Brave Sir Robin

[Gliderphud]

Bravely bold Sir Robin
Rode forth from Camelot
He was not afraid to die
Oh Brave Sir Robin
He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways
Brave, Brave, Brave Brave Sir Robin.

He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp
Or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken
To have his kneecaps split and his body burned away
And his limbs all hacked and mangled, Brave Sir Robin.

His head smashed in and his heart cut out
And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged
And his nostrils raped and his bottom burned up
And his penis...(made to stop by Robin)

Brave Sir Robin ran away.
Bravely ran away, away.
When danger rears its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
He left his trusty steed, Ventus, on a mountain.
Yes Brave Sir Robin turned about
He gallantly chickened out.

Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat.
Oh bravest of the brave, Sir Robin.

[[email protected]]

On Monday, June 3, 2013 4:22:49 AM UTC-4, Gliderphud wrote:
> Bravely bold Sir Robin
>
> Rode forth from Camelot
>
> He was not afraid to die
>
> Oh Brave Sir Robin
>
> He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways
>
> Brave, Brave, Brave Brave Sir Robin.
>
>
>
> He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp
>
> Or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken
>
> To have his kneecaps split and his body burned away
>
> And his limbs all hacked and mangled, Brave Sir Robin.
>
>
>
> His head smashed in and his heart cut out
>
> And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged
>
> And his nostrils raped and his bottom burned up
>
> And his penis...(made to stop by Robin)
>
>
>
> Brave Sir Robin ran away.
>
> Bravely ran away, away.
>
> When danger rears its ugly head
>
> He bravely turned his tail and fled.
>
> He left his trusty steed, Ventus, on a mountain.
>
> Yes Brave Sir Robin turned about
>
> He gallantly chickened out.
>
>
>
> Bravely taking to his feet
>
> He beat a very brave retreat.
>
> Oh bravest of the brave, Sir Robin.

too soon

[Dan Marotta]

Huh?


> wrote in message
...
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 4:22:49 AM UTC-4, Gliderphud wrote:
>> Bravely bold Sir Robin
>>
>> Rode forth from Camelot
>>
>> He was not afraid to die
>>
>> Oh Brave Sir Robin
>>
>> He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways
>>
>> Brave, Brave, Brave Brave Sir Robin.
>>
>>
>>
>> He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp
>>
>> Or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken
>>
>> To have his kneecaps split and his body burned away
>>
>> And his limbs all hacked and mangled, Brave Sir Robin.
>>
>>
>>
>> His head smashed in and his heart cut out
>>
>> And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged
>>
>> And his nostrils raped and his bottom burned up
>>
>> And his penis...(made to stop by Robin)
>>
>>
>>
>> Brave Sir Robin ran away.
>>
>> Bravely ran away, away.
>>
>> When danger rears its ugly head
>>
>> He bravely turned his tail and fled.
>>
>> He left his trusty steed, Ventus, on a mountain.
>>
>> Yes Brave Sir Robin turned about
>>
>> He gallantly chickened out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bravely taking to his feet
>>
>> He beat a very brave retreat.
>>
>> Oh bravest of the brave, Sir Robin.
>
> too soon

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On Monday, June 3, 2013 9:29:04 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Huh?

Based on the line "He left his trusty steed, Ventus, on a mountain", I would guess he was talking about http://soaringcafe.com/2013/06/the-end-of-the-road-for-ta/

[[email protected]]

While this first post is pretty mean-spirited, I have been shocked that no one has been talking about this. A very widely known glider pilot crashes at the top of a mountain and walks away is very big news indeed. Why the radio silence?

With his posting on soaring cafe I don't believe it is too soon to start talking about it now...he lived!!! I am thrilled to hear Frank is ok. When I heard from a friend down at the event about it right after it happened and then knowing that Frank was still up on the mountain - I actually got a little emotional thinking a fellow pilot was possibly in harm's way.

There is a lot to be learned by this incident and look forward to getting more info to hopefully help the rest of us be safer flying around rocks. Glad you are ok Frank.

Bruno - B4

[Ron Gleason]

On Monday, 3 June 2013 09:49:47 UTC-6, wrote:
> While this first post is pretty mean-spirited, I have been shocked that no one has been talking about this. A very widely known glider pilot crashes at the top of a mountain and walks away is very big news indeed. Why the radio silence?
>
>
>
> With his posting on soaring cafe I don't believe it is too soon to start talking about it now...he lived!!! I am thrilled to hear Frank is ok. When I heard from a friend down at the event about it right after it happened and then knowing that Frank was still up on the mountain - I actually got a little emotional thinking a fellow pilot was possibly in harm's way.
>
>
>
> There is a lot to be learned by this incident and look forward to getting more info to hopefully help the rest of us be safer flying around rocks. Glad you are ok Frank.
>
>
>
> Bruno - B4

Bruno, with all due respect there is nothing that can discussed at this point on this forum.

There are only a few, maybe only one, people that has the facts so any discussion on this forum is pure speculation.

It appears that the SPOT trace is no longer there, may have it set to only keep 24 hours worth of data.

It is up to the PIC to report and file appropriate reports to the appropriate authorities. I can find no NTSB or FAA entries online.

I would not expect the contest organizers to weigh in here or on the SSA site, it is not their responsibility.

Yes it is great hear that Frank survived but lets wait for details and not speculate.

Ron Gleason

[[email protected]]

Track archive, including TA final track, is still available on SSA racing page at http://www.ssa.org/SailplaneTracker/default.asp?id=2215&day=2013-6-1


On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:32:23 AM UTC-5, Ron Gleason wrote:
> On Monday, 3 June 2013 09:49:47 UTC-6, wrote:
>
> > While this first post is pretty mean-spirited, I have been shocked that no one has been talking about this. A very widely known glider pilot crashes at the top of a mountain and walks away is very big news indeed. Why the radio silence?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > With his posting on soaring cafe I don't believe it is too soon to start talking about it now...he lived!!! I am thrilled to hear Frank is ok. When I heard from a friend down at the event about it right after it happened and then knowing that Frank was still up on the mountain - I actually got a little emotional thinking a fellow pilot was possibly in harm's way.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
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> > There is a lot to be learned by this incident and look forward to getting more info to hopefully help the rest of us be safer flying around rocks. Glad you are ok Frank.
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Bruno - B4
>
>
>
> Bruno, with all due respect there is nothing that can discussed at this point on this forum.
>
>
>
> There are only a few, maybe only one, people that has the facts so any discussion on this forum is pure speculation.
>
>
>
> It appears that the SPOT trace is no longer there, may have it set to only keep 24 hours worth of data.
>
>
>
> It is up to the PIC to report and file appropriate reports to the appropriate authorities. I can find no NTSB or FAA entries online.
>
>
>
> I would not expect the contest organizers to weigh in here or on the SSA site, it is not their responsibility.
>
>
>
> Yes it is great hear that Frank survived but lets wait for details and not speculate.
>
>
>
> Ron Gleason

[[email protected]]

On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:49:47 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> While this first post is pretty mean-spirited, I have been shocked that no one has been talking about this. A very widely known glider pilot crashes at the top of a mountain and walks away is very big news indeed. Why the radio silence?
>
>
>
> With his posting on soaring cafe I don't believe it is too soon to start talking about it now...he lived!!! I am thrilled to hear Frank is ok. When I heard from a friend down at the event about it right after it happened and then knowing that Frank was still up on the mountain - I actually got a little emotional thinking a fellow pilot was possibly in harm's way.
>
>
>
> There is a lot to be learned by this incident and look forward to getting more info to hopefully help the rest of us be safer flying around rocks. Glad you are ok Frank.
>
>
>
> Bruno - B4

i too think the original post was in EXTREMELY poor taste, and am releaved that frank is ok. i myself was worried about the guy i have always consider to be friendly, nice, and willing to help.

if frank is wiling to write about the events, he is free to do so, but in the meantime, i think we should all simply say thank god he wasn't hurt and leave the discussion at that.

[Darryl Ramm]

On Monday, June 3, 2013 10:15:43 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:49:47 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>
> > While this first post is pretty mean-spirited, I have been shocked that no one has been talking about this. A very widely known glider pilot crashes at the top of a mountain and walks away is very big news indeed. Why the radio silence?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > With his posting on soaring cafe I don't believe it is too soon to start talking about it now...he lived!!! I am thrilled to hear Frank is ok. When I heard from a friend down at the event about it right after it happened and then knowing that Frank was still up on the mountain - I actually got a little emotional thinking a fellow pilot was possibly in harm's way.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > There is a lot to be learned by this incident and look forward to getting more info to hopefully help the rest of us be safer flying around rocks. Glad you are ok Frank.
>
> >
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> >
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> >
>
> > Bruno - B4
>
>
>
> i too think the original post was in EXTREMELY poor taste, and am releaved that frank is ok. i myself was worried about the guy i have always consider to be friendly, nice, and willing to help.
>
>
>
> if frank is wiling to write about the events, he is free to do so, but in the meantime, i think we should all simply say thank god he wasn't hurt and leave the discussion at that.

Yep in bad taste, immature and just stupid.

The only thing that matters right now is that Frank is OK.

Darryl

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There has been a series of excellent pilots running in to mountains in US contest soaring over the last 10 years. Anyone who takes this lightly or disparagingly in an I'm-such-a-great-pilot I-would-never-do-that sort of way is asking to be next.

Best wishes to Frank the friend for a speedy recovery, to Frank the writer for an illuminating soaring cafe' post to help keep the rest of us out of trouble, and to Frank the pilot for a return to the skies.

John Cochrane

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On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:49:47 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> While this first post is pretty mean-spirited, I have been shocked that no one has been talking about this. A very widely known glider pilot crashes at the top of a mountain and walks away is very big news indeed. Why the radio silence? With his posting on soaring cafe I don't believe it is too soon to start talking about it now...he lived!!! I am thrilled to hear Frank is ok. When I heard from a friend down at the event about it right after it happened and then knowing that Frank was still up on the mountain - I actually got a little emotional thinking a fellow pilot was possibly in harm's way. There is a lot to be learned by this incident and look forward to getting more info to hopefully help the rest of us be safer flying around rocks.. Glad you are ok Frank. Bruno - B4

I kind of disagree a bit with my friend Bruno. First, there is no time sensitive information here, other than the curiousity factor. Second, it is extremely unlikely that there will be ANY new lessons learned.
Part of the healing process is to talk about what happened, but definitely not in a public forum environment. Hopefully Frank will get to sit down with a friend or 2 and talk it out so he can get on with the healing.
Let's leave him alone. When he's ready to tell his story, I have no doubt he will do so in a good manner.
I've been in his shoes once and been the listener more timesthan I want to count, so I think I know of what I speak.
Patience Folks
UH

[Tim Taylor]

On Monday, June 3, 2013 2:36:22 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:49:47 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>
> > While this first post is pretty mean-spirited, I have been shocked that no one has been talking about this. A very widely known glider pilot crashes at the top of a mountain and walks away is very big news indeed. Why the radio silence? With his posting on soaring cafe I don't believe it is too soon to start talking about it now...he lived!!! I am thrilled to hear Frank is ok. When I heard from a friend down at the event about it right after it happened and then knowing that Frank was still up on the mountain - I actually got a little emotional thinking a fellow pilot was possibly in harm's way. There is a lot to be learned by this incident and look forward to getting more info to hopefully help the rest of us be safer flying around rocks. Glad you are ok Frank. Bruno - B4
>
>
>
> I kind of disagree a bit with my friend Bruno. First, there is no time sensitive information here, other than the curiousity factor. Second, it is extremely unlikely that there will be ANY new lessons learned.
>
> Part of the healing process is to talk about what happened, but definitely not in a public forum environment. Hopefully Frank will get to sit down with a friend or 2 and talk it out so he can get on with the healing.
>
> Let's leave him alone. When he's ready to tell his story, I have no doubt he will do so in a good manner.
>
> I've been in his shoes once and been the listener more timesthan I want to count, so I think I know of what I speak.
>
> Patience Folks
>
> UH

UH good advice. I hope Frank is home and has some quiet time to relax. I don't think Bruno's post was so much about needing to discuss the accident now as it was about the 24 hours that many of us waited to hear if Frank was OK. Soaring is a real time sport and many of us saw the help call on SPOT and saw the location and it raised concern in most of us about his safety. We watched RAS for the next 24 hours for an update on his condition.

I wish Frank the best and hope he will come out west and do duel or team flying with some mountain experts to help the healing process. He is always welcome to come fly with me in Utah when he is ready to flying western mountains again.

TT

[Tim Taylor]

On Monday, June 3, 2013 2:36:22 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:49:47 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>
> > While this first post is pretty mean-spirited, I have been shocked that no one has been talking about this. A very widely known glider pilot crashes at the top of a mountain and walks away is very big news indeed. Why the radio silence? With his posting on soaring cafe I don't believe it is too soon to start talking about it now...he lived!!! I am thrilled to hear Frank is ok. When I heard from a friend down at the event about it right after it happened and then knowing that Frank was still up on the mountain - I actually got a little emotional thinking a fellow pilot was possibly in harm's way. There is a lot to be learned by this incident and look forward to getting more info to hopefully help the rest of us be safer flying around rocks. Glad you are ok Frank. Bruno - B4
>
>
>
> I kind of disagree a bit with my friend Bruno. First, there is no time sensitive information here, other than the curiousity factor. Second, it is extremely unlikely that there will be ANY new lessons learned.
>
> Part of the healing process is to talk about what happened, but definitely not in a public forum environment. Hopefully Frank will get to sit down with a friend or 2 and talk it out so he can get on with the healing.
>
> Let's leave him alone. When he's ready to tell his story, I have no doubt he will do so in a good manner.
>
> I've been in his shoes once and been the listener more timesthan I want to count, so I think I know of what I speak.
>
> Patience Folks
>
> UH

UH good advice. I hope Frank is home and has some quiet time to relax. I don't think Bruno's post was so much about needing to discuss the accident now as it was about the 24 hours that many of us waited to hear if Frank was OK. Soaring is a real time sport and many of us saw the help call on SPOT and saw the location and it raised concerns about his safety. We watched RAS for the next 24 hours for an update on his condition.

I wish Frank the best and hope he will come out west and do duel or team flying with some mountain experts to help the healing process. He is always welcome to come fly with me in Utah when he is ready to try western mountains again.

TT

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> I kind of disagree a bit with my friend Bruno. First, there is no time sensitive information here, other than the curiousity factor. Second, it is extremely unlikely that there will be ANY new lessons learned.
>
> Part of the healing process is to talk about what happened, but definitely not in a public forum environment. Hopefully Frank will get to sit down with a friend or 2 and talk it out so he can get on with the healing.
>
> Let's leave him alone. When he's ready to tell his story, I have no doubt he will do so in a good manner.
>
> I've been in his shoes once and been the listener more timesthan I want to count, so I think I know of what I speak.
>
> Patience Folks
>
> UH

I completely agree with you actually on this one Hank. What you read in my post is my emotions on my sleeve at the moment. We are all so close friends and acquaintances in our rather small group of active soaring pilots that when one of them hits a mountain it is hard not to REALLY care and want to know more. We care about each other. Patience is a good now that we know Frank is ok.

John, you were right on once again with your thoughts. Thanks.

Bruno - B4

[Sean F (F2)]

First post? Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable.

Wow. Sitting here with a top Jr pilot who informed me of this thread. Yes a 19 year old read this and disgusted by it. I seriously thought he was kidding. I have never seen something so blatantly disrespectful. Who wrote this post?

This is shameful. To make fun of a near fatal accident... WTF.

[Andy[_1_]]

On Jun 4, 4:55*pm, "Sean F (F2)" > wrote:
> First post? *Unacceptable. *Absolutely unacceptable.
>
> Wow. *Sitting here with a top Jr pilot who informed me of this thread. *Yes a 19 year old read this and disgusted by it. *I seriously thought he was kidding. *I have never seen something so blatantly disrespectful. *Who wrote this post?
>
> This is shameful. *To make fun of a near fatal accident... *WTF.

Maybe the 19 year old never heard of Monty Python. Did he understand
that all but the last 2 verses is a direct quote from a classic (for
Python fans) film script?

Andy

[and]

Y'all need to lighten up. Here are some processing pointers. http://blueskiesmag.com/2013/05/17/death-in-the-sport-of-life/

[Sean F (F2)]

I don't care if he was quoting Mr Rogers. No excuse for that personal attack on a fellow pilot who just had a major accident that easily could have cost him his life. Or any accident of any severity for that matter.

Congrats on your effort to defend this.

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 8:59:17 PM UTC-4, Andy wrote:
> On Jun 4, 4:55*pm, "Sean F (F2)" > wrote:
>
> > First post? *Unacceptable. *Absolutely unacceptable.
>
> >
>
> > Wow. *Sitting here with a top Jr pilot who informed me of this thread.. *Yes a 19 year old read this and disgusted by it. *I seriously thought he was kidding. *I have never seen something so blatantly disrespectful.. *Who wrote this post?
>
> >
>
> > This is shameful. *To make fun of a near fatal accident... *WTF.
>
>
>
> Maybe the 19 year old never heard of Monty Python. Did he understand
>
> that all but the last 2 verses is a direct quote from a classic (for
>
> Python fans) film script?
>
>
>
> Andy

Respectfully, a joke is only funny if both parties are laughing... This being the first mention of a near-fatal accident is insensitive...

Regards,
Daniel Sazhin

[Andy[_1_]]

On Jun 4, 7:17*pm, "Sean F (F2)" > wrote:
> I don't care if he was quoting Mr Rogers. *No excuse for that personal attack on a fellow pilot who just had a major accident that easily could have cost him his life. *Or any accident of any severity for that matter.
>
> Congrats on your effort to defend this.

I made no effort to defend anything. I offered no opinion on the
appropriateness of the original post.

Andy

[[email protected]]

Relevant. http://blueskiesmag.com/2013/05/17/death-in-the-sport-of-life/

[Sean F (F2)]

Sounds like a defense to me.

[kirk.stant]

I think if was hilarious.

TA apparently screwed up and planted his glider. And survived - which is great!

Anyone who doesn't appreciate the Monty Python analogy should go back to his 2-33 and sulk.

Kirk
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At R6 Moriarty. Didn't see TA at the pilots meeting.

[Tom K (ES)]

Unfortunately this seems like our forum somedays...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs

[Sean F (F2)]

Idiots.

[kirk.stant]

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 8:36:02 AM UTC-6, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> Idiots.

Pot Kettle Black

I suggest you get off your high horse and lighten up a bit. You weren't here.

But I'm not holding my breath!

Cheers,

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Having fun in Moriarty

[Sean F (F2)]

Ah, ok there Kurt.

I think I'll side with the people highly offended by the original post and those who have attempted to defend it, ok?

What was done here is shameful. It is absolutely disgusting to make fun or defend those making fun of a fellow pilots near fatal accident. If you disagree that this comment or defense of it was NOT DISGUSTING AND COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE, please respond with your full, real name, tail number, club and email address.

Sure hope I don't have to read a "poems" about any of you "comedians" accident one day... I would be just as disgusted.

Fly safe and please do yourselves a big favor actually think about what you are saying by defending these actions for a few minutes (without alcohol in your systems).

Good day!

[[email protected]]

When did glider pilots turn gay? Making fun of the dead and nearly dead is an integral part of every dangerous activity. This ain't table tennis.
On Friday, June 7, 2013 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> Ah, ok there Kurt.
>
>
>
> I think I'll side with the people highly offended by the original post and those who have attempted to defend it, ok?
>
>
>
> What was done here is shameful. It is absolutely disgusting to make fun or defend those making fun of a fellow pilots near fatal accident. If you disagree that this comment or defense of it was NOT DISGUSTING AND COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE, please respond with your full, real name, tail number, club and email address.
>
>
>
> Sure hope I don't have to read a "poems" about any of you "comedians" accident one day... I would be just as disgusted.
>
>
>
> Fly safe and please do yourselves a big favor actually think about what you are saying by defending these actions for a few minutes (without alcohol in your systems).
>
>
>
> Good day!

[kirk.stant]

On Friday, June 7, 2013 12:47:33 PM UTC-6, Sean F (F2) wrote:

blah blah blah

And by the way, it's Kirk, not Kurt.

If I pooch it and make a spectacle of myself, knock yourself out. You might even learn something. It sure won't bother me.

There sure are a lot of pompous a**es out there in RASland!

Kirk
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[Don Johnstone[_4_]]

At 18:47 07 June 2013, Sean F F2 wrote:
>Ah, ok there Kurt.
>
>I think I'll side with the people highly offended by the original post
and
>=
>those who have attempted to defend it, ok?
>
>What was done here is shameful. It is absolutely disgusting to make fun
or
>=
>defend those making fun of a fellow pilots near fatal accident. If you
>dis=
>agree that this comment or defense of it was NOT DISGUSTING AND
COMPLETELY
>=
>OUT OF LINE, please respond with your full, real name, tail number, club
>an=
>d email address.
>
>Sure hope I don't have to read a "poems" about any of you "comedians"
>accid=
>ent one day... I would be just as disgusted.
>
>Fly safe and please do yourselves a big favor actually think about what
>you=
> are saying by defending these actions for a few minutes (without alcohol
>i=
>n your systems).
>
>Good day!
>
Did they make it an offence in our rebellious and disobedient former colony
not have a sense of humour? (Note here I have used the English spelling of
humour, not the mythical Microsoft english spelling and have ignored the
spellcheck prompts to change it) One of the most popular songs played at
funerals over here is this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo
Walking around with your head up your @rse is not the way to enjoy life
Any landing you walk away from is a good one and gives plenty to laugh
about.

[Jim[_31_]]

On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 8:49:40 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 8:59:17 PM UTC-4, Andy wrote:
>
> > On Jun 4, 4:55*pm, "Sean F (F2)" > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > First post? *Unacceptable. *Absolutely unacceptable.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Wow. *Sitting here with a top Jr pilot who informed me of this thread. *Yes a 19 year old read this and disgusted by it. *I seriously thought he was kidding. *I have never seen something so blatantly disrespectful. *Who wrote this post?
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > This is shameful. *To make fun of a near fatal accident... *WTF.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Maybe the 19 year old never heard of Monty Python. Did he understand
>
> >
>
> > that all but the last 2 verses is a direct quote from a classic (for
>
> >
>
> > Python fans) film script?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Andy
>
>
>
> Respectfully, a joke is only funny if both parties are laughing... This being the first mention of a near-fatal accident is insensitive...
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Daniel Sazhin

What the Britts don't realise is that British "humour" is never funny...

-Jim

[Chris Rollings[_2_]]

At 08:00 08 June 2013, Don Johnstone wrote:
>At 18:47 07 June 2013, Sean F F2 wrote:
>>Ah, ok there Kurt.
>>
>>I think I'll side with the people highly offended by the original post
>and
>>=
>>those who have attempted to defend it, ok?
>>
>>What was done here is shameful. It is absolutely disgusting to make fun
>or
>>=
>>defend those making fun of a fellow pilots near fatal accident. If you
>>dis=
>>agree that this comment or defense of it was NOT DISGUSTING AND
>COMPLETELY
>>=
>>OUT OF LINE, please respond with your full, real name, tail number, club
>>an=
>>d email address.
>>
>>Sure hope I don't have to read a "poems" about any of you "comedians"
>>accid=
>>ent one day... I would be just as disgusted.
>>
>>Fly safe and please do yourselves a big favor actually think about what
>>you=
>> are saying by defending these actions for a few minutes (without
alcohol
>>i=
>>n your systems).
>>
>>Good day!
>>
>Did they make it an offence in our rebellious and disobedient former
colony
>not have a sense of humour? (Note here I have used the English spelling
of
>humour, not the mythical Microsoft english spelling and have ignored the
>spellcheck prompts to change it) One of the most popular songs played at
>funerals over here is this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo
>Walking around with your head up your @rse is not the way to enjoy life
>Any landing you walk away from is a good one and gives plenty to laugh
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I've seldom been in such complete agreement with Don. I didn't find the
original post particularly funny, but "I DISSAPPROVE OF WHAT YOU SAY BUT
WILL DEFEND TO THE DEATH YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT." (Wrongly attributed to
Voltaire). Freedom of speech must include the right to give offence or it
is not freedom.

[Dan Marotta]

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What the Britts don't realise is that British "humour" is never funny...

-Jim

Now wait just a damn minute! I love watching the "drag races"! (not really)
Some of you will know what I mean...

And as to "Freedom of Speech" - any more it only applies to the perpetually
offended class.

Dan

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If we're speaking of British humour and taking offence, one must look no further than the words of Mr. Stephen Fry.

September 19, 2012:

‘It’s now very common to hear people say, “I’m rather offended by that”, as if that gives them certain rights. It’s no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. “I’m offended by that.” Well, so ****ing what?’

God save the Queen. ;)

[Peter Purdie[_3_]]

It is traditional in all armed forces, (including the US ones) to express
robust lack of sympathy for any misfortune.

Try getting shot at sometime, it gives a sense of perspective.

And if you don't like the posts, don't read them - simple.

[[email protected]]

Of course he walked away. It was merely a flesh wound! Here's to a quick recovery for TA.

[Sean F (F2)]

On Saturday, June 8, 2013 3:02:44 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Of course he walked away. It was merely a flesh wound! Here's to a quick recovery for TA.

Hilarious.

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A toast to brave Sir Robin. After leaving his trusty steed in New Mexico, he returned to CD a weeklong contest in Ohio, and he is shown as $2k+ contributor to the Eagle fund (p. 47) and wrote a long Condor Corner article in the latest Soaring. I wonder if his anonymous critics are giving back quite so energetically

John Cochrane

[Evan Ludeman[_4_]]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 10:19:28 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> A toast to brave Sir Robin. After leaving his trusty steed in New Mexico, he returned to CD a weeklong contest in Ohio, and he is shown as $2k+ contributor to the Eagle fund (p. 47) and wrote a long Condor Corner article in the latest Soaring. I wonder if his anonymous critics are giving back quite so energetically
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Toasted!

-T8

[[email protected]]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 11:40:22 AM UTC-4, Evan Ludeman wrote:
> On Friday, June 14, 2013 10:19:28 AM UTC-4, wrote:
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Here Here!

Frank is the dude. i'll always help him rig his glider, or come get him on a land-out, but glider-phud? forget it. this sport is about friends and good people.

[Mike the Strike]

Leaving a sanctioned contest in such a hurry without informing the CD opened TA up for a bit of leg-pulling. One contestant joked that Frank was trying to get his igc files out of the state before the FAA showed up! (they are actually still on the mountain in what's left of his loggers.)

His sudden departure was perceived by many contestants (including me) as a bit rude and thoughtless, especially since The CD was up and around and only a couple of hundred yards away from TA when he left.

However, despite being a Monty Python fan, I thought that the original post was a bit on the mean side.

Mike

[[email protected]]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 12:16:56 PM UTC-5, Mike the Strike wrote:
> Leaving a sanctioned contest in such a hurry without informing the CD opened TA up for a bit of leg-pulling. One contestant joked that Frank was trying to get his igc files out of the state before the FAA showed up! (they are actually still on the mountain in what's left of his loggers.)
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Not knowing the facts, I won't comment on Frank. But in general this is more than leg pulling. It is much worse than rude to leave a contest without checking out with the CD, especially after a crash. Bad things have happened in this scenario. Yes, you're feeling sheepish. That does not excuse it.

John Cochrane

[Sean F (F2)]

BB! Could not agree more.

Frank is one of the absolute best people i have had the pleasure of getting to know in this amazing sport (there are many such people in soaring so being among the "best" has great meaning). He is not perfect (none of us are), but his exceptional enthusiasm, drive to compete and willingness to help others at a drop of the hat and at any time is the most consistent thing I have experienced in soaring or any other sport.

I cannot wait for Frank to get new glider and continue his quest to master contest soaring and help others along the sport he loves. I am confident that he will, and that he will be an even better pilot moving forward. The sport is far better with him in it, that is without question.

Any of us could have had such a accudent scenario play out on us in a mountain contest. These contests come with significant risks and require large amounts of specific experience. Something many if us flatlanders lack.

That said, only a VERY RARE and pathetic few are low enough to anonymously moch it. Cowards. Idiots.

I stand with Frank. A champion in many ways...

[kirk.stant]

F2, your cluelessness is breathtaking. No one has attacked TA - just yanked his chain a bit. If you can't tell the difference you are in real need of some socializing!

You, on the other hand, have leaped, frothing at the mouth, to verbally attack and threaten others.

I think we all know who the "idiot and moron" is - at least when he posts on RAS.

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[Sean F (F2)]

Kirk,

Come on. Seriously? This is still the defense? It was a joke? This was not a passive friendly jab. This was an horrible, nasty attack on Frank and everyone knows it. A guy who just nearly died in a extrememly serious mountain crash at a mountaib contest. Lets be grown ups and admit that. Lets admonish this behavior, not encourage it or excuse it.

Bottom line: someone took the time to write and post on RAS, anonymously of course, a "poem" mocking Franks near fatal accident. This is fact.

I for one continue to find it both disgusting and hateful, no matter what anyone on this group tries to claim to defend it. Probably a friend of yours...

Now, if this was what you say it was. Please disclose the real name of the person who anonymously posted this literary comedic masterpiece? What's his name? Where does he fly? Who is this comedian?

Sean

[kirk.stant]

On Monday, June 17, 2013 7:35:25 AM UTC-5, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> Kirk,
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> Come on. Seriously? This is still the defense? It was a joke? This was not a passive friendly jab. This was an horrible, nasty attack on Frank and everyone knows it. A guy who just nearly died in a extrememly serious mountain crash at a mountaib contest. Lets be grown ups and admit that. Lets admonish this behavior, not encourage it or excuse it.
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Yes, Sean, seriously. No one else is probably wasting any more time on this thread, and this is my last comment, but I completely disagree with you on just about EVERYTHING you have written in this thread.

So be it, I'm not going to change your mind, and you are definitely not going to change mine.

Cheers,

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[Mike the Strike]

"He's buggered off. Oh yes, he's scarpered."

If you don't speak British English, try Google translate.

Mike

[Sean F (F2)]

What's this persons name? Why are you not offering it to us if this was an innocent poem? What are you afraid of?

If you offer this authors info, maybe I will believe you. If not, I'm going to have to assume that this was a low, disgusting and horrible attack.

What is this anonomous thread originators REAL NAME?

What are you, chicken? Hmmm.

Sean
F2

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:10:23 AM UTC-5, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> What's this persons name? Why are you not offering it to us if this was an innocent poem? What are you afraid of? If you offer this authors info, maybe I will believe you. If not, I'm going to have to assume that this was a low, disgusting and horrible attack. What is this anonomous thread originators REAL NAME? What are you, chicken? Hmmm. Sean F2

Sean, I think you have made an incorrect assumption that Kirk knows who is. I was at Moriarty (had my own set of disasters getting there and while there). I honestly do not believe that Kirk knows who started it. He just enjoys seeing gyros spin, and if one is spun up, he will add some energy every now and then. If the above was not directed at Kirk, then I made just as incorrect an assumption as you did. See how easy it is to do?

Now, where was that "Flag for abuse" button when you needed it so this whole thing could have been quickly eliminated...

Steve
ZS and VJS

[Sean F (F2)]

So when you guys crash, Monty Python jokes are fair game.

Got it. Thanks.

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:59:00 AM UTC-5, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> So when you guys crash, Monty Python jokes are fair game. Got it. Thanks.

Never said that, Sean. I didn't like the initial post, either. Thought it was in very poor taste. It really stinks when something bad happens to someone close to you and others poke at them for it. I am right there with you. Frank and I have spent quite some time together at several contests. I consider him to be a very good friend, and I don't like seeing my friends kicked when they are down. I have been publicly kicked here about an incident I had. I did as Frank has done and left it alone. However, I know the person that kicked me. And I will politely not respond to anything he has to say or asks about, even if I could help.

One final comment. Where the heck did that "Flag for Abuse" button go? Three people do that and this thread is gone, right?

[kirk.stant]

On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:10:23 AM UTC-5, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> What's this persons name? Why are you not offering it to us if this was an innocent poem? What are you afraid of?
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Sean, does the word "anonymous" mean anything to you? Why do you assume I know who Gliderphud is? Who made you the keeper of RAS?

And your childish use of threats and name-calling is noted.

Arrggghh, you got me - I promised myself I wouldn't lower myself to your childish baiting. But it's a slow day and I haven't anything better to do right now.

AMF, as they used to say in the good old pre-internet days.

Kirk
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