” to the effect that –

“When we offer you a service for “Free” - just remember that you will become our “product!”

caveat emptor (Let the buyer beware – for those educated after the “enlightenment” of the late 1970s.)

[SteveB_Z5]

I posted one of the first (First?) ad on the FB site. I also have ads on the Cafe and GliderSource sites as well as www.z5mfg.com. No sales from the FB posting yet. Never tried to put one on W&W.

Steve


>
> Log in, like the Sailplane Want Ads page and receive updates automatically as new ads are posted.
>
>
>
> Enjoy!

[Sean F (F2)]

Steve,

Thanks for posting and I hope it works. Up to nearly 10,000 views in the first week it so and 175 likes. Both of those numbers should steadily rise in the weeks and months to come.

I think a seller should be welcomed to post his ad anywhere and everywhere. Facebook is something that makes sense as do all the other social media sites. I want our sport to grow and the community to be informed and in better contact. Facebook and the social media tools will certainly help accomplish these objectives in many ways.

The US Jr team just started a Facebook group and many soaring clubs, contests, etc are putting Facebook pages together, etc. these pages are very active and popular. Its happening now and accelerating every day. In a year it will be standard operating procedure in the US soaring world and we will be far better informed and connected because of it.

Good luck selling!

[Jeremy Keeling]

At 13:30 31 March 2013, Sean F F2 wrote:
>https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneWantAds
>
>Announcing an all new and TRULY FREE Facebook soaring want ads site!
Add
>=
>your for sale equipment to the Facebook community today watch it go viral
>w=
>ithin the Facebook soaring community in hours! A large segment of the
>soar=
>ing community is on Facebook today and that number is growing daily. It
>ma=
>kes perfect sense that a dedicated Facebook page for want ads is created
>to=
> support the soaring community.
>
>This site is absolutely free and 100% unassociated with any commercial
>inte=
>rests. There are no restrictions to having your ad on any other website,
>a=
>ny other poster board inside a soaring club perhaps, any other newspaper
>or=
> magazine...etc. =20
>
>You ad will never expire and is always searchable, sharable and
accessible
>=
>by the roughly 1 Billion Facebook users. You can repost your ad as much
>as=
> you would like.
>
>Log in, like the Sailplane Want Ads page and receive updates
automatically
>=
>as new ads are posted.
>
>Enjoy!
>

I've tried searching for the page to satisfy my curiousity, but it is no
longer active. It says that the page has been taken down?

[Mike the Strike]

On Monday, April 8, 2013 9:56:04 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Keeling wrote:
> At 13:30 31 March 2013, Sean F F2 wrote:
>
> >https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneWantAds
>
> >
>
> >Announcing an all new and TRULY FREE Facebook soaring want ads site!
>
> Add
>
>


>
> >your for sale equipment to the Facebook community today watch it go viral
>
> >w=
>
> >ithin the Facebook soaring community in hours! A large segment of the
>
> >soar=
>
> >ing community is on Facebook today and that number is growing daily. It
>
> >ma=
>
> >kes perfect sense that a dedicated Facebook page for want ads is created
>
> >to=
>
> > support the soaring community.
>
> >
>
> >This site is absolutely free and 100% unassociated with any commercial
>
> >inte=
>
> >rests. There are no restrictions to having your ad on any other website,
>
> >a=
>
> >ny other poster board inside a soaring club perhaps, any other newspaper
>
> >or=
>
> > magazine...etc. =20
>
> >
>
> >You ad will never expire and is always searchable, sharable and
>
> accessible
>
> >=
>
> >by the roughly 1 Billion Facebook users. You can repost your ad as much
>
> >as=
>
> > you would like.
>
> >
>
> >Log in, like the Sailplane Want Ads page and receive updates
>
> automatically
>
> >=
>
> >as new ads are posted.
>
> >
>
> >Enjoy!
>
> >
>
>
>
> I've tried searching for the page to satisfy my curiousity, but it is no
>
> longer active. It says that the page has been taken down?

Oh well - back to Wings & Wheels!

Mike

[Jeremy Keeling]

At 17:38 08 April 2013, Mike the Strike wrote:
>On Monday, April 8, 2013 9:56:04 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Keeling wrote:
>> At 13:30 31 March 2013, Sean F F2 wrote:
>>
>> >https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneWantAds
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Announcing an all new and TRULY FREE Facebook soaring want ads site!
>>
>> Add
>>
>>
>
>
>>
>> >your for sale equipment to the Facebook community today watch it go
>viral
>>
>> >w=
>>
>> >ithin the Facebook soaring community in hours! A large segment of the
>>
>> >soar=
>>
>> >ing community is on Facebook today and that number is growing daily.
It
>>
>> >ma=
>>
>> >kes perfect sense that a dedicated Facebook page for want ads is
created
>>
>> >to=
>>
>> > support the soaring community.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >This site is absolutely free and 100% unassociated with any commercial
>>
>> >inte=
>>
>> >rests. There are no restrictions to having your ad on any other
>website,
>>
>> >a=
>>
>> >ny other poster board inside a soaring club perhaps, any other
newspaper
>>
>> >or=
>>
>> > magazine...etc. =20
>>
>> >
>>
>> >You ad will never expire and is always searchable, sharable and
>>
>> accessible
>>
>> >=
>>
>> >by the roughly 1 Billion Facebook users. You can repost your ad as
much
>>
>> >as=
>>
>> > you would like.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Log in, like the Sailplane Want Ads page and receive updates
>>
>> automatically
>>
>> >=
>>
>> >as new ads are posted.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Enjoy!
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> I've tried searching for the page to satisfy my curiousity, but it is
no
>>
>> longer active. It says that the page has been taken down?
>
>Oh well - back to Wings & Wheels!
>
>Mike
>

OK it does seem the other facebook page has been removed, however the idea
of using social media to trade (buy and sell) gliders/light aircraft,
promote club events (including jobs?) as well as competitions is a good
idea and so I've tried to create another page:
https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneTrade?ref=hl

It's your page so do what you like with it guys and girls. Just one thing,
having read the Facebook terms and conditions it might be an idea to ask
whoever views your 'for sale' items to contact you via facebook e-mail
rather than putting up your mobile number or personal e-mail address? Just
a thought...

Hopefully this page doesn't get removed.



Enjoy :)

[Jeremy Keeling]

At 17:38 08 April 2013, Mike the Strike wrote:
>On Monday, April 8, 2013 9:56:04 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Keeling wrote:
>> At 13:30 31 March 2013, Sean F F2 wrote:
>>
>> >https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneWantAds
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Announcing an all new and TRULY FREE Facebook soaring want ads site!
>>
>> Add
>>
>>
>
>
>>
>> >your for sale equipment to the Facebook community today watch it go
>viral
>>
>> >w=
>>
>> >ithin the Facebook soaring community in hours! A large segment of the
>>
>> >soar=
>>
>> >ing community is on Facebook today and that number is growing daily.
It
>>
>> >ma=
>>
>> >kes perfect sense that a dedicated Facebook page for want ads is
created
>>
>> >to=
>>
>> > support the soaring community.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >This site is absolutely free and 100% unassociated with any commercial
>>
>> >inte=
>>
>> >rests. There are no restrictions to having your ad on any other
>website,
>>
>> >a=
>>
>> >ny other poster board inside a soaring club perhaps, any other
newspaper
>>
>> >or=
>>
>> > magazine...etc. =20
>>
>> >
>>
>> >You ad will never expire and is always searchable, sharable and
>>
>> accessible
>>
>> >=
>>
>> >by the roughly 1 Billion Facebook users. You can repost your ad as
much
>>
>> >as=
>>
>> > you would like.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Log in, like the Sailplane Want Ads page and receive updates
>>
>> automatically
>>
>> >=
>>
>> >as new ads are posted.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Enjoy!
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> I've tried searching for the page to satisfy my curiousity, but it is
no
>>
>> longer active. It says that the page has been taken down?
>
>Oh well - back to Wings & Wheels!
>
>Mike
>

OK it does seem the other facebook page has been removed, however the idea
of using social media to trade (buy and sell) gliders/light aircraft,
promote club events (including jobs?) as well as competitions is a good
idea and so I've tried to create another page:
https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneTrade?ref=hl

It's your page so do what you like with it guys and girls. Just one thing,
having read the Facebook terms and conditions it might be an idea to ask
whoever views your 'for sale' items to contact you via facebook e-mail
rather than putting up your mobile number or personal e-mail address? Just
a thought...

Hopefully this page doesn't get removed.



Enjoy :)

[[email protected]]

Looks like the name of the page was changed slightly. You can find it at https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneForSaleWantAds


On Monday, April 8, 2013 4:20:24 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Keeling wrote:
> At 17:38 08 April 2013, Mike the Strike wrote:
>
> >On Monday, April 8, 2013 9:56:04 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Keeling wrote:
>
> >> At 13:30 31 March 2013, Sean F F2 wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneWantAds
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >Announcing an all new and TRULY FREE Facebook soaring want ads site!
>
> >>
>
> >> Add
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >your for sale equipment to the Facebook community today watch it go
>
> >viral
>
> >>
>
> >> >w=
>
> >>
>
> >> >ithin the Facebook soaring community in hours! A large segment of the
>
> >>
>
> >> >soar=
>
> >>
>
> >> >ing community is on Facebook today and that number is growing daily.
>
> It
>
> >>
>
> >> >ma=
>
> >>
>
> >> >kes perfect sense that a dedicated Facebook page for want ads is
>
> created
>
> >>
>
> >> >to=
>
> >>
>
> >> > support the soaring community.
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >This site is absolutely free and 100% unassociated with any commercial
>
> >>
>
> >> >inte=
>
> >>
>
> >> >rests. There are no restrictions to having your ad on any other
>
> >website,
>
> >>
>
> >> >a=
>
> >>
>
> >> >ny other poster board inside a soaring club perhaps, any other
>
> newspaper
>
> >>
>
> >> >or=
>
> >>
>
> >> > magazine...etc. =20
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >You ad will never expire and is always searchable, sharable and
>
> >>
>
> >> accessible
>
> >>
>
> >> >=
>
> >>
>
> >> >by the roughly 1 Billion Facebook users. You can repost your ad as
>
> much
>
> >>
>
> >> >as=
>
> >>
>
> >> > you would like.
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >Log in, like the Sailplane Want Ads page and receive updates
>
> >>
>
> >> automatically
>
> >>
>
> >> >=
>
> >>
>
> >> >as new ads are posted.
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >Enjoy!
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I've tried searching for the page to satisfy my curiousity, but it is
>
> no
>
> >>
>
> >> longer active. It says that the page has been taken down?
>
> >
>
> >Oh well - back to Wings & Wheels!
>
> >
>
> >Mike
>
> >
>
>
>
> OK it does seem the other facebook page has been removed, however the idea
>
> of using social media to trade (buy and sell) gliders/light aircraft,
>
> promote club events (including jobs?) as well as competitions is a good
>
> idea and so I've tried to create another page:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneTrade?ref=hl
>
>
>
> It's your page so do what you like with it guys and girls. Just one thing,
>
> having read the Facebook terms and conditions it might be an idea to ask
>
> whoever views your 'for sale' items to contact you via facebook e-mail
>
> rather than putting up your mobile number or personal e-mail address? Just
>
> a thought...
>
>
>
> Hopefully this page doesn't get removed.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Enjoy :)

[Jeremy Keeling]

At 22:46 08 April 2013, wrote:
>Looks like the name of the page was changed slightly. You can find it at
>https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneForSaleWantAds
>
>
>On Monday, April 8, 2013 4:20:24 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Keeling wrote:
>> At 17:38 08 April 2013, Mike the Strike wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, April 8, 2013 9:56:04 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Keeling wrote:
>>
>> >> At 13:30 31 March 2013, Sean F F2 wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneWantAds
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >Announcing an all new and TRULY FREE Facebook soaring want ads site!

>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Add
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >your for sale equipment to the Facebook community today watch it go
>>
>> >viral
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >w=
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >ithin the Facebook soaring community in hours! A large segment of
>the
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >soar=
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >ing community is on Facebook today and that number is growing daily.

>>
>> It
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >ma=
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >kes perfect sense that a dedicated Facebook page for want ads is
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>> created
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>> >> >to=
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>> >>
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>> >> > support the soaring community.
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>> >> >
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>> >> >This site is absolutely free and 100% unassociated with any
>commercial
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>> >> >inte=
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>> >>
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>> >> >rests. There are no restrictions to having your ad on any other
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>> >website,
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>> >>
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>> >> >a=
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>> >>
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>> >> >ny other poster board inside a soaring club perhaps, any other
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>> newspaper
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>> >>
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>> >> >or=
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>> >> > magazine...etc. =20
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>> >>
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>> >> >
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>> >>
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>> >> >You ad will never expire and is always searchable, sharable and
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>> >>
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>> >> accessible
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>> >>
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>> >> >=
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>> >>
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>> >> >by the roughly 1 Billion Facebook users. You can repost your ad as
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>> much
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>> >>
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>> >> >as=
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>> >>
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>> >> > you would like.
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>> >>
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>> >> >
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>> >>
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>> >> >Log in, like the Sailplane Want Ads page and receive updates
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>> >>
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>> >> automatically
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>> >>
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>> >> >=
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>> >>
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>> >> >as new ads are posted.
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>> >> >Enjoy!
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>> >> >
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>> >> I've tried searching for the page to satisfy my curiousity, but it
is
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>> no
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>> >>
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>> >> longer active. It says that the page has been taken down?
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>> >
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>> >Oh well - back to Wings & Wheels!
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>> >
>>
>> >Mike
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>> >
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>>
>>
>> OK it does seem the other facebook page has been removed, however the
>idea
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>> of using social media to trade (buy and sell) gliders/light aircraft,
>>
>> promote club events (including jobs?) as well as competitions is a good
>>
>> idea and so I've tried to create another page:
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>> https://www.facebook.com/SailplaneTrade?ref=hl
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>>
>>
>> It's your page so do what you like with it guys and girls. Just one
>thing,
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>> having read the Facebook terms and conditions it might be an idea to
ask
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>> whoever views your 'for sale' items to contact you via facebook e-mail
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>> rather than putting up your mobile number or personal e-mail address?
>Just
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>> a thought...
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>> Hopefully this page doesn't get removed.
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>>
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>> Enjoy :)
>
>

Fair enough. I've deleted the page I created - thanks for letting us all
know about the name change.

[Sean F (F2)]

Sorry about that guys. I changed the name for google search reasons. Thanks for pointing all to the new URL.

Over 175 likes and 12,000 page views so far! Amazing!!!

[[email protected]]

Am Dienstag, 9. April 2013 01:47:44 UTC+2 schrieb Sean F (F2):
> Sorry about that guys. I changed the name for google search reasons. Thanks for pointing all to the new URL.
>
>
>
> Over 175 likes and 12,000 page views so far! Amazing!!!

Not amazing at all.

If you want to have tons of sail-plane classifies go to http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.segelflug.de%2Fcgi-bin%2Fclassifieds%2Fclassifieds.cgi

[[email protected]]

Spell checkers sometimes change the meaning of a posting, if not used properly. Sorry for that.

[Sean F (F2)]

Its all good!

[Sean F (F2)]

195 likes and 17,000 views!

[[email protected]]

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:25:13 AM UTC-6, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> 195 likes and 17,000 views!

Sean,
I would like to post an ad but I do not have a Facebook account (And I don't want one). Is it considered bad form if my son or wife were to post for me. Ive seen other sites where aircraft are post for "friends".

[Sean F (F2)]

Just send me an email with a photo and your description and I will be happy to post it for you! Good luck!



Best,

Sean

[Sean F (F2)]

Bravo Bill!!!

http://glidersource.com/cgi-bin/post.cgi?id=288

[Papa3[_2_]]

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:06:15 AM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> 100 likes and nearly 1200 views in just a couple days....

Over 190 likes. And nearly 5 items listed since April - Worldwide! Looks like Sean taught those old guys a thing or two.

P3

[Sean F (F2)]

Papa3 you genius. If it doesn't slap you in the face you cannot see it.

Obviously your not aware of the other pages on Facebook. On other social media tools localized for various countries and continents.

I'm not going to tell you the name because you'll never find it. It amuses me that you have no idea what your talking about.

Now carry on pal. And thanks for the great laugh...