is there a kitplane like a DA-20 Katana?

[Steve F.]

Hi All,

I've scoured the web and magazines looking for a kitplane (that's
available in the U.S.) that has the flying characteristics, AND
cockpit visibility equal to or better than the Diamond DA-20 C1. For
those of you that may not know, the C1 is equipped with a fuel
injected 125 hp conti. The characteristics are low fuel burn, 135kt
cruise, gentle mush/stall at 37 kts with flaps, and VERY fun to fly.

Anyone?

[Nathan Young]

On 14 Feb 2004 08:00:30 -0800, (Steve F.) wrote:

>Hi All,
>
> I've scoured the web and magazines looking for a kitplane (that's
>available in the U.S.) that has the flying characteristics, AND
>cockpit visibility equal to or better than the Diamond DA-20 C1. For
>those of you that may not know, the C1 is equipped with a fuel
>injected 125 hp conti. The characteristics are low fuel burn, 135kt
>cruise, gentle mush/stall at 37 kts with flaps, and VERY fun to fly.

How about the Europa?

http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Aircraft/Aircraft.htm

-Nathan

[Simon Smith]

http://www.europa-aircraft.com/

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"Steve F." > wrote in message
om...
> Hi All,
>
> I've scoured the web and magazines looking for a kitplane (that's
> available in the U.S.) that has the flying characteristics, AND
> cockpit visibility equal to or better than the Diamond DA-20 C1. For
> those of you that may not know, the C1 is equipped with a fuel
> injected 125 hp conti. The characteristics are low fuel burn, 135kt
> cruise, gentle mush/stall at 37 kts with flaps, and VERY fun to fly.
>
> Anyone?

[Dude]

The Europa is a cool kit, but the ergonomics are much different, and the
visibility is not quite as good, especially down. If you are compfortable
in it though, there are a lot of other huge plusses (trailer option, glider
wings, engine choices, fuel economy).

Its hard to narrow down based on what you said you liked. If its just
visibility, you are looking for, then you might want to look at a tandem
plane, especially the pusher type.

Another thing to look for would be the 85hp rotax version of the Katana.
These things can be had for nearly the price of a homebuilt. They are not
as fast though.

If you want glass, then you could look at the new lancair fiberglass kit, or
even a glassair, but these are not stable cruisers like the Katana trainer.

[Rich S.]

"Steve F." > wrote in message
om...
> Hi All,
>
> I've scoured the web and magazines looking for a kitplane (that's
> available in the U.S.) that has the flying characteristics, AND
> cockpit visibility equal to or better than the Diamond DA-20 C1. For
> those of you that may not know, the C1 is equipped with a fuel
> injected 125 hp conti. The characteristics are low fuel burn, 135kt
> cruise, gentle mush/stall at 37 kts with flaps, and VERY fun to fly.
>
> Anyone?

http://www.harbornet.com/folks/shankland/cp323a.jpg is a close match to your
specs.. Build it light and get the bank loan for the new Continental. Only
real problem is scrounging all the parts to make a "kit". Might have to
slightly modify the airfoil to get the stall you want. The FTF (Fun to Fly)
coefficient is all there, though.

Rich S.

[Evan Carew]

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Simon,

Naw, flown both the Europa & the DA-20. The DA-20 is clearly better
visibility wise. In the other hand, all planes of the "egg on a stick"
design have similar performance characteristics, that is speed for HP
and that signature low drag coefficient.

Evan

Simon Smith wrote:
> http://www.europa-aircraft.com/
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[Evan Carew]

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Steve,

You might also look at the KIS TR-1 2 or 4 place kit. Now owned by Pulsair.

Evan
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Look at the Atec Zephyr. www.AtecAviation.com
It looks exactly like a Katana but the performance figures are much better
and the endurance and fuel consumption are great.
It is not available yet as a kit, only as a completed aircraft, but should
qualify for the proposed LSA. The first 3 to be imported to the US are
almost ready for delivery.

"Steve F." > wrote in message
om...
> Hi All,
>
> I've scoured the web and magazines looking for a kitplane (that's
> available in the U.S.) that has the flying characteristics, AND
> cockpit visibility equal to or better than the Diamond DA-20 C1. For
> those of you that may not know, the C1 is equipped with a fuel
> injected 125 hp conti. The characteristics are low fuel burn, 135kt
> cruise, gentle mush/stall at 37 kts with flaps, and VERY fun to fly.
>
> Anyone?

[Toks Desalu]

According to website, they have kit version.
What do you mean that it is not available?


> wrote in message
.. .
> Look at the Atec Zephyr. www.AtecAviation.com
> It looks exactly like a Katana but the performance figures are much better
> and the endurance and fuel consumption are great.
> It is not available yet as a kit, only as a completed aircraft, but should
> qualify for the proposed LSA. The first 3 to be imported to the US are
> almost ready for delivery.
>
> "Steve F." > wrote in message
> om...
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've scoured the web and magazines looking for a kitplane (that's
> > available in the U.S.) that has the flying characteristics, AND
> > cockpit visibility equal to or better than the Diamond DA-20 C1. For
> > those of you that may not know, the C1 is equipped with a fuel
> > injected 125 hp conti. The characteristics are low fuel burn, 135kt
> > cruise, gentle mush/stall at 37 kts with flaps, and VERY fun to fly.
> >
> > Anyone?
>
>

Kits are not available yet in the US as they have not been approved under
the 51% rule.
Also the factory is not to keen on selling kits as they have a PERFECT
safety record
with over 115 sold world wide because all have been factory built, to date,
where they
can maintain quality control.

"Toks Desalu" > wrote in message
news:iuq2c.189473$jk2.675839@attbi_s53...
> According to website, they have kit version.
> What do you mean that it is not available?
>
>
> > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Look at the Atec Zephyr. www.AtecAviation.com
> > It looks exactly like a Katana but the performance figures are much
better
> > and the endurance and fuel consumption are great.
> > It is not available yet as a kit, only as a completed aircraft, but
should
> > qualify for the proposed LSA. The first 3 to be imported to the US are
> > almost ready for delivery.
> >
> > "Steve F." > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I've scoured the web and magazines looking for a kitplane (that's
> > > available in the U.S.) that has the flying characteristics, AND
> > > cockpit visibility equal to or better than the Diamond DA-20 C1. For
> > > those of you that may not know, the C1 is equipped with a fuel
> > > injected 125 hp conti. The characteristics are low fuel burn, 135kt
> > > cruise, gentle mush/stall at 37 kts with flaps, and VERY fun to fly.
> > >
> > > Anyone?
> >
> >
>
>

[DJFawcett26]

> as they have not been approved under
>the 51% rule.

..........As is a large number of the kits sold in the United States.

[Pete]

If the conti is not a requirement and you are willing to 'settle' for a
Rotax, then take a gander at the Europa
www.europa-aircraft.com

It's a beautifully harmonoized aircraft (unlike the heavy-aileron/light
elevator feel of the katana), with more payload and longer legs than the
Katana.

Ya gotta fly one to appreciate the aero & mech design effort which has gone
into it.

FWIW/YMMV

Cheers,
Pete
Europa builder
(both long and short wings)


> wrote in message
.. .
> Look at the Atec Zephyr. www.AtecAviation.com
> It looks exactly like a Katana but the performance figures are much better
> and the endurance and fuel consumption are great.
> It is not available yet as a kit, only as a completed aircraft, but should
> qualify for the proposed LSA. The first 3 to be imported to the US are
> almost ready for delivery.
>
> "Steve F." > wrote in message
> om...
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've scoured the web and magazines looking for a kitplane (that's
> > available in the U.S.) that has the flying characteristics, AND
> > cockpit visibility equal to or better than the Diamond DA-20 C1. For
> > those of you that may not know, the C1 is equipped with a fuel
> > injected 125 hp conti. The characteristics are low fuel burn, 135kt
> > cruise, gentle mush/stall at 37 kts with flaps, and VERY fun to fly.
> >
> > Anyone?
>
>