See You Mobile Declared Task Pilot Name

[Wade]

If see you mobile was registered to someone else and they are letting you borrow their PDA for a badge flight, the name attached to the registration is what gets declared to any other devices linked up (Cambridge 302 for example).

I can enter a separate pilot in the Cambridge 302/303 but I don't want a task declared through to the 302/303 with a different name from see you mobile. Does anyone know a good solution to this one?

Thanks
Wade

[Dickie Feakes]

Buy your own copy of See You Mobile!


At 05:58 07 May 2013, Wade wrote:
>If see you mobile was registered to someone else and they are letting you
>borrow their PDA for a badge flight, the name attached to the
registration
>is what gets declared to any other devices linked up (Cambridge 302 for
>example).
>
>I can enter a separate pilot in the Cambridge 302/303 but I don't want a
>task declared through to the 302/303 with a different name from see you
>mobile. Does anyone know a good solution to this one?
>
>Thanks
>Wade
>

[Wojciech Scigala]

Użytkownik Wade napisał:

> I can enter a separate pilot in the Cambridge 302/303 but I don't want a task declared through to the 302/303 with a different name from see you mobile. Does anyone know a good solution to this one?
Use ConnectMe.


--
WojtuÅ›

[Pete Startup[_2_]]

For the flights that matter? - hand written declaration every time. Would
you trust your diamonds to gadgets?

At 05:58 07 May 2013, Wade wrote:
>If see you mobile was registered to someone else and they are letting you
>borrow their PDA for a badge flight, the name attached to the
registration
>is what gets declared to any other devices linked up (Cambridge 302 for
>example).
>
>I can enter a separate pilot in the Cambridge 302/303 but I don't want a
>task declared through to the 302/303 with a different name from see you
>mobile. Does anyone know a good solution to this one?
>
>Thanks
>Wade
>

[Paul Remde]

Hi Pete,

I don't use written declarations. I've never had a problem in 15 years with
electronic declarations for many badge and record flights. If it is done
correctly it is extremely reliable.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
________________________________

"Pete Startup" wrote in message
...

For the flights that matter? - hand written declaration every time. Would
you trust your diamonds to gadgets?

At 05:58 07 May 2013, Wade wrote:
>If see you mobile was registered to someone else and they are letting you
>borrow their PDA for a badge flight, the name attached to the
registration
>is what gets declared to any other devices linked up (Cambridge 302 for
>example).
>
>I can enter a separate pilot in the Cambridge 302/303 but I don't want a
>task declared through to the 302/303 with a different name from see you
>mobile. Does anyone know a good solution to this one?
>
>Thanks
>Wade
>

[John Galloway[_1_]]

>At 05:58 07 May 2013, Wade wrote:
>>If see you mobile was registered to someone else and they
are letting you
>>borrow their PDA for a badge flight, the name attached to
the
>registration
>>is what gets declared to any other devices linked up
(Cambridge 302 for
>>example).
>>
>>I can enter a separate pilot in the Cambridge 302/303 but I
don't want a
>>task declared through to the 302/303 with a different name
from see you
>>mobile. Does anyone know a good solution to this one?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Wade
>>
>
I'm going to stick my neck out and say that your initial premise
that it is the registered SYM name that is sent to the logger with
the declaration is wrong. Copied and pasted from the SYM
manual section on task declaration:

"After the communication is established, the following data is
transferred automatically
to the flight recorder:
Declared task in SeeYou Mobile which you have entered in
Menu > Task
Glider information which is entered in Menu > Settings > Polar
(glider type) and Menu > Settings > Log
(glider registration)
Pilot name as entered in Menu > Settings > Log"

So, if the manual is correct, all you should have to do is alter
the pilot details to your own in Menu/Settings/Log for your
badge flight and remember to change them back to the owner's
when you return the PDA.

John Galloway

[John Galloway[_1_]]

At 16:20 07 May 2013, John Galloway wrote:
>>At 05:58 07 May 2013, Wade wrote:
>>>If see you mobile was registered to someone else and they
>are letting you
>>>borrow their PDA for a badge flight, the name attached to
>the
>>registration
>>>is what gets declared to any other devices linked up
>(Cambridge 302 for
>>>example).
>>>
>>>I can enter a separate pilot in the Cambridge 302/303 but I
>don't want a
>>>task declared through to the 302/303 with a different name
>from see you
>>>mobile. Does anyone know a good solution to this one?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>Wade
>>>
My previous posting got truncated as it crossed the Atlantic so
here is the complete version.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that your initial premise
that it is the registered SYM name that is sent to the logger with
the declaration is wrong. Copied and pasted from the SYM
manual section on task declaration:


"After the communication is established, the following data is
transfered automatically
to the flight recorder:

Declared task in SeeYou Mobile which you have entered in
Menu/Task

Glider information which is entered in Menu/Settings/Polar
(glider type) and Menu/Settings/Log (glider registration)

Pilot name as entered in Menu > Settings > Log"

So all you should need to do is enter your own information as
described before declaring the task and remember to change it
back to the owner's before returning the PDA to him.

John Galloway

[GC[_2_]]

On 8/05/2013 01:48, Paul Remde wrote:
> Hi Pete,
>
> I don't use written declarations. I've never had a problem in 15 years
> with electronic declarations for many badge and record flights. If it
> is done correctly it is extremely reliable.

But how reliable is it if NOT 'done correctly'? How easy is it to know
it's been 'done correctly' electronically compared to a written
declaration?. Written ones are inherently 'extremely reliable' for
those of us who aren't software gurus.

If software was reliable, straightforward and predictable, the number of
posts on r.a.s. would be halved.

GC


>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul Remde
> ________________________________
>
> "Pete Startup" wrote in message
> ...
>
> For the flights that matter? - hand written declaration every time. Would
> you trust your diamonds to gadgets?
>
> At 05:58 07 May 2013, Wade wrote:
>> If see you mobile was registered to someone else and they are letting you
>> borrow their PDA for a badge flight, the name attached to the
> registration
>> is what gets declared to any other devices linked up (Cambridge 302 for
>> example).
>>
>> I can enter a separate pilot in the Cambridge 302/303 but I don't want a
>> task declared through to the 302/303 with a different name from see you
>> mobile. Does anyone know a good solution to this one?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Wade
>>
>

[Roy Clark, \B6\]

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 7:09:54 PM UTC-7, GC wrote:
But how reliable is it if NOT 'done correctly'? How easy is it to know

it's been 'done correctly' electronically compared to a written

declaration?. Written ones are inherently 'extremely reliable' for

those of us who aren't software gurus.


If software was reliable, straightforward and predictable, the number of

posts on r.a.s. would be halved.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On June 16, 2004, this happened to me - only time since 1996.

I was not aware of any problem until my OO opened the trace.

Then, learned:

Declaration is NOT VALID!
Task: Triangle - (305.9km)
Task distance: 305.9km

Points:
1) Ephrata
2) Waterville
3) Davenport
4) Ephrata

All reached turn points rounded ok. Task Completed.
Distance: 305.9km, Duration: 04:16:53, Speed: 38.55kts

Sent to The Badge Lady anyway.
She asked if OO had verified a written declaration before take-off.
If done, Badge leg done ok; if not, sorry.

Flew for fun on June 20 and 21, then flew another 300+km triangle on the 22nd.

Oh, yeah, did a verified written declaration before that flight – and every Badge leg fight attempt since, including my next ones.

[Paul Remde]

Hi Roy,

Did you do the failed electronic task declaration before or after take-off?

Paul
_________________________

"Roy Clark, "B6"" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 7:09:54 PM UTC-7, GC wrote:
But how reliable is it if NOT 'done correctly'? How easy is it to know

it's been 'done correctly' electronically compared to a written

declaration?. Written ones are inherently 'extremely reliable' for

those of us who aren't software gurus.


If software was reliable, straightforward and predictable, the number of

posts on r.a.s. would be halved.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On June 16, 2004, this happened to me - only time since 1996.

I was not aware of any problem until my OO opened the trace.

Then, learned:

Declaration is NOT VALID!
Task: Triangle - (305.9km)
Task distance: 305.9km

Points:
1) Ephrata
2) Waterville
3) Davenport
4) Ephrata

All reached turn points rounded ok. Task Completed.
Distance: 305.9km, Duration: 04:16:53, Speed: 38.55kts

Sent to The Badge Lady anyway.
She asked if OO had verified a written declaration before take-off.
If done, Badge leg done ok; if not, sorry.

Flew for fun on June 20 and 21, then flew another 300+km triangle on the
22nd.

Oh, yeah, did a verified written declaration before that flight – and every
Badge leg fight attempt since, including my next ones.

[Wade]

As far as I know you cannot change the pilot name from the name that see you mobile is registered to. I will eventually buy my own copy of see you mobile but for right now I am a youngster who is very fortunate to have someone who is willing to let me borrow their airplane and instruments in that airplane to chase my first badge.

Thanks
Wade

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:20:23 AM UTC-7, John Galloway wrote:
> >At 05:58 07 May 2013, Wade wrote:
>
> >>If see you mobile was registered to someone else and they
>
> are letting you
>
> >>borrow their PDA for a badge flight, the name attached to
>
> the
>
> >registration
>
> >>is what gets declared to any other devices linked up
>
> (Cambridge 302 for
>
> >>example).
>
> >>
>
> >>I can enter a separate pilot in the Cambridge 302/303 but I
>
> don't want a
>
> >>task declared through to the 302/303 with a different name
>
> from see you
>
> >>mobile. Does anyone know a good solution to this one?
>
> >>
>
> >>Thanks
>
> >>Wade
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> I'm going to stick my neck out and say that your initial premise
>
> that it is the registered SYM name that is sent to the logger with
>
> the declaration is wrong. Copied and pasted from the SYM
>
> manual section on task declaration:
>
>
>
> "After the communication is established, the following data is
>
> transferred automatically
>
> to the flight recorder:
>
> Declared task in SeeYou Mobile which you have entered in
>
> Menu > Task
>
> Glider information which is entered in Menu > Settings > Polar
>
> (glider type) and Menu > Settings > Log
>
> (glider registration)
>
> Pilot name as entered in Menu > Settings > Log"
>
>
>
> So, if the manual is correct, all you should have to do is alter
>
> the pilot details to your own in Menu/Settings/Log for your
>
> badge flight and remember to change them back to the owner's
>
> when you return the PDA.
>
>
>
> John Galloway

[Nick Hill[_3_]]

On 09/05/2013 06:03, Wade wrote:
> As far as I know you cannot change the pilot name from the name that see you mobile is registered to.
>I will eventually buy my own copy of see you mobile but for right now I am a youngster who is very
> fortunate to have someone who is willing to let me borrow their
airplane and instruments in that airplane to chase my first badge.
>
> Thanks
> Wade
>

If you use ConnectMe I believe you can change the name. It uses
the same files as SYM on the PDA, just a few more steps to do
it this way.


--

Nick Hill

[John Galloway[_1_]]

Have you tried following the instructions in the manual to
change the pilot name, glider details and polar - then exit and
save the profile? My registered SYM is happy to accept Mickey
Mouse being named as the pilot - it just adds another name to
the drop down list in Menu/Settings/Log.


At 05:03 09 May 2013, Wade wrote:
>As far as I know you cannot change the pilot name from the
name that see
>yo=
>u mobile is registered to. I will eventually buy my own copy of
see you
>mob=
>ile but for right now I am a youngster who is very fortunate to
have
>someon=
>e who is willing to let me borrow their airplane and
instruments in that
>ai=
>rplane to chase my first badge.
>
>Thanks
>Wade
>
>On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:20:23 AM UTC-7, John Galloway
wrote:
>> >At 05:58 07 May 2013, Wade wrote:
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>
>

[Paul Remde]

Hi John,

Wade is correct. In some versions of SeeYou Mobile, for licensing reasons,
the pilot name field in the Log screen can't be changed from the name on the
license. That is done in versions that are licensed to a pilot name in
recent years. Unfortunately, in some parts of the world, many glider pilots
share their software licenses. This is Naviter's way of blocking that. It
makes sense to me. But it is a bummer in this situation.

Oudie owners don't have that issue because the license is tied to the serial
number of the Oudie.

Is there any chance Wade can get the glider owner to buy an Oudie? : ) It
would work fine for him then. If not, then I recommend sending an email to
Naviter explaining the situation. They may be able to help. Or, better
yet, post the question on their support forum.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
______________________________

"John Galloway" wrote in message
...

Have you tried following the instructions in the manual to
change the pilot name, glider details and polar - then exit and
save the profile? My registered SYM is happy to accept Mickey
Mouse being named as the pilot - it just adds another name to
the drop down list in Menu/Settings/Log.


At 05:03 09 May 2013, Wade wrote:
>As far as I know you cannot change the pilot name from the
name that see
>yo=
>u mobile is registered to. I will eventually buy my own copy of
see you
>mob=
>ile but for right now I am a youngster who is very fortunate to
have
>someon=
>e who is willing to let me borrow their airplane and
instruments in that
>ai=
>rplane to chase my first badge.
>
>Thanks
>Wade
>
>On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:20:23 AM UTC-7, John Galloway
wrote:
>> >At 05:58 07 May 2013, Wade wrote:
>>=20
>> >>If see you mobile was registered to someone else and
they=20
>>=20
>> are letting you
>>=20
>> >>borrow their PDA for a badge flight, the name attached
to=20
>>=20
>> the
>>=20
>> >registration
>>=20
>> >>is what gets declared to any other devices linked up=20
>>=20
>> (Cambridge 302 for
>>=20
>> >>example).
>>=20
>> >>
>>=20
>> >>I can enter a separate pilot in the Cambridge 302/303
but I=20
>>=20
>> don't want a
>>=20
>> >>task declared through to the 302/303 with a different
name=20
>>=20
>> from see you
>>=20
>> >>mobile. Does anyone know a good solution to this one?
>>=20
>> >>
>>=20
>> >>Thanks
>>=20
>> >>Wade
>>=20
>> >>=20
>>=20
>> >
>>=20
>> I'm going to stick my neck out and say that your initial
premise=20
>>=20
>> that it is the registered SYM name that is sent to the logger
with=20
>>=20
>> the declaration is wrong. Copied and pasted from the
SYM=20
>>=20
>> manual section on task declaration:
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> "After the communication is established, the following data
is=20
>>=20
>> transferred automatically
>>=20
>> to the flight recorder:
>>=20
>> Declared task in SeeYou Mobile which you have entered
in=20
>>=20
>> Menu > Task
>>=20
>> Glider information which is entered in Menu > Settings >
Polar=20
>>=20
>> (glider type) and Menu > Settings > Log
>>=20
>> (glider registration)
>>=20
>> Pilot name as entered in Menu > Settings > Log"
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> So, if the manual is correct, all you should have to do is
alter=20
>>=20
>> the pilot details to your own in Menu/Settings/Log for
your=20
>>=20
>> badge flight and remember to change them back to the
owner's=20
>>=20
>> when you return the PDA.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> John Galloway
>
>

[Tony[_5_]]

On Thursday, May 9, 2013 6:32:59 AM UTC-5, Paul Remde wrote:
> Hi John, Wade is correct. In some versions of SeeYou Mobile, for licensing reasons, the pilot name field in the Log screen can't be changed from the name on the license. That is done in versions that are licensed to a pilot name in recent years. Unfortunately, in some parts of the world, many glider pilots share their software licenses. This is Naviter's way of blocking that. It makes sense to me. But it is a bummer in this situation. Oudie owners don't have that issue because the license is tied to the serial number of the Oudie. Is there any chance Wade can get the glider owner to buy an Oudie? : ) It would work fine for him then. If not, then I recommend sending an email to Naviter explaining the situation. They may be able to help. Or, better yet, post the question on their support forum. Best Regards, Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc. ______________________________ "John Galloway" wrote in message ... Have you tried following the instructions in the manual to change the pilot name, glider details and polar - then exit and save the profile? My registered SYM is happy to accept Mickey Mouse being named as the pilot - it just adds another name to the drop down list in Menu/Settings/Log. At 05:03 09 May 2013, Wade wrote: >As far as I know you cannot change the pilot name from the name that see >yo= >u mobile is registered to. I will eventually buy my own copy of see you >mob= >ile but for right now I am a youngster who is very fortunate to have >someon= >e who is willing to let me borrow their airplane and instruments in that >ai= >rplane to chase my first badge. > >Thanks >Wade > >On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:20:23 AM UTC-7, John Galloway wrote: >> >At 05:58 07 May 2013, Wade wrote: >>=20 >> >>If see you mobile was registered to someone else and they=20 >>=20 >> are letting you >>=20 >> >>borrow their PDA for a badge flight, the name attached to=20 >>=20 >> the >>=20 >> >registration >>=20 >> >>is what gets declared to any other devices linked up=20 >>=20 >> (Cambridge 302 for >>=20 >> >>example). >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >>I can enter a separate pilot in the Cambridge 302/303 but I=20 >>=20 >> don't want a >>=20 >> >>task declared through to the 302/303 with a different name=20 >>=20 >> from see you >>=20 >> >>mobile. Does anyone know a good solution to this one? >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >>Thanks >>=20 >> >>Wade >>=20 >> >>=20 >>=20 >> > >>=20 >> I'm going to stick my neck out and say that your initial premise=20 >>=20 >> that it is the registered SYM name that is sent to the logger with=20 >>=20 >> the declaration is wrong. Copied and pasted from the SYM=20 >>=20 >> manual section on task declaration: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> "After the communication is established, the following data is=20 >>=20 >> transferred automatically >>=20 >> to the flight recorder: >>=20 >> Declared task in SeeYou Mobile which you have entered in=20 >>=20 >> Menu > Task >>=20 >> Glider information which is entered in Menu > Settings > Polar=20 >>=20 >> (glider type) and Menu > Settings > Log >>=20 >> (glider registration) >>=20 >> Pilot name as entered in Menu > Settings > Log" >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> So, if the manual is correct, all you should have to do is alter=20 >>=20 >> the pilot details to your own in Menu/Settings/Log for your=20 >>=20 >> badge flight and remember to change them back to the owner's=20 >>=20 >> when you return the PDA. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> John Galloway > >

wow in that case i say "LONG LIVE THE WRITTEN DECLARATION"

I always do a written declaration. Belts and Suspenders. There is a reason the SSA Badge and Record guide recommends a written declaration, they have had to reject to many claims based on messed up electronic declarations! I understand that the Sporting Code has been updated to provide some relief, in that the OO can now certify that the person flying was really the person flying even if the declaration says otherwise.