OK, it's really simple. Clear your mind and listen closely.

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"Motorgliders" are airplanes. Got it??

Rick Lake

[WAVEGURU]

At least I was trying to be a little delicate about it. ;^) But this is what I was trying to say. They are not gliders, in the true sense.

Boggs

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On Friday, May 3, 2013 10:25:44 AM UTC-5, Waveguru wrote:
> At least I was trying to be a little delicate about it. ;^) But this is what I was trying to say. They are not gliders, in the true sense.
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> Boggs

The motorglider category goes all the way up to Mr. Branson's fast toys, Spaceships 1 and 2. I wouldn't mind being in that company...
Seeing things black and white only is narrow minded, there are lots of good reasons for some pilots to have an engine on board. Many of them are more than capable of beating the snot out of the engines-are-from-the-devil crowd.
Herb

[Bob Kuykendall]

I agree with Herb. I think that the future of soaring as a viable
sport will involve hybrid solutions that blur a lot of the lines that
we draw now. For example, consider a ground launch to about 1000 feet
and then powered cruise on an 18 kw electric sustainer until the first
thermal is encountered. Is that a motorglider?

Thanks, Bob K.

[kirk.stant]

On Friday, May 3, 2013 9:25:52 AM UTC-7, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
> I agree with Herb. I think that the future of soaring as a viable
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> sport will involve hybrid solutions that blur a lot of the lines that
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> we draw now. For example, consider a ground launch to about 1000 feet
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> and then powered cruise on an 18 kw electric sustainer until the first
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> thermal is encountered. Is that a motorglider?

But isn't the whole argument about racing/competition? I have no doubt that having a sustainer would change the way I fly XC. So would having a heavy self-launcher. The question is whether it is fair to lump these together and score the same way in a contest environment.

Personally, when I win the lottery I'm getting a jet sustainer. And If I lived somewhere with no-one to help with a ground launch, I would consider a self launcher. But I do enjoy the simplicity of not having any motor. It's all part of the wonderful spectrum of soaring!

Kirk
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[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 5/3/2013 8:17 AM, wrote:
> "Motorgliders" are airplanes. Got it??

Nope. But, I'd be interested in why you want to make that distinction,
and how it will help the sport of soaring prosper.

I've done more soaring with my "airplane" than I did with my gliders; in
fact, I've soared my "airplane" more hours than my four gliders combined.

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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Friday, May 3, 2013 10:17:26 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> "Motorgliders" are airplanes. Got it?? Rick Lake

I am glad you don't work for the FAA, Rick. Motorgliders are NOT airplanes. They are aircraft. Got it??

[Bob Kuykendall]

On May 3, 11:13*am, "kirk.stant" > wrote:

> But isn't the whole argument about racing/competition?

Is it? If that is the case, then this thread has become detached from
its intended context.

> The question is whether it is fair to lump these together and
> score the same way in a contest environment.

Yes, good point. But I think that that is part of a larger
conversation about what constitutes a contest.

Thanks, Bob K.

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Wow Steve, with that kind of profound insight
I'm guessing you do work for the FAA.

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On Friday, May 3, 2013 11:17:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> "Motorgliders" are airplanes. Got it?? Rick Lake

In a sport as small as we are there isn't much room for telling others
that "they are not one of us".
Mind clear and open.
UH

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On Friday, May 3, 2013 9:17:26 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> "Motorgliders" are airplanes. Got it??
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> Rick Lake

Just to upscrew this chain of thought, since UH has put the cap on its former modestly coherent direction, what about handicaps and two seaters, especially when flown by two decently skilled pilots? Don't they have serious advantages over the rest of us, who fly all alone ....?
HL
PS: Those who are giving rides and making serious donations to US team funds are clearly exempt from all such seditious thinking.

[Tony[_5_]]

On Friday, May 3, 2013 3:31:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Friday, May 3, 2013 9:17:26 AM UTC-6, wrote: > "Motorgliders" are airplanes. Got it?? > > > > Rick Lake Just to upscrew this chain of thought, since UH has put the cap on its former modestly coherent direction, what about handicaps and two seaters, especially when flown by two decently skilled pilots? Don't they have serious advantages over the rest of us, who fly all alone ....? HL PS: Those who are giving rides and making serious donations to US team funds are clearly exempt from all such seditious thinking.

as i told someone a few weeks ago, your opinion on the fairness of a handicap has everything to do with what you are flying and what you are getting beaten by.

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Friday, May 3, 2013 2:06:03 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Wow Steve, with that kind of profound insight I'm guessing you do work for the FAA.

No, I work for a company that is affected by everything the FAA does. Airplane and aircraft are not interchangable words in the world of regulations.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 5/3/2013 11:13 AM, kirk.stant wrote:
> But isn't the whole argument about racing/competition?

I believe the original poster was concerned only with the OLC. That's a
much different situation than racing competition, where the gliders are
flown at the same time in the same place.

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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

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"I believe the original poster was concerned only with the OLC"

Ah. That explains everything. How could I have failed to divine what he was saying after reading that in depth and well argued first post of his?

So I guess he's miffed about pilots using the "safety reserve" intrinsic in a motorglider to perform flights that would be too risky in a pure glider (eyes rolling) and thus getting high OLC scores and reveling in the lucrative prize money and adoring attentions of vast numbers of beautiful women that comes with being at the top of the OLC?

If a motorglider was an aeroplane I wouldn't be able to fly one on the authority of my glider pilot's license. My license would let me fly one, only my income prevents it :-)

[Uncle Fuzzy[_2_]]

...... and thus getting high OLC scores and reveling in the lucrative
prize money and adoring attentions of vast numbers of beautiful women
that comes with being at the top of the OLC?
>

Wait.... no prize money?? What about "Fame and Glory"?