Re: What's next for Garmin handhelds?

[Mike Rapoport]

Larger screens, color screens.

Mike
MU-2

"R. Hubbell" > wrote in message
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>
> Any prognosticators out there that know what's next from Garmin in
> the handheld category? I like the size of the Airmap 1000 but I also
> like the company, Garmin, a little better.
>
>
>
> R. Hubbell

[john smith]

Mike Rapoport wrote:
> Larger screens, color screens.

Color is not a good choice until a better, longer lasting, portable
power supply is developed (or a lower powered, less demanding color
display is developed.)

Grey-scale displays are more energy efficient and have a lower
acquisition cost.

[Peter]

john smith wrote:
>> Larger screens, color screens.
>
> Color is not a good choice until a better, longer lasting, portable
> power supply is developed (or a lower powered, less demanding color
> display is developed.)

The new Garmin 60c & 60cs hiking/driving units with color screens use less
power than any of their previous handhelds with grey-scale displays. The
specification is 30 hours of use on a pair of alkaline AA cells and
indications are this is achievable under daytime outdoor conditions (where
the transreflective screen doesn't need the backlight).

[Mike Rapoport]

The new color screens use a lot less power, that's why they are appearing on
cell phones.

Mike
MU-2


"john smith" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Rapoport wrote:
> > Larger screens, color screens.
>
> Color is not a good choice until a better, longer lasting, portable
> power supply is developed (or a lower powered, less demanding color
> display is developed.)
>
> Grey-scale displays are more energy efficient and have a lower
> acquisition cost.
>

[Jon Woellhaf]

John Smith wrote, "Color is not a good choice [for a handheld GPS] until a
better, longer lasting, portable power supply is developed (or a lower
powered, less demanding color display is developed."

That was the opinion of a very obnoxious (I thought) Garmin marketing person
I spoke to a couple years ago at Oshkosh. I disagreed. I run my GPSMAP 295
on ship's power (or car power) and find its battery life more than adequate.
He insisted that Garmin would not introduce a replacement for the 295 until
battery life could be dramatically extended.

I hope the 296 is introduced at Sun 'n Fun.

Jon

[C J Campbell]

"R. Hubbell" > wrote in message
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>
>
> Any prognosticators out there that know what's next from Garmin in
> the handheld category? I like the size of the Airmap 1000 but I also
> like the company, Garmin, a little better.

Does it really matter? Panel GPS units are becoming extremely common. The
handheld is being relegated to backup status, like a handheld radio.

My guess is that eventually we will see an all-in-one GPS/Nav/Com with
personal ELT, about the size of a cellular phone, with an interface like the
196. Perhaps it will be a cellular phone, too, and even a PDA. Since it
really is intended for emergency use, the com radio only needs a couple of
frequencies such as emergency and weather channels.

In the meantime, I expect to see the 296 introduced sometime this year.

[Jay Masino]

C J Campbell > wrote:
> Does it really matter? Panel GPS units are becoming extremely common. The
> handheld is being relegated to backup status, like a handheld radio.

Nah. There's still A LOT of people who don't want to spend the cash for
a panel mount. Heck... I have an "obsolete" IFR GPS (the GX-60), and
I can't see spending the money anytime soon for a fancy color panel mount.
The handhelds are way more cost effective. I actually look at my GPSMAP
195 the majority of the time.


> My guess is that eventually we will see an all-in-one GPS/Nav/Com with
> personal ELT, about the size of a cellular phone, with an interface like the
> 196. Perhaps it will be a cellular phone, too, and even a PDA. Since it
> really is intended for emergency use, the com radio only needs a couple of
> frequencies such as emergency and weather channels.

Although, I agree that something like this could be designed, I doubt
that it would go over very well. We don't need a *smaller* screen. And,
a lot of people will still be using handhelds for day to day use... not
just emergencies.

> In the meantime, I expect to see the 296 introduced sometime this year.

Or, if it follows Garmin's numbering for their boat GPSs, it'll be the
196c. The 176c looks pretty nice. They could have a 196c right now.

--- Jay


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[Dan Luke]

"john smith" wrote:
> Color is not a good choice until a ... lower powered, less demanding
> color display is developed.)

I've heard that ever since the 295 came out. It hasn't been an issue for
me. I run my 295 on ship's power and keep fresh alkalines in it. If I
lost ship's power, the batteries would last plenty long enough to get me
to an airport.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

[john smith]

Mike Rapoport wrote:
> The new color screens use a lot less power, that's why they are appearing on
> cell phones.

Are they in continuous use? Or, is it intermittent?
How long does a battery last with continuous use?

[john smith]

Jon Woellhaf wrote:
> I disagreed. I run my GPSMAP 295
> on ship's power (or car power) and find its battery life more than adequate.

How long do the internals last when ship's power is removed?

[C J Campbell]

"R. Hubbell" > wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:03:51 -0800 "C J Campbell"
> wrote:

>
> "R. Hubbell" > wrote in message
> news:20040305082731.0e32b58f@fstop...
> >
> >
> > Any prognosticators out there that know what's next from Garmin in
> > the handheld category? I like the size of the Airmap 1000 but I also
> > like the company, Garmin, a little better.
>
> Does it really matter? Panel GPS units are becoming extremely common. The
> handheld is being relegated to backup status, like a handheld radio.

Handhelds are great, especially if you don't own your own plane.

>
> My guess is that eventually we will see an all-in-one GPS/Nav/Com with
> personal ELT, about the size of a cellular phone, with an interface like
the
> 196. Perhaps it will be a cellular phone, too, and even a PDA. Since it
> really is intended for emergency use, the com radio only needs a couple of
> frequencies such as emergency and weather channels.


They have GPS/ELT/EPIRB/PLB units now that use 406MHz. Maybe they could
add a cell-phone to dial 911.

>
> In the meantime, I expect to see the 296 introduced sometime this year.

I haven't seen any mention of it. Is it a color 196?

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The old color GPS is the 295. Just as the 196 replaced the 195 it is assumed
that there is a '296' that will eventually replace the 295. Garmin is very
secretive. They will sell 295's and deny that there is a replacement in the
works right up to the day they announce the replacement and put it on sale
at some major air show. Even their factory reps will not know anything about
it until then -- they will even be encouraged to tell people that Garmin has
decided that color GPS is a bad idea (which they do). That is what Garmin
has always done in the past, so there is little reason to expect that they
will do anything different this time. They have done this so often that no
one believes them any more. What the actual designation of that replacement
will be is unknown. So most people call the replacement the 296 out of
convenience.

It may not be a color 196 any more than the 295 was a color 195. Garmin is
probably being truthful (from a certain point of view) when they say that
there is no color version of the 196 in the works. No, the 296 (or whatever
they choose to call it) could well be something that is completely
different, with a different screen size, button layout, and overall shape. I
know one guy who claims to have seen a '296.' He said it looked like a small
tablet PC with a touch screen. Of course, he could be lying through his
teeth.

Garmin's marketing strategy is interesting. It is based around the idea that
announcing new products before they are introduced will hurt sales of
current products. It is the exact opposite of most technology manufacturers'
strategy, which holds the theory that you announce new products as early as
possible to prevent your customers from buying your competitors' products,
giving rise to the term 'vaporware.' Garmin does not usually do 'vaporware,'
although WAAS for the GNS panel mount units is a notable exception.

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I have almost lost all hope about Garmin's aviation "handhelds" - I love
their products but the Lowrance 500 is calling my name. (I owned a GPS
III Plus and a 195, for a while.) Garmin is seeming to take a geologic
age to update the GPS III Pilot into something more desireable....

Here is what I want Garmin to do:

Make a unit that has the same (or thinner) form factor as the GPS III
Pilot, but with a COLOR, higher resolution, backlit color display.
Maintain or improve the battery life. Provide a large amount of RAM in
which I can load RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE ($50 for my area - e.g.
California) terrestrial (highway/road/street) data. ("Go to/Turn Here"
instructions would be nice but this is IMO a luxury.) Provide a
rechargeable battery (preferably NiMh), an NMEA-capable USB data cable,
and perhaps a yoke mounting device of some kind, as Lowrance did with my
Airmap 100. Include the 195's pseudo-IFR approach capability. Keep it
under $600.

I'd also like to download TFR info from Jepp Flitestar, but I know
that's a stretch...

Garmin: make it, and I will buy it.

Dave Blevins

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:27:31 -0800, R. Hubbell
> wrote:

>
>
>Any prognosticators out there that know what's next from Garmin in
>the handheld category? I like the size of the Airmap 1000 but I also
>like the company, Garmin, a little better.
>
>
>
>R. Hubbell

[Doug]

Obstruction database (radio towers etc), and recharges when plugged
into aircraft power PLEASE.

I have a 195. Nice unit, but getting a little old. But I wont upgrade
until I get the above two.

GRMN stock has taken a dip (it was up to $59), it is now around $46.
Great company, great future.

[Bob Fry]

No prognostication, but what I want is terrain and obstacle data. I
won't buy another Garmin handheld until they include that. The day
the do is probably the day I sell my 295 on eBay for $500 and get the
new one--with elevation data.