From JP Stewart

[Gary Adams]

Received the following from JP Stewart, a great up-coming pilot.
'GB'
..........................................

Jp Stewart


An email I sent to BRSS, if anyone can help I would be very appreciative...
"BRSS,

As some of you may know, I have been approached by the US Jr team captain about joining the team and to do so I need to fly two contests this year. School allows just two contests this year and one of which is R6S in Ohio next week. I regret to write this on such short notice but due to a rule prohibiting use of club equipment at contests and the fact that I am registered as well as accommodations and flights having been booked for my Dad I am mentally and financially committed to going. Does anyone have a glider or know of one that I could take to the contest in Ohio next week? Any information/help is greatly appreciated.

JP Stewart
askforplanes at gmail dot com
540-774-0995"

[Sean F (F2)]

It is incredibly disappointing to see a talented young, motivated Jr pilot (should be treated like gold bullion by the US soaring community) treated like this by his own club. He is trying to gain enough experience to compete at an upcoming Jr Worlds. Then this...

From what I know, he has taken this "club" glider to the Caesar Creek camp last year, and to the Seminole Lake glider camp this March. All on his own dime.

The club "leadership?" has been telling him for many months that they are "working" on it in terms of getting him final approval all the while telling him it should not be a problem. Around 6 months I believe...

And now here we are, 2 days before the first practice day and they finally take the time to tell him "sorry kid, but we won't allow you to go." This after fully knowing that all arrangements (hotel, airfare, work schedules, registration, etc) have been made.

This is the kind of thing that makes a Jr Pilot take up another sport. Shameful.

Thanks for posting this Gary. This is the kind of thing that needs to be brought out into the open.

[[email protected]]

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:05:25 PM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> It is incredibly disappointing to see a talented young, motivated Jr pilot (should be treated like gold bullion by the US soaring community) treated like this by his own club. He is trying to gain enough experience to compete at an upcoming Jr Worlds. Then this... From what I know, he has taken this "club" glider to the Caesar Creek camp last year, and to the Seminole Lake glider camp this March. All on his own dime. The club "leadership?" has been telling him for many months that they are "working" on it in terms of getting him final approval all the while telling him it should not be a problem. Around 6 months I believe... And now here we are, 2 days before the first practice day and they finally take the time to tell him "sorry kid, but we won't allow you to go." This after fully knowing that all arrangements (hotel, airfare, work schedules, registration, etc) have been made. This is the kind of thing that makes a Jr Pilot take up another sport. Shameful. Thanks for posting this Gary. This is the kind of thing that needs to be brought out into the open.

Unfortunate but we don't have all the facts so castigating BRSS, who has been hugely supportive of JP, doesn't seem to me to be appropriate.
I've reached out to one possible supporter to see if he can help JP.
We need individuals to help these young people. I've done it several times.
Hopefully more people will look for these opportunities and jump in to help..
UH

[[email protected]]

When I read JP's note, I imagined something like "The club's insurance provider demanded a 'no contests in club equipment' rule in the club bylaws... and they aren't flexible about it"

Let's give the BRSS leadership the benefit of the doubt on this one. My guess is that they are both competent and supportive of JP in general, but hit an external obstacle they couldn't get around. It happens. It is unfortunate, not shameful.

Cheers,
-Mark Rebuck

[Sean F (F2)]

UH I will DEFINITELY help out with F2 once I get 7T insured and ready to go.. Count on that. That said, it is worth noting however that I have few youth pilots in MI or (for that matter) the entire great lakes region, unfortunately. It would be best if we had glider owners in the Jr pilots general area (or at his club who) helped out. At the end of the day there are VERY FEW young pilots in the USA with JP's dedication to becoming a contest soaring pilot.

But bottom line, this club's foot dragging, political crap has today absolutely screwed a promising young Jr Pilot (we have what, maybe 3-4 of them in the US right now? If that?) out of his first contest experience (completely planned, paid for including air-fare, etc) because they could not (or would not) make a decision and let the boy know the situation on his use of the glider in a timely manner.

There is no excuse for this kind of treatment of a preciously rare US Jr contest pilot. I'm sure they have been "supportive." But this contest flying has been the goal for JP all along. They ABSOLUTELY know/knew that at this "club." And here we are at the one yard line and they have essentially kicked JP and his family in the proverbial "balls" while saying (wink, wink) "sorry?" WTF? Are you kidding me?

There is a big difference between talking supportive and "being supportive!" Talk vs walk. If they were truly supportive they would not have waited until TWO DAYS before the contest to tell JP, "sorry pal, will get to this at some point in the future......wink, wink.... Maybe you can fly your RC glider this weekend instead? Give me a break people trying to defend this action by this club... They blew it. Perhaps even on purpose. 2 days before the event means almost no chance of making other arrangements. That's just awful.

This whole idea of supporting Jr. contest pilots in the US would stand a much higher chance of being successful if we had an official program thru the SSA that covered (some or all) insurance issues for the young pilots. I am willing to work on this if we can get enough pilots willing to do this kind of thing and make it worthwhile.

Oh, and by the way, I have just heard that a friend of JP has offered him his LS8! Fantastic and thank you whoever you are. You are my (our) hero today. JP just has to pay for the insurance which is >$500 to fly in this contest (thanks to his club) but I imagine would allow him to fly for a year if the owner was willing.

Imagine how awful this weekend would have been for this poor kid if someone had not stepped up last minute and bailed this kid out. Even though I am sure this last minute change, needing to learning a completely new glider which JP has never flown before, going to pick up the glider, travel arrangements, etc is going to be a tremendous hassle for both JP and that generous and outstanding glider owner, it is far better than the situation his OWN CLUB put him in this morning.

Inexcusable! Shame on this club for doing this to JP today. Absolutely shameful. Low as it gets.

Sean
F2


On Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:41:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:05:25 PM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
>
> > It is incredibly disappointing to see a talented young, motivated Jr pilot (should be treated like gold bullion by the US soaring community) treated like this by his own club. He is trying to gain enough experience to compete at an upcoming Jr Worlds. Then this... From what I know, he has taken this "club" glider to the Caesar Creek camp last year, and to the Seminole Lake glider camp this March. All on his own dime. The club "leadership?" has been telling him for many months that they are "working" on it in terms of getting him final approval all the while telling him it should not be a problem. Around 6 months I believe... And now here we are, 2 days before the first practice day and they finally take the time to tell him "sorry kid, but we won't allow you to go." This after fully knowing that all arrangements (hotel, airfare, work schedules, registration, etc) have been made. This is the kind of thing that makes a Jr Pilot take up another sport. Shameful.. Thanks for posting this Gary. This is the kind of thing that needs to be brought out into the open.
>
>
>
> Unfortunate but we don't have all the facts so castigating BRSS, who has been hugely supportive of JP, doesn't seem to me to be appropriate.
>
> I've reached out to one possible supporter to see if he can help JP.
>
> We need individuals to help these young people. I've done it several times.
>
> Hopefully more people will look for these opportunities and jump in to help.
>
> UH

[Sean F (F2)]

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:52:46 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> When I read JP's note, I imagined something like "The club's insurance provider demanded a 'no contests in club equipment' rule in the club bylaws... and they aren't flexible about it"
>
>
>
> Let's give the BRSS leadership the benefit of the doubt on this one. My guess is that they are both competent and supportive of JP in general, but hit an external obstacle they couldn't get around. It happens. It is unfortunate, not shameful.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Mark Rebuck

Mark, that's not it. Even if it was, they waited until 2 DAYS before the contest to get and/or deliver that answer to JP and his family?

Give me a break.

[son_of_flubber]

If JP were my kid, he would find this discussion to be extremely embarrassing. Help the kid find a glider now. Postpone 'Spanish Inquisition II' at least until after the race.

[Kevin Christner]

If I had a glider contest ready I would be happy to loan it to JP... Unfortunately my Libelle is in the middle of a panel renovation.

I have long believed it is necessary to start an organization to make gliders available to talented juniors. I think we could get a couple gliders donated as "retirements" from soaring increase.

Please contact me at first name dot last name at gmail if you are interested in starting such an organization. I would be willing to help lead this up and put in the the first cash donation.

2C

[JP Stewart]

Thank you for helping spread the word Gary. I would like to say that Peter Pfortner has come through with an offer to fly his LS8 and that is proceeding. I appreciate all the support that has come from the community and I assure you that the board actually does agree with the proposal to take the glider. The issue stems from some artifacts in the club operations rules that at this point the board cannot rectify without a membership vote. The good news: A glider has been located and I plan to go to the contest, awareness was created within the club to a rule that is now very very likely to be changed, and we have opened a dialogue of how to make gliders available to other Jr's who don't even have the availability that I look forward to in the future. Please continue the discussion on that note, 2C has a good starting point...

JP

[PapaFox]

Sean,
I understand how you feel, but you are not a BRSS member and should refrain from from accusing BRSS, it's Board and decisions they made based on our bylaws and operating rules. As Hank said, you do not have all the facts. Nor do I, but as a BRSS member I am standing up for our club.

I am confident that the issue will be resolved, maybe not in time for JP to fly our club's LS 4 or LS 6 in Ohio.
BRSS is committed to support young glider pilots and is encouraging and training XC and competition flying.

Until our rules are changed, watch out for JP flying PF, she runs and climbs like stink.

Peter
PF

[[email protected]]

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 6:35:40 PM UTC-4, PapaFox wrote:
> Sean, I understand how you feel, but you are not a BRSS member and should refrain from from accusing BRSS, it's Board and decisions they made based on our bylaws and operating rules. As Hank said, you do not have all the facts. Nor do I, but as a BRSS member I am standing up for our club. I am confident that the issue will be resolved, maybe not in time for JP to fly our club's LS 4 or LS 6 in Ohio. BRSS is committed to support young glider pilots and is encouraging and training XC and competition flying. Until our rules are changed, watch out for JP flying PF, she runs and climbs like stink.. Peter PF

BRSS members are covering the added cost of insurance so there will be no additional costs for JP.
Thanks Peter for continuing your excellent support of JP.
UH

[Dan Marotta]

Since when do people make plans and reservations to fly a contest when they
don't have a glider?

And why does that make anyone unwilling to loan his glider a bad guy? Why
doesn't the person making all the accusations offer HIS glider rather than
just his (usual) lip?


"Kevin Christner" > wrote in message
...
Sean,

Once again you make completely unfounded accusations without knowing any of
the facts surrounding the issue. Its a shame that we live in America and
not Great Britain, where the numerous people you libel could more easily sue
you.

2C

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 4:00:20 PM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> UH I will DEFINITELY help out with F2 once I get 7T insured and ready to
> go. Count on that. That said, it is worth noting however that I have few
> youth pilots in MI or (for that matter) the entire great lakes region,
> unfortunately. It would be best if we had glider owners in the Jr pilots
> general area (or at his club who) helped out. At the end of the day there
> are VERY FEW young pilots in the USA with JP's dedication to becoming a
> contest soaring pilot.
>
>
>
> But bottom line, this club's foot dragging, political crap has today
> absolutely screwed a promising young Jr Pilot (we have what, maybe 3-4 of
> them in the US right now? If that?) out of his first contest experience
> (completely planned, paid for including air-fare, etc) because they could
> not (or would not) make a decision and let the boy know the situation on
> his use of the glider in a timely manner.
>
>
>
> There is no excuse for this kind of treatment of a preciously rare US Jr
> contest pilot. I'm sure they have been "supportive." But this contest
> flying has been the goal for JP all along. They ABSOLUTELY know/knew that
> at this "club." And here we are at the one yard line and they have
> essentially kicked JP and his family in the proverbial "balls" while
> saying (wink, wink) "sorry?" WTF? Are you kidding me?
>
>
>
> There is a big difference between talking supportive and "being
> supportive!" Talk vs walk. If they were truly supportive they would not
> have waited until TWO DAYS before the contest to tell JP, "sorry pal, will
> get to this at some point in the future......wink, wink.... Maybe you can
> fly your RC glider this weekend instead? Give me a break people trying to
> defend this action by this club... They blew it. Perhaps even on
> purpose. 2 days before the event means almost no chance of making other
> arrangements. That's just awful.
>
>
>
> This whole idea of supporting Jr. contest pilots in the US would stand a
> much higher chance of being successful if we had an official program thru
> the SSA that covered (some or all) insurance issues for the young pilots.
> I am willing to work on this if we can get enough pilots willing to do
> this kind of thing and make it worthwhile.
>
>
>
> Oh, and by the way, I have just heard that a friend of JP has offered him
> his LS8! Fantastic and thank you whoever you are. You are my (our) hero
> today. JP just has to pay for the insurance which is >$500 to fly in this
> contest (thanks to his club) but I imagine would allow him to fly for a
> year if the owner was willing.
>
>
>
> Imagine how awful this weekend would have been for this poor kid if
> someone had not stepped up last minute and bailed this kid out. Even
> though I am sure this last minute change, needing to learning a completely
> new glider which JP has never flown before, going to pick up the glider,
> travel arrangements, etc is going to be a tremendous hassle for both JP
> and that generous and outstanding glider owner, it is far better than the
> situation his OWN CLUB put him in this morning.
>
>
>
> Inexcusable! Shame on this club for doing this to JP today. Absolutely
> shameful. Low as it gets.
>
>
>
> Sean
>
> F2
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:41:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:05:25 PM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > It is incredibly disappointing to see a talented young, motivated Jr
> > > pilot (should be treated like gold bullion by the US soaring
> > > community) treated like this by his own club. He is trying to gain
> > > enough experience to compete at an upcoming Jr Worlds. Then this...
> > > From what I know, he has taken this "club" glider to the Caesar Creek
> > > camp last year, and to the Seminole Lake glider camp this March. All
> > > on his own dime. The club "leadership?" has been telling him for many
> > > months that they are "working" on it in terms of getting him final
> > > approval all the while telling him it should not be a problem. Around
> > > 6 months I believe... And now here we are, 2 days before the first
> > > practice day and they finally take the time to tell him "sorry kid,
> > > but we won't allow you to go." This after fully knowing that all
> > > arrangements (hotel, airfare, work schedules, registration, etc) have
> > > been made. This is the kind of thing that makes a Jr Pilot take up
> > > another sport. Shameful. Thanks for posting this Gary. This is the
> > > kind of thing that needs to be brought out into the open.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Unfortunate but we don't have all the facts so castigating BRSS, who has
> > been hugely supportive of JP, doesn't seem to me to be appropriate.
>
> >
>
> > I've reached out to one possible supporter to see if he can help JP.
>
> >
>
> > We need individuals to help these young people. I've done it several
> > times.
>
> >
>
> > Hopefully more people will look for these opportunities and jump in to
> > help.
>
> >
>
> > UH

[JP Stewart]

Dan, there is back story to this that I chose not to share (with respect to your first comment). If you would like more info, I would be glad to answer your questions in a private manner.

JP

[Dan Marotta]

Thanks for the offer, JP, but my real problem is being so tired of the
endless tirades of a certain individual who wants to blame the world for all
of his perceived injustices. My intent (hopeless, I know) is to get him to
(once and for all) put up or shut up.


"Jp Stewart" > wrote in message
...
> Dan, there is back story to this that I chose not to share (with respect
> to your first comment). If you would like more info, I would be glad to
> answer your questions in a private manner.
>
> JP

[Sean F (F2)]

So, despite New Castles failure (sorry, but its true...) to support JP with the LS6 glider for this contest (something I hope does not happen again) JP was able to use a fine gentlemans LS8 and (wait for it...) finish in...........

SECOND PLACE TO MANFRED FRANKE BY 11 POINTS INCLUDING A 10 POINT FINISH PENALTY ON THE FINAL DAY WHICH HE WON BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN.

He was second the two previous days.

That's right folks, a 2-2-1 and nearly winning his first ever contest. Very difficult conditions with many land outs, etc.

JP is an extraordinarily talented pilot and is highly mature for is 18 yr old age. That was HIS FIRST EVER CONTEST.

OH AND BY THE WAY, IF YOUR WONDERING HOW ALL THESE YOUNG PILOTS ARE DOING TO WELL, SO QUICKLY, THEY ALL FLY CONDOR REGUARLY TO TRAIN FOR CONTEST SOARING. Hmmmmm?

Imagine if JP was unable to find a way to attend this planned first ever contest and lost this opportunity because his club waited until 3 days before the contest to tell him that he was unable to use the glider he was scheduled to use for basically 12 months since last years prerequisite attendance of the Ceasar Creek Soaring Camp.

Seriously. Think about that for a moment.

Imagine that he might have won this event if he had been able to use the glider he was familiar with.

Also kudos to Daniel Sahzin who was sitting in third place in sports class after 2 days in his borrowed 126. Another truly outstanding US Jr pilot.

Two amazingly talented US Jr Pilots (can you believe it!!!) who deserve all the support their clubs, the SSA and the sport in general here in the USA can offer them. Lets develop them, not stand in their way. These kids should be at many contest over the next years, developing their skills with the goal of a Jr world championship and beyond.

Also, huge thanks to Peter for loaning JP this glider. Absolutely outstanding of him to help JP in this way.

Sean
F2

[[email protected]]

On Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:12:39 AM UTC-5, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> So, despite New Castles failure (sorry, but its true...) to support JP with the LS6 glider for this contest (something I hope does not happen again) JP was able to use a fine gentlemans LS8 and (wait for it...) finish in...........
>
>
>
> SECOND PLACE TO MANFRED FRANKE BY 11 POINTS INCLUDING A 10 POINT FINISH PENALTY ON THE FINAL DAY WHICH HE WON BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN.
>
>
>
> He was second the two previous days.
>
>
>
> That's right folks, a 2-2-1 and nearly winning his first ever contest. Very difficult conditions with many land outs, etc.
>
>
>
> JP is an extraordinarily talented pilot and is highly mature for is 18 yr old age. That was HIS FIRST EVER CONTEST.
>
>
>
> OH AND BY THE WAY, IF YOUR WONDERING HOW ALL THESE YOUNG PILOTS ARE DOING TO WELL, SO QUICKLY, THEY ALL FLY CONDOR REGUARLY TO TRAIN FOR CONTEST SOARING. Hmmmmm?
>
>
>
> Imagine if JP was unable to find a way to attend this planned first ever contest and lost this opportunity because his club waited until 3 days before the contest to tell him that he was unable to use the glider he was scheduled to use for basically 12 months since last years prerequisite attendance of the Ceasar Creek Soaring Camp.
>
>
>
> Seriously. Think about that for a moment.
>
>
>
> Imagine that he might have won this event if he had been able to use the glider he was familiar with.
>
>
>
> Also kudos to Daniel Sahzin who was sitting in third place in sports class after 2 days in his borrowed 126. Another truly outstanding US Jr pilot.
>
>
>
> Two amazingly talented US Jr Pilots (can you believe it!!!) who deserve all the support their clubs, the SSA and the sport in general here in the USA can offer them. Lets develop them, not stand in their way. These kids should be at many contest over the next years, developing their skills with the goal of a Jr world championship and beyond.
>
>
>
> Also, huge thanks to Peter for loaning JP this glider. Absolutely outstanding of him to help JP in this way.
>
>
>
> Sean
>
> F2

Sean,
After meeting you for the first time in person and talking to you at the CCSC (Region 6 S) contest last week, I was hoping you might find the courage to apologize here for the comments you made on a widely beloved glider club you clearly know nothing about. Instead, you decide to pile on and call the club's actions a failure. I explained to you that within less than 24 hours of JP's initial note (to the BRSS club members only, a note that was hijacked and posted here) this became an entire non-event through Peter's generous offer and the donation of more than sufficient funds to put JP on Peter's insurance policy. Your insensitivity on this forum is remarkable.
Herb

[Sean F (F2)]

Herb it was a pleasure meeting you. Your opinions, again, are noted. Obviously, we see is event very differently. ;-).

As we spoke the other night around the campfire, I simply focus on the facts. Well meaning for not, this club let this young pilot down. 10 days ago he had no glider, no options and little support 3 days prior to his first contest. I find that inexcusable and I hope other clubs learn from this poor management and find ways not to repeat such behavior and "ball dropping....."

Best,

Sean
F2

[Don Johnstone[_4_]]

At 14:49 08 June 2013, Dan Marotta wrote:
>Thanks for the offer, JP, but my real problem is being so tired of the
>endless tirades of a certain individual who wants to blame the world for
>all
>of his perceived injustices. My intent (hopeless, I know) is to get him
to
>
>(once and for all) put up or shut up.
>
I can now see why you cling so tightly to your right to bear arms over
there.
Stress, the confusion caused when the brain overides the body's basic
desire to kick the living **** out of some @rsehole who desperately needs
it.

[[email protected]]

On Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:41:09 PM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> Herb it was a pleasure meeting you. Your opinions, again, are noted. Obviously, we see is event very differently. ;-).
>
>
>
> As we spoke the other night around the campfire, I simply focus on the facts. Well meaning for not, this club let this young pilot down. 10 days ago he had no glider, no options and little support 3 days prior to his first contest. I find that inexcusable and I hope other clubs learn from this poor management and find ways not to repeat such behavior and "ball dropping...."
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Sean
>
> F2

Sean, your praise of JP Stewart is most deserved and well earned by JP. Remarkable for a "first timer" to enjoy such success. Great job JP.

However, with due respect Sean, you are full of COW PILES regarding your damnation of the Blue Ridge Soaring Society.

First, who do you think nurtured JP from a fledgling, provided a soaring site with equipment and training basically at no charge, and opened a portal for JP to grow and thrive?

Secondly, the integrity of a club's structure comes first. No one club member is ever worth circumventing written club policy...right or wrong as the policy may be. I do not know the "conditions" of this situation but I respect BRSS's wisdom to realize there was some sort of endangering issue and it was not in the best interest of the organization to proceed. I am also confident the BRSS will correct the SNAFU and continue to support and encourage youth growth in our beloved sport.

We all agree you are entitled to your opinion but all who really know the BRSS would agree you have stepped way out of bounds and your apology is expected without delay. If not an apology, please refrain from further comments regarding BRSS's operation of which you know absolutely nothing about.

ben

[Walt Connelly]

;840026']At 14:49 08 June 2013, Dan Marotta wrote:
Thanks for the offer, JP, but my real problem is being so tired of the
endless tirades of a certain individual who wants to blame the world for
all
of his perceived injustices. My intent (hopeless, I know) is to get him
to

(once and for all) put up or shut up.

I can now see why you cling so tightly to your right to bear arms over
there.
Stress, the confusion caused when the brain overides the body's basic
desire to kick the living **** out of some @rsehole who desperately needs
it.

Don,

We "cling" tightly to our right to keep and bear arms because we value the preservation of a free state. An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject. Our founding fathers recognized a need and decided to insure that need would not be infringed. I personally would like to see some adequate training in safety and marksmanship before one would be allowed possession of a firearm. Just my humble opinion.

Walt

[Kevin Christner]

Perhaps and appropriate apology from Sean could be a large donation to the US Junior Soaring team...

2C

[Gary Adams]

I explained to you that within less than 24 hours of JP's initial note (to the BRSS club members only, a note that was hijacked and posted here) this became an entire non-event through Peter's generous offer and the donation of more than sufficient funds to put JP on Peter's insurance policy. Your insensitivity on this forum is remarkable.
>
> Herb

Herb,

For the record, the note was NOT "hijacked" as you state, but sent to me personally by JP to spread the word in the community that he needed a glider. It was posted here and on a couple Face Book pages that I help administer, at his request.

What an amazing guy JP is.....humble and eager to learn on the ground and a darn good pilot in the air. It was a pleasure to fly with him last week.

Gary 'GB'

[Sean F (F2)]

Lets just be happy that JPs opportunity to fly at CCSCs contest was not destroyed by his clubs poor management of this situation. I am sure they all meant well and "did their best" to accomidate JP in authorizing, voting, etc in a timely manner. Unfortunately the final result fell a few hundred miles short of the airport. He is STILL not able to fly the LS6 at a contest....

JPs borrowed LS8 is in my hangar in Ionia and he is able to get in another contest next week this summer. Again, no LS6 yet unfortunately ;-). Even though he would much prefer to fly it.

Why after this screw up has the club not acted and made the LS6 available? Hmmm? You all have had 2 weeks....

JP and I have become VERY good friends flying Condor competitions almost nightly all winter for the past couple years. We have all improved substantially and it clearly shows. I have witnessed JPs improvements in this arena and see a direct relationship to his sound decision making in last weeks contest to his great effort in Condor. JP also contacted me shortly after hearing the news that he had had the LS6 pulled from him and asked if there was anything Incould think in order to find him another ship. He can fly mine anytime he needs it although he is a bit too tall for a Lak17a.

I have always done anything I could to encourage JP and praise his great progress. His flying with the John Goods instruction at the Seminole Jr camp this March was becoming impressive already. He, along with Daniel Sahzin, are bright stars in the future of US international soaring compeitition and they both deserve to be supported fully and intensely.

As I understand it, Daniel is still unable to fly his clubs LS4 at contests as well. Interesting. Sounds like a pattern to me...

Anyhow, best of luck everyone. I have nothing further to add for now.

Sean
F2

[Sean F (F2)]

Indeed Gary, indeed. JP is a great young man! And a hell of a glider pilot.

[[email protected]]

"As I understand it, Daniel is still unable to fly his clubs LS4 at contests as well."

This is a misunderstanding. Aero Club Albatross has been very lenient and supportive of my use of their equipment, all which I greatly appreciate. They let me fly Sweet Red, the club 1-26 at multiple events, including the Sports Class Nationals at Mifflin. I am sure once I am fully qualified and the board approves me to do so, that they will allow me to use the LS4 as well.. A great deal given that the full junior flying membership is $89 a year so little wrong can be said in terms of ACA's continued support of juniors.

Best Regards,
Daniel Sazhin

[[email protected]]

Thanks for clarifying, Daniel. Just another example of some poster here playing fast and loose with the 'facts', especially when they fit their agenda.

[Papa3[_2_]]

On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:26:54 AM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
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No Sean, you misunderstand. As you often do. And instead of establishing the facts, you express your outrage and dismay in a public forum. In the process, you convert people like me who were willing to give you the benefit of the doubt in the past into folks who have just about had enough of your crap. You're truly one for the record books - you've made me miss Lennie the Lurker.

Erik Mann
P3

[Sean F (F2)]

Daniel, who I arranged an internship for the summer in Ionia (where he is today), is a friend. We have had numerous us conversations on this LS4 topic. All I will say is if Daniel had access to this LS4, he'd be flying it in Ionia next week. He may be a little afraid of further upsetting his club members who are already spinning in a political furball.

This thread is about facts. The facts are that a glider was pulled from a outstanding Jr pilot 3 days before the contest began, nearly costing him a great experience. PERIOD.

Direct your embarrassment and anger that I have called this club out towards me all you want. You hate the I am spot on, you know it and I know it.

Support these pilots and stop screwing them. Thanks!

Where are the kids at contests folks? Jumping thru hoops until they stay home and play Xbox I guess...

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:15:48 PM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> Daniel, who I arranged an internship for the summer in Ionia (where he is today), is a friend. We have had numerous us conversations on this LS4 topic. All I will say is if Daniel had access to this LS4, he'd be flying it in Ionia next week. He may be a little afraid of further upsetting his club members who are already spinning in a political furball. This thread is about facts. The facts are that a glider was pulled from a outstanding Jr pilot 3 days before the contest began, nearly costing him a great experience. PERIOD. Direct your embarrassment and anger that I have called this club out towards me all you want. You hate the I am spot on, you know it and I know it. Support these pilots and stop screwing them. Thanks! Where are the kids at contests folks? Jumping thru hoops until they stay home and play Xbox I guess...

Kids will be at Wurtsboro flying with me. 5 this year, fully subscibed. 2 of them have already flown day wins. When not doing that, they will be crewing or flying their new Libelle. Not all are playing video games.
We'll do the same at Elmira.
More energy needs to go into doing something constructive.
UH

[Tony[_5_]]

> Where are the kids at contests folks? Jumping thru hoops until they stay home and play Xbox I guess...

The under 30 crowd been doing very well at contests this year, and (I think) will continue to this season. From what I can recall, Boyd, Daniel, JP, Mike Westbrook, and myself have all found the tops of the scoresheets. I have not heard from any juniors this year that wanted to fly a contest but couldn't due to lack of support from their local clubs/pilots/parents/friends.

Tony Condon
SSA Youth Committee Chair
YYY, K

[Sean F (F2)]

Great post UH. Well said. I agree. You've done alot with kids, need more like that. Not just parents.

I tried to get Daniel into F2 this week for R6N but unfortunately his glass time is very low. Too low to insure at present. He has not flown in the LS4 yet at Blairstown. Not a single flight yet as I understand it... I hope he can get his time up for next year! 126 attack again! Maybe more of us should be flying those things?

JP was/is welcome to fly F2 (Lak17a) but he got his LS8 again (awesome!) for Ionia and he fits better in that ship at 6'2 or so.

Everyone should try to sponsor and help some kid. Without that out sport will be half what it is today in 15 years in the US as many age out.

Our gliders spend way too much time in the trailer and clubs with club or even HP ships are mired in bureaucratic issues regarding allowing pilots (especially young ones) to take them to contests even though many of the members have the right idea and are trying to make that happen.

This is about the kids in contest soaring. Something so painfully absent its embarrasing. even sailing has massively better demographics. Ill do my part. It's desperately needed that the entire US soaring community begins reprioritizing its objectives to grow this segment rapidly and significantly. Insurance, ships, funding, etc. recognition for the great owners and clubs who provide ships...

I'm bowing out if this thread as it has been ground over far too long. I think I made my point perfectly clear even though it is a sensitive issue for many.

Sean

[Papa3[_2_]]

On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:15:48 PM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> Daniel, who I arranged an internship for the summer in Ionia (where he is today), is a friend. We have had numerous us conversations on this LS4 topic. All I will say is if Daniel had access to this LS4, he'd be flying it in Ionia next week. He may be a little afraid of further upsetting his club members who are already spinning in a political furball.
>

So Sean, Daniel writes above that ACA has been incredibly supportive of all of his soaring needs. Yet you persist in implying that the club has somehow withheld use of the LS4. Well, I know you're not one to let facts get in the way of your opinions, but let's try these on for size:

- Daniel has been offered (encouraged actually) to take higher performance ships to races. Starting with the 1-34R for Mifflin. He declined for his own legitimate reasons.
- Two years ago, the club purchased a Grob Twin Astir to begin the transition to higher performance ships. The ship was refinished with nearly 600 hours of club labor (including about 200 of mine). It is available to all club members to use in building high-performance glass time. Daniel has chosen to stick with the 1-26 for the most part.
- FWIW, I took Daniel on several of his first long cross country ridge flight in my own Grob Twin; picked up the tows on those.
- The LS4 was purchased a couple of months ago. The club went through its own procedures to get the ship insured, put processes in place to ensure safe assembly, etc. So, it hasn't been available to ANYONE until earlier a couple of weeks ago.

So, as even you will have to admit, there's not some grand conspiracy to keep a promising young pilot out of the LS4. Just the opposite - ACA has backed Daniel to the hilt on everything he has wanted to do.

Yet, somehow, you want to make us the bad guys.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. Maybe you'll apologize?

Erik Mann
P3

[Sean F (F2)]

I sincerely apologize to everyone and anyone who feels singled out or hurt by my over direct and pointed comments. I was wrong for doing so.

It was my intent to be general. What I did not expect was people feeling so singled out. That was not my intention. Again, no excuse.

As I am good friends with JP, I became upset when he became upset after hearing this news. No excuse but its what happened for what it's worth...

I think both these young men have earned our respect. I look forward to seeing them enjoy the full support of their clubs as they continue to grow into the sport of contest soaring.

And to the other young pilots who are out there somewhere, I look forward to watching you grow into this sport as well!

Best,

Sean
F2

[[email protected]]

Thanks Erik,

Interestingly, I had about the same kind of message for The One I Will Not Name at Ceasar Creek. Explained to him how BRSS members (he didn't even know what that stands for) had resolved the JP situation within hours of JP asking for a glider. Being quite meek and agreeable in person, The One... appeared to be getting the message - I was even hopeful he'd apologize here. However, his RAS personality was back the next day, bashing the NC club yet again and then moving on to spread dirt on your club.
Hope this is the last time we hear from him but not holding my breath.

Herb

[Sean F (F2)]

Herb,

You were right then and now. Sorry for not getting the message the first time.

Again, sincere appoligies. I was wrong.

With respect,

Sean
F2

[Papa3[_2_]]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:52:02 AM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> I sincerely apologize to everyone and anyone who feels singled out or hurt by my over direct and pointed comments. I was wrong for doing so.
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Thanks. Feeling much better. We're all on the same side here in the grand scheme of things. Let's go fly.

P3

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:52:02 AM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> I sincerely apologize to everyone and anyone who feels singled out or hurt by my over direct and pointed comments. I was wrong for doing so.
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> It was my intent to be general. What I did not expect was people feeling so singled out. That was not my intention. Again, no excuse.
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Sean...your above apology is a step in the right direction, yet incomplete. For the record "everyone and anyone" are not the primary victims of your slurs; it is the Blue Ridge Soaring Society and the Aero Club Albatross. If your goal is to "clean the slate", then a direct apology to BRSS and ACA should follow forthwith. As it is said, "if its worth doing, do it correctly"..

ben

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:05:26 AM UTC-5, Papa3 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:52:02 AM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
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Same here, let's forget about this whole affair, can someone delete this thread, please?
Thanks for the above notes, Sean!
Herb

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:05:26 AM UTC-5, Papa3 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:52:02 AM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
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[Sean F (F2)]

I apologize to the blue ridge soaring society for the way to direct statements about the LS6 situation. You've produced a great kid in JP. Although I am terrified of your flying area, I hope to fly there one day. I hear the contests are grand there.

Also, sincere apologies to Blairstown as well. I understand Daniel has chosen not to fly the LS4 for his own reasons!

JP and Daniel and I are always talking so we have discussed this as well and I have apologized to them for bringing so much unwanted attention.

Best,

Sean

[Sean F (F2)]

And sincere apologies to aero club albatross. Not sure which one that is ( Blairstown?). But regardless I have heard nothing but good things about so many if the east coast glider clubs including yours! Happy flying and good luck!

Sean

[Nigel Pocock[_2_]]

Thread drift, sorry
What experience do clubs require for pilots to fly glass/ competitions in
club aircraft?
From memory our club is a test flight in 2 seater glass and:-
Grob 102 20 hrs and instructors approval.
Discus 50 hrs of which 20 must have been in G102 or equivilent +
instructors approval.
There are further requirements before you can take them cross country.
Cross country are allowed to enter them in competitions at normal club
rates subject to CFIs approval and availability.

[[email protected]]

Well done Sean...lets move on.

[Sean F (F2)]

Nigel,

For my insurance purposes for Daniel on my Lak, they wanted to see approximately 50 hours in a grob103 or equivalent high/moderate performance ship.

I think that makes sense although it seems a little high for a Jr pilot who shows a ton of talent and has flown 500km in a 126.

Maybe 20 or 30 would be more reasonable.

Sean

[[email protected]]

FOR THE RECORD:

The Blue Ridge Soaring Society in New Castle was EXTREMELY supportive to me when I was a teenager. Lanier & Thecla Frantz run a wonderful soaring club that is very supportive to youth. The members, and friends of BRSS are also equally great.

As a teenager without any direction and totally hopeless, they personally took me under their wing and helped me in ways I will never forget. I learned to fly for virtually next to nothing. And now years later, I'm flying as an airline pilot for JetBlue, married, kids and I now own a slick sailplane. This would never have happened if it wasn't for BRSS supporting youth.

There have been others just like me that BRSS turned out as engineers, military pilots, etc, and there will be more. Colin Anderson is on his way up now and his life would be drastically different if it wasn't for BRSS.

I'd say if a club lets you use their pristine LS-6 for Ceaser Creek & Seminole Lake for absolute FREE, that's pretty remarkable.

JP - You can fly my LS-1f anytime you want! Borrow my truck to tow it if you need, I've got a third car.

And as for everyone of you that has not personally stopped by New Castle to go soaring and enjoy the friendliness, you are really missing out. It completely trumps just about any club in the USA. See ya there!

[Sean F (F2)]

FYI...

JP still does not have approval to fly the LS6 at contests...WOW this has been dragging out a long time now. I know JP has been invited to the Seniors again. He is still unsure about being able to use a glider I imagine. Poor guy.

Apparently a meeting is coming up on this...I sure hope it FINALY passes

Sean

[Sean F (F2)]

FYI...

JP still does not have approval to fly the LS6 at contests...WOW this has been dragging out a long time now. I know JP has been invited to the Seniors again. He is still unsure about being able to use a glider I imagine. Poor guy.

Apparently a meeting is coming up on this...I sure hope it FINALLY passes. Sure would be a shame to have it "not pass..."

Sean

[Tony[_5_]]

On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:42:12 PM UTC-6, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> FYI...
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Considering that I just read in Soaring about JP deservedly earning the Kolstad this year, I think he has few years before he's ready to compete in the Seniors :D

[Kevin Christner]

Why do you feel the need to jump in on decisions that have nothing to do with you. Many juniors would be lucky to have access to an LS-6 at all. Many more would not be allowed to take the glider away from the airport. My understanding is that the club does not allow any pilots to fly the LS6 at contests. Its not like he's being singled out.

As you stated above "I apologize to the blue ridge soaring society for the way to direct statements about the LS6 situation. You've produced a great kid in JP. Although I am terrified of your flying area, I hope to fly there one day. I hear the contests are grand there." So why bring this up again?

Others have stepped up to the plate to allow him to borrow their gliders. Get over this. Its none of your business.

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> JP still does not have approval to fly the LS6 at contests...WOW this has been dragging out a long time now. I know JP has been invited to the Seniors again. He is still unsure about being able to use a glider I imagine. Poor guy.
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[Sean F (F2)]

Because its almost one year later and the same problem exists. This was going to be solved last spring...no?

On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:16:44 PM UTC-5, Kevin Christner wrote:
> Why do you feel the need to jump in on decisions that have nothing to do with you. Many juniors would be lucky to have access to an LS-6 at all. Many more would not be allowed to take the glider away from the airport. My understanding is that the club does not allow any pilots to fly the LS6 at contests. Its not like he's being singled out.
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> As you stated above "I apologize to the blue ridge soaring society for the way to direct statements about the LS6 situation. You've produced a great kid in JP. Although I am terrified of your flying area, I hope to fly there one day. I hear the contests are grand there." So why bring this up again?
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[joesimmers[_2_]]

Its not a problem, its a "club" glider.

This means the club owns it and you demanding the club give
it up for personal contest use keeping it away from the club
that owns it is becoming ridiculous.

You have so much money and so many gliders why is JP not flying
a spare 29 you have sitting around?

I think you owe Blue Ridge "another apology" for bringing this up again.

[Sean F (F2)]

What a joke. Blue Ridge owes JP STEWART an apology for wasting his time and taking over a YEAR to solve this problem. This same club found a way to buy themselves a brand new $140,000 ASK21 (with no trailer I might add), no? But they cant get to a simple vote on allowing JP (or any such member) to take a $35,000 LS6 to a glider contest IN OVER A YEAR? JP already took the same "club" LS6 glider to Seminole, FL for a contest camp with 30 gliders last winter. Yet still no vote? Pathetic. Club politics at its worst. No wonder so many pilots prefer dealing with commercial operations.

Does your club support this kid or not? We will see what this club truly is after your upcoming meeting, won't we?

And we wonder why European Soaring is so far ahead of US soaring. The answer is the attitude of many of these "club" members about developing their own club member jr. pilots....yet the rapidly approve blowing 140k on another (thats right, a second) brand new ASK21.


On Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:44:07 AM UTC-5, joesimmers wrote:
> Its not a problem, its a "club" glider.
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[Andrew Brayer]

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 9:54:50 AM UTC-5, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> What a joke. Blue Ridge owes JP STEWART an apology for wasting his time and taking over a YEAR to solve this problem. This same club found a way to buy themselves a brand new $140,000 ASK21 (with no trailer I might add), no? But they cant get to a simple vote on allowing JP (or any such member) to take a $35,000 LS6 to a glider contest IN OVER A YEAR? JP already took the same "club" LS6 glider to Seminole, FL for a contest camp with 30 gliders last winter. Yet still no vote? Pathetic. Club politics at its worst. No wonder so many pilots prefer dealing with commercial operations.
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i hate to jump into this ****-storm for those of you familiar with Karpman's triangle. But JP managed to borrow gliders and flew some contests this year with success. let's move on... I daresay that he has.

[Kevin Christner]

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 9:54:50 AM UTC-5, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> What a joke. Blue Ridge owes JP STEWART an apology for wasting his time and taking over a YEAR to solve this problem. This same club found a way to buy themselves a brand new $140,000 ASK21 (with no trailer I might add), no? But they cant get to a simple vote on allowing JP (or any such member) to take a $35,000 LS6 to a glider contest IN OVER A YEAR? JP already took the same "club" LS6 glider to Seminole, FL for a contest camp with 30 gliders last winter. Yet still no vote? Pathetic. Club politics at its worst. No wonder so many pilots prefer dealing with commercial operations.


What if the club voted to not allow the glider to be used for contest purposes at all? Would this be okay?

>
> Does your club support this kid or not? We will see what this club truly is after your upcoming meeting, won't we?

Actually they let him fly the glider on a regular basis and take it to XC camps. What is your definition of support?


> And we wonder why European Soaring is so far ahead of US soaring. The answer is the attitude of many of these "club" members about developing their own club member jr. pilots....yet the rapidly approve blowing 140k on another (thats right, a second) brand new ASK21.

I'm glad you think a club updating its fleet to more modern gliders is "blowing" money. They probably consider it a wise investment.

You didn't answer Joe. If you are so concerned step up to the plate and buy him an LS6. We might even regain some (although it will be a very small) amount of respect for you.

[JP Stewart]

All,
The club's annual meeting is 1 week from now and the board is expected to make a recommendation on a rule change for the membership's approval. I really appreciate everyone's support (and Sean's enthusiasm on behalf of Jrs) but we have to play this process out properly and in-accordance with the by-laws. As for the new glider, though I would have loved it if we bought a higher performance 2 seat glider with that money, ultimately I consider it a step in the right direction that has been in the works long before I came here. I owe a lot to BRSS and the soaring community as a whole, and the resiliency of the community resulted in me finding a great glider and flying 3 contests in it last year.

Thank you,
JP (Is it summer yet?) Stewart

[Bob Whelan[_3_]]

> What a joke. Blue Ridge owes JP STEWART an apology for wasting his time
> and taking over a YEAR to solve this problem. This same club found a way
> to buy themselves a brand new $140,000 ASK21 (with no trailer I might add),
> no? But they cant get to a simple vote on allowing JP (or any such member)
> to take a $35,000 LS6 to a glider contest IN OVER A YEAR? JP already took
> the same "club" LS6 glider to Seminole, FL for a contest camp with 30
> gliders last winter. Yet still no vote? Pathetic. Club politics at its
> worst. No wonder so many pilots prefer dealing with commercial
> operations.
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> Does your club support this kid or not? We will see what this club truly
> is after your upcoming meeting, won't we?
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> And we wonder why European Soaring is so far ahead of US soaring. The
> answer is the attitude of many of these "club" members about developing
> their own club member jr. pilots....yet the rapidly approve blowing 140k on
> another (thats right, a second) brand new ASK21.
>

Maybe -17F (and -21F yesterday) is affecting my judgment, but...sheesh.

The only dog I have in this (really, it shouldn't even be "necessary")
disagreement, is the continuing existence, bettering and growth of soaring as
a whole as worthy goals.

That noted, have I missed the tipping point where in America we're no longer
allowed to agree to disagree civilly, without casting aspersions (intentional
or otherwise), on those with whom we disagree? Or the recognition that
approximately bazillions of human interactions have bazillions to the nth
power of ways to skin the cat? Just wondering...

Bob - have my meds frozen? - W.

P.S. I'll go away permanently from this topic, now...

[[email protected]]

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 8:54:50 AM UTC-6, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> What a joke. Blue Ridge owes JP STEWART an apology for wasting his time and taking over a YEAR to solve this problem. This same club found a way to buy themselves a brand new $140,000 ASK21 (with no trailer I might add), no? But they cant get to a simple vote on allowing JP (or any such member) to take a $35,000 LS6 to a glider contest IN OVER A YEAR? JP already took the same "club" LS6 glider to Seminole, FL for a contest camp with 30 gliders last winter. Yet still no vote? Pathetic. Club politics at its worst. No wonder so many pilots prefer dealing with commercial operations.
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Sean,
As a member of this horrible organization BRSS, I have an idea how the club can really live up to the image you are painting. We shouldn't be content in suppressing the youth members and denying them their god-given right for any glider they want at any time. At the upcoming annual meeting I will move that anyone slandering the club publicly will be Verboten from launching from our lovely airstrip, also known as New Castle International (have you seen pictures? It's really beautiful!).

I suggest you go flying over the stinkin' MI prairie, no New Castle mountains for YOU.
The Soaring Soup Nazi

PS: even JP seems to be embarrassed by the 'help' he gets from you.

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 8:18:03 AM UTC-8, Jp Stewart wrote:
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Juxtaposed with Sean's posts, I think that JP's fulfills the technical definition of irony. Well played!

JP, I wish I had a glider to lend you. Drop me a note after Midlothian.

Thanks, Bob K.

[Kevin Christner]

Herb,

Perhaps the club could approve the use of the LS-6 at any contest not attended by Sean. I think this would be an important safety item as he is clearly bipolar and therefore is a danger to pilots and equipment anywhere he flies.

It would also put him in quite the pickle. Go to the contest and exclude JP or stay home. Lets see how he handles that one...

2C

> Sean,
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> As a member of this horrible organization BRSS, I have an idea how the club can really live up to the image you are painting. We shouldn't be content in suppressing the youth members and denying them their god-given right for any glider they want at any time. At the upcoming annual meeting I will move that anyone slandering the club publicly will be Verboten from launching from our lovely airstrip, also known as New Castle International (have you seen pictures? It's really beautiful!).
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