John Kerry: No ATC Privatization on His Watch

[Larry Dighera]

While this AVflash blurb points the way for airmen at the ballot box,
I find it interesting that Kerry has overlooked the fact that it was
Clinton/Gore who initiated the notion ATC privatization.



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AVflash Volume 10, Number 10b -- March 4, 2004

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SUPER TUESDAY PLUS ONE, NATCA BACKS KERRY
Tuesday's primaries put Sen. John Kerry on track to be this year's
Democratic nominee for president, and that is fine with the folks
at the National Air Traffic Controllers Association (NATCA). The
union yesterday gave its enthusiastic support to Kerry, after he
courted them with a promise that there would be no ATC
privatization on his watch. "I have been disappointed with the Bush
administration's systematic plans to diminish our air traffic
control system," Kerry wrote to the controllers union. NATCA called
Kerry "the candidate who will ensure that the safety of the flying
public never takes a back seat to political ideology or special
interests." Actually, both Kerry and NATCA had a lot to say.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/205-full.html#186834

[Ted]

Larry Dighera wrote:

> While this AVflash blurb points the way for airmen at the ballot box,
> I find it interesting that Kerry has overlooked the fact that it was
> Clinton/Gore who initiated the notion ATC privatization.

So does this mean that Kerry will be shutting down those awful PRIVATIZED
contract towers? The ones here in New England do a pretty good job, I had
no idea how terrible they were until Kerry told us.

By the way if you ever cross paths with Kerry, he's easy to spot. He's
the tall guy jumping in line, shouting "Do You Know Who I am???" at
everyone. Real man of the people, J. F. Kerry is.

[Bob Noel]

In article >, Larry Dighera
> wrote:

> While this AVflash blurb points the way for airmen at the ballot box,
> I find it interesting that Kerry has overlooked the fact that it was
> Clinton/Gore who initiated the notion ATC privatization.

yeah, I'm wondering where live shot was on this issue during
the clinton years.

In any case, I'm sure live shot won't waffle on this issue.

--
Bob Noel

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Larry Dighera
> > wrote:
>
> > While this AVflash blurb points the way for airmen at the ballot box,
> > I find it interesting that Kerry has overlooked the fact that it was
> > Clinton/Gore who initiated the notion ATC privatization.
>
> yeah, I'm wondering where live shot was on this issue during
> the clinton years.
>
> In any case, I'm sure live shot won't waffle on this issue.

He'll probably turn over ATC functions to the UN after he's inaugurated.

[Jay Honeck]

> He'll probably turn over ATC functions to the UN after he's inaugurated.

Don't be absurd.

I'm sure he'll get Security Council approval first...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[C J Campbell]

Well, I am sure the controller's union will be happy about that.

Personally I have mixed feelings about privatization.

[Cub Driver]

>Well, I am sure the controller's union will be happy about that.

Evidently, given that it just endorsed Kerry :)

But in fact, there's no necessary connection. UPS is a private
company, but all its drivers are Teamsters.

(How in the world did privatized package delivery ever slip past the
government?)


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (requires authentication)

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[Doug Carter]

On 2004-03-07, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> He'll probably turn over ATC functions to the UN after he's inaugurated.
>
> Don't be absurd.
>
> I'm sure he'll get Security Council approval first...
>
> ;-)

And you'll be able to appeal your TFR bust to the International War
Crimes Tribunal!

[Newps]

C J Campbell wrote:

> Well, I am sure the controller's union will be happy about that.



Kerry could have come out for privatization and still got NATCA's
backing. It's a union, who else are they going to support?

[Chip Jones]

"Newps" > wrote in message
news:EcI2c.497466$I06.5340539@attbi_s01...
>
>
> C J Campbell wrote:
>
> > Well, I am sure the controller's union will be happy about that.
>
>
>
> Kerry could have come out for privatization and still got NATCA's
> backing. It's a union, who else are they going to support?
>

After all, Stalin is dead and we can't find Hoffa...

Chip, NATCA ZTL

[Newps]

Chip Jones wrote:

> "Newps" > wrote in message
> news:EcI2c.497466$I06.5340539@attbi_s01...
>
>>
>>C J Campbell wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Well, I am sure the controller's union will be happy about that.
>>
>>
>>
>>Kerry could have come out for privatization and still got NATCA's
>>backing. It's a union, who else are they going to support?
>>
>
>
> After all, Stalin is dead and we can't find Hoffa...

You guys there in ZTL could pick up a few pointers from the guys running
traffic for the Vegas area. What the hell's going on there?

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Newps > wrote:
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>>
>> After all, Stalin is dead and we can't find Hoffa...
>
> You guys there in ZTL could pick up a few pointers from the guys running
> traffic for the Vegas area. What the hell's going on there?

at ZTL, or L30?

L30 is pretty damn tight now. the newest installment of RNAV
procedures work WONDERFULLY for the place. Though, I'd really like to
see what will happen in the next couple of years when Ivanpah Int'l is
built, and how the 4 Corners Post is affected by it, and the shift of
Int'l and cargo flights to that field.

BL.
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Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! :) | http://www.sbcglobal.net/~tyketto
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[Chip Jones]

"Newps" > wrote in message
news:6%Q2c.82452$PR3.1197472@attbi_s03...
>
>
> Chip Jones wrote:
>
> > "Newps" > wrote in message
> > news:EcI2c.497466$I06.5340539@attbi_s01...
> >
> >>
> >>C J Campbell wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Well, I am sure the controller's union will be happy about that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Kerry could have come out for privatization and still got NATCA's
> >>backing. It's a union, who else are they going to support?
> >>
> >
> >
> > After all, Stalin is dead and we can't find Hoffa...
>
> You guys there in ZTL could pick up a few pointers from the guys running
> traffic for the Vegas area. What the hell's going on there?
>

Dunno bro. My first thought was job action, except that NATCA holds
advanced union rep training in Vegas. In fact, there was a big love-in last
month out there. All of the NATCA High Lords and Ladies spent a lot of time
stuck in airports and airplanes trying to get in and out of Vegas in what
should have been routine crappy weather at their own facilities. You gotta
wonder...

Maybe when Atlanta gets her 5th runway we can go out to Vegas to learn how
to pack that 20 mile final.

Chip, ZTL

[Wdtabor]

In article >, Larry Dighera
> writes:

>
>While this AVflash blurb points the way for airmen at the ballot box,

Assuming everyone who flies is strupid enough to make their choice on that
single issue.

As I look at it, it isn't that important. If Kerry gets his way, few of us will
be able to afford to fly anyway.


--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

[G.R. Patterson III]

Chip Jones wrote:
>
> Maybe when Atlanta gets her 5th runway we can go out to Vegas to learn how
> to pack that 20 mile final.

Where are they putting the new one? Parallel to and south of the others?

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

[Pixel Dent]

In article >,
"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote:

> "Bob Noel" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, Larry Dighera
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > While this AVflash blurb points the way for airmen at the ballot box,
> > > I find it interesting that Kerry has overlooked the fact that it was
> > > Clinton/Gore who initiated the notion ATC privatization.
> >
> > yeah, I'm wondering where live shot was on this issue during
> > the clinton years.
> >
> > In any case, I'm sure live shot won't waffle on this issue.
>
> He'll probably turn over ATC functions to the UN after he's inaugurated.
>
>

Does this mean you will no longer be allowed to log unilateral
approaches?

[Newps]

Chip Jones wrote:

>
> Dunno bro. My first thought was job action, except that NATCA holds
> advanced union rep training in Vegas. In fact, there was a big love-in last
> month out there. All of the NATCA High Lords and Ladies spent a lot of time
> stuck in airports and airplanes trying to get in and out of Vegas in what
> should have been routine crappy weather at their own facilities. You gotta
> wonder...

It was routine but not even the newest TRACON controller calls 4000
scattered crappy.

[Chip Jones]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Chip Jones wrote:
> >
> > Maybe when Atlanta gets her 5th runway we can go out to Vegas to learn
how
> > to pack that 20 mile final.
>
> Where are they putting the new one? Parallel to and south of the others?
>

Yep. Now if FAA can just get the ARTCC controllers back to the negotiating
table to redesign the Atlanta STARS the new runway might actually make a
difference in the arrival rate. ZTL controllers have pulled out of all of
the national, regional and local airspace workgroups because we don't have
enough staffing to attend the meetings. As it stands now, they will build
it but no one will come...

Chip, ZTL

[Saryon]

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:04:02 GMT, "Chip Jones"
> wrote:

>Yep. Now if FAA can just get the ARTCC controllers back to the negotiating
>table to redesign the Atlanta STARS the new runway might actually make a
>difference in the arrival rate. ZTL controllers have pulled out of all of
>the national, regional and local airspace workgroups because we don't have
>enough staffing to attend the meetings. As it stands now, they will build
>it but no one will come...

My experience in the large business arena says that not only will they
build it anyway, but someone who knows nothing about what needs to be
done to make it worthwhile will come up with and send out procedures
on how it will be used regardless of whether the people who have to
implement them are represented on the panel drawing them up or
not.....

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Pixel Dent" > wrote in message
. ..
> In article >,
> "Tom Sixkiller" > wrote:
>
> > "Bob Noel" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >, Larry Dighera
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > While this AVflash blurb points the way for airmen at the ballot
box,
> > > > I find it interesting that Kerry has overlooked the fact that it was
> > > > Clinton/Gore who initiated the notion ATC privatization.
> > >
> > > yeah, I'm wondering where live shot was on this issue during
> > > the clinton years.
> > >
> > > In any case, I'm sure live shot won't waffle on this issue.
> >
> > He'll probably turn over ATC functions to the UN after he's inaugurated.
> >
> >
>
> Does this mean you will no longer be allowed to log unilateral
> approaches?

Only if you don't bring forty passengers with you.

[Roger Halstead]

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:36:52 GMT, Newps > wrote:

>
>
>C J Campbell wrote:
>
>> Well, I am sure the controller's union will be happy about that.
>
>
>
>Kerry could have come out for privatization and still got NATCA's
>backing. It's a union, who else are they going to support?

Did you see the cartoon the other day? It was about the Democratic
party being down to just two candidates. It showed Kerry standing on
both sides of the podium. He's the only guy in either party
supporting both sides of any argument/subject. <:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Chip Jones]

"Saryon" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:04:02 GMT, "Chip Jones"
> > wrote:
>
> >Yep. Now if FAA can just get the ARTCC controllers back to the
negotiating
> >table to redesign the Atlanta STARS the new runway might actually make a
> >difference in the arrival rate. ZTL controllers have pulled out of all
of
> >the national, regional and local airspace workgroups because we don't
have
> >enough staffing to attend the meetings. As it stands now, they will
build
> >it but no one will come...
>
> My experience in the large business arena says that not only will they
> build it anyway, but someone who knows nothing about what needs to be
> done to make it worthwhile will come up with and send out procedures
> on how it will be used regardless of whether the people who have to
> implement them are represented on the panel drawing them up or
> not.....

LOL! That's exactly what they will do! Just like DVRSM...

Chip, ZTL

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Roger Halstead" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:36:52 GMT, Newps > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >C J Campbell wrote:
> >
> >> Well, I am sure the controller's union will be happy about that.
> >
> >
> >
> >Kerry could have come out for privatization and still got NATCA's
> >backing. It's a union, who else are they going to support?
>
> Did you see the cartoon the other day? It was about the Democratic
> party being down to just two candidates. It showed Kerry standing on
> both sides of the podium. He's the only guy in either party
> supporting both sides of any argument/subject. <:-))

It must be creating a cottage industry.

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